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"Well, shit."
 
   LAST EDITED ON Feb-28-16 AT 11:54 PM (EST)
 
In a moment you'll see what I did there.

The drain line connecting my house to the town sewer blocked up yesterday (or, well, I discovered it was blocked yesterday, which probably means it had been blocked and filling up for some time before it actually backed all the way to the house). This caused an interesting situation wherein when I flushed the toilet, it came out of the floor drain in the middle of the basement instead of going out of the house. This was not ideal on a lot of levels, so I called around for a bunch of the afternoon trying to find a plumber who could come and sort it out. I couldn't get any takers, but eventually found one who agreed to come this morning.

So this morning, as arranged, he arrived, went down into the basement, did a lot of very noisy things for an hour and a half or so, and then called up from the base of the stairs that he couldn't clear it. He thought he had cleared it, he said, but then it had stopped up again harder than before. He thought maybe the problem was with the town's line. Anyway, that'll be $500.

An hour or so later, while I was surfing the Internet trying to work out what my next line of attack was, it slowly dawned on me that there was a... smell.

So I went down to the basement to investigate...

... and found the entire thing awash in sewage. The guy was trying to clear the line with a high-pressure water jet, and when it kept not working he just kept at it, flushing everything that was in the blocked line back into the house. And it was blocked, so that would be like a week or two's worth of everything that came out of the house. (At least it's all mine, but really, a hundred gallons of your own shit is only relatively better than a hundred gallons of your neighbors'.) Then, based on his description of events as recorded on the invoice, I think he got his jet nozzle caught on the flange where the line connects to the main, and in the process of trying to free it he collapsed the whole line.

Turns out a high-pressure water jet isn't the right tool to try and clear a blockage in an 80-year-old clay pipe sanitary drain.

Who could have known.

So, to recap: Today I paid a dude $500 to come and convert a moderate-to-severe problem into a catastrophic one and render my house unsafe to inhabit. I realize that as a culture we tend to reward failure these days, but fucking hell, man.

It's actually a bit fuckeder than that, because there are now three catastrophic problems where there was one fairly bad one. Problem one: the basement is full of shit. Problem two: the basement is full of junk (old furniture, pieces of lumber, boxes of fuck knows what), all of which is now marinating in shit. Problem three: the sewer line, once blocked, is now completely destroyed, which means it will have to be dug up, from the house clear out to the street, and replaced.

No one will come and deal with problem three (which will cost thousands if not tens of thousands of dollars to fix) until problems one and two are dealt with. Problem one, I am edifyingly warned by the homeowners' insurance people, might well recur in the course of repairing problem three, and the insurers are not certain they wish to pay for two hazmat cleanups. However, no one will, quite reasonably I should think, attempt a fix for problem three until there has been one.

Have you ever tried to arrange for the cleanup of a large quantity of biohazardous waste on a Sunday afternoon in February in northern Maine?

Spoiler: You can't.

I'm now in a hotel about a mile from my abandoned house, wondering vaguely whether, by the time anyone can actually be found who will bother to come and take care of this problem, everything I own will smell like shit forever.

At least all that junk in the basement wasn't actually mine, because I tell you what, it's all fucked.

Jesus H. Christ.

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  Subject     Author     Message Date     ID  
  RE: Well, shit. BeardedFerret Feb-28-16 1
     RE: Well, shit. Gryphonadmin Feb-28-16 3
         RE: Well, shit. VoidRandom Feb-29-16 6
  RE: Well, shit. eriktown Feb-28-16 2
  RE: Well, shit. McFortner Feb-29-16 4
  RE: Well, shit. Matrix Dragon Feb-29-16 5
  RE: Well, shit. Terminus Est Feb-29-16 7
  RE: Well, shit. Malkarris Feb-29-16 8
  RE: Well, shit. BLUE Feb-29-16 9
     RE: Well, shit. Sofaspud Feb-29-16 10
         RE: Well, shit. BLUE Feb-29-16 11
         RE: Well, shit. Verbena Feb-29-16 12
  RE: Well, shit. Gryphonadmin Feb-29-16 13
     RE: Well, shit. Offsides Feb-29-16 15
         RE: Well, shit. Gryphonadmin Feb-29-16 16
     RE: Well, shit. Peter Eng Mar-01-16 19
  RE: Well, shit. Peter Eng Feb-29-16 14
     RE: Well, shit. TsukaiStarburst Mar-01-16 17
         RE: Well, shit. zojojojo Mar-01-16 18
  RE: Well, shit. TheOtherSean Mar-01-16 20
  Update 2 Gryphonadmin Mar-02-16 21
     RE: Update 2 Sofaspud Mar-02-16 22
  Update 3 Gryphonadmin Mar-04-16 23
     RE: Update 3 zojojojo Mar-05-16 24
         RE: Update 3 drakensis Mar-05-16 25
     RE: Update 3 eriktown Mar-05-16 26

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BeardedFerret
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1. "RE: Well, shit."
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   Holy crap, that's a nightmare.

Would there be, like, grounds to sue in this sort of situation? It seems like massive negligence.


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3. "RE: Well, shit."
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   >Would there be, like, grounds to sue in this sort of situation? It
>seems like massive negligence.

Maybe, I don't know. I have no knowledge of civil law, other than a fairly deep-grained but almost entirely anecdotally-driven conviction that the only winners are the lawyers.

I asked the insurance company lady if I should stop payment on the bozo's check, and she said she couldn't give legal advice, but that they would probably be able to include it in the giant bloody chunk they're going to bite out of his insurance company, and I probably shouldn't expose myself to the counterliability involved in stiffing a tradesman, even a fantastically incompetent one. She may not have said it in those exact words, but that was the gist of it.

Anyway, I don't own the house, so if there's suing to be done over the infrastructural damage (as opposed to the fuckage of my life, which is not really quantifiable in a legal sense as far as I know), that'll be up to the homeowner (my mom's husband). He was talking about it when last I saw him, though, so who knows...

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6. "RE: Well, shit."
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   LAST EDITED ON Feb-29-16 AT 01:26 AM (EST)
 
Firstly, my sympathies. This puts my issues with toilets occasionally running backward in perspective.

>Maybe, I don't know. I have no knowledge of civil law, other than a
>fairly deep-grained but almost entirely anecdotally-driven conviction
>that the only winners are the lawyers.

It is perhaps more accurate to say that the only consistent winners are the lawyers. Having been in a couple of auto accidents where the other party was at fault, having a competent lawyer on hand was a comfort and worth the expense.

>Anyway, I don't own the house, so if there's suing to be done over the
>infrastructural damage (as opposed to the fuckage of my life, which is
>not really quantifiable in a legal sense as far as I know),

In an accident case that "fuckage" is referred to as pain and suffering. I think the general term is "damages". Document every inconvenience, expense and loss that this caused. You may not need the docs, but you won't feel like an idiot if you do need them.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damages

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2. "RE: Well, shit."
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   Holy fucking shit.

I'm so sorry. It's like somebody reenacted the shit golem scene from Dogma in your basement. That's insane.

Good luck.


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4. "RE: Well, shit."
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   Crap, and I thought having four separate water lines break four separate times during the two weeks around my birthday this month sucked. Man, I feel for you.

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5. "RE: Well, shit."
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   Well fuck. That's... that's ten different kinds of horrible.

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Terminus Est
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7. "RE: Well, shit."
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   *eyes title* Er, quite.

VR up there has the right of it, I think - document every expense you have out of this, including loss of property, hotel expenses, food expenses, and all the other minutiae that comes up (including replacing any clothing or such that you deem unrecoverable because of the stench), make copies of all such documentation (so that it can't be conveniently 'lost'), and just generally cover your ass, because this is going to get worse before it gets better. At least you don't have to do the cleanup personally, cold comfort though it may be, and that plumber is in for a rather large amount of backlash for the utter and complete mess he made if there is any justice left in that particular corner of the world.

Pretty sure I speak for most of us when I say, let us know if you need help and we'll do our damnedest to pitch in.


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8. "RE: Well, shit."
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   Damn, sorry to hear. I third what others have said, document everything, take pictures, etc, and I hope that you can find someone to help. Good luck.

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9. "RE: Well, shit."
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   Trade companies carry insurance precicely for this reason. If said plumber was the owner, he was running before you figured it out. If said plumber is just an employee, he knows just how pissed his boss is going to be because he massively screwed up.

Homeowner should contact his insurance, who shpuld then contact plumber's insutance, and see what happens from there.

I see this kind of thing about once a year, its just how construction goes. Unfortunately, when it happens to a homeowner, it really really sucks.

-D-

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10. "RE: Well, shit."
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>I see this kind of thing about once a year, its just how construction
>goes.

... you see floods of sewage about once a year.

Man, I *hope* someday to have the level of blase patience with life's calamities suggested by your tone. I had a regular old water flood happen once and ... well, I deal well with disasters, but my blood pressure doesn't.

Gryph: what others said above. Anything we can do, speak up.

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11. "RE: Well, shit."
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   Floods of sewage, no.

Equal amounts of property damage? Yup. Sometimes its not even anyone's fault (major storm with power outage flooded a basement of a new building and soaked all of the, thankfully not energized, electrical switchgear, all of the bus work had to be replaced) but it usually is; I have seen two seperate sewage floods, though neither was caused by the plumber.

In any case, contractors carry insurance.

-D-

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12. "RE: Well, shit."
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   First off, Gryphon, my sincerest condolences. We had a backup and shit all over the downstairs bathroom and hall once, but that is nothing next to this.

As for seeing this kind of thing once a year, I assumed that referred to epic contractor botches in general and the legal rigmarole that follows.

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13. "RE: Well, shit."
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   Update:

After a lot of flailing around last night (Mom's homeowners' insurance people were not familiar with the phenomenon of North Woods Standard Time), a crew from Servpro (the people who clean up crime scenes, among other things) turned up bright and early this morning and started swamping out the basement. The shit is gone, and they are confident that the shitty things will be too in quite short order. They want to run dehumidifiers and air cleaners and all sorts of whatnot down there for a few days, but that's fine, since I can't move in until the sewer line is fixed in the first place.

On that front, things are proceeding less well. Where I live, we have a municipal sewer system, which is fairly unusual for a town of this size; it is one of the many legacies of the glory days of papermaking that the current form of the town can really no longer afford. This was long a point of pride for people here in town, that we had a sewer while the folks in the neighboring communities had to have septic tanks.

Anyway, the point is, to do any work on the sewer hookup, you have to go to the town's Department of Public Works. And that, my friends, has been a faff and a half. For one thing, the town disavows any responsibility for anything beyond the mains. A residential trunk line, even the part that's below the right-of-way (our sewers, like sewers everywhere, run under the middles of streets), is the homeowner's responsibility. However, you can't just go out there and dig up the street, obviously. DPW has to do that. But you, the homeowner, pay for it. And the repairs when they're finished.

Add to that the fact that they claim they don't know where our trunk line is, and you're talking about a fishing expedition along like half a block of the street—which is one of the main roads through town, used by a lot of truck traffic, so that means any road closure there Interferes With Economic Activity, which is a cardinal sin around here.

If all that sounds expensive, I congratulate you on your perspicacity.

Also, DPW insists that they only want to work with a particular local plumber on this, and that plumber isn't returning calls, and Mom doesn't want to hire him anyway. The late Wolfgang Amadeus "Regal" Beagle, noted judge of character, once bit him, which presumably soured him on working on the estate anyway, but the fact that Regal chose to do so in the first place is held as an indication of something in itself.

So basically, it's a huge handwaving mess over on the "actually fixing the fucking problem" side, and who the hell knows. On the cleanup side, things seem to be progressing quite well, if expensively. Insurance is covering it (and my hotel stay), but there are fairly hefty deductibles involved, of course, because insurance. Also, said insurance does not cover the actual sewer failure, only the spectacular act of plumberly ineptitude that caused the shitwave in the basement.

Sigh.

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15. "RE: Well, shit."
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   Is it possible to just install a septic tank and be done with it? Or does the town insist you use its sewer system? Also, while you may not be able to get too much traction with the DPW yourself, this might be worth contacting the local TV special interest reporter since the DPW not knowing where their own sewer line is, and that fact keeping you from being able to live in your house, might be something they're interested in...

Good luck, and may the rest of your week be less shitty.

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16. "RE: Well, shit."
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   >Is it possible to just install a septic tank and be done with it? Or
>does the town insist you use its sewer system?

Oh yeah, sorry, I meant to mention this and forgot to. It's against the local sanitary ordinance to have a self-contained septic system on your premises if you live within the sewer system's service range, which obviously I do. (In fact, my house dates to the town's second wave of construction, it's one of the oldest in town outside the neighborhood that is immediately outside what used to be the mill gates, so I'm pretty much downtown.)

>Also, while you may
>not be able to get too much traction with the DPW yourself, this might
>be worth contacting the local TV special interest reporter since the
>DPW not knowing where their own sewer line is, and that fact keeping
>you from being able to live in your house, might be something they're
>interested in...

In this case, "local" TV is about 75 miles away, and are unlikely to give a damn what's going on with the public works department in the north forty, but thanks for the thought. :)

(It's annoying, but I have to acknowledge it's not really that surprising that they don't know where it is, really. I doubt the town sewer company kept really detailed records in the early days.)

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19. "RE: Well, shit."
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   >Also, said
>insurance does not cover the actual sewer failure, only the
>spectacular act of plumberly ineptitude that caused the shitwave in
>the basement.
>

Based on an article in my local paper, this may be typical; there are people in the area who are discovering that the connection from house to sewer is not covered under homeowner's insurance, because it isn't inside the home.

I have no idea what kind of insurance would cover this, or if they sell any.

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14. "RE: Well, shit."
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   Lacking any productive suggestions, I offer the suggestion that you see if the plumber who ruined your sewer line has a Yelp account.

If so, I imagine that this story (with some editing for language) will make a very painful commentary. I'd recommend finding out if the person who screwed things up is an employee; if so, discovering whether or not he's still employed and including that information in the account along with his name would be a good thing, in the sense of "they hired a total blockhead, but they fired him after this disaster, which shows some accountability." (It shows you're being reasonable.)

Also, anything regarding their response to this, from "bent over backwards to cover the expenses" to "absolute tightwads in spite of the fact it was their fault" would be a useful thing.

It probably won't help you, but it might be good for the next guy down the line.

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17. "RE: Well, shit."
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   I can offer no reasonable feedback except 'grab whoever is sueable and sue the shit out of them', literally.


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18. "RE: Well, shit."
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   >I can offer no reasonable feedback except 'grab whoever is sueable and
>sue the shit out of them', literally.

i think he has enough shit already and doesn't need any more of the plumber's shit at this point... but i do agree about the sueing the plumber part, if it's at all feasable, and the earlier-mentioned written piece (for the local paper?)

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20. "RE: Well, shit."
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   I totally sympathize. When I first moved out of my parents I was living in an apartment, on the lowest floor. One morning I woke up and as I started walking to the bathroom, I noticed the rug was wet. Then I realized the bathroom floor was wet. Then I realized it stank, and the wet, stinky stuff was coming up from one of the fixtures.

I had to clean myself up in the tiny bathroom in the apartment complex laundry room, then called the manager, and dragged myself off to work. By the time I was back at the apartment, the plumber had come and gone, and Servpro (or competitor) was just finishing up the cleanup/washing. They left a few industrial fans to finish drying things out and advised me to keep them going for a day or so.

Alas, my closets lay between my bed and the bathroom. Everything on the floor had to go. Miscellaneous stuff in fabric bags, some shoes, clothing that had fallen off hangars, some books, ugh. For the next week or two, the apartment reeked. Thankfully, it reeked of the cleaning agents, not so much of raw sewage, but it was horrible.

At least I didn't have to worry about fixing it, or paying for the fix. I'm not sure if that's insult to injury, or injury to injury. Sorry you're having to deal with this. Good luck!

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21. "Update 2"
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   Well, thanks to the heroic efforts of the crew from Servpro, the house now smells lemony fresh instead of like a cesspit. I haven't been down to the basement to look, but when I stopped in a few hours ago to grab a couple of things (like the charger for my toothbrush—yeah, didn't think I would need that when I decamped Sunday, but), there were what sounded like many large, powerful machines whirring away down there, scrubbing the air. Hopefully the Lemon Pledge scent will dissipate (it's already less powerful than it was the first day they were there).

Unfortunately, we're having an ice storm in the North Woods today, and—with, I must note, complete justification—Servpro's heroism does not extend to driving their giant truck up here from Ellsworth (~2 hrs in good weather) in an ice storm. Otherwise they would be packing up all that stuff (and carting off all the contaminated junk that's piled in the yard) and heading out today. Instead, that'll happen tomorrow.

At which point the town-approved plumber will come back (he said he couldn't work with all the aforementioned machinery in the basement) and... believe it or not... attempt to clear the old line again before we can talk replacement. You remember, the one that we're pretty sure Fuckhead collapsed? Yeah, I don't get it either. The Servopro guys (above and beyond) had a look at it with their own gear yesterday—not part of their job, but they had all the stuff and they were curious—and they were pulling out rocks, which is not something you generally find in a sewer trunk line that is ever going to work again.

Town-Approved Plumber insists on making the attempt anyway, because—get ready for this—his current plan is to try and bodge the old line so it'll work... sort of... until April. His claim is that running new service now would cost more than the house is worth, because winter.

I would like to point out that "what the house is worth" is a relative measure to some of us.

Anyway, that's how he insists on doing it, so that's how it's going to get done. DPW have absolved themselves of any need to be at all helpful, they claim they don't even know where the tie from our trunk to their main is. I guess we'll find out more tomorrow.

If Town-Approved Plumber causes another shitflood in the course of wasting everyone's time, as would frankly seem line with the house's dharma at this point, I don't even know.

Meanwhile, I've moved hotels (amazingly, there is more than one in town), and this one, while endowed with a fantastic shower, is deficient in the furniture department. Because it's always something, you know? I might try to bring my own desk chair over later, assuming it stops freezing-raining at some point.

ETA to repair: none. None at all. My insurance company has now authorized me to stay at New Hotel for nine days, and after tomorrow I'll have reached my policy deductible and they'll actually start paying for it. Which is nice, I guess? Although really, if I were going to spend upwards of 10 days in a hotel, I would ideally prefer it to be more than two miles from my house.

But what can one do?

Nap time. This cheapass desk chair is killing me.

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Sofaspud
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22. "RE: Update 2"
In response to message #21
 
   It's possible he intends to install a sleeve, maybe? I dunno if that's what it's called, but back when I lived in AZ we had a sewer line collapse and what ended up happening is that a slightly-smaller PVC pipe was inserted to bridge the gap. It was supposed to be temporary but as far as I know was still there until the city bulldozed the property to make way for a parking lot. (No, seriously.) That would've been... hmm... twelve years, give or take?

As an aside, I can totally get behind your Servpro experience. Which is surprising to me, because I'm on the other side of the country from you. But apparently it's company-wide. Servpro is awesome.

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Gryphonadmin
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23. "Update 3"
In response to message #0
 
   After spending the week in two area hotels and generally having things extremely disrupted, I'm back home. The "town-approved" plumber spent most of today slowly and methodically chipping away at a massive clog in the drain line, employing a technique which the original guy could have used, but chose instead to use one that would have been quicker except that it was never going to work. I suspect he probably gets away with that about 90% of the time and has no Plan B for the other 10%.

Anyway, once Town-Approved Plumber finished chiseling out the original clog (which was a combination of roots in the line—surprising, given that there are no trees anywhere between my house and the street—and stuff that was supposed to be safe to flush and turns out not to have been), he flushed the line and everything worked fine. It's probably going to need to be replaced someday anyway, because it's an 80-year-old clay line (customary lifespan: um, 70 years?) and, well, roots grow back (even if there are no trees, apparently). However... for the moment, I'm back home.

Surprisingly, the events of the week, with my weekly MS shot as a sort of cherry on top, have left me not feeling very productive, apart from the excitement of my M1 finally arriving. Hopefully the chance to shower in my own bathroom and get some sleep in my own bed will fix that.

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24. "RE: Update 3"
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   Huzzah!

welcome home! i hope your sewer line lasts another 80 years?

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25. "RE: Update 3"
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   Welcome home.

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26. "RE: Update 3"
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   Glad you're home! This sounds like a terrible, horrible ordeal, but I'm glad you're at least not having to deal with the unspeakable nightmare of replacing the whole sewer line.


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