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"Is Paris Burning?"
 
   Well, no, not all of it, but Notre-Dame apparently is. Oh dear.

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  Subject     Author     Message Date     ID  
  RE: Is Paris Burning? MuninsFire Apr-15-19 1
  RE: Is Paris Burning? McFortner Apr-15-19 2
     RE: Is Paris Burning? Droken Apr-15-19 3
     RE: Is Paris Burning? SneakyPete Apr-15-19 4
  RE: Is Paris Burning? Nathan Apr-16-19 5
  RE: Is Paris Burning? Gryphonadmin Apr-29-19 6
     RE: Is Paris Burning? MoonEyes Apr-30-19 7
         RE: Is Paris Burning? Nova Floresca May-02-19 8

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MuninsFire
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Apr-15-19, 02:25 PM (EDT)
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1. "RE: Is Paris Burning?"
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   It looks like the spire's down, and the rose window is gone now.

I'm very upset about this. I always wanted to see it.

In Xanadu did Kubla Khan
A stately pleasure-dome decree
Where Alph, the sacred river, ran
Through caverns measureless to man
Down to a sunless sea


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McFortner
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Apr-15-19, 07:34 PM (EDT)
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2. "RE: Is Paris Burning?"
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   From what I've seen lately, it looks like it's totally gutted, with nothing but the exterior walls standing. I hope that there's enough structural stability that those will stay up at least. Such a shame.

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Droken
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Apr-15-19, 08:33 PM (EDT)
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3. "RE: Is Paris Burning?"
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   The reports I've seen so far indicate that the stonework is essentially whole; it's largely the roof that was impacted. I think something like 2/3 of it is gone. The biggest worry right now is apparently the bell-tower, and the condition of the supports for the bells. It also appears that at least a portion of the artwork was evacuated, though how much doesn't appear to be clear yet.

Can't even imagine the horror of the people witnessing it in person. It's bad enough watching video... A shame indeed...

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SneakyPete
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Apr-15-19, 10:17 PM (EDT)
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4. "RE: Is Paris Burning?"
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   Keep in mind, the roof structure you see from outside really isn't holding anything but itself up. Latest reports say the stone vaulting inside (the real structural component of the roof) is largely intact. It won't be *easy* to repair, by any means, but the structure of the building is still sound.


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Nathan
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5. "RE: Is Paris Burning?"
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   Wiki has sourced updates:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Notre-Dame_de_Paris_fire

TLDR, the relics and most of the artwork are intact, including the rose windows. The vaulting was able to handle the additional weight of the collapsed roof everywhere but under the main tower. Longer term damage to the building's structure is still uncertain, but it's been ruled safe for recovery and work crews to go inside for now.

In the long run, just another chapter in the life of Notre-Dame.

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6. "RE: Is Paris Burning?"
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   LAST EDITED ON Apr-29-19 AT 01:18 AM (EDT)
 
Oh yeah, I forgot to mention this. Is Paris Burning? is the title of a 1965 narrative history of the liberation of Paris in 1944, by Larry Collins and Dominique Lapierre. Its title comes from a question Adolf Hitler asked of the general commanding the defense of Paris, General Dietrich von Choltitz, who was ordered to raze the city rather than let it be taken by the Allies.

Is Paris Burning? was the seminal work on the topic in its time, and is still fairly well-known today; it was made into a motion picture starring Kirk Douglas and Gert Fröbe the year after it was published. I read the book for a class a few years ago, but, reminded of it by the Notre-Dame fire, I was surprised to find that I didn't have a copy (I must have borrowed it from the UMaine library). So, I went online and, finding that it's out of print, ordered a used hardcover copy of the original 1965 edition.

It came the other day, and I found this on the flyleaf.

Used books—you never know what you might find.

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MoonEyes
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7. "RE: Is Paris Burning?"
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   >Its title comes from a >question Adolf Hitler asked of the general commanding >the defense of Paris, General Dietrich von Choltitz, who was ordered to raze >the city rather than let it be taken by the Allies.


Dieter Hugo Hermann von Choltitz was a rather impressive man, in honesty. He served from 1907 onward and climbed all the way from cadet-rank(Fähnrich) to three-star general(General der Infanterie).
On the 7th of August, a week after being made Gen d. Inf, he was appointed military governor of Paris. At that time, Hitler gave the order, which he later confirmed, that Paris was not to fall into enemy hands other than as a pile of burning rubble.
Choltitz was to destroy as much as was possible, and absolutely all famous landmarks, and a week later, Hitler hysterically screamed the famous line, thought there is some uncertainty if he did it to Choltitz(by phone) or to his Chief of Staff, Alfred Jodl.
Either way, Paris was not burning, as Choltitz refused to carry out orders given to him by a madman.

Choltitz received a large array of medals and awards over his career, some of which is probably not a surprise such as the Knights Cross of the Iron Cross ort the Sudetenland Medal. However, he was also made a Knight of the French Legion d'Honneur, for his preserving Paris and received the German Cross.

More impressively in my mind, he wore both the Infantry Assault Badge and the Wound Badge in gold. The first was given to soldiers who had participated in infantry assaults, with light infantry weapons, on three separate days in the front line, on or after 1 January 1940. By that time, Choltitz was a lieutenant colonel, not really the sort of rank that would be expected to be in the fighting line. The second award, on the other hand, required 5 or more wounds received by hostile action. The first wound(s) came from World War 1, but the silver badge, for at least 3 wounds, was awarded in 1939 and the gold in 1943.

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Nova Floresca
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8. "RE: Is Paris Burning?"
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   Hmm . . .

1) a Lieutenant Colonel,

2) personally fighting on the front lines,

3) wounded heavily while doing so,

. . . I didn't realize X-COM was active during the 40s.

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