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"FI/Diqiu: A Bride Too Far"
 
   So I had a seven-hour shift in the tool crib at my workstudy gig today, and in between serving up machine tools to desperate MET 312 students looking down the barrel of the end of the semester next week, I figured I'd use the time responsibly and plug away at a couple of ongoing projects that could use some love.

Instead, this happened, further demonstrating to me that I'm not actually in control of this stuff at all. I guess it's logical, though. A Fire to be Lighted was such a runaway hit, how could I not keep it going - I mean, you've gotta give the people what they want, right? :)

--G.
(Also, stay tuned for my upcoming Minis based on one-phoneme alterations of other Cornelius Ryan titles, The Wrongest Day and The Last Cattle.)


Xinqiliu, Wuyue 15, 285 ASC
Saturday, May 15, SY 2404
Shu Jing, Fire Nation
Dìqiú

The Spring Social: The time of closest alignment between the two secondary schools of Shu Jing, when the junior and senior students of the town's state high school traditionally hosted their counterparts from private Piandao Academy to a formal dance and reception. For the students from Piandao, generally outnumbered about three to one by the regionally aggregated community of Shu Jing High, it was a chance to spend an evening outside the walls of their academy and expand their networks a bit, while the youngsters from the state school regarded it as an opportunity to find out just what lurked within those imposing walls outside of town.

The occasion was usually a success, thanks to the concerted efforts of both faculties and Shu Jing High School's Student Activities Committee. In the forty years or so it had been happening, there had never been a serious incident, and there didn't look like being this time either... but not everyone was having a good time.

Karana, for instance, found herself mildly-to-moderately miserable within an hour or so of showing up. She had suspected she wouldn't enjoy the occasion, simply because she wasn't much for formal school dances in general. Piandao Academy held two internal ones per year, and after the first one she'd stopped going. She didn't own the right kind of clothes or know how to wear them, and while she was accomplished at some forms of dancing, the odds that it would be appropriate to haul out a qilaut and commence a proper Southern Water Tribe drum dance with it at such a function were slim at best, even if she had one.

The problem only worsened as she and her schoolmates entered their teens and the problems of romance, theoretical and practical, began cropping up. While she was friends - in many cases, very close friends - with all her classmates in Form Four and a good many students in the neighboring forms, she was attracted to very few of them, and none so strongly as to make her think it was worth the risk of acting on it. This made the courtship aspects of such occasions, growing ever more significant as they all advanced into adolescence, superfluous at best and dangerously irrelevant at worst; another reason to avoid them altogether.

It had been put to her that it would reflect badly on Form Four if any of them were to decline this invitation, however, and certain of her friends promised that she would warm to the occasion once she got there. So here she was, dressed up like she was going to someone's wedding, standing off to one side, and wondering vaguely why it made her feel slightly ill to see her roommate Azana dancing with that one senior from Shu Jing High. Azana was from Shu Jing, born and raised there, and so most of these kids were at least acquaintances of hers from primary school. It stood to reason that she'd mix with them most readily of all, and Karana certainly didn't grudge her roommate a good time just because she wasn't having one; but all the same, she couldn't quite bring herself to watch.

She waited until she absolutely could not bear the tedium and that weird, unidentifiable feeling any more, then slipped away and went back up to the Academy, reasonably confident that she'd shown the flag long enough for honor's sake. There was no one in the Form Four common room when she got back there, naturally. She selected her favorite of Master Sokka's books from the bookshelf, installed herself in the corner armchair she liked by the fireplace, and tried to read.

After twenty minutes of limited success, she was slightly surprised by the arrival of someone else. Without a word, Prince Shinzen entered the common room, crossed to the fireside, and threw himself down in the chair across from her with a sigh, unfastening the high collar of his Fire Army dress uniform as he did so.

"You're back early," said Karana, putting the book aside. "And you sound like I feel," she added wryly.

Shinzen rolled his eyes. In the last couple of years he'd grown like a stand of bamboo, more vertically than horizontally, and was now a tall and rangy young man with the distinctively bushy eyebrows and slightly unruly dark hair of his family line, the latter kept firmly under control with an industrial-strength topknot tie. Slumped in that partly-sprung armchair, he seemed even more leggy than usual, his knees nearly even with his chin.

"I never liked formal occasions much to begin with, but now that Cousin Katara is here, there seems even less point," he said. "She's the center of attention, and she likes it that way. It takes all the pressure off me, except from a certain breed of industrious young ladies. And their mothers," he added with a rueful smile. "One point in favor of the Academy - with very few exceptions, our parents are nowhere in sight."

"Ha, wow," said Karana. "Imagine the headlines. 'Shu Jing's Most Eligible Bachelor Wishes the Girls Would Just Leave Him Alone'." She shook her head, smiling.

"Like all satire, it's rooted in uncomfortable truth," Shinzen admitted. "At any rate, Katara's not old enough for the Spring Social, and so I suddenly found myself back at center stage. I'm afraid it all got a bit too much." He raised an eyebrow at her. "What about you? I'm surprised to see you here. I know you're not a big fan of dances generally, but this is a special occasion, and you're usually in favor of those," he added.

"Oh, sure, special," said Karana sarcastically. "It's real special to stand in one corner of a school gym and watch your best friend dance with some dude whose name you don't know. Sign me up for hours and hours of that."

Shinzen looked surprised. "Karana," he said. "Are you jealous?"

"No," Karana replied at once. "Don't be a dope. I'm not some psycho chick, I don't think I own 'Zana or anything. Even if we are roommates. And best friends." Unconsciously, she touched the necklace at her throat. "And we've been engaged since we were 12," she mumbled.

Shinzen blinked at her. "... Come again?"

"Did I say that last part out loud?" asked Karana, sounding genuinely startled. Her face went crimson through her dark skin. "I, uh... it's a long story. Actually that's a lie, it's a really short story, but... " She gestured vaguely. "We should probably not get into that."

"As you wish," said Shinzen, sounding faintly offended. Karana sighed. Even after all these years, the prince was still a little touchy about some things, and being considered unworthy of a confidence was one of them. Like all members of his family, he could get ever-so-slightly obsessive about others' perceptions of his honor.

"All right, fine, but not here," she said, rising.

They went to the top of the Academy's belltower, from which the changes of the academic day were rung; no danger of that happening on a Friday night. From here, a person could see for quite some distance into the surrounding countryside. Even the lights of Azana's mother's house, where she had refused to live since her father's death four years before, could just be made out in the distance if one knew where to look.

Sitting on the tower's low perimeter wall with her feet hanging down, her chin resting on her folded arms atop the iron railing, Karana explained about the first time she had taken Azana to her home in the Southern Water Tribe, that first winter break after General Izuno died. How Azana, out window shopping in the capital city on her first morning there, had bought a piece of jewelry on a whim and presented it to Karana, to thank her for her friendship and kindness through that difficult stage of her life.

"Of course she didn't know it was a betrothal necklace," said Karana. "She still doesn't, as far as I know. And technically she didn't make it, so depending on which angakkuk you ask it might not even count anyway. She just thought it was pretty and it would suit me, so she bought it for me. I knew that, I've always known that."

She turned her head to regard Shinzen, who sat beside her, listening with silent attention. "And it doesn't diminish the gift in any way," she insisted. "I need you to understand that."

Shinzen nodded gravely. "I understand," he said. Then, producing a small metal flask from within his unfastened dress coat, he offered it to her.

Karana took it, looking curious, and unscrewed the cap. "What's this?" she wondered, then sniffed experimentally and drew back, coughing. "Whoa."

"Caldera City dragon brandy," Shinzen said.

Karana eyed him. "Isn't that illegal if you're under 18?"

"Hello, Prince Shinzen here," said Shinzen sardonically. Then, with a slight smile, he said "My father sent it to me for 'medicinal purposes'. You sound like you could use a little."

Karana almost jokingly accused him of trying to get her drunk so he could take advantage of her, but managed to prevent herself from saying it. He would definitely take offense at an accusation like that, even one obviously made in jest. She sniffed the liquor suspiciously again, wincing at its acrid bite. Then, with a what-the-hell shrug, she took a drink.

It wasn't really that bad as a liquid; it burned a bit going down, but didn't make her gag or cough, and the sensation of spreading warmth when it hit bottom was really very nice indeed - worth the sting of the fumes in her nose at the beginning. She took another for good measure, then handed it back.

"Thanks," she said. "That's not bad." She smiled as the second hit sent another wave of warmth rippling through her center. "Oo, yeah, I could get used to that."

"I told you it was medicinal," said Shinzen, taking a drink of it himself. "Mind you," he added dryly, "I don't know how well my royal prerogative would stand up if Headmaster Changdao caught us."

"Well, we'll have to be careful, then," said Karana. "Anyway, where was I? Oh yeah. It doesn't diminish the gift in any way." She touched the necklace again, a sentimental smile flickering across her face, and went on, "This is my most treasured possession. You know I almost never take it off. And even though I know she doesn't know what it means... even though I'd never be so presumptuous as to hold her to it... even though I'm not sure I'm even really attracted to her that way... " She sighed, folding her arms on the rail and putting her head down on them again. "I guess I just enjoyed the idea that somehow I was hers and she was... mine." She chuckled darkly at herself. "I know, right? Talking about non-presumptuous."

Shinzen considered the matter seriously for a moment, then said, "Maybe you should tell her about it sometime."

Karana laughed hollowly. "Ha, sure, that'd work out fine. 'Oh, hey, 'Zana, by the way, you should probably know that I'm feeling weirdly possessive of you lately on account of you accidentally proposed marriage to me when we were 12, and it really hurt my feelings when you let that guy take you to the dance like that.'"

"Well," Shinzen allowed, "you might want to put it more diplomatically than that, but... " He took another swig of brandy; she held out her hand for it, had another slug herself, and handed it back.

"Ahh, I dunno, man," she said. "It's a silly, childish thing, but... I guess all this time I kinda cherished it, y'know? A little secret that I could hold next to my heart. Like it was fate or something. Like it meant that... 'Zana and me, we were life mates, and whatever happened, we'd always be together."

Shinzen slid a little closer on the wall and put his hand on her shoulder. "Karana," he said. "If you feel that strongly, then... 'that way' or not, you should tell her about it."

Karana turned to him, her face glum. "I'm scared, Shinzen," she admitted in a small, vulnerable voice. "I'm scared that it would all go wrong if i did that. That she'd think I was being weird. Or creepy. Or weird and creepy. That I was expecting something from her that she might not be willing... or even able... to give. Then we wouldn't be buddies any more. We'd be... this other thing, this not-quite-thing, and it'd never be right again." She shook her head, looking out at the night again. "I'd rather hide it than risk that."

She sighed. "At that age, I didn't understand what marriage even was, really. You know? What it meant. Just that I could see my parents were really happy in theirs. And... I wanted that for myself. For us - for her, because her parents never had it, and mine did, and I wanted her to see how amazing it was. It made me feel so good that I was able to make her happy when she was so miserable. I just... " She sighed again and closed her eyes, a tear leaking down one cheek. "I just want her to be happy."

"That... " Shinzen coughed, his voice catching in his throat, and tried again. "That might be the most beautiful thing I've ever heard," he said.

Surprised, she turned and looked at him again, and saw a tear making its way down his own face. "Shinzen," she said.

"I knew you were brave, and I've long suspected you had a noble heart," Shinzen went on. "I didn't realize it was so noble it could even trump your courage. I'm reasonably sure it would be the most beautiful thing Azana's ever heard, too. But if you dare not tell her... or if she's fool enough to reject you, which I very much doubt... then you could always do me the very great honor of agreeing to be my wife."

Karana stared at him for a second, then burst out laughing, her gloomy mood wiped away by the sheer hilarity of the suggestion. She laughed for almost a minute, the tears running down her face now born of mirth, until finally winding down with a long, slow sigh.

"Oh, man," she said. "Thanks, Shinzen. I needed that. Man, you really had me going for a second there." She reached and gave his shoulder a friendly shove, then blinked as he didn't react to it. Looking more closely in the dark, she saw that he'd gone all stony-faced, like he did when he thought someone might have impugned his honor. "... Oh," she said.

"Perhaps I should leave you with your thoughts," he said stiffly, extricating himself from between the railing and the wall. "Good night, Karana."

"Shinzen, wait," she said, scrambling up and darting to intercept him before he could reach the stairs. "I'm sorry, OK? I wasn't laughing at you. Or, well, I was, but it was because I thought you were joking and you wanted me to. I wouldn't have done it if I knew you were serious. Come on, you know me better than that."

Shinzen paused, relaxing a little, but his words were still deliberate and a little stilted as he replied, "Why would you assume I would joke about a thing like that?"

"Uh, because I didn't think you could possibly be serious?" Karana asked in reply. "I mean... " She hesitated, gesturing vaguely. "I mean how could you possibly be serious? Do you remember the first thing you ever said to me?"

"I was eleven!" Shinzen burst out, his stiffly offended façade falling away.

Karana giggled. "So you do remember," she said, giving his shoulder another push, and this time he responded to it, rocking back on his heel and smiling a little in spite of himself.

"I've changed my opinion since then," he said. "I've changed a lot of my opinions, and in large part I owe that to you. You're the one who first opened my eyes and showed me what a parochial ass I was. How much more of the world there was than just the Capital and Ember Island. I'm preparing for my uncle's diplomatic service now, you know, because of you... " He cracked a wry little smile. "... and the lesser of your thumbs."

She chuckled, a little more soberly, at the memory, then said, "It's a long way from losing a thumb war to proposing marriage."

"I know," said Shinzen. "But that's how far I've come." He took her hand. "That's how far you've brought me."

"I... " Karana shook her head. "No. Shinzen, I'm sorry, but there's... there's just no way. I respect you too much to sugar-coat it. I like you a lot - you're one of my best friends - and I'm glad you think I've made such a difference in your life, but there's no way I would ever marry you."

Shinzen considered that, then arched an eyebrow and asked wryly, "Would it be putting you on the spot to ask why?"

Karana sighed. "You really want me to do this?" she asked.

"On the whole, I think I'd rather know," the prince replied.

"OK, then. Basically, there are three reasons. A, I know I don't like you that way, sorry, but I don't. B, you couldn't pay me to sign up for the princess thing - no way, no how. And C," she added with a dark little grin, "your father would have us both killed, if your mother didn't get us first."

Shinzen snorted, amused in spite of himself. "There is that," he conceded. He sighed. "Ah, well. It was worth asking."

They went downstairs and made their way through the dimly lit, mazelike corridors of the school to the Form Four students' bedrooms, in the west wing. The building was dark and quiet; the students in the lower grades had all retired, and the others weren't back from the dance yet.

They reached room 44, the one Karana had shared with Azana for six years and would for one more yet, and paused at the door to take their leave of one another.

"Well... good night, Shinzen," said Karana. "Thanks for cheering me up... even if you didn't entirely mean to. I'm sorry I laughed at you."

"It's all right," Shinzen replied. "Forget it." Tilting his head thoughtfully, he asked, "Are we still good?"

Karana grinned. "We're still good," she said.

"You don't think I'm weird? Or creepy?"

"No."

Shinzen's teeth showed in a little grin of his own. "Well, there you are, then."

Karana gave him a puzzled frown, then blinked as she realized what he was getting at. "You son of a - " she sputtered. "Was that all just to get me thinking about - "

"No," Shinzen assured her. "I was quite serious. That was an... unexpected side benefit." He took her hand and, bowing in his most princely manner, kissed it. "Good night, Karana."

"Oh, c'mere," she said, and hauled him into a hug. "G'night, Shinzen. I'll see you in the morning. And... thanks again."

The luminous dial of the clock on Karana's bedside stand said it was two hours later when she woke again, at the fall of a dim rectangle of light across the head of her bed from the opened room door.

"'Zana?" she mumbled. "Is that you?"

"Sorry," said Azana, standing barefoot in the doorway with her shoes hanging by their ankle straps from one hand. "I didn't mean to wake you."

"'sOK," Karana said, sitting up and blinking. "I kind of hoped you would."

Azana put her shoes down by the door and shut it behind her, cutting off the low hallway light, then turned on her desk lamp at its lowest setting to give her enough light to undress by. "When did you leave the dance?" she wondered as she made her way out of her complicated formal dress. "I didn't see you go."

"You were pretty busy slow dancing with what's-his-face," said Karana, trying and failing not to sound bitter.

Azana paused, glancing at her, then finished taking the dress off and hung it in her wardrobe. That done, she padded across the room in her slip and sat down on the end of Karana's bed. Just enough moonlight filtered through the half-closed blinds on the window overlooking the bed for her to make out the basic outline of her roommate's face.

"What's wrong?" she asked. "You sound upset. Did something happen after you left?" She sniffed thoughtfully at the air. "Is that brandy?"

"No. Yes. I mean it is brandy, but nothing happened after I left. Well, nothing major. I mean, Shinzen asked me to marry him, but I said no."

"Oh." Azana blinked at her in the gloom. "What?!"

Just like that, it all came pouring out of Karana, starting with her brown study in the common room and ending with the aftermath of Prince Shinzen's spur-of-the-moment marriage proposal, along with everything in between. At the end, Karana wept silently in the dark, not daring to even open her eyes and see Azana's reaction, certain that she had just wrecked the best and brightest friendship she was ever, ever going to have.

She jumped, uttering an involuntary sound, as a cool hand touched her neck, fingertips sliding across her throat to touch the carved gem on the front of her necklace.

"I found out what it really was two years ago," Azana said quietly. "For a while I wondered why you never told me of my mistake. Then I remembered something your mother said. Do you remember? She asked you where it came from, and you told her I had given it to you... "

Karana chuckled, the sound half a sob, since she still didn't know whether she should be crying. "And she said, 'Well, as long as you're happy, sweetie.' I remember." She sniffled. "That's why she's the best mom ever."

"Yes she is," Azana agreed. "Since that very day, even though I didn't understand that exchange for years, I've wished she could be my mother too."

"Well... she kind of... can be?" said Karana hesitantly.

"Once I realized that," Azana went on as if she hadn't said anything, "I thought about it for a while, and I finally came to the conclusion that if I had inadvertently asked you to marry me, and you not only hadn't disabused me of my mistake, but told your mother about it with such pride in your voice and such a smile on your face... who was I to go back on a thing like that? At best it would be wretchedly dishonorable of me."

Karana blinked, wiping at her tears. "Azana... what are you saying?"

"I'm saying... I don't know exactly what I'm saying," Azana admitted. "There are certain aspects of marriage that I don't think either of us was fully cognizant of at 12, and I'm not sure where I stand on those matters yet."

"Well, no, me neither," Karana conceded.

"But I do know that a big part of it is about love and trust, being able to count on each other, and making each other happy just by being together. All things that my parents never had, and yours enjoy every day." She smiled slightly - Karana could just make it out in the dark - and took both of her roommate's hands in hers. "As my half-brother Zurin would say, I'd be a damnable scrub to turn up my nose at that just because I'm not sure about the details." She looked Karana in the eyes, her smile becoming a little sly, and added, "I am not a damnable scrub."

Karana gazed at her for a moment, eyes going wide; then tears flooded them again for entirely different reasons. She lunged forward, throwing her arms around Azana, and both fell over on the bed.

After weeping happily on her shoulder for a few moments, Karana raised her head to look at Azana again and asked her, "What about what's-his-face?"

"Ikeza?" Azana replied, arching an eyebrow. "I hardly think he need enter into our calculations. He tried to kiss me without permission at the end of the dance, and I smacked him so hard his father probably felt it. I doubt he'll ever speak to me again." Noting the startled look on Karana's face, Azana worked her near arm under her and gave her a squeeze, remarking dryly, "It was only a dance, 'Rana. You're the one who was thinking about her marriage prospects tonight."

Karana sniffle-giggled and put her head down again. Presently their awkward position - half-sitting, half-lying with their legs still hanging off the front of Karana's narrow bed - grew too uncomfortable, and they rearranged themselves so that they were stretched fully out, side by side. There was just enough space, so there they lay, quiet and comfortable, until Azana demonstrated that she wasn't planning to go anywhere by tugging the covers over them both.

"I don't know exactly where we go from here," she said quietly.

"Neither do I," Karana agreed.

"I know this much, though," Azana continued. "Wherever it is... we'll go there together."

"Together," said Karana. "I like that. 'Zana?"

"Yes?"

A pause, the barest hesitation, and then, "I love you."

Azana smiled and kissed her once, very gently, very chastely.

"And I love you, Karana," she said. "Good night."

"A Bride Too Far" - A Future Imperfect/Dìqiú Mini-Story by Benjamin D. Hutchins
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   Okay, I love the ending to this. Really sweet.

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   >Okay, I love the ending to this. Really sweet.
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This. So very much, this.


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   I'm tearing up here, no lie.
My best to the both of them.


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   I'm just gonna be over here melting into a puddle now.

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   > A Fire to be Lighted was such a runaway hit, how could I not keep it going -
> I mean, you've gotta give the people what they want, right?

I've been busy - but I've been enjoying everything you've been putting up.

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   Sure got dusty in here all of a sudden...


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6. "RE: FI/Diqiu: A Bride Too Far"
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   >Sure got dusty in here all of a sudden...

it's the onions

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   >Sure got dusty in here all of a sudden...

Just my allergies acting up.

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   As they say in other parts of the 'net... pow! Right in the feels.

That was really nice and a wonderful cap to a generally lousy week. (Not lousy from EPU work; lousy on my end). I needed that. Thank you.

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   I can honestly say that this, hands down, is the best bit of writing I've ever read of yours, Gryph. Well done.


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>(Also, stay tuned for my upcoming Minis based on
>one-phoneme alterations of other Cornelius Ryan titles, The
>Wrongest Day
and The Last Cattle.)

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>(Also, stay tuned for my upcoming Minis based on
>one-phoneme alterations of other Cornelius Ryan titles, The
>Wrongest Day
and The Last Cattle.)

If these don't actually come to pass, I will be very, very disappointed.

>She didn't own the right kind of clothes or know how to wear them,

I choose to believe that later in life, Korra, who knows how to rock her some awesome formal wear (say what you will about the wisdom of allowing Tarrlok to throw your coming out party, Korra was working that dress like damn, girl) gave Karana some help-slash-hand-me-downs in this arena.

> So here she was, dressed up like she was going to someone's
>wedding, standing off to one side, and wondering vaguely why it made
>her feel slightly ill to see her roommate Azana dancing with that one
>senior from Shu Jing High.

This is the part where I thought the story would go a certain way, and then the story didn't go that way!

I love it when that happens.

>She selected her
>favorite of Master Sokka's books from the bookshelf, installed herself
>in the corner armchair she liked by the fireplace, and tried to read.

Headcanon: Crazy From the Heat, which she discovered only after arriving in the Fire Nation was both incredibly out of date and may not have been entirely accurate even when it first went into print. Azana has never, ever shared with anyone else Karana's first, disastrous attempts to use Fire Nation slang.

>After twenty minutes of limited success, she was slightly surprised by
>the arrival of someone else. Without a word, Prince Shinzen entered
>the common room, crossed to the fireside, and threw himself down in
>the chair across from her with a sigh, unfastening the high collar of
>his Fire Army dress uniform as he did so.

Those mandarin collars look snazzy but speaking from experience, wearing them for long periods of time, especially if its warm out, is just plain uncomfortable.

But they do look pretty amazing, if you have the neck for it.

>"I never liked formal occasions much to begin with, but now that
>Cousin Katara is here, there seems even less point," he said. "She's
>the center of attention, and she likes it that way.

Because I'm... well, me, I can't help but wonder at the politics of sending the heir to the throne off to a secluded private school rather than the Royal Fire Academy. :)

> "And we've been engaged since
>we were 12,
" she mumbled.
>
>Shinzen blinked at her. "... Come again?"

The judges would also have accepted "Wait, what?"

>Shinzen nodded gravely. "I understand," he said. Then, producing a
>small metal flask from within his unfastened dress coat, he offered it
>to her.

You know, I don't know what Katara is like, or Shinzen's uncle. And I certainly wouldn't wish them harm. And admittedly Shinzen is really young still.

But this is the first time where I thought "You know, Shinzen would make a pretty solid Fire Lord. If the worst happens to his cousin, the Fire Nation is in good hands."

I don't have much truck with autocratic systems of governance, but if they're gonna be around they could do worse than this guy.

>"Hello, Prince Shinzen here," said Shinzen sardonically. Then,
>with a slight smile, he said "My father sent it to me for 'medicinal
>purposes'. You sound like you could use a little."

Shinzen's dad: also awesome.

Also, putting my liquor nerd hat on: I posit, from the name and its effects on Karana, that this drink is either a kind of double-distilled baijiu or isn't a brandy at all and is in fact a scotch.

>"Ahh, I dunno, man," she said. "It's a silly, childish thing, but...
>I guess all this time I kinda cherished it, y'know? A little secret
>that I could hold next to my heart. Like it was fate or something.
>Like it meant that... 'Zana and me, we were life mates, and
>whatever happened, we'd always be together."

I have many thoughts on this, which in the interests of conciseness I'll put all in one big block down at the end.

>"I knew you were brave, and I've long suspected you had a noble
>heart," Shinzen went on. "I didn't realize it was so noble it
>could even trump your courage. I'm reasonably sure it would be the
>most beautiful thing Azana's ever heard, too. But if you dare not
>tell her... or if she's fool enough to reject you, which I very
>much doubt... then you could always do me the very great honor of
>agreeing to be my wife."

Man, I really do heart Shinzen. Dude is earning that Prince title, I'll tell you what.

>"I was eleven!" Shinzen burst out, his stiffly offended façade
>falling away.

Theeeeeere's the Zuko genes.


>"You don't think I'm weird? Or creepy?"
>
>"No."

Well... she doesn't think he's weird for wanting to marry her. :)

>Shinzen's teeth showed in a little grin of his own. "Well, there you
>are, then."
>
>Karana gave him a puzzled frown, then blinked as she realized what he
>was getting at. "You son of a - " she sputtered. "Was that all just
>to get me thinking about - "
>
>"No," Shinzen assured her. "I was quite serious. That was an...
>unexpected side benefit." He took her hand and, bowing in his most
>princely manner, kissed it. "Good night, Karana."

Shinzen is going to do very, very well in the diplomatic corps. Might I express the hope that at some point in the future he is chosen as Diqiu's representative to slash member of the Babylon Foundation?

>A pause, the barest hesitation, and then, "I love you."
>
>Azana smiled and kissed her once, very gently, very chastely.
>
>"And I love you, Karana," she said. "Good night."

So that happened.

Aside from just generally being busy as all hell (seriously, fuck the holidays) part of the reason I held off talking about this for so long was I was having a bit of a time putting my feelings about everything in it into words. I've probably still failed at that, frankly, but we're none of us getting any younger here.

Anyway. Nickel summary: I think you've got something very special going on with Azana and Karana here, Ben, and I'd encourage you to explore it more.

To unpack that... I really, really love that you've introduced a couple who are romantically in love with each other (and it seems clear, at least to me, that Azana and Karana do have a romantic relationship, just as it was very clear to everyone and their duck that Corwin and Utena did back in the day) but have no need or desire to express that love physically, which is something that most people usually figures goes hand in hand with a romantic relationship and start wondering what precisely is "wrong" with it that there is no bed-sharing or sexy makeouts happening.

It's like... that's a thing that happens, you know, but it isn't something you see represented a lot in media or even discussed a lot. A lot of people will still maintain it's something that isn't even really possible, usually people who think wondering smugly if men and women can ever really just be friends is proof they're a sort of deep thinker. I don't precisely know where either of them lie on the Kinsey scale (although, frankly, Azana strikes me as being pretty ace; that could just be me though) but I do like how where their various bits might or might not fit is completely and totally irrelevant to what's between them.

Early on in this, I was thinking I had it nailed; "Oh, Azana and Karana are like Juri and Kaitlyn used to be; they're keeping it incredibly low-key in public, which is why we didn't see it much over in the Symphony proper." And then I was very much surprised to find out that it's both different and a hell of a lot more complicated than that.

(This is not to say that what Juri and Kaitlyn have is by any means simple, but compared to Corwin and her parents Kaitlyn's love life is positively staid.)

And I love that so much. It's this weird beautiful thing that happened between them and isn't at all what either of them expected but is still so, so good.

But this all might just be me.

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13. "RE: FI/Diqiu: A Bride Too Far"
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>>She selected her
>>favorite of Master Sokka's books from the bookshelf, installed herself
>>in the corner armchair she liked by the fireplace, and tried to read.
>
>Headcanon: Crazy From the Heat

That probably is Karana's favorite of Sokka's books that are actually in the Piandao Academy collection, yeah (if it's not The Adventures of Snow Savage and Dirt Girl, which is funnier). Her absolute favorite Sokka book, In Touch with My Feminine Side: Adventures on Kyoshi Island, is... not widely considered suitable for school-age audiences, but there's a copy in Korra's library in Senna, so Karana read it long before she understood much of it.

>Because I'm... well, me, I can't help but wonder at the
>politics of sending the heir to the throne off to a secluded private
>school rather than the Royal Fire Academy. :)

When she passed the entrance exam and received the offer, Katara insisted that she be allowed to accept it. If you're the crown princess and you go to the Royal Fire Academy, some people will always assume in the backs of their minds (and some in the fronts, come to it) that there's a simple causal relationship there. If you go to Piandao Academy, that's prima facie proof you've got chops.

>You know, I don't know what Katara is like, or Shinzen's uncle.

Katara's nice. Bit pushy, like her namesake. Oddly dark for a Fire National. Makes some people wonder a little.

Her father's kind of a jerk, but given the historical precedents, a Fire Lord who is only kind of a jerk is cause for worldwide celebration. :)

>But this is the first time where I thought "You know, Shinzen would
>make a pretty solid Fire Lord. If the worst happens to his cousin, the
>Fire Nation is in good hands."

Possibly. He'd hate it, though.

>Also, putting my liquor nerd hat on: I posit, from the name and its
>effects on Karana, that this drink is either a kind of
>double-distilled baijiu or isn't a brandy at all and is in fact
>a scotch.

They call it dragon brandy because "dragon whiskey" sounds déclassé.

>Shinzen is going to do very, very well in the diplomatic corps. Might
>I express the hope that at some point in the future he is chosen as
>Diqiu's representative to slash member of the Babylon Foundation?

In the event that Dìqiú one day has a delegate to the Babylon Foundation, one suspects he'll at least be on the short list, though being a member of the Fire Nation royal family, he'll be up against some fairly stiff opposition from e.g. everybody else in the world.

>To unpack that... I really, really love that you've introduced a
>couple who are romantically in love with each other...
>but have no need or desire to express that love physically

I'm happy to accept the love, but I should note that I didn't specifically set out to Make That Statement or anything. I didn't design them to be this way, it just sort of... happened. And while it's good that it resonates, that does entail a certain pressure. More in this line in a moment.

>I don't precisely know where either of them
>lie on the Kinsey scale (although, frankly, Azana strikes me as being
>pretty ace; that could just be me though)

I'm... not sure what you mean here. I mean, I know what the Kinsey scale is, but I'm unfamiliar with this usage of "ace". I should note, though, that (Azera's assumptions to the contrary) I'm reasonably certain Azana, as the adult we know ca. 2410, has fewer than five kills. As it were.

If you mean "I think she's about a 1* on the Kinsey scale**", I would tend to agree. One of the things Juni-chan keeps telling herself in her ongoing effort not to get utterly distracted by her teenage hormonal response to her firebending sifu is, "Forget it, forget it, she's probably straight anyway." In fact, I think it's more like about a 75-25 split, but don't tell the poor girl, it'd just get her hopes up.

>And I love that so much. It's this weird beautiful thing that happened
>between them and isn't at all what either of them expected but is
>still so, so good.
>
>But this all might just be me.

No, I think that's a fair summary of the situation so far. The irony here, not visible to anyone outside the studio at the moment, is that I've had a lot of trouble with characters wandering off on their own in matters of romantic love and attraction and whatnot in the last few weeks, and A Fire to be Lighted/A Bride Too Far happened right in the middle of it all. It was a bit of unexpected magic to me, as well, and so I'm pleased that it's come across that way.

The only potential problem is that one may now feel rather obliged to resist future evolutions of a similar kind if they turn out to run in particular directions, which is a bit double-edged given that The Story So Far has occurred in such an unplanned and organic fashion in its own right. I have no inkling that it will do any such thing at the moment, but then, I didn't know it was going to develop in the first place. Still, it is what it is and it does what it does.

One interesting side effect of all this is that we met Azana and Karana as adults before any of this had happened (as it were), and so now there's a peculiar sort of discontinuity in place. Why, for instance, does Azana live alone in Republic City? They've obviously not had some kind of catastrophic falling-out, and yet despite being professional and personal life partners, they seem to have chosen to live apart after graduating from school. There's probably an explanation for that, but I haven't happened across it yet.

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14. "RE: FI/Diqiu: A Bride Too Far"
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   >
>One interesting side effect of all this is that we met Azana and
>Karana as adults before any of this had happened (as it were), and so
>now there's a peculiar sort of discontinuity in place. Why, for
>instance, does Azana live alone in Republic City? They've obviously
>not had some kind of catastrophic falling-out, and yet despite
>being professional and personal life partners, they seem to
>have chosen to live apart after graduating from school. There's
>probably an explanation for that, but I haven't happened across it
>yet.

It -does- kind of beg the question, doesn't it?

It calls to my mind the idea of people who are as much in love with the idea of romance as romantically entwined with each other - that they're (still, or maybe again) enjoying the early stages, dating, having fun, falling into bed at one's place or the other if they're inclined to, but otherwise generally being their own people rather than part of Azana-and-Karana.

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   >** As opposed to the Scoville scale, where she's at least a
>100,000.

Well played, sir.

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16. "RE: FI/Diqiu: A Bride Too Far"
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> If you're the crown
>princess and you go to the Royal Fire Academy, some people will always
>assume in the backs of their minds (and some in the fronts, come to
>it) that there's a simple causal relationship there.

Yeah, that's one of those tricky situations, isn't it?

>Katara's nice. Bit pushy, like her namesake. Oddly dark for a Fire National.

Not unheard of. Piandao could have passed for a Water Tribesman, if he'd been so inclined.

The rump of Fire Nation reactionaries probably find all manner of excused to "wonder" about members of the royal family who aren't complete pre-Zuko throwbacks, really. Sort of how you get British old boys who still wonder aloud why the Royal Family has to do all this disgusting hob-nobbing with the commons, back in grandfathers day you just had to make a Christmas speech and maybe shake the hands of a few tradesmen who'd been cleaned up for the occasion.

>In the event that Dìqiú one day has a delegate to the Babylon
>Foundation, one suspects he'll at least be on the short list, though
>being a member of the Fire Nation royal family, he'll be up against
>some fairly stiff opposition from e.g. everybody else in the world.

Stiff opposition from everybody else in the world hasn't usually stopped the Fire Nation in any of their endeavors. :)

>>To unpack that... I really, really love that you've introduced a
>>couple who are romantically in love with each other...
>>but have no need or desire to express that love physically
>
>I'm happy to accept the love, but I should note that I didn't
>specifically set out to Make That Statement or anything.

Yeah, but when it did happen you let it happen. So, you know. Props for that.

>>I don't precisely know where either of them
>>lie on the Kinsey scale (although, frankly, Azana strikes me as being
>>pretty ace; that could just be me though)
>
>I'm... not sure what you mean here. I mean, I know what the Kinsey
>scale is, but I'm unfamiliar with this usage of "ace". I should note,
>though, that (Azera's assumptions to the contrary) I'm reasonably
>certain Azana, as the adult we know ca. 2410, has fewer than five
>kills. As it were.

Oh! Uh, right. My bad; I spend a lot of time immersed in social justice circles, I forget that the lingo isn't universal.

I was clearly wrong about this, as your below notes indicate, but "ace" is shorthand for "asexual", as in, "Azana struck me as really not caring very much about putting her bits on other peoples bits or vice-versa."

>If you mean "I think she's about a 1* on the Kinsey scale**", I would
>tend to agree. One of the things Juni-chan keeps telling herself in
>her ongoing effort not to get utterly distracted by her teenage
>hormonal response to her firebending sifu is, "Forget it, forget it,
>she's probably straight anyway." In fact, I think it's more like
>about a 75-25 split, but don't tell the poor girl, it'd just get her
>hopes up.

Awww, Juniper continues to be completely adorable.

>No, I think that's a fair summary of the situation so far. The irony
>here, not visible to anyone outside the studio at the moment, is that
>I've had a lot of trouble with characters wandering off on
>their own in matters of romantic love and attraction and whatnot in
>the last few weeks, and A Fire to be Lighted/A Bride Too Far
>happened right in the middle of it all. It was a bit of unexpected
>magic to me, as well, and so I'm pleased that it's come across that
>way.

Characters wandering off on you seems like its probably one of the biggest "problems" with your particular writing style, which has always struck as largely being driven by your heart rather than your head. (No judgment, just making a statement.) Suddenly looking up from the bottom of a fifty thousand word pit you've dug and going "Well, shit" is an experience I've never had but doesn't really strike me as being all that pleasant.

>One interesting side effect of all this is that we met Azana and
>Karana as adults before any of this had happened (as it were), and so
>now there's a peculiar sort of discontinuity in place. Why, for
>instance, does Azana live alone in Republic City? They've obviously
>not had some kind of catastrophic falling-out, and yet despite
>being professional and personal life partners, they seem to
>have chosen to live apart after graduating from school. There's
>probably an explanation for that, but I haven't happened across it
>yet.

Y'know, I know you hate doing this, but speaking as a reader, as long as it doesn't cause a failure cascade across multiple works, I have no particular issue with you going back and doing edits and revisions to stuff that's out in the wild after the fact.

It's like... well, over in the Diqiu Featured Doc, where Korra sends that email to the Chief letting him know his boys got some vital facts about the Water Tribes wrong? That was quite an elegant fix and it was funny, to boot. But if you couldn't come up with an elegant fix, there'd have been nothing wrong with simply changing the document post facto and proceeding from there.

So if you were to decide "No, fuck it, I don't want to try and write around this; I'm going to take an evening and do some editing work on the Symphony, move Azana and Karana in together and tidy up some other stuff" that would be an option, you know. At least from my perspective.

Having said all that... there's also nothing wrong with an entirely prosaic explanation along the lines of "When Karana went back home for a year and Azana moved to the City, the latter backed into landing a totally awesome rent-controlled apartment in an amazing part of the city she'd be a complete idiot to give up, but which is unsuitable to the two of them living together as a unit. They're currently trying to figure things out, and Azana certainly has the cash to remodel, but the building is a historical landmark and there's paperwork involved before you can start messing with load-bearing walls."

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17. "RE: FI/Diqiu: A Bride Too Far"
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   >I was clearly wrong about this, as your below notes indicate, but
>"ace" is shorthand for "asexual", as in, "Azana struck me as really
>not caring very much about putting her bits on other peoples bits or
>vice-versa."

Oh. Yeah, no, not the case at all. She's just... discreet and particular. And perfectly willing to wait as long as necessary. Like an ambush predator! ... OK, bad simile.

>Characters wandering off on you seems like its probably one of the
>biggest "problems" with your particular writing style

It's not usually a problem, or at least not a net problem, because it's where - as a co-worker of mine at an old tech job was forever saying of a particular bit of the product - the magic happens; but it does occasionally get complicated. Partly because I'm not operating in a vacuum, and when things start taking really unexpected corners I do tend to get the people who are being thrown against their straps in the other seats demanding, "What are you doing, man?!" :)

>always struck as largely being driven by your heart rather than your
>head.

Well, yeah, I mean if I wanted to write from my head, I'd get a job documenting software. Meh.

>Suddenly looking up from
>the bottom of a fifty thousand word pit you've dug and going "Well,
>shit" is an experience I've never had but doesn't really strike me as
>being all that pleasant.

It's not pleasant at all, but it is occasionally interesting, and sometimes leads to thinks that are pleasant.

>So if you were to decide "No, fuck it, I don't want to try and write
>around this; I'm going to take an evening and do some editing work on
>the Symphony, move Azana and Karana in together and tidy up some other
>stuff" that would be an option, you know. At least from my
>perspective.

It's a relict habit from when we worked on USENET, I suppose. Once something was released in those days, it was like a television program - once broadcast, you can't get it back, and there's something rather unwholesome about making major edits for the rebroadcast or home video release. It smacks of studio cuts pandering to test audiences and suchlike entertainment-industry shenanigans somehow.

The case has altered now that we're operating mainly in a self-maintained web archive sort of environment; people's personal offline copies would fall out of date, but there is at least a home base, somewhere to point and say, "Official version's here, if you care, and later bits will follow thereon." That, and the fact that the new idea was so much better than the old one, was what finally enabled me to justify throwing out Secrets and replacing it with Manhunt, for instance.

I still don't much like doing it, though. It still feels like cheating, and besides, it's a duplication of effort. With all that I've got to do, and entirely new things to do cropping up occasionally more often than I really want them, to spend time and internal capital going back and rewriting (and re-recording!) big chunks of existing piece just doesn't seem like a wise use of either one, even assuming there's anything wise about the entire process in the first place. :)

>Having said all that... there's also nothing wrong with an entirely
>prosaic explanation along the lines of "When Karana went back home for
>a year and Azana moved to the City, the latter backed into landing a
>totally awesome rent-controlled apartment in an amazing part of the
>city she'd be a complete idiot to give up, but which is unsuitable to
>the two of them living together as a unit. They're currently trying to
>figure things out, and Azana certainly has the cash to remodel, but
>the building is a historical landmark and there's paperwork involved
>before you can start messing with load-bearing walls."

Yeah... it's probably something in that vein.

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18. "RE: FI/Diqiu: A Bride Too Far"
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>Oh. Yeah, no, not the case at all. She's just... discreet and
>particular. And perfectly willing to wait as long as necessary. Like
>an ambush predator! ... OK, bad simile.

Or, because she's from the Fire Nation, an awesome simile.

>Well, yeah, I mean if I wanted to write from my head, I'd get a job
>documenting software. Meh.

Apropos of nothing, software documentation? My dream job. Yes please. Especially if I also got to do post-documentation updates and support with the end users. Oh my god, yes.

-Merc
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25. "RE: FI/Diqiu: A Bride Too Far"
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   LAST EDITED ON Jan-07-14 AT 11:38 PM (EST)
 
>Yeah... it's probably something in that vein.

In fact, I think I have it: They're waiting for the people on the floor below Azana's flat to move out, which they are planning to do when their lease is up at the end of the year. Then Karana's in there like a shot, and they can start thinking about stairs and whatever at their leisure. In the meantime, her little tiny place down by the harborfront is... well, it's cheap, is what it is, and there's nothing in there worth stealing if it gets broken into when she's not at home, which is most of the time. :)

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26. "RE: FI/Diqiu: A Bride Too Far"
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   >In the meantime, her little tiny place down by the
>harborfront is... well, it's cheap, is what it is, and there's nothing
>in there worth stealing if it gets broken into when she's not at home,
>which is most of the time. :)

Is it really "breaking and entering" if you just leave it unlocked all the time? (My father did that with his car when he lived on the edge of a sketchy neighborhood when I was a kid. Took everything of value - including the carphone - and just left it unlocked. Still had to replace the passenger-side window twice. Some people just don't check.)

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27. "RE: FI/Diqiu: A Bride Too Far"
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   >Is it really "breaking and entering" if you just leave it unlocked all
>the time?

Yes. It's "breaking" in the sense of breaking the metaphysical integrity of the thing. Opening a door or gate counts. Sometimes just crossing a boundary does.

>(My father did that with his car when he lived on the edge of a sketchy
>neighborhood when I was a kid. Took everything of value - including the
>carphone - and just left it unlocked. Still had to replace the passenger-side
>window twice. Some people just don't check.)

One of my friends had his car stolen three times in a week. The third time it was abandoned about 100yds down the road in the middle of the road. After that they gave up trying to steal it.

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19. "RE: FI/Diqiu: A Bride Too Far"
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   >The rump of Fire Nation reactionaries probably find all manner of
>excused to "wonder" about members of the royal family who aren't
>complete pre-Zuko throwbacks, really. Sort of how you get British old
>boys who still wonder aloud why the Royal Family has to do all this
>disgusting hob-nobbing with the commons, back in grandfathers day you
>just had to make a Christmas speech and maybe shake the hands of a few
>tradesmen who'd been cleaned up for the occasion.

Given the timing? Yeah, that's pretty apt.

The British Royal Family are, I suspect, quite happy that the tail end of the two century era when they were one of the crown jewels of the extended and interwoven German royal families is now passing out of living memory, having spend going on a century firmly being very very English.

The Fire Nation Royals, I suspect, spent Zuko's lifetime equally firmly going that extra mile to insist that the period of being world-conquerers was just an brief blip in their long history of enlightened monarchy and btw let's endow a hospital in the Republic.

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20. "RE: FI/Diqiu: A Bride Too Far"
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   >The British Royal Family are, I suspect, quite happy that the tail end
>of the two century era when they were one of the crown jewels of the
>extended and interwoven German royal families is now passing out of
>living memory, having spend going on a century firmly being very very
>English.

"Really? Kinging is a precarious business these days. Where's the Russian Tsar? Where's Cousin Wilhelm?"

>The Fire Nation Royals, I suspect, spent Zuko's lifetime equally
>firmly going that extra mile to insist that the period of being
>world-conquerers was just an brief blip in their long history of
>enlightened monarchy and btw let's endow a hospital in the Republic.

Well, by all appearances, the Fire Nation royal family at the beginning of Zuko's reign basically consisted of himself and his uncle, until such time as the former got to work securing the dynasty. For much of his lifetime, therefore, one expects he was pretty directly setting the tone. Which probably didn't work so well at first, since that is Zuko's dharma, but there it is. :)

--G.
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21. "RE: FI/Diqiu: A Bride Too Far"
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>"Really? Kinging is a precarious business these days. Where's the
>Russian Tsar? Where's Cousin Wilhelm?"

You know, the part of me that takes history seriously loathes that movie (Elizabeth Bowes-Lyon was a terrible human being and Winston Churchill was an embarrassing Edward VIII dead-ender, and that's just for starters) but can never quite seem to make me not watch it whenever the opportunity to do so arises.

It is a conundrum.

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22. "RE: FI/Diqiu: A Bride Too Far"
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   >It is a conundrum.

That's your own brain joining the queue to tell you to lighten up a little. And don't be badmouthing Churchill in my house.

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23. "RE: FI/Diqiu: A Bride Too Far"
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   >That's your own brain joining the queue to tell you to lighten up a
>little. And don't be badmouthing Churchill in my house.

Hey, much respect to Winston, but it's not like the man lead a life free of some truly bad decisions. :)

-Merc
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Most people like to bring up Gallipoli. That's way to easy and it's a low blow besides. What you do is open with Kenya and follow up with him using the excuse of a war being on to shiv political enemies. Keeps people guessing. You won't win the argument, because Winston Churchill is Winston goddamn Churchill, but you can make a pretty good showing and it makes people think.


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24. "RE: FI/Diqiu: A Bride Too Far"
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   LAST EDITED ON Jan-07-14 AT 09:43 AM (EST)
 
>Hey, much respect to Winston, but it's not like the man lead a life
>free of some truly bad decisions. :)

Given that we were just talking about Fire Lord Zuko, at least there is symmetry.

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