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Gryphon
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Jul-16-16, 09:26 PM (EST) |
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2. "RE: For gun folks"
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>So what, may I ask, the hell? Somebody's always dicking around... A cursory poke around the interwebs indicates that (perhaps unsurprisingly) there are at least two arms companies calling themselves "Arsenal" these days (once you weed out all the hits that are about the soccer team). One is a Bulgarian company which, in addition to police and military firearms, sells carbide inserts for machine tools. The other, which evidently makes this gun, is Russo-Italian, and perhaps better known for making the Strike One 9mm tactical pistol; this, in turn, is probably best known for not being the sidearm of the Russian armed forces, and yet turning up often in the hands of mysteriously unmarked (para?)military personnel in, e.g., eastern Ukraine, who speak Russian and support the separatists but are obviously not Russian soldiers wink wink because they're carrying Strike Ones and not GSh-18s. I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that this item, unlike the Strike One, is purely being offered for the novelty value and has no real tactical applications; although, that said, I certainly wouldn't want to get shot with one. :) --G. -><- Benjamin D. Hutchins, Co-Founder, Editor-in-Chief, & Forum Mod Eyrie Productions, Unlimited http://www.eyrie-productions.com/ zgryphon at that email service Google has Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam. |
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Mercutio
Member since May-26-13
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Jul-16-16, 11:55 PM (EST) |
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3. "RE: For gun folks"
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> this, in turn, is probably best known for not >being the sidearm of the Russian armed forces, and yet turning up >often in the hands of mysteriously unmarked (para?)military personnel >in, e.g., eastern Ukraine, who speak Russian and support the >separatists but are obviously not Russian soldiers wink wink >because they're carrying Strike Ones and not GSh-18s. You know, I feel a little bit cheated by Vlad. The Cold War ended when I was ten. But here we are, in 2016, and Russia is ruled by a former KGB strongman with imperial ambitions who is conducting shadowy operations in Eastern Europe when he isn't outright snipping off pieces of neighboring countries. Probably also having dudes poisoned and/or shot. And it's like... this is my parents history! This is... this is used history is what it is. Someone hauled this out of the dumpster, filed off all the 20th-century dates, and is trying to pass it off as new product! I was promised fresh, farm-to-table organic history, not this crap. Look, there's still... there's bits of Nixon all over it, you haven't even washed it off properly! I want to speak to a manager. -Merc Keep Rat |
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Gryphon
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Jul-17-16, 00:07 AM (EST) |
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4. "RE: For gun folks"
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>You know, I feel a little bit cheated by Vlad. The Cold War ended when >I was ten. But here we are, in 2016, and Russia is ruled by a >former KGB strongman with imperial ambitions who is conducting shadowy >operations in Eastern Europe when he isn't outright snipping off >pieces of neighboring countries. Probably also having dudes poisoned >and/or shot.I forget, did I share my paper from last year's Camden Conference course? The conference was on Russia, and I did my usual thing of spinning a POS (the most apt course code initials in UMaine's catalog) course paper into an HTY one; instead of an analysis of modern Russian foreign policy in itself, mine was (in part) an examination of how modern Russian foreign policy is in fact pre-Soviet Russian foreign policy. Basically, my conclusion was that Vlad, despite his KGB origins, isn't looking to bring back the USSR; he aims to reconstruct the Russian Empire. Or, put another way, he doesn't want to be the next Stalin, he wants to be the next Peter the Great. Tsar Vladimir IV, Autocrat of All the Russias. --G. -><- Benjamin D. Hutchins, Co-Founder, Editor-in-Chief, & Forum Mod Eyrie Productions, Unlimited http://www.eyrie-productions.com/ zgryphon at that email service Google has Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam. |
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Mercutio
Member since May-26-13
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Jul-17-16, 00:26 AM (EST) |
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5. "RE: For gun folks"
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>I forget, did I share my paper from last year's Camden Conference >course? I don't believe so but I was slunk away in shame all last year. >The conference was on Russia, and I did my usual thing of >spinning a POS (the most apt course code initials in UMaine's catalog) >course paper into an HTY one; instead of an analysis of modern Russian >foreign policy in itself, mine was (in part) an examination of how >modern Russian foreign policy is in fact pre-Soviet Russian foreign >policy. I would agree with this, but with the caveat that Soviet-era Russian foreign policy also contained enormous amounts of Czarist (can I still spell it that way?) era foreign policy as well. I mean, there were some obvious differences; among other things the USSR is nearly unique among empires in that resources tended to flow from the center to the periphery rather than the other way around. But despite the lip service the USSR gave to "spreading the Revolution" by the time Khruschev rolled around they were largely acting like Russia had always acted in its sphere of influence, just they had bigger boots on than any Czar had ever had. So Vlad's foreign policy desires and actions can reflect both the USSR and Czarist Russia at the very same time. :) If Vlad still had the resources the USSR did he would probably resemble them anymore, but Russia's economy is about the size of Canada's these days, and he needs to keep the oligarchs sweet. -Merc Keep Rat |
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Gryphon
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Jul-17-16, 00:55 AM (EST) |
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6. "RE: For gun folks"
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>>I forget, did I share my paper from last year's Camden Conference >>course? > >I don't believe so but I was slunk away in shame all last year. Oh, well, in that case, you may find it interesting. >I would agree with this, but with the caveat that Soviet-era Russian >foreign policy also contained enormous amounts of Czarist (can I still >spell it that way?) era foreign policy as well. Well, sure. And that was the nub of my thesis, really, that what the armchair experts were calling throwback Soviet foreign policy was essentially throwback Imperial foreign policy in Soviet times anyway, and throwback Muscovites-vs.-everybody-to-the-west-of-Moscow foreign policy before that. War. War never changes. You may also enjoy my combination history senior seminar paper and graphic design minor final project, An Instinct for the Regrettable, which I did share when I did it, but you were hiding in the woodshed at the time. (Also available in a version that is imposed for two-up saddle stitching, if you are into that sort of thing. :) --G. -><- Benjamin D. Hutchins, Co-Founder, Editor-in-Chief, & Forum Mod Eyrie Productions, Unlimited http://www.eyrie-productions.com/ zgryphon at that email service Google has Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam. |
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MoonEyes
Member since Jun-29-03
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Jul-18-16, 06:52 AM (EST) |
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8. "RE: For gun folks"
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To return to the original subject, as it was, silly-ass in the sense of actual use...there's no need to carry a gun with twice the weight, and three times the unwieldyness, to shoot two bullets. Just pull the trigger twice. But, from an engineering standpoint, it's interesting and kinda cool that they managed to do it. Oh, and since I can't actually see the video(work blocks U-toob) and so I don't know if that's what the clip is...the gun pops up in the latest Bond movie, Spectre, wielded by Mr. Hinx, the movie main henchman, an obvious and substandard attempt at remaking Jaws. No-one will EVER beat Richard Kiel. ...! Gott's Leetle Feesh in Trousers! |
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