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"2007.04.25: battleship shelter"
 
   <wedge> http://www.aso.com/aircraft/105945/
<wedge> --not to drop hints or anything, but it *is* my birthday on Sunday.
* wedge grins
<Z-Gryphon> I don't know, son.
<Z-Gryphon> a jet interceptor is a big responsibility.
<wedge> I promise I'll feed it! And take it for walks!
<wedge> and not to sell it the instant a Viggen is up for sale.
<wedge> :)
<Z-Gryphon> You said that when you wanted the battleship, too, and we ended up taking that to the battleship shelter six months later because you didn't want to get six summer jobs to pay for all the coal.
<Z-Gryphon> (I admit I just like the image of "the battleship shelter".)
<wedge> I was just gonna say
<Slarti> Band name: No-Kill Battleship Shelter
<Z-Gryphon> "Meet Kirov! This little guy came to us from Russia. He's not a purebred battleship, as you can see, but he's definitely got some battleship in him! And his smaller size means he might just be perfect for those battleship lovers who thought they could never have one because of their small harbors. Won't you give this loveable guy a home?"


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  RE: 2007.04.25: battleship shelter Gryphonadmin Jun-28-15 1
     RE: 2007.04.25: battleship shelter The Traitor Jun-29-15 2
         RE: 2007.04.25: battleship shelter Gryphonadmin Jun-29-15 3
             RE: 2007.04.25: battleship shelter BeardedFerret Jun-29-15 4
         RE: 2007.04.25: battleship shelter Tabasco Jun-29-15 6
             RE: 2007.04.25: battleship shelter Gryphonadmin Jun-29-15 8
                 RE: 2007.04.25: battleship shelter Tabasco Jun-29-15 9
                     RE: 2007.04.25: battleship shelter Gryphonadmin Jul-09-15 10
                         RE: 2007.04.25: battleship shelter Nova Floresca Jul-09-15 11
                             RE: 2007.04.25: battleship shelter Gryphonadmin Jul-09-15 12
                                 RE: 2007.04.25: battleship shelter Nova Floresca Jul-09-15 13
                                     RE: 2007.04.25: battleship shelter Gryphonadmin Jul-09-15 14
     RE: 2007.04.25: battleship shelter BeardedFerret Jun-29-15 5
         RE: 2007.04.25: battleship shelter Gryphonadmin Jun-29-15 7
     RE: 2007.04.25: battleship shelter MoonEyes Sep-08-15 15
  RE: 2007.04.25: battleship shelter Gryphonadmin Oct-05-22 16
     RE: 2007.04.25: battleship shelter Star Ranger4 Oct-08-22 17

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1. "RE: 2007.04.25: battleship shelter"
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   This image has become even more pleasing since I started taking an interest in Arpeggio of Blue Steel and Kantai Collection. If I played the latter, or if I were an admiral within its universe, I think I would very quickly end up essentially operating a battleship shelter.

Although we wouldn't be snobbish about it, warships of all types would be welcome. We'd just keep "battleship shelter" on the business cards because it sounds cooler.

--G.
"Do you accept submarines?" "Why sure we do! C'mon in, pull up a pier."
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2. "RE: 2007.04.25: battleship shelter"
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   I'm seeing the ad campaigns now. A little cardboard box, the colours greyed out, sad piano music playing as the usual guff about how Insert Thing Here has no warmth, no home, no love, and that you can help. And then, from the box...

Pokes the funnel of a tiny ironclad.

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3. "RE: 2007.04.25: battleship shelter"
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   >"Look, Mummy! Look! The Queen Elizabeth's had
>fighters! Can we keep them? Can we can we can we?"

"Oh, I'm sorry, sweetie, but they're F-35s. I'm afraid we're going to have to put them..." *cough* "... on a farm, where they can have plenty of room to run around and play. They'd be just miserable, cooped up in our apartment."

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4. "RE: 2007.04.25: battleship shelter"
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   >>"Look, Mummy! Look! The Queen Elizabeth's had
>>fighters! Can we keep them? Can we can we can we?"
>
>"Oh, I'm sorry, sweetie, but they're F-35s. I'm afraid we're going to
>have to put them..." *cough* "... on a farm, where they can have
>plenty of room to run around and play. They'd be just miserable,
>cooped up in our apartment."
>
>--G.
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Not even a child would believe that an F-35 is capable of movement.


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6. "RE: 2007.04.25: battleship shelter"
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   LAST EDITED ON Jun-29-15 AT 12:18 PM (EDT)
 
>I'm seeing the ad campaigns now. A little cardboard box, the colours
>greyed out, sad piano music playing as the usual guff about how Insert
>Thing Here has no warmth, no home, no love, and that you can help. And
>then, from the box...
>
>Pokes the funnel of a tiny ironclad.
>
>---

So THAT'S where abyssals come from! It makes so much sense.

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8. "RE: 2007.04.25: battleship shelter"
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   >>I'm seeing the ad campaigns now. A little cardboard box, the colours
>>greyed out, sad piano music playing as the usual guff about how Insert
>>Thing Here has no warmth, no home, no love, and that you can help. And
>>then, from the box...
>>
>>Pokes the funnel of a tiny ironclad.
>
>So THAT'S where abyssals come from! It makes so much sense.

In the case of 90-some percent of the Abyssals whose designs I've seen so far, it would make a certain grim sense that most of 'em are Sadly Unloved. As the great Brian Blessed is reputed to have said of Pam Anderson once, "I wouldn't with yours!" :)

--G.
Except maybe the Re-class battleship... but that's a mighty big maybe.
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9. "RE: 2007.04.25: battleship shelter"
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   I suppose the tragedy is that the abyssals appeared before first contact for earth. Surely there would be some perfectly nice chthonic abominations that would've been happy to take them in out in the cosmos.

You might have cause to regret my mentioning this, but there was a Chinese clone of kantai collection (because of course there's one) shown at e3 that's supposed to be released in the U.S. this year. The main difference seems to be that they're not shy about adding in allied ships rather than just axis ones.

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10. "RE: 2007.04.25: battleship shelter"
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   >You might have cause to regret my mentioning this, but there was a
>Chinese clone of kantai collection (because of course there's one)
>shown at e3 that's supposed to be released in the U.S. this year.

Heh, yeah, that's not very surprising at all. I mean, there's a Chinese knockoff of the BMW X5. Seriously. Who even wanted that in China? But there is one. :)

I'm not dialed into the scene enough to know if there's any particular reason why the real game hasn't been localized outside Japan, apart from the obvious expense of doing so. Maybe they're worried about running up against hordes of dudes like that doof from Vice who called it "historically revisionist" because players can win the Battle of Midway, evidently having missed the part about the storyline being set in the present day and "are we doomed to repeat our history?" being a central plot point...

--G.
(glorifies war? maybe, but have you seen these people cry when they accidentally sink their favorite ships?)
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11. "RE: 2007.04.25: battleship shelter"
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   >I'm not dialed into the scene enough to know if there's any particular
>reason why the real game hasn't been localized outside Japan, apart
>from the obvious expense of doing so.

From what I've been able to gather, part of the problem is DMM is still kinda in shock with how popular the game is. As in, the current player base is a couple orders of magnitude past what they originally expected, and they've been putting up servers as fast as they can to cope with the demand. I'd imagine they're not going to even touch anything as thorny as the US market until they've got that stabilized.

>(glorifies war? maybe, but have you seen these people cry when they
>accidentally sink their favorite ships?)

When compared to the fact that Call of Jingoism Duty games are still being published every other year, KanColle looks almost pacifistic.

Also more relatable characters and a more believable conflict, but what can you do?
"This is probably a stupid question, but . . ."


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12. "RE: 2007.04.25: battleship shelter"
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   >>(glorifies war? maybe, but have you seen these people cry when they
>>accidentally sink their favorite ships?)
>
>When compared to the fact that Call of Jingoism Duty
>games are still being published every other year, KanColle
>looks almost pacifistic.

Well, it appears the Vice dude is butthurt because the Imperial Japanese Navy are the heroes of the game, a cultural movement which he seems to be comparing with, e.g., neo-Nazism in modern-day central Europe. Personally, I think that's something of a stretch, particularly as the focus seems to be on the ships, not the catastrophically flawed foreign and domestic policy that guided their use.

Also, while I'll acknowledge that the current conservative/militant trend in Japanese politics is unsettling, I rather doubt that Kantai Collection has much of anything to do with it, any more than Pokémon was linked with the sudden demographic spike in zookeepers and circus animal trainers in the '90s.

--G.
n.b. as far as I know I made that last part up
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13. "RE: 2007.04.25: battleship shelter"
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   >Also, while I'll acknowledge that the current conservative/militant
>trend in Japanese politics is unsettling, I rather doubt that
>Kantai Collection has much of anything to do with it,
>any more than Pokémon was linked with the sudden
>demographic spike in zookeepers and circus animal trainers in the
>'90s.

That's about the right of it- and the reason DMM was so overwhelmed by the level interest, because they expected it to only appeal to the hardcore naval otakus, the kind of people who buy real teak decking for their model battleships.

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14. "RE: 2007.04.25: battleship shelter"
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   >That's about the right of it- and the reason DMM was so overwhelmed by
>the level interest, because they expected it to only appeal to the
>hardcore naval otakus, the kind of people who buy real teak decking
>for their model battleships.

Classic case of doing the job too well. :)

I've been thinking about this kind of thing off and on as I work on the design for a couple of related bits in UF, and I have to give the game's designers points for this much: they haven't completely shied away from some of the thornier issues in re the Japanese forces' conduct in the war. Yes, they've sort of conveniently elided I-8's less than inspiring record (my personal head canon is that she's too mortified by the behavior of her erstwhile crew to even talk about it), but several of the ships represented by characters in the game were involved in the deployment of various late-war suicide weapons, such as the Kaiten manned torpedoes and Ohka flying bombs, and they have acknowledged that in the game...

... by giving the characters lines that make it fairly plain that the ships themselves hated that shit, and they want nothing whatever to do with any such business this time around, now that they actually have something to say about it.

It's a small thing, but I like it a lot.

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5. "RE: 2007.04.25: battleship shelter"
In response to message #1
 
   >This image has become even more pleasing since I started taking an
>interest in Arpeggio of Blue Steel and Kantai
>Collection
. If I played the latter, or if I were an admiral
>within its universe, I think I would very quickly end up essentially
>operating a battleship shelter.
>
>Although we wouldn't be snobbish about it, warships of all types would
>be welcome. We'd just keep "battleship shelter" on the business cards
>because it sounds cooler.
>
>--G.
>"Do you accept submarines?" "Why sure we do! C'mon
>in, pull up a pier."

See also: visits to the ship selection officer in Star Trek Online.

"This Vesta Class is a bit older than the other ships, but it has a lot of science to give to the right bridge crew."


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7. "RE: 2007.04.25: battleship shelter"
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   >See also: visits to the ship selection officer in Star Trek Online.
>
>"This Vesta Class is a bit older than the other ships, but it has a
>lot of science to give to the right bridge crew."

Yup. They make the pitch for the disadvantaged classes, and Swede Andersson goes for it every single time. Like when she brought home that Ambassador. :)

--G.
"It's not even a science vessel!" "I know, but just look at it."
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15. "RE: 2007.04.25: battleship shelter"
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   >This image has become even more pleasing since I started taking an
>interest in Arpeggio of Blue Steel and Kantai
>Collection
. If I played the latter, or if I were an admiral
>within its universe, I think I would very quickly end up essentially
>operating a battleship shelter.

Or playing World of Warships? Which is, essentially, what your port IS...well, destroyer/cruiser/battleship/carrier, I suppose, but still...


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16. "RE: 2007.04.25: battleship shelter"
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   Speaking of no-kill shelters: Nicely edited montage of museum battleship USS Texas being towed to the vet drydock in Galveston back in August.

--G.
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17. "RE: 2007.04.25: battleship shelter"
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   And they ARE looking for a better berth for her than the old one

Of COURSE you wernt
expecting it!
No One expects the
FANNISH INQUISITION!

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