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dbrandon
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Nov-05-01, 03:53 PM (EDT) |
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"Nature of (Norse) Religion in UF"
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So we've established that the Oh my goddess! gods are more or less in charge of the UFverse. So my first question is-- does anyone actually worship these people? I mean in general, main characters aside. Gryphon, obviously... Is there an organized Norse church? Or even a disorganized one? Or... It's been at established (in Twilight) that Odin All-Father is actually the same being (or facet thereof) as Jehovah, Allah, etc. etc. <Twilight3> Odin Winterbeard, Allfather, Ruler of the Gods: this was the name the being in the doorway preferred, although he was known by many others. Other beings in the universe called, or had called, him Zeus; Jupiter; Vathnu-Inato; Yahweh; Kru; Allah; Rao; Great Maker; the Shaper of All Things; Marduk; Eliasinatak; so many others, the list itself would dwarf the telling. </Twilight3> Does this apply to the other Norse gods as well? Does all worship end up at the feet of these people? Which would make a church of their own sort of irrelevant, although possibly useful. If someone were to pray directly to one of the Norns, would she hear them? If there are other pantheons, do Thor, Raiden and Zeus get together for target practice? Or do I just think too much? Dan Brandon ---- Sacrilegious (had to try three times to spell that right) .sig |
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Mephron
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Nov-05-01, 04:15 PM (EDT) |
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2. "RE: Nature of (Norse) Religion in UF"
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>If there are other pantheons, do Thor, Raiden and Zeus get together >for target practice? I sort of like the image of the three of them (and I see Raiden in his Mortal Kombat form) hanging out together with beers tossing lightning bolts at things just to see who can get closest without blowing it up. If I'm correct, I think the betting target at this time is Cuba. -- Geoff Depew - Mephron Haberdasher to Androids, Malakite of Lightning and Angel of Tech Support Professionals (They won't give me LARTs, they say that's restricted to Michael.) -- Jen Dantes - Darth Mephron Haberdasher to Androids, Dark Lady of Sith Tech Support. "This may not be a good idea, but it's the only one I have." |
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StaticdashPulse
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Nov-05-01, 11:40 PM (EDT) |
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4. "RE: Nature of (Norse) Religion in UF"
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>If there are other pantheons, do Thor, Raiden and Zeus get together >for target practice? Wouldn't it be cool to see Skuld go one-on-one against Hephaestus. Static-Pulse - the most impulsive post alive DarkBeast.com |
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Kylone
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Nov-06-01, 00:57 AM (EDT) |
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5. "RE: Nature of (Norse) Religion in UF"
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>So we've established that the Oh my goddess! gods are more or less in >charge of the UFverse. > >So my first question is-- does anyone actually worship these people? >I mean in general, main characters aside. Gryphon, obviously... Is >there an organized Norse church? Or even a disorganized one? Or... Being a big fan of D&D, I then to follow that system's... cosmology as a sort of default (in fiction). Basically, when an individual does something that lies within a god's "portfolio" (e.g. Technology for Skuld), then he worships that god, knowingly or not. Just think of the many inventors out there who have no idea Skuld exists, yet I'd think that they worship her when they are successful (esp. beneficial inventions), or even undertaking the effort to invent. My 2 yen. --Chris "What is the difference between a fighter and a warrior?" "The warrior is defeated, especially at higher levels."
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Gryphon
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Nov-06-01, 01:11 AM (EDT) |
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6. "RE: Nature of (Norse) Religion in UF"
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>Being a big fan of D&D, I then to follow that system's... cosmology as >a sort of default (in fiction). Basically, when an individual does >something that lies within a god's "portfolio" (e.g. Technology for >Skuld), then he worships that god, knowingly or not. >Just think of the many inventors out there who have no idea Skuld >exists, yet I'd think that they worship her when they are successful >(esp. beneficial inventions), or even undertaking the effort to >invent. Yeah. That's basically how it is. Religion in the UF universe is much too complicated a thing for me to want to get into here (hence my initial evasive answer, which was also produced by a lack of time to really answer anything at that moment). The gods have many names, and with them many faces, but not all the gods that mortals worship map to one of the real gods in Asgard. Some of them are other things. The ancient Atlantean society had a cult that worshipped dorats, the great space dragons that inhabited the region of space around their empire. The people of Epsilon Eridani III worship unknowable cosmic entities that may be merely technological artifacts left behind by a dead civilization. The Church of Man worship a particularly weird interpretation of Odin and don't realize it. The gods themselves don't change based on their worshippers' interpretations, though; they're just them, and they're busy people - they generally don't see fit to try and correct mortal interpretations of them that are wrong. Not only is it time-consuming, it's usually futile. Appear to a guy who thinks God is a pillar of green flame as anything other than a pillar of green flame and he'll think you're an agent of darkness come to tempt him away from the True Path. Odin once found that irony amusing, but since then it's gotten a bit old. As far as committing an act of technological innovation being an act of Skuld worship by definition goes, that's more or less right, though it's not exactly worship without a will toward supplication behind it. I'm not sure what you'd call it instead, though. A lot of technology types do get the occasional smile from her, whether they realize it or not. She seems to have a special fondness for ships' engineers. :) --G. -><- Benjamin D. Hutchins, Co-Founder, Editor in Chief, Netadmin Eyrie Productions, Unlimited http://www.eyrie-productions.com/
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BobSchroeck
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Nov-06-01, 08:02 AM (EDT) |
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7. "RE: Nature of (Norse) Religion in UF"
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>As far as committing an act of technological innovation being an act >of Skuld worship by definition goes, that's more or less right, though >it's not exactly worship without a will toward supplication >behind it. I'm not sure what you'd call it instead, though.Perhaps "devotion" -- not in the sense of emotional attachment, but in the sense of a ritual? > A lot of >technology types do get the occasional smile from her, whether they >realize it or not. She seems to have a special fondness for ships' >engineers. :) Well, then, that explains why Scotty gets away with as much flaunting of the laws of physics as he does. (That, or he's secretly a Skuld cleric... <grin>) -- Bob --------------- 500 plastic ducks. 1 world. Infinite possibilities. http://www.ifoundaduck.com -- Bob ------------------- My race is pacifist and does not believe in war. We kill only out of personal spite. |
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Star Ranger4
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Nov-07-01, 03:05 AM (EDT) |
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11. "RE: Nature of (Norse) Religion in UF"
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>> A lot of >>technology types do get the occasional smile from her, whether they >>realize it or not. She seems to have a special fondness for ships' >>engineers. :) > >Well, then, that explains why Scotty gets away with as much flaunting >of the laws of physics as he does. (That, or he's secretly a Skuld >cleric... <grin>) >Now I cant get this image out of my head of his just waiting til J.T. Kirk will get out of sight so Scotty can whack the reluctant thing a couple of times with his Blessed Hammer. ^_^; ___________________
Vaughn doesn't know I exist. I guess this explains why the rest of reality keeps ignoring me as well. >_< Of COURSE you wernt expecting it! No One expects the FANNISH INQUISITION! RCW# 86 |
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Blob
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Nov-07-01, 05:09 AM (EDT) |
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12. "RE: Nature of (Norse) Religion in UF"
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>>> A lot of >>>technology types do get the occasional smile from her, whether they >>>realize it or not. She seems to have a special fondness for ships' >>>engineers. :) >> >>Well, then, that explains why Scotty gets away with as much flaunting >>of the laws of physics as he does. (That, or he's secretly a Skuld >>cleric... <grin>) >> > >Now I cant get this image out of my head of his just waiting til J.T. >Kirk will get out of sight so Scotty can whack the reluctant thing a >couple of times with his Blessed Hammer. ^_^; Now I've got a mental image of Scotty chasing bugs with Skuld's hammer. ... AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!! *head explodes* ---------------- "And what _are_ we dealing with? Little green men!?" "No. Little green blobs in bonded polycarbite-armor!" |
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Peter Eng
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Nov-07-01, 00:25 AM (EDT) |
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8. "RE: Nature of (Norse) Religion in UF"
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> >If there are other pantheons, do Thor, Raiden and Zeus get together >for target practice? >I can't say about the target practice thing, but there are other pantheons. It says so in Twilight 3, when the fleet first enters Asgard. Check the first conversation with Heimdall. Peter Eng Peter Eng -- Insert humorous comment here. |
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Redneck
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Nov-07-01, 01:06 AM (EDT) |
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10. "RE: Nature of (Norse) Religion in UF"
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>>Check the first conversation with Heimdall. > >Given that this was a sarcastic remark by Skuld, I'm not sure that it >tells us much... It was -very- much a sarcastic remark; the intent was to point out that since there -were- no other pantheons, mortal help was the only kind she was likely to find. It should be pointed out, though, that while the gods are powerful, and Odin all-powerful, none of them is infallible... Redneck Red wizard needs money badly... www.wlpcomics.com White Lightning Productions - don't tell the Pope |
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