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Vorticity
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"The Long Way Round"
 
   LAST EDITED ON May-03-18 AT 01:51 AM (EDT)
 
5:54 AM, January 6, 1942

LAGUARDIA TOWER LAGUARDIA TOWER. THIS IS PAN AMERICAN CLIPPER NC18602 INBOUND FROM AUCKLAND NEW ZEALAND. DUE TO ARRIVE PAN AMERICAN MARINE TERMINAL LAGUARDIA IN SEVEN MINUTES. OVER.


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  RE: The Long Way Round Pasha May-03-18 1
     RE: The Long Way Round Gryphonadmin May-03-18 2
  RE: The Long Way Round Pasha May-03-18 3
     RE: The Long Way Round Gryphonadmin May-03-18 4
  RE: The Long Way Round StClair May-04-18 5

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Pasha
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1. "RE: The Long Way Round"
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   LAST EDITED ON May-03-18 AT 04:57 PM (EDT)
 

>5:54 AM, January 6, 1942
>
>LAGUARDIA TOWER LAGUARDIA TOWER. THIS IS PAN AMERICAN CLIPPER NC18602 INBOUND
>FROM AUCKLAND NEW ZEALAND. DUE TO ARRIVE PAN AMERICAN MARINE TERMINAL
>LAGUARDIA IN SEVEN MINUTES. OVER.

This is amazing and I love every bit so far.

Also, apparently told separately in a book that is available for a reasonable fee

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Gryphonadmin
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2. "RE: The Long Way Round"
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   >it's just not worth it trying to include
>links in quoteback most of the time... --G.

>
>>5:54 AM, January 6, 1942
>>
>>LAGUARDIA TOWER LAGUARDIA TOWER. THIS IS PAN AMERICAN CLIPPER NC18602 INBOUND
>>FROM AUCKLAND NEW ZEALAND. DUE TO ARRIVE PAN AMERICAN MARINE TERMINAL
>>LAGUARDIA IN SEVEN MINUTES. OVER.

>
>This is amazing and I love every bit so far.

It's a great story, and one I'd never heard of before. I went ahead and bought the book the article's author cites at the end; the link provided is to the Amazon UK version, but it's also available on US Kindle (with Kindle Unlimited, too, if anyone's got that) and in print over here. Looks like it's self-published, and it's the kind of historical thing that deserves more exposure.

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Pasha
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3. "RE: The Long Way Round"
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   >5:54 AM, January 6, 1942
>
>
>LAGUARDIA
>TOWER LAGUARDIA TOWER. THIS IS PAN AMERICAN CLIPPER NC18602 INBOUND
>FROM AUCKLAND NEW ZEALAND. DUE TO ARRIVE PAN AMERICAN MARINE TERMINAL
>LAGUARDIA IN SEVEN MINUTES. OVER.

One of the things that, after a little deliberation, occurs to me is that the pilot was asking a third party for power.
I'm so used to modern aircraft that having a plane be so physically hard to control that an engineer who's job it was to maintain the rich/lean mixture of the aircraft while in flight never would have occurred to me.

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Gryphonadmin
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4. "RE: The Long Way Round"
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   >One of the things that, after a little deliberation, occurs to me is
>that the pilot was asking a third party for power.
>I'm so used to modern aircraft that having a plane be so physically
>hard to control that an engineer who's job it was to maintain the
>rich/lean mixture of the aircraft while in flight never would have
>occurred to me.

Yeah, it's a combination of factors—not only that the airplane itself is harder for the pilot to fly, but also because there is a shedload of stuff about WWII-era multi-piston-engine aircraft that has to have someone managing it full-time. Fuel mixture, fuel pressure, manifold pressure, supercharger pressure if equipped, temperatures of half a dozen different components, propeller pitch setting, lubrication... big aviation piston engines from about the mid-1930s on are insanely complicated, and once you stick four or six of them on an airframe, you're deep into bat country.

Flight engineers haven't been extinct for that long, either—first- and second-generation turboprops and jets had them too, although their workload was much lighter than the ones who had to manage all the intricacies of high-powered piston engines. Pilots didn't have to interact with them directly to get the best performance out of the aircraft in most circumstances, but you still needed another crew member to keep an eye on all the stuff. It's only in the glass-cockpit age that the airlines have finally been able to justify dispensing with their services.

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5. "RE: The Long Way Round"
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   I want to see this movie.


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