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Gryphon
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Sep-07-06, 09:52 PM (EDT) |
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"pre-foreshadowing"
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LAST EDITED ON Sep-08-06 AT 01:20 AM (EDT) [If it helps, imagine it recited, slowly and gravely, by Raven.]Mistah Kurtz - he dead. A penny for the Old Guy I We are the hollow men We are the stuffed men Leaning together Headpiece filled with straw. Alas! Our dried voices, when We whisper together Are quiet and meaningless As wind in dry grass Or rats' feet over broken glass In our dry cellar Shape without form, shade without colour, Paralysed force, gesture without motion; Those who have crossed With direct eyes, to death's other Kingdom Remember us - if at all - not as lost Violent souls, but only As the hollow men The stuffed men. II Eyes I dare not meet in dreams In death's dream kingdom These do not appear: There, the eyes are Sunlight on a broken column There, is a tree swinging And voices are In the wind's singing More distant and more solemn Than a fading star. Let me be no nearer In death's dream kingdom Let me also wear Such deliberate disguises Rat's coat, crowskin, crossed staves In a field Behaving as the wind behaves No nearer - Not that final meeting In the twilight kingdom III This is the dead land This is the cactus land Here the stone images Are raised, here they receive The supplication of a dead man's hand Under the twinkle of a fading star. Is it like this In death's other kingdom Waking alone At the hour when we are Trembling with tenderness Lips that would kiss From prayers to broken stone. IV The eyes are not here There are no eyes here In this valley of dying stars In this hollow valley This broken jaw of our lost kingdoms In this last of meeting places We grope together And avoid speech Gathered on this beach of the tumid river Sightless, unless The eyes reappear As the perpetual star Multifoliate rose Of death's twilight kingdom The hope only Of empty men. V Here we go round the prickly pear Prickly pear prickly pear Here we go round the prickly pear At five o'clock in the morning. Between the idea And the reality Between the motion And the act Falls the Shadow For Thine is the Kingdom Between the conception And the creation Between the emotion And the response Falls the Shadow Life is very long Between the desire And the spasm Between the potency And the existence Between the essence And the descent Falls the Shadow For Thine is the Kingdom For Thine is Life is For Thine is the This is the way the world ends This is the way the world ends This is the way the world ends Not with a bang but a whimper. - T. S. Eliot "The Hollow Men", 1925 --G. -><- Benjamin D. Hutchins, Co-Founder, Editor-in-Chief, & Forum Admin Eyrie Productions, Unlimited http://www.eyrie-productions.com/
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Verbena
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Sep-07-06, 11:18 PM (EDT) |
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1. "RE: pre-foreshadowing"
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So they're being invaded by the Necron? =) (can you tell I'm on a Dawn of War kick right now?) No, seriously, I've seen bits and pieces of this quoted before, but never the whole thing. Clearly, Day of Infamy was only the beginning--the weakness in civilization brought about by that civil war will be the starting point for something far more dangerous....and even more telling, something that makes civilization despair. There's a lot of threats at the periphery of civilization, outside the galaxy. The Pfhor, the Covenant, that Marvel robot that tried to kill Paige Guthrie et al., whoever has Kei prisoner. All, presumably under the secret direction of Surtur. Could the Experts and allies deal with one? Sure. Two? Probably. All of them at once? Time to update those wills and insurance policies... Or, hell, I could be seeing all this totally wrong. But I doubt it. "They say one should not speak unkindly of the dead, so I say, 'nice try'." --Lezard |
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jadmire
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Sep-08-06, 08:10 PM (EDT) |
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3. "RE: pre-foreshadowing"
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This also reminds me of Yeats' "The Second Coming", which Kate recited to Utena long ago when the latter first told the former of her trials in Cephiro. This passage in particular springs to mind: The darkness drops again; but now I know That twenty centuries of stony sleep Were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle. And what rough beast, its hour come round at last, Slouches toward Bethlehem to be born? To get Biblical for a moment, it is starting to seem as if the Federation Civil War is going to prove merely to be "the beginning of sorrows". -Joe- Lover of fiddly and only faintly relevant background detail |
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trigger
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Sep-11-06, 07:45 PM (EDT) |
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10. "RE: pre-foreshadowing"
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>That "multifoliate rose" line in "The Hollow Men" is also _very_ >creepy, considering the subject at hand... You can say that again. It kind of explains where the Order of the Black Rose may be going. In the UF context, the correlations lifts both the original Eliot poem and the RGU order out of the realms of adolescent angst and into something much darker and more serious.
I was wondering how you would do that without it becoming a CW soap opera. Thanks. Pre-foreshadowing helps. cheers, t. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++-++ Trigger Argee trigger_argee@hotmail.com Manon, Maccadon, Orado, etc. Denton, never leave home without it. "If we are marked to die, we are enough To do our country loss; and if to live, The fewer men, the greater the share of honour God's will I pray thee wish not one man more" - Henry V, Act, IV Scene III |
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jadmire
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Sep-12-06, 08:49 PM (EDT) |
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11. "RE: pre-foreshadowing"
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And consider this... Life is very long This makes me wonder if, in the post-FI era, some of the Detians may be going to face implications of their effective immortality they hadn't previously considered. -Joe- Lover of fiddly and only faintly relevant background detail |
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Raptor
Member since Sep-9-06
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Sep-09-06, 10:56 PM (EDT) |
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9. "RE: pre-foreshadowing"
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Dawn of War rocks. Bow before the might of the Eldar. It does look like the Good Guys are screwed, don't it? And with Earthforce blown to heck, Starfeet destroyed or at the very least crippled, our list of allies grows thin. By the way, am I the only one who was incredably creeped out by the final lines of the poem? I think things just got worse. *ahem* WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE!!!!!!!! P.S: The next DoW expansion is coming! Soon! "The Great Beast has come, Devourer of Worlds." |
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Gryphon
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Sep-09-06, 07:35 PM (EDT) |
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8. "RE: pre-foreshadowing"
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>Speaking of Eliot, it just occured to me that Raven could say "I'll >show you fear in a handful of dust," and really mean it. Indeed, that whole line is very Raven-in-a-bad-mood: And I will show you something different from either Your shadow at morning striding behind you Or your shadow at evening rising to meet you; I will show you fear in a handful of dust. --G. -><- Benjamin D. Hutchins, Co-Founder, Editor-in-Chief, & Forum Admin Eyrie Productions, Unlimited http://www.eyrie-productions.com/
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SpottedKitty
Member since Jun-15-04
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Sep-17-06, 04:20 PM (EDT) |
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14. "RE: pre-foreshadowing"
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This poem creeped me out just a little bit when it came up in English class at school, fartoomany years ago. Thanks for reminding me why... =) (BTW, imagining Raven reciting it definitely encanced the effect.) -- Unable to save the day: File is read-only. |
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