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JeanneHedge
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"Character Popularity (Rina)"
 
   Perhaps this should be a question asked via email, but others may be wondering the same...

I really like Rina Dragonaar. It's hard to say exactly why, but if pressed I just sort of like her attitude about things. A lot of people must share my like of Rina, given that she's making a very good showing in the SOS original character popularity poll despite appearing in only a handful of scenes in Courtship.

Now we get to part 5 of SOS, and there's Rina shows up where the reader had no particular reason to even remotely expect to see her (at least everyone else who showed up at that event was at WPI).

So I was wondering if Rina was supposed to show up all along, or if her appearance is a direct result of her apparent popularity? Do you guys ever tweak or even rewrite your storylines due to character popularity? (I thought someone had once mentioned that UF stories are plotted fairly well along - who shows up where and when and what they do while they're there is spelled out in a UF writers' guide?)

Then again, this appearance could just be paving the way for Rina to join the ranks of not-so-minor secondary characters...


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  RE: Character Popularity (Rina) Gryphonadmin Nov-02-01 1
  RE: Character Popularity (Rina) trigger Nov-02-01 2
     RE: Character Popularity (Rina) Gryphonadmin Nov-02-01 3
     RE: Character Popularity (Rina) Redneck Nov-02-01 4
         RE: Character Popularity (Rina) Starbolt Nov-02-01 5
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Gryphonadmin
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1. "RE: Character Popularity (Rina)"
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   >So I was wondering if Rina was supposed to show up all along, or if
>her appearance is a direct result of her apparent popularity?

Neither; her appearance is a direct result of the fact that I really like her, despite the fact that she barged unexpectedly into a considerably more major role in Courtship than I'd anticipated. Plus she was the perfect cap to the cycle of unexpected appearances in Toronto (all of which have a subtext grounded in some sort of quasi-relationship).

>Do you
>guys ever tweak or even rewrite your storylines due to character
>popularity?

I can't think of an example of my having done it to accommodate external popularity, but I do it all the time with characters that unexpectedly develop in interesting directions and demand more screen time. Hell, Corwin was supposed to be a minor guest character in Wounded Rose and Christmas Rose, and that was supposed to be all for him in the Symphony. Now I dunno if I'll have the time or the inclination to do the series of stories he was supposed to be a major character in...

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2. "RE: Character Popularity (Rina)"
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   LAST EDITED ON Nov-02-01 AT 07:42 PM (EST)

LAST EDITED ON Nov-02-01 AT 07:37 PM (EST)

<please note: MAY CONTAIN RAMPANT SPECULATION>

>So I was wondering if Rina was supposed to show up all along, or if her >appearance is a direct result of her apparent popularity?

God I hope not.

Given the author/editor(s) experiences with their fans and detractors, why would they feel the need to add characters to the brew because they've won a popularity contest?

<please note: WILL CONTAIN PERSONAL OPINION ON HOW FAN FICTION AUTHORS AND GEORGE LUCAS SHOULD ACT>

Now, if they solicit requests for characters showing up in their works (I still want to see the NXE where Jackie Chan guest stars), that's different. Then the authors are trying (for the hell of it) to have fan participation, or to settle and argument, or just to amuse themselves.

That said, the "Jar-Jar Binks" method of fanfiction (or movies) is very...distasteful...to me. I'm interested in what the author thinks/creates, not in having minor characters become major actors in the hopes of attracting or caterring to an audience. While my old college profs say "write to your audience", then didn't say "suck up to your audience".

"Sucking up to your audience" would include:
1. character given major role based on potential for larger fan base (c.f., Jar-Jar)
2. character (despite being irrevelant to plot) continues to play role in story
3. story line develops side plots to show case character (c.f. Seven of Nine)
4. character gets own series which is of low quality (c.f., Kramer, Ewoks)

On the other hand if you want to spin off a character and make something cool with them (say some of the Star Wars books), then that's fine. Your call.

In UF, esp in the early days, all sorts of characters pop up. I think most of us like the in-jokes, the references, the occasional gratutious appearances of original and borrowed characters. It makes it fun.

Part of the reason they're fun is that the UF group either works their characters into the Universe, or doesn't really reference them again. After all, have we seen Londo Molari in a while?

I hope that we do see more of Rina...but if we don't I'll be equally happy because that's they way the authors (and their muses) want it. Not because she beat out G'Kron or Mac.

btw. that might be proof for my speculation. Mac isn't popular on the popularity poll...but we've seen him in more episodes than Rina.

yours,
t.

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edited again because I cannot spell! Damn homonyms...

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3. "RE: Character Popularity (Rina)"
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   >"Sucking up to your audience" would include:
>3. story line develops side plots to show case character (c.f. Seven
>of Nine)

Aside from the one time I let Derek Bacon talk me into giving it a chance (he apologized when the episode was over; it was "Threshold"), I never watched Voyager, so I'm not all that familiar with 7/9 - I read the MSTing of the Paramount press release announcing her addition to the show ("Did we mention she's hot??") and was amused by it, but I haven't seen any episodes of the program featuring her. (In looking over supplementary materials, I find myself more interested by the Klingon engineer, but that may simply be because I don't find Jeri Ryan particularly attractive.)

That said, I was fully prepared to be hugely annoyed by Subcommander T'Pol when Enterprise started, but you know, she's surprised me. From her costume it's obvious that she's supposed to be the show's Emma Peel (old British TV production pun), but, having seen all but the most recent episode (which I tragically failed to tape - hopefully I'll catch it tomorrow), I've been pleasantly surprised by her. She's actually showing signs of being interesting. I think they need to force her to interact with the Space Beagle more, though. :)

Anyway, all of this appears to be OT, but just to bring it back and tie it in, a case could be made for Rina being such a character, brought in to boost the program's sex appeal somewhat - except with the cast we've already got, that would be kind of superfluous in my opinion, so obviously she must be good for something else. I just think she's a really -fun- character. Used sparingly, she provides an outside perspective, someone who's involved, but at the same time not involved, with the events of the series as a whole.

I haven't decided yet whether to give her a more prominent role in the next "season" (2405-2406 school year) than she's had in this one, but if I do, it won't be because of the web poll, it'll be because of what's going on between my ears. The poll was just an exercise in idle curiosity. :)

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4. "RE: Character Popularity (Rina)"
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>btw. that might be proof for my speculation. Mac isn't popular on the
>popularity poll...but we've seen him in more episodes than Rina.

Actually, Mac appears more times because I've had a considerable number of cute ideas featuring him, and have written them up in an entertaining enough way for Gryphon to want to use them. If this was a popularity thing, Mac would not have had a single line in Springtime.

My favorite Mac bit, though, is the one in which he isn't even aware he's on camera; G'Kron is doing all the talking, and we get a tiny glimpse into -why- Mac is so reclusive... and why Mac is at Galaxy House. That Mac and G'Kron bit is me employing the -other- half of my writing talent- writing personal revealations instead of slapstick humor.

I am, however, gratified at how the Tribble Chow gag went down. }:-{D

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5. "RE: Character Popularity (Rina)"
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   >
>My favorite Mac bit, though, is the one in which he isn't even aware
>he's on camera; G'Kron is doing all the talking, and we get a tiny
>glimpse into -why- Mac is so reclusive... and why Mac is at Galaxy
>House. That Mac and G'Kron bit is me employing the -other- half of my
>writing talent- writing personal revealations instead of slapstick
>humor.

I personally like Mac. And I have noticed the little "revelations". Like the scene where he catches the glass without much apparent trouble and without really paying attention. And Utena's noticing of his distraction at the Formal.


>
>I am, however, gratified at how the Tribble Chow gag went down. }:-{D
>


Figured that was Mac, storywise anyway. He's a rather sneaky one. First he gets into Liza's car then gains access to her workstation. As for you Red, you would come up with soething like that, Tribble Chow, from the creater of "Apocolypse Pie".

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6. "RE: Character Popularity (Rina)"
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>I personally like Mac. And I have noticed the little "revelations".
>Like the scene where he catches the glass without much apparent
>trouble and without really paying attention. And Utena's noticing of
>his distraction at the Formal.

So he has good reflexes, is accustomed to loud noises, and doesn't like social gatherings. Nothing unusual there. }:-{D

>As for you Red, you would come up with soething like that, Tribble
>Chow, from the creater of "Apocolypse Pie".

Nine-tenths of what goes through my mind for UF doesn't see daylight. Half of what's left is shot down by Gryphon for one reason or another. To that 5% must then be applied Sturgeon's Law, so only 0.25% of my ideas are worth anything much at all.

That's why I'm -very- gratfied to hear about those ideas that really -do- work out. }:-{D

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