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Kendra Kirai
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"Rewatching Evangelion, plus movies... (Spoilers)"
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LAST EDITED ON Oct-17-22 AT 10:14 AM (EDT) So, I was terminally bored this week, so I decided to re-watch Evangelion for the first time in like 20 years, and I find it just as meh as I did back then.BUT, in the Rebuilds, I've noticed some almost certainly coincidental similarities between Rebuild 1 and 2 and NXE. Spoilers ahead, if anybody still gives a crap about NGE, but *somehow* hasn't seen it yet. For the uninitiated, Rebuild 1 is basically a condensed retelling of the first five episodes of the series, but everything is slightly different, slightly *wrong*. The oceans are blood red. The moon has a red streak on it - It honestly looks similar to how it was left at the end of End of Evangelion - and Sachiel is noted as being the *fourth* Angel, with all of the numbering being likewise advanced one. Then, Rebuild 2 starts going off the rails, with an Angel being fought off by a new girl in a Provisional Mark 5 EVA, trying to escape from a base where it was I guess being dissected for years, and then Tokyo-3 getting attacked by a completely new Angel that looks kinda like a drinky bird, which Asuka takes out on her own while airdropping from the sky. ALSO airdropping from the sky is Mari, the one who piloted Unit 5. She's just here to be Asuka Mark II later. Asuka's relationship with Shinji starts rocky as normal, but it soon starts softening...and then Unit 3 shows up and she's selected to be the pilot for the test. The usual thing happens, then the headless cow shows up, now a mummy thing. Mari goes out with EVA-02, does some cool shit kinda like Asuka did in End of Evangelion, taking away her biggest claim to fame. This will be a bit of a running theme as we continue. Anyway, Zeruel rips everybody a new asshole, as usual, but this time, *eats EVA-00* from the shin up (And comically spits out it's helmet) and absorbing it and Rei. This kicks Shinji into overdrive and makes him sack up - and this time he isn't letting his Mom handle things. He's in full-ass control of EVA-01 (Well, subconsciously at least) as he annihilates Zeruel and forces his way inside of it's core to retrieve Rei, kickstarting EVA-01's evolution to Godhood through *sheer force of will alone, in order to save Rei*. This starts Third Impact, because the cost of creating the new transcendent life form is, apparently, wiping away the previous one. So Kaworu spears him from the moon and stops it. Up to here I've just watched, the rest is from my memories of the last two Rebuilds. AND THEN REBUILD 3 STARTS, WITH ANNO IN FULL CONTROL OF THINGS. Apparently having seen Shinji do something on his own (and having Misato cheering him on!) and gone 'What the fuck did you do to my whiny little pissbaby?? You've almost ruined him! I need to spend a movie getting him back on track as a horribly traumatized creator stand in! I mean protagonist!' So, more than a decade has passed and Shinji has just woken up. He has no idea what the fuck, nobody will tell him what the fuck, and tells him that if he ever *thinks* about piloting an EVA again, then they'll blow his head off with a bomb collar. And Misato, who had been cheering him on a half hour before in screen time, (counting the end credits of Rebuild 2) is blaming him for everything and personally holding the trigger for the bomb. And Asuka is awake and alive and hates him because he tried to kill her??? I guess nobody in the last decade plus told her that it was Gendou?? And when Rei attacks to try to rescue him, of course he decides to just fuckin' leave because he's clearly so loved where he is, and MAYBE he'll actually get some answers. So he goes with Rei back to the crater formally known as NERV, gets told everything, but heavy on the blaming of him for the death of another 90% or so of humanity, meets Kaworu, they're *astoundingly* gay together, good for them, and they become Drift Compatible and tandem-pilot an EVA to supposedly undo it all, but whoops, it's another Gendou Special, and fuck all y'all, so Kaworu dies in front of Shinji again, this time by the collar Shinji was fitted with, which puts Shinji into a fugue state, where he's abused by Asuka. Then rebuild 4 picks up immediately after that, with Asuka *continuing* to abuse him, physically and emotionally, as well as force-feeding him because he isn't bothering to eat, her abuse SOMEHOW makes him come out of his trauma, because THAT makes fuckin' sense, get fucked in the eye socket, Anno, and he goes back to the people who wanted to blow his head up without telling him why, where he's immediately locked back up. Oh, and Rei melts into Tang in front of his eyes, because Gendou wanted to get in another 'fuck you, Shinji' for no reason I remember other than pettiness - Gendou had everything lined up for his grand plan by then. So some pseudomystical bullshit happens, Shinji's sync ratio is actually infinite rather than zero, and reality is rewritten so that EVAs never existed while Shinji gives everyone happy endings, including his fuckass father for some reason, and Anno goes 'What a clever writer and director I am, now screw you guys, I'm going home' to the audience. ....Oh, and Mari ends up doing most of the awesome shit over Asuka, and ends up with Shinji in the end because she's Mary Magdelene or something??
....*cough* but anyway, I kinda noticed some NXE-ness in Rebuild but now that I've written that out I can't actually place what it was anymore. I recall Gryph saying he's unlikely to ever watch them, so, yeah, even if some of the time frames match up, which I don't even think they do, it's gotta be coincidental~
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Gryphon
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Oct-17-22, 02:29 PM (EST) |
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Well, first of all, Sam Waterston sends the spy guy in the Piper Cub over to Russia, to the restaurant with the bad service, where he meets the girl who dates a pig, and he lives in her closet for 10 years while they develop the United States rocket program. Yeah, yeah, and like a fine wine the relationship between the spy girl and the fat, stinky, balding Russian pig guy only gets better, and that's disgusting. Enter Leonard Nimoy/Bill Bixby type, he hands them a megaton of TNT and leads them into the woods, and suddenly they're having a teary departure like we're supposed to care, we didn't even know the guy was supposed to be a Brit. All he did was say things like "cheerio" and "good boy," gah. Then Suey the Pig Girl gets shot, in the least dramatic scene since Date with an Angel; Spy Guy muffs the bombing on the missile guarded by the Fotomat, and then he gets shot in the same place as Suey the Pig Girl. Cut to New York, where Art Metrano and Harry Connick eat pizza and buy ties for their stupid girlfriends, and then Harry Truman gets off a plane by the sewage dump, and then a blind guy goes by and says, "Help me." What the hell was that supposed to be?! And then there's the glorious ending where the whole center of New York is destroyed, except for the perimeter, and all we learn is that you're supposed to live in the suburbs, not in the city! --G. typed that whole thing from memory -><- Benjamin D. Hutchins, Co-Founder, Editor-in-Chief, & Forum Mod Eyrie Productions, Unlimited http://www.eyrie-productions.com/ zgryphon at that email service Google has Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam. |
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Gryphon
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Oct-17-22, 06:23 PM (EST) |
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>Gods, I really did sound like Joel and the Bots summarizing what they >just watched didn’t I.You really, really did. By about a quarter of the way through, it was all I could think of. Man alive, what a cluster. I can only imagine how weird the next reboot is gonna be. --G. I mean, obviously he's not done. -><- Benjamin D. Hutchins, Co-Founder, Editor-in-Chief, & Forum Mod Eyrie Productions, Unlimited http://www.eyrie-productions.com/ zgryphon at that email service Google has Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam. |
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Kendra Kirai
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Oct-17-22, 11:51 PM (EST) |
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7. "RE: Rewatching Evangelion, plus movies... (Spoilers)"
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You wanna know the worst part of the Rebuilds to me? IT'S WELL MADE. Nobody phoned it in, it's breathtaking to look at, it was exquisitely put together, and the actual direction was impeccable, it's just the *writing* that was horseshit. They put all of this effort into it, while doing everything they possibly could to stomp on my every nerve with soccer cleats. I can't say it's *bad*, it's just *infuriating*! (Now, the series, god, they reused so much footage, I think somebody was spending some of the animation budget on hookers and blow. They had like 15 episodes worth of actual animation, being generous and counting the long scenery shots, and *still* ran out of money for the last two episodes. They even reused a bunch in End of Evangelion, which was made after they got the cash from being ultra popular!) |
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Gryphon
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Oct-18-22, 03:24 AM (EST) |
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10. "RE: Rewatching Evangelion, plus movies... (Spoilers)"
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>You wanna know the worst part of the Rebuilds to me? > >IT'S WELL MADE. Nobody phoned it in, it's breathtaking to look at, it >was exquisitely put together, and the actual direction was impeccable, >it's just the *writing* that was horseshit. As Bill Bailey once said of that entire musical based on a single ABBA song, "It's like being hit in the head with an IKEA chair. It hurts? But you've got to admire the craftsmanship." --G. -><- Benjamin D. Hutchins, Co-Founder, Editor-in-Chief, & Forum Mod Eyrie Productions, Unlimited http://www.eyrie-productions.com/ zgryphon at that email service Google has Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam. |
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Oct-18-22, 10:05 AM (EST) |
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13. "RE: Rewatching Evangelion, plus movies... (Spoilers)"
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>EDIT: Thinking about it, that makes NOT telling Shinji what the fuck >when he wakes up after 20 years even stupider, because not telling him >anything is *literally* why he runs off and makes things worse later. >What use do they have for not telling him he inadvertently effed up? >It'd ACTUALLY make him not want to get into an EVA again. But that >wouldn't traumatize him enough I guess. Evangelion has always been, from Anno's perspective, a public therapy/philosophy session. From that perspective, it looks to me like the lack of communication causing such problems throughout is the message he wanted to convey, which also fits with the eventual resolution of everything involving Shinji and Gendou finally having a heart to heart they should have had years ago. None of that excuses some of Anno's crueler excesses, but most things in Eva that aren't straight up tropes (and even the inclusion of some of those) are very intentional, for better or worse.
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Kendra Kirai
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Oct-18-22, 03:35 PM (EST) |
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14. "RE: Rewatching Evangelion, plus movies... (Spoilers)"
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LAST EDITED ON Oct-18-22 AT 03:38 PM (EDT) > Evangelion has always been, from Anno's perspective, a public therapy/philosophy session.Small point of order, you’re wrong here. It’s also an ATM. Any time he needs a new boat he licenses it out for a pachinko game or for a Puzzle and Dragons or PSO2 event, or razors, or cat food or whatever else wants to slap a picture of EVA-01 or Rei on it. But seriously, though, it kinda smacks of Ken Penders (check out ThanksKenPenders.tumblr.com) and the Boomer-y belief that one’s father being emotionally distant and shitty to you was for your own good, to make you grow as a person and you’re better off for blah blah blah, he always knew best, kind of apologist crap. Even if Gendou actually says he was a shitty person, it’s still Shinji forgiving him for unforgivable things. Now, I don’t mean Shinji should condemn him to Hell or anything, but there’s a very, very thick, well defined line between ‘absolute forgiveness’ and ‘vengeance’. |
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Kendra Kirai
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Oct-19-22, 05:39 AM (EST) |
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15. "RE: Rewatching Evangelion, plus movies... (Spoilers)"
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LAST EDITED ON Oct-19-22 AT 05:59 AM (EDT) I've just watched Rebuild 3 and 4, and I need to make some corrections; > And Asuka is awake and alive and hates him because he tried to kill her??? I guess nobody in the last decade plus told her that it was Gendou?? SO, it turns out (though we only learn this in Rebuild 4), she was mad at him because he couldn't decide to save her or kill her, because he didn't want to be responsible?? > Oh, and Rei melts into Tang in front of his eyes, because Gendou wanted to get in another 'fuck you, Shinji' for no reason I remember other than pettiness - Gendou had everything lined up for his grand plan by then. I was right, Gendou didn't calibrate that Rei properly so she'd die after spending time with him 'to teach him a lesson'. As if he hadn't been dealing with loss his whole fucking life. > ....Oh, and Mari ends up doing most of the awesome shit over Asuka, and ends up with Shinji in the end because she's Mary Magdelene or something?? Oh I'm sorry, she's MARIA ISCARIOT, what was I thinking her being Mary Magdelene, how ridiculous that was. Now everything makes PERFECT sense! EDIT TO ADD: So, Shinji gives everybody a happy ending....including sending people back to the world safely....then rewrites reality so EVAs never existed. So...what was the point of that?
A Wiki here states that it's unclear if Shinji and Mari ever got out of Minus Space so I suppose they're just stuck in a place where reality is just whatever they perceive it to be and their old world was left alone, but like. I can only work with what I was given here. Which isn't much. |
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Gryphon
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20. "RE: Rewatching Evangelion, plus movies... (Spoilers)"
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LAST EDITED ON Nov-13-22 AT 05:22 PM (EST) >*hands out the directions to Laid-Back Camp* > >Peter Eng >-- >It's mainly cute girls, camping, food, and scenery. Two seasons on >Crunchyroll. This reminds me: I was poking around there the other day, trying to decide whether to sink some cash into a subscription, when I noticed the title card for a series called Do It Yourself, which appears to be "K-On! if they were the Cabinetry Club instead of the Light Music Club." I mean, presumably not exactly, I can't imagine any madman ever trusting Yui Hirasawa with a table saw, but still, what an intriguingly peculiar premise. I haven't watched any of it yet, but I suspect I'm going to. EDIT: I watched the first episode, and I must retract part of the above. Giving the actual protagonist of Do It Yourself access to power tools may in fact be less advisable than providing them to Yui Hirasawa. --G. -><- Benjamin D. Hutchins, Co-Founder, Editor-in-Chief, & Forum Mod Eyrie Productions, Unlimited http://www.eyrie-productions.com/ zgryphon at that email service Google has Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam. |
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Kendra Kirai
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Oct-19-22, 02:50 PM (EST) |
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18. "RE: Rewatching Evangelion, plus movies... (Spoilers)"
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Super Robot Wars is why I only said “large parts of this franchise’ rather than ‘this franchise’. My favorite so far is Alpha 3, because we went through the series in Alpha 2 and End of Evangelion in Alpha 3, and Shinji learned from all of those hot blooded super robot pilots. He even told Kira Yamato to suck it up during part of the Gundam Seed storyline in 3! Yeah, giant naked Rei still happened but it was a bit more spite of Shinji rather than because of, I think. Somebody get Shinji some actual role models and friends that Gendou can’t try to have killed and he turns out SO much better, SO quickly. He doesn’t need to talk to his dad, he needs to get out from under his thumb. Which, admittedly, hard when he’s one of the secret shadow rulers of the planet... |
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Matrix Dragon
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21. "RE: Rewatching Evangelion, plus movies... (Spoilers)"
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LAST EDITED ON Nov-14-22 AT 00:30 AM (EST) I am still furious over the end of the second movie and the core element of the third. Shinji does exactly the right thing and everyone gets fucked for it. Then they blame him for doing the right thing, even though no one told him the other EVA pilot will trigger the end of the world if she gets too close to his. "I feel I was denied. Critical. Need to know. Information." Matrix Dragon, J. Random Nutter |
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Offsides
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25. "RE: Rewatching Evangelion, plus movies... (Spoilers)"
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So the mobile game that I've been playing for the last 3 years or so (TopWar - AKA how many stupid things can we do do get you to give us more money, but I digress) started a crossover with Evangelion last week, and it made me wonder if I should look into the remakes and/or rewatch the original. Thanks to your summary, I don't feel like I need to do either, so thank you! :) I'll stick to NXE, my head's messed up enough as is (and if I wanted a real mind fuck, I'd just rewatch Perfect Blue and save about 10 hours). Offsides [...] in order to be a realist you must believe in miracles. -- David Ben Gurion EPU RCW #π #include <stdsig.h> |
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Kendra Kirai
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Nov-18-22, 04:33 PM (EST) |
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27. "RE: Rewatching Evangelion, plus movies... (Spoilers)"
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Well, as I said earlier on, they’re not BAD movies in that nobody cared enough. Everyone absolutely did, it’s just that the writing was infuriating to me. Don’t let my - or anybody’s really - stream of consciousness ranting push you away from something you might enjoy! Just because I didn’t vibe with it doesn’t mean you won’t~ The opposite has happened more than enough that I’d be a horrible hypocrite if I insisted my take was the objectively correct one. If nothing else, the fights are breathtaking and totally worth looking up on YouTube, or scrubbing through the movies to find. I’m especially fond of the catching of Sahaquiel, which also has some coincidental aspects of NXE to it, I feel~ https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=s3OZt45NbA8? Here, I’ll save you the trouble of finding that one. :3 Rebuild’s Zeruel fight is also impressive as heck. Makes the headless cow seem even more unstoppably powerful. All that said though, I am glad you found it useful~ just don’t take it as your only source. :3 don’t let yourself be poisoned by one person’s vitriol! |
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