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dbrandon
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Oct-30-01, 01:18 PM (EDT) |
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"Live-action or animated?"
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I've been wondering for a while about this. When you, the various writers of UF, and you, the various readers of UF, visualize it (assuming you do), is it live-action or animated? I'm especially interested in the authors responses, since they're the ones deliberately mixing "live-action" (Star Trek/Wars, B5, etc.) with anime (BGC, Tenchi, etc.) not to mention various text based sources, but anyone's perspective is welcome. When I see it in my head, it's mostly live-action, although certain scenes come through more in animation, because as hard as I try, I just can't see a 3D Washu(u). Then again, a cartoon Minbari is also next-to-impossible for me to visualize. When I try to visualize Mia (or G'kron, for that matter) next to Washuu, I get brainfault. Dan Brandon ---- randomly speculative .sig |
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Redneck
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Oct-30-01, 02:05 PM (EDT) |
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2. "RE: Live-action or animated?"
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>I've been wondering for a while about this. When you, the various >writers of UF, and you, the various readers of UF, visualize it >(assuming you do), is it live-action or animated? I'm especially >interested in the authors responses, since they're the ones >deliberately mixing "live-action" (Star Trek/Wars, B5, etc.) with >anime (BGC, Tenchi, etc.) not to mention various text based sources, >but anyone's perspective is welcome. Animated. Animation can do anything RL can, and quite a few things RL just can't. (Watched either of the Flintstones live-action movies lately, for instance? GOD but I hate those.) >When I see it in my head, it's mostly live-action, although certain >scenes come through more in animation, because as hard as I try, I >just can't see a 3D Washu(u). Which reminds me, I must nag Phil again to attempt a pic of the Red Avenger. }:-{D > Then again, a cartoon Minbari is also >next-to-impossible for me to visualize. Two words: Babylon Park. > When I try to visualize Mia >(or G'kron, for that matter) next to Washuu, I get brainfault. That's just normal reaction to Washuu-chan. }:-{D Redneck Red wizard needs money badly... www.wlpcomics.com White Lightning Productions - don't tell the Pope |
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dbrandon
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Oct-30-01, 03:12 PM (EDT) |
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4. "RE: Live-action or animated?"
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>> Then again, a cartoon Minbari is also >>next-to-impossible for me to visualize. > >Two words: Babylon Park. Oh, god, I had forgotten that. That was awesome. "Yeah, I want some cheesy spoo!" Dan Brandon --- What _would_ Brian Boitano do for a .sig? |
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Blob
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Oct-31-01, 02:58 AM (EDT) |
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15. "RE: Live-action or animated?"
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>>> Then again, a cartoon Minbari is also >>>next-to-impossible for me to visualize. >> >>Two words: Babylon Park. > >Oh, god, I had forgotten that. That was awesome. "Yeah, I want some >cheesy spoo!" Is Babylon Park what I think it is? And if yes, where can I get it? ---------------- And the winner is... THE HYPNOTOAD! ALL GLORY TO THE HYPNOTOAD! |
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Sinapus
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Oct-31-01, 10:40 AM (EDT) |
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18. "RE: Live-action or animated?"
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LAST EDITED ON Oct-31-01 AT 10:43 AM (EST) LAST EDITED ON Oct-31-01 AT 10:40 AM (EST) >>>> Then again, a cartoon Minbari is also >>>>next-to-impossible for me to visualize. >>> >>>Two words: Babylon Park. >> >>Oh, god, I had forgotten that. That was awesome. "Yeah, I want some >>cheesy spoo!" > >Is Babylon Park what I think it is? Yep. "Spoo. The Other Blue Meat." >And if yes, where can I get it? Er.... the only link I can find is: http://www.infinicorp.com/babylonpark/ And the page keeps failing to load. Might be my firewall at work, though. Patrick Chester "...could you and your associates arrange that for me, Mr. Morden?" |
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Nathan
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Oct-30-01, 05:54 PM (EDT) |
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5. "RE: Live-action or animated?"
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>I've been wondering for a while about this. When you, the various >writers of UF, and you, the various readers of UF, visualize it >(assuming you do), is it live-action or animated? I'm especially >interested in the authors responses, since they're the ones >deliberately mixing "live-action" (Star Trek/Wars, B5, etc.) with >anime (BGC, Tenchi, etc.) not to mention various text based sources, >but anyone's perspective is welcome. > >When I see it in my head, it's mostly live-action, although certain >scenes come through more in animation, because as hard as I try, I >just can't see a 3D Washu(u). Then again, a cartoon Minbari is also >next-to-impossible for me to visualize. When I try to visualize Mia >(or G'kron, for that matter) next to Washuu, I get brainfault. I don't. Toon. Definitely toon. I can just _see_ the scene in Core 4, with Gryph on the gravbike roaring over thousands of square miles of devestated flat at suicidal speeds, and then the synthesizer starts it intro and all around him this lighttunnel appears, flashes and crashes and missiles snapping past like lightning... The only two scenes I can think of to match that visual impact are _Fearless_'s pursuit of _Sirius_ and the Imperial Guard's last engagement with the Achuultanni. That kind of impact _defines_ anime, at least as far as I'm concerned. Blessed be. Nathan Baxter
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Matrix Dragon
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Oct-30-01, 09:52 PM (EDT) |
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7. "RE: Live-action or animated?"
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>I can just _see_ the scene in Core 4, with Gryph on the gravbike roaring >over thousands of square miles of devestated flat at suicidal speeds, and >then the synthesizer starts it intro and all around him this lighttunnel >appears, flashes and crashes and missiles snapping past like lightning...Personally, I've got this really cool anime image in my head of the Ragnarock. Lasers, bullets and missiles in every direction, glimpes of dead heroes, and the main characters making their way through the battlefield. Kei burning down the giant then blasting the tank, Gryph and Skuld taking on Fenris, and the Autobot army charging into battle. Optimus Prime's entry always brings flashbacks of the movie, where he tranforms in midair and comes down shooting.... Yeah, I'm going with the anime style. Matrix Dragon Matrix Dragon, J. Random Nutter |
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Blob
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Oct-31-01, 02:55 AM (EDT) |
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14. "RE: Live-action or animated?"
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>>I can just _see_ the scene in Core 4, with Gryph on the gravbike roaring >>over thousands of square miles of devestated flat at suicidal speeds, and >>then the synthesizer starts it intro and all around him this lighttunnel >>appears, flashes and crashes and missiles snapping past like lightning... > >Personally, I've got this really cool anime image in my head of the >Ragnarock. Lasers, bullets and missiles in every direction, glimpes of >dead heroes, and the main characters making their way through the >battlefield. Kei burning down the giant then blasting the tank, Gryph >and Skuld taking on Fenris, and the Autobot army charging into battle. >Optimus Prime's entry always brings flashbacks of the movie, where he >tranforms in midair and comes down shooting.... > >Yeah, I'm going with the anime style. > >Matrix Dragon I see the Ragnarock in live-action with some CG thrown in, everything else is a mix of live-action and anime. ---------------- And the winner is... THE HYPNOTOAD! ALL GLORY TO THE HYPNOTOAD! |
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Laudre
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Oct-30-01, 06:08 PM (EDT) |
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6. "RE: Live-action or animated?"
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>I've been wondering for a while about this. When you, the various >writers of UF, and you, the various readers of UF, visualize it >(assuming you do), is it live-action or animated?Definitely. My default, when I'm reading any work of prose, is to visualize in live-action. There are times when I see UF, and Eyrie works in general, animated, particulary in big action sequences, but mostly it's live-action. And it's not out of any preference for live-action as a medium; it's just how I see things. Animation gives the creator a great deal more flexibility and control over the end product, limited only by time and expense, while live action is capable of producing subtleties and spontaneities that are just about impossible in animation. CGI bridges a lot of that gap, but it's still difficult, at best, to do certain things that are believable in animation but impossible in live action. (Anime certainly goes a lot farther in this direction than American animation. Chibi and SD characters come to mind.) Remember that a great deal of Episode 1, particularly action scenes, was almost entirely CG. -- Sean -- http://www.thebrokenlink.org The Broken Link 4.0 is live! "All tribal myths are true, for a given value of 'true'." -- Terry Pratchett Follow my random thoughts Follow my creative process |
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Gryphon
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Oct-30-01, 09:58 PM (EDT) |
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8. "RE: Live-action or animated?"
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>I've been wondering for a while about this. When you, the various >writers of UF, visualize it >(assuming you do), is it live-action or animated?Both. Neither. Impossible to say. My mind doesn't often work that way. I may see a particular bit of action or an overall style as being similar to this or that, but when I'm considering a particular scene I don't think, "OK, here's Utena, as she appears in the television series, and Corwin as designed by the designer from Big O, standing in front of the live-action Wedge." I just think, "It's Utena and Corwin in front of the Wedge." --G. -><- Benjamin D. Hutchins, Co-Founder, Editor in Chief, Netadmin Eyrie Productions, Unlimited http://www.eyrie-productions.com/
-><- Benjamin D. Hutchins, Co-Founder, Editor-in-Chief, & Forum Mod Eyrie Productions, Unlimited http://www.eyrie-productions.com/ zgryphon at that email service Google has Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam. |
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kevncody
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Oct-30-01, 10:15 PM (EDT) |
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10. "RE: Live-action or animated?"
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>Both. Neither. Impossible to say. My mind doesn't often work that >way. Go Not to the Authors for Wisdom, for They shall say both Yea and Nay... <Adapted from a line in The Fellowship of The Rings by JRR Tolkien.>
Kevin Cody Pre-Reader for Drunkard's Walk 2, and Liquid Courage
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remande
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Oct-30-01, 11:46 PM (EDT) |
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12. "RE: Live-action or animated?"
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>>I've been wondering for a while about this. When you, the various >>writers of UF, visualize it >>(assuming you do), is it live-action or animated? > >Both. Neither. Impossible to say. My mind doesn't often work that >way. >--G. Funny, I always thought that you visualized it animated. Hell, you put an animation note in Cybertron Dreams. Me, I think of it as live action. Especially when dealing with my own avatar. His role is very touchy-feely, and it helps to get the other senses involved--like the peculiar lubricant stench of the hanger bay, the twenty hertz throb of an impulse drive... I can't limit myself to either animated or even live action television. I have to be there. --rR --rR
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Ardaniel
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Oct-31-01, 07:38 AM (EDT) |
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16. "RE: Live-action or animated?"
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Gryph said: >Both. Neither. Impossible to say. My mind doesn't often work that >way. ...and this is why I spent all damn day trying to come up with an answer to this question. :) I don't think in pictures; I think in words, and sometimes the images of words. That being said, there are SOME images associated with SoS in my head-- UFme's dorm room is one of them, the attack scene in Amanda's bedroom in Courtship of Princess Dessler another, and character clothing always stands out very strongly due to Gryph's detail work on same-- but most of the time? I have a gut feel for the action, but no actual mental images. And no, I don't have a good explanation for the way my visualization capacity works, either. I attempted to explain it to the nice lady giving me a battery of psych tests once, and stopped when she got REAL quiet. ;) Ard Sumhenner Ronin Research, Sacramento, CA
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jer
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Oct-30-01, 09:59 PM (EDT) |
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9. "RE: Live-action or animated?"
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>I've been wondering for a while about this. When you, the various >writers of UF, and you, the various readers of UF, visualize it >(assuming you do), is it live-action or animated? SOS is real life, because I can walk down the street and see Bancroft Tower, the Crown Plaza, the Worcester Auditorium, and WPI. Twilight is more anime, for the big battle scenes. -- jer@gweep.net Ceci n'est pas une .signature -- jer@gweep.net http://www.gweep.net/~jer/ Ceci n'est pas une .signature |
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Redneck
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Oct-30-01, 10:40 PM (EDT) |
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11. "RE: Live-action or animated?"
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>>I've been wondering for a while about this. When you, the various >>writers of UF, and you, the various readers of UF, visualize it >>(assuming you do), is it live-action or animated? > >SOS is real life, because I can walk down the street and see Bancroft >Tower, >the Crown Plaza, the Worcester Auditorium, and WPI. > >Twilight is more anime, for the big battle scenes. *shrug* I'm much the other way around, but that's because in my imagination Patton strongly resembles George C. Scott. };-{D Redneck (besides, to a Texan Massachussetts is a mythical fairy land- no, wait, that's Berkeley) Red wizard needs money badly... www.wlpcomics.com White Lightning Productions - don't tell the Pope |
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dbrandon
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Oct-31-01, 09:26 AM (EDT) |
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17. "RE: Live-action or animated?"
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>>SOS is real life, because I can walk down the street and see Bancroft >>Tower, >>the Crown Plaza, the Worcester Auditorium, and WPI. >> >>Twilight is more anime, for the big battle scenes. > >*shrug* I'm much the other way around, but that's because in my >imagination Patton strongly resembles George C. Scott. };-{D > >Redneck (besides, to a Texan Massachussetts is a mythical fairy land- >no, wait, that's Berkeley) I was going to ask before, but was sidetracked by your clever Babylon Park distraction-- if you see your stories mostly animated, does this mean you have a mental image of yourself/avatar as an anime character? What's that like? Dan Brandon --- this is a live-action .sig |
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Redneck
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Oct-31-01, 03:11 PM (EDT) |
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19. "RE: Live-action or animated?"
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>I was going to ask before, but was sidetracked by your clever Babylon >Park distraction-- if you see your stories mostly animated, does this >mean you have a mental image of yourself/avatar as an anime character? > What's that like? My UF avatar... well, Captain Avatar, actually. Show the good Captain as a young man, with a full head of red hair and the same full beard, a trim figure and a prediliction for jackets. Or, alternatively, imagine Harlock with a beard and Zelgadis' general attitude. "Guess they won't let us turn this fleet serious without a fight..." For various clothing cues: casual - Privateer: One Fine Mess; full formal - Redneck: Die Hardly; pilot - Wilderness Part 1. Redneck Red wizard needs money badly... www.wlpcomics.com White Lightning Productions - don't tell the Pope |
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Perko
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Oct-31-01, 02:17 AM (EDT) |
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13. "RE: Live-action or animated?"
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I just realized that I see all the characters animated except for narns and t'skrang... and as soon as I realized that, they both turn SD and wander around doing all their important blusterings in SD animated... Hmmm, that was a pointless post... but it is on topic, I guess... -Craig "I find your lack of ellipsis... disturbing..." Perko |
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yostinso
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Nov-10-01, 06:29 PM (EDT) |
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21. "RE: Live-action or animated?"
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Apparently I don't watch enough anime. I've hardly seen any of the characters in question, for one thing, so my main reference for images is in real life, what with living on the WPI campus and all. As such, I tend to parse any anime-style images into live-action representations; it's not all that hard, with my roomate dating a pink-haired girl and the Morgan dorm windows being right across the street from me. (Admittedly, my view of the Wedge reflects the "renovations", though at least I got to see DAKA-King before it got moved to the shiny campus center.) This is true for all my reading of Eyrie-fic, too, including such hard-to-realize things as the Evangelions wandering through Worcester in NXE. E.O. Stinson yostinso@wpi.edu AIM: Eostinso sitemap.aradine.com Yostinso <-- crazy fanboy |
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Griever
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Nov-11-01, 07:33 AM (EDT) |
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22. "RE: Live-action or animated?"
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Hmm , tough one . I maust say that I really don't know . Full visual is mostly not available , since my mind goes around the feel and Idea of the character more than the image . That said , when it does do Image it's more often anime than not , but with craft and such done in the manner of Blue Submarine no.6 . My avatar in the fic I'm working on ... umm ... best bet would be a younger Arugess from Appleseed , without that eye thing he's got , smoother features , and with a shack of hair . And sometimes it just looks like a black Carnage gone anime with a T-1000 motif . <cue 'Can I Play With Madness' here> -Griever "No! I am not Prince Hamlet, nor was meant to be; Am an attendant lord, one that will do To swell a progress, start a scene or two, Advise the prince; no doubt, an easy tool, Deferential, glad to be of use, Politic, cautious, and meticulous; Full of high sentence, but a bit obtuse; At times, indeed, almost ridiculous-- Almost, at times, the Fool."
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The Child
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Nov-13-01, 09:09 PM (EDT) |
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23. "RE: Live-action or animated?"
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I usually see it as a clashy mix between animation and live action, like one of those Star Wars vidoe games for PC. In some instances I switch Kaitlyn back and forth, Utena and Dorothy, too. Usually, I can't tell the difference. ~Yes, the CHILD. |
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