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Sirrocco
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Mar-30-02, 11:12 AM (EST) |
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Things that make you go hmmm... That whole "Cammy being kicked upstairs" thing. It strikes me as deeply odd for a variety of reasons, some pretty obvious, some less so. - Cammy clearly (to the readership) didn't want to have to shut out Gryphon. Judging from what we knew of her character beforehand, she probably wouldn't have wanted the promotion anyway, even if she did take it. - She went from "field operative on vacation" to "admin" over the course of a few days, with no warning. Usually, successors are groomed. - Cammy is an amazingly effective field operative. One of her major strengths is that she is a world warrior, with all of the athleticism, combat skill, and endurance that that implies. Those abilities are almost completely wasted as administration. Other operatives, who specialized in things like information processing, or social manipulation, would have much more applicable skillsets. I guess the Cammy thing only really makes sense to me if a) someone is deliberately pulling strings to cause Cammy/Gryphon pain (implied) or b) The previous M was assassinated, they think that attempts will be made on the replacement, and they need someone who can defend themselves, at least until the threat can be eliminated. or c) (the obligatory) both. Any other ideas are, of course, welcome. Now, I was loking through battle 2 in search of random remniscences about Ler Drit training technique, and I ran across an implication that I had not expected. I then reread battles 1-4 and most of the message boards to make certain that I wasn't making a fool of myself, and so far as I can tell, it is only implied, so... Battle 2: > That checked me for a second. I have a habit of forgetting > just how old Rose must be -- I don't know any exact figures, but given > the fact that her meeting with my grandfather reportedly coincided > with the birth of my father in 1952, she must be considerably older > than she looks, which isn't much older than I. Every time I stop to > think about it, it gives me a moment's pause, but I always pass over > it well enough. Of all the things we have done together, the only > thing I regret is the time we spent divided by anger, pride, and > foolishness. and I said to myself "uh-huh." and then... Battle 1: > I used to have a problem with hanging around attractive > women -- I'd sort of freeze up, or, failing that, turn into Jerry > Lewis, which was worse. It's another character flaw Rose cured me of, > and that's another 'how' which is none of your business. and I said to myself "I see..." Now normally, I would have just scanned right past these (and, indeed, the first couple of times through, I did) but what with my mind already in the Eldritkar/Valdritkar gutter from the previous (now locked 'cause it was too long) thread, I cannot help but think that, well, she didn't do it for his fear of *heights*, but.... That having been said, I also ran into a few other amusing notes/confusions, and, seeing as it is *very*, *very* late for me, I thought I'd post them. (it looks early, but really, it's late.) Battle 3: > "It was lovely meeting you, too, and I'm glad you're feeling much > better," I said. "You're still very pale, though. You need more sun." > "You're silly," she said. "I don't even play the cello. Bye!" > It took me a moment to realize that she had not only parsed my > reference but come around the back side of it, and by then, she was across > the street and heading into the big gray bulk of the station, past the big > silver disc with the 'T' knocked out of it they have standing out by the bus > stops. Okay...so what is this in reference to? more Battle 3: > - Ryu is the galaxy's most inept driver. I know it'll never come up in the main plot, but it really might be rather amusing. and... > Hah! The day I can defeat Ryu AND Ken in succession is the day I go > to M. Bison's island fortress and rifle his sock drawer. Same battle, same comment. Might be really entertaining fodder for NXE-style bonus theatre, though. Gryphon-WL ends up, bizarrely, with another set of back-to-back battles against Ken and Ryu. Beats one without really breaking a sweat on a fluke, takes the other down without gettint too injured. "Wait a moment! What time is it?" <someone tells him> "Quick, Zoner! I need a ride! We only have a few hours left before nightfall!" <scene change> "Wow. Pink cotton knit. I never would have suspected." Okay, right. I'm a punchy little weasel. I think I go now. Sirrocco Zen...errr...zen. Really! Zen! weasel. Honest. |
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Pasha
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Mar-30-02, 01:10 PM (EST) |
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1. "RE: something about battle 5 (and other st"
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>Battle 3: > >> "It was lovely meeting you, too, and I'm glad you're feeling much >> better," I said. "You're still very pale, though. You need more sun." >> "You're silly," she said. "I don't even play the cello. Bye!" >> It took me a moment to realize that she had not only parsed my >> reference but come around the back side of it, and by then, she was across >> the street and heading into the big gray bulk of the station, past the big >> silver disc with the 'T' knocked out of it they have standing out by the bus >> stops. > >Okay...so what is this in reference to? Go watch Ghostbusters again. Then, as punishment, watch Street Fighter: The movie. -- -Pasha Rabid Crack Weasel #357 "I invented Warp Drive, whatta ya got?" "I'm the Norse God of Mecha." "Well, I guess you win then." |
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Griever
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Mar-30-02, 01:29 PM (EST) |
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2. "RE: something about battle 5 (and other st"
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>more Battle 3: > >> - Ryu is the galaxy's most inept driver.We're talking arcade here people. We don't know how good he is in RL. A chase scene with Ryu driving the getaway car would be greatly amusing though, just for the fact that Gryph might decide to make him , out of sheer wickedness, a natural combat driver. On another issue, it is clear that Ler Drit slows aging considerably(lifeforce manipulation for all I could figure out). If it isn't too much trouble, by how much? Or are we not yet cleared for that? -Griever RCW XIII ... no the _other_ thirteen. 'Back, he spurred like a madman, shrieking a curse to the sky, With the white road smoking behind him, and his rapier brandished high!' |
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Verbena
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Mar-30-02, 03:16 PM (EST) |
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3. "RE: something about battle 5 (and other st"
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>>more Battle 3: >> >>> - Ryu is the galaxy's most inept driver. > >We're talking arcade here people. We don't know how good he >is in RL. A chase scene with Ryu driving the getaway car would >be greatly amusing though, just for the fact that Gryph >might decide to make him , out of sheer wickedness, a natural >combat driver. > >On another issue, it is clear that Ler Drit slows aging >considerably(lifeforce manipulation for all I could figure >out). If it isn't too much trouble, by how much? >Or are we not yet cleared for that? Actually, it might not have a thing to do with Ler Drit in and of itself...it's just a martial art, and usually the use of excessive magical force that's not aligned directly with personal harmony (Dhalsim's version of Yoga (Kabaddi) might be an IC example, even if it's not the case RL) reduces one's lifespan, not extends it. The story between Rose and Bison actually gets delved into more in some of the endings in Street Fighter Alpha 3. Some of the endings (not necessarily Rose's or Bison's, Guy's might IIRC) imply that neither one is human in the slightest. It's an open question what they are, though, save to say they're both from the same place. All that said, however, I should point out that Gryphon's story is his own and any of that could be changed dramatically. Especially if he's never been exposed to any of the SFA3 endings; that's not something I'd know. "...Ye must desire respite from thy empty existence. Thou shalt HAVE it!" |
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Gryphon
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Mar-30-02, 06:38 PM (EST) |
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7. "RE: something about battle 5 (and other st"
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>The story between Rose and Bison actually gets delved into more in >some of the endings in Street Fighter Alpha 3. Some of the endings >(not necessarily Rose's or Bison's, Guy's might IIRC) imply that >neither one is human in the slightest. It's an open question what they >are, though, save to say they're both from the same place. > >All that said, however, I should point out that Gryphon's story is his >own and any of that could be changed dramatically. Especially if he's >never been exposed to any of the SFA3 endings; that's not something >I'd know. Heh heh. I'm not good enough to get to the endings. :) Anyway, the backstory elements in Street Fighter games are remarkable pieces of work; they manage to be thin on the ground, vague, and internally contradictory at the same time. So I'm taking bits and pieces here and there and making the rest up as I go along. Nothing in any of the source materials can be taken as true here unless it's been mentioned as such somewhere in one of the actual stories. It's just safer that way. :) Anyway, I dunno about Rose, but the Psycho Cheese is human all right, or at least he started out that way. --G. -><- Benjamin D. Hutchins, Co-Founder, Editor in Chief, Netadmin Eyrie Productions, Unlimited http://www.eyrie-productions.com/
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Verbena
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Mar-30-02, 08:09 PM (EST) |
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9. "RE: something about battle 5 (and other st"
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>Heh heh. I'm not good enough to get to the endings. :) > >Anyway, the backstory elements in Street Fighter games are >remarkable pieces of work; they manage to be thin on the ground, >vague, and internally contradictory at the same time. So I'm taking >bits and pieces here and there and making the rest up as I go along. >Nothing in any of the source materials can be taken as true here >unless it's been mentioned as such somewhere in one of the actual >stories. It's just safer that way. :) Sounds good to me...actually, that sort of thinking is pretty standard on this board, IMHO. Even if a story is a lot more well-known than the SFA3 endings, sometimes it shifts around to make a better tale, so it pays to not think of anything as set in stone, unless you damn well say so. =P > >Anyway, I dunno about Rose, but the Psycho Cheese is human all right, >or at least he started out that way. Ah, right. (Psycho Cheese? Damn. Bison is one of my best characters...him and Guile. Amazing how many CvS2 players haven't been around long enough to learn how to deal with a simple Devil's Reverse.) "...Ye must desire respite from thy empty existence. Thou shalt HAVE it!" |
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Verbena
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Mar-30-02, 03:28 PM (EST) |
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5. "RE: something about battle 5 (and other st"
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>Things that make you go hmmm... > >That whole "Cammy being kicked upstairs" thing. It strikes me as >deeply odd for a variety of reasons, some pretty obvious, some less >so. >- Cammy clearly (to the readership) didn't want to have to shut out >Gryphon. Judging from what we knew of her character beforehand, she >probably wouldn't have wanted the promotion anyway, even if she did >take it. >- She went from "field operative on vacation" to "admin" over the >course of a few days, with no warning. Usually, successors are >groomed. >- Cammy is an amazingly effective field operative. One of her major >strengths is that she is a world warrior, with all of the athleticism, >combat skill, and endurance that that implies. Those abilities are >almost completely wasted as administration. Other operatives, who >specialized in things like information processing, or social >manipulation, would have much more applicable skillsets. > >I guess the Cammy thing only really makes sense to me if >a) someone is deliberately pulling strings to cause Cammy/Gryphon pain >(implied) >or >b) The previous M was assassinated, they think that attempts will be >made on the replacement, and they need someone who can defend >themselves, at least until the threat can be eliminated. >or >c) (the obligatory) both. > >Any other ideas are, of course, welcome. >Let's just say that my vote is 'none of the above'. I mentioned in another thread someplace that I own the Secrets of Shadoloo book and have run SF2 RPG in the past; this puts me in a position to know some things about the RPG version of Ler Drit that just doesn't show up in the game (though they're hinted at in the SF2 anime). Most important is the fact that Ler Drit gets a Focus power called Mind Control. It only makes sense for Bison to be able to do this, of course, but in the book they actually -codified- the danged thing. It was expensive as hell to use, and had a lot of prerequisites (Focus 5, Psychic Rage, Psychic Vise, Telepathy, IIRC), but with repeated use the control became permanent. As soon as I saw how Cammy was acting, I figured she'd been captured in San Francisco and, through the help of a little forceful politicking in MI6 (read: total control by Bison) he placed her there, as a brainwashed, trusted servant to serve his will. Almost certainly this would be the derailment of investigations into Shadoloo activities. If this is the case, though, Bison really missed the boat with regard to IC Gryphon--he could have used the connection to find out where Gryphon lived. I don't think Cammy knew that. But she DID meet Rose, IIRC...if Bison took her over and thought to ask her that, he knows now. As for the crying, I'd assume the mind control isn't 100% in place as of yet, or her emotions were strong enough to break through, that one little bit. As with all my speculations, though, I'm not Gryphon and I could be totally, utterly wrong. ^_^ "...Ye must desire respite from thy empty existence. Thou shalt HAVE it!" |
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Star Ranger4
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Mar-31-02, 04:21 PM (EST) |
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15. "RE: something about battle 5 (and other st"
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>As soon as I saw how Cammy was acting, I figured >she'd been captured in San Francisco and, through the help of a little >forceful politicking in MI6 (read: total control by Bison) he placed >her there, as a brainwashed, trusted servant to serve his will. Almost >certainly this would be the derailment of investigations into Shadoloo >activities. If this is the case, though, Bison really missed the boat >with regard to IC Gryphon--he could have used the connection to find >out where Gryphon lived. I don't think Cammy knew that. But she DID >meet Rose, IIRC...if Bison took her over and thought to ask her that, >he knows now. As for the crying, I'd assume the mind control isn't >100% in place as of yet, or her emotions were strong enough to break >through, that one little bit. > >As with all my speculations, though, I'm not Gryphon and I could be >totally, utterly wrong. ^_^ >And, of course, there is one other possibility that hasn't been mentioned yet. There is always a possibility that there IS mind control involved... but not on Cammy. What if the person being Mind Controlled is the new M? In this way Bison attacks TWO birds with one stone... by having M transfer Cammy to where she's directly under M's thumb, and then Ordering Cammy to no longer see Gryphon or participate in the WL. His puppet is also in a very good place to divert investigations against Shadowlu operations. OF course, this could also be horribly wrong, but it IS an alternate possiblity to the scenario. We'll all just have to wait and see how it turns out in the end, won't we? ---------- OF COURSE you wern't expecting it! NO-ONE expects the FANNISH INQUISITION!!! EPU RCW #86 |
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Gryphon
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Mar-30-02, 06:16 PM (EST) |
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6. "RE: something about battle 5 (and other st"
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>Things that make you go hmmm... > >That whole "Cammy being kicked upstairs" thing. It strikes me as >deeply odd for a variety of reasons, some pretty obvious, some less >so. No, no, no, no, no. Cammy isn't the new M. Her transfer to the home office (if you will) was ordered by the new M. >> "It was lovely meeting you, too, and I'm glad you're feeling much >> better," I said. "You're still very pale, though. You need more sun." > >Okay...so what is this in reference to? It's one of Bill Murray's lines in Ghostbusters. He says it to a co-worker of Sigourney Weaver's character, who plays cello in the New York Philharmonic. >> - Ryu is the galaxy's most inept driver. > >I know it'll never come up in the main plot, but it really might be >rather amusing. I have for some time had the mental image of Ryu and Dhalsim having to commandeer a vehicle for some reason, careening down a highway at night, and having the following exchange (also borrowed from an 80's movie): D: You know what some people are liking when driving at night? R: What? (click) D: Headlights. R: Oh, thank you. That is much better. Would you believe it is five years since I last drove? D: I would say ten. --G. -><- Benjamin D. Hutchins, Co-Founder, Editor in Chief, Netadmin Eyrie Productions, Unlimited http://www.eyrie-productions.com/
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Polychrome
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Mar-30-02, 10:41 PM (EST) |
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10. "RE: something about battle 5 (and other st"
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>>Things that make you go hmmm... >> >>That whole "Cammy being kicked upstairs" thing. It strikes me as >>deeply odd for a variety of reasons, some pretty obvious, some less >>so. > >No, no, no, no, no. Cammy isn't the new M. Her transfer to the home >office (if you will) was ordered by the new M.Would this be the new M from the Brosnan Bond movies (Judi Dench)? I hope so, she one of the best parts of the new movies. Polychrome "With all due respect, M, I don't think you have the balls for this." "Perhaps. The advantage is I don't have to think with them all the time." |
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Gryphon
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Mar-30-02, 11:24 PM (EST) |
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12. "RE: something about battle 5 (and other st"
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>>>No, no, no, no, no. Cammy isn't the new M. Her transfer to the home >>>office (if you will) was ordered by the new M. > >Who, I presume, is basing her decision on the same logic that leads >Guile to dislike WLGryph? Who can understand the workings of the mind of the Evil Queen of Numbers? Maybe she's just annoyed because the private contractors cost so much. :) --G. -><- Benjamin D. Hutchins, Co-Founder, Editor in Chief, Netadmin Eyrie Productions, Unlimited http://www.eyrie-productions.com/
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Berk
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Mar-31-02, 11:07 AM (EST) |
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14. "RE: something about battle 5 (and other st"
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>Who can understand the workings of the mind of the Evil Queen of >Numbers? Maybe she's just annoyed because the private contractors >cost so much. :) You do have to admit.. from the perspective of a shiney new M who's a lot more straightlaced than the previous one who doesn't like old fashioned heroics sort of behavior, G. would be a tremendous threat to the organization... Or at least Cammy's efficiency. How many times has she gone sneaking off to watch him? ...Not to mention the Area 51 bit... - Berk Watkins Student of Quantum Bogodynamics |
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Astynax
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Apr-02-02, 08:00 AM (EST) |
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>...Not to mention the Area 51 bit... This sparked atangent in my head... what if, at least in small part, Cammy's transfer was a sort of 'punishment' for not only her failure to snag the Sky Dancer, but also Gryph and Zoner's role in that same mission? I mean, I doubt that's the -entire- reason, but roll everything mentioned before <G's effect on Cammy's performance, evil scheming behind the scenes, and good old fashioned wounded spy pride> and the combined weight coupled with a dose or three of bureaucratic insensitivity would neatly explain it all <which means it's probably wrong, but damnit is sounded good>.
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zojojojo
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Apr-02-02, 10:56 AM (EST) |
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>>Who can understand the workings of the mind of the Evil Queen of >>Numbers? Maybe she's just annoyed because the private contractors >>cost so much. :) >> > >Gryph, you're playing with our minds again. Even authors need their amusements from timeto time... -Z Rabid Crack Turtle 3.14159 --- Welcome to Hell. Here's your accordion. |
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Rod_H
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Apr-02-02, 10:49 AM (EST) |
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>Who can understand the workings of the mind of the Evil Queen of Numbers? Well, she's new to the big chair of MI6 and it would take a period for the various underlings and departments under it, to get use to her style of running the show. (I'd swear the Admiralty is still spiting chips over the Carver thing.) >Maybe she's just annoyed because the private contractors cost so much. :) Not to mention the fact that the private contractors are just as big a showboat as a certain 00 agent. --Rod.H "No, Mr. Boo, I expect you to fry." |
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