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Vehrec
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Feb-17-10, 11:42 AM (EDT) |
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"GENOM spacecraft question."
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So with the Imperator class being taken out of production and replaced by the Venator in serial runs, the fighter wing of the fleet is getting a significant upgrade, especially in numbers. And there are still a lot of Imperial class hulls who are now toting around a fighter compliment an order of magnitude smaller than the new guy. So, with that in mind, has anyone dug up the Tector design study and looked into rebuilding some Imperators? If the powers that be aren't familiar with the Tector, I'll elaborate. In Return of the Jedi, one of the ships of the imperial fleet has the Millenium Falcon fly past its underside, giving us a clear view of a totally armored surface. No hanger. No reactor bulging out. Just clean clear battleplate, well as clean as any Imperial ship gets. That ship was given the name Tector in 2006, and retroactively declared a close sister class of the Imperator. The class tradeoffs are obvious, giving up almost all fighter and landing capacity to add more armor and ship to ship ability. So its a less flexible design inherently than the solid all around profile of the Imperator. But, paired up with some of these new ships in a squadron, and you have a powerful fighting ship that can cover its more vulnerable partners and draw enemy fire safely. That said, the rebuild is daunting, and might be unjustifiable compared to the cost of building new hulls. The reactor needs to be remounted, the armor belts thickened, the hanger torn out, filled in and plated over, the legion stripped down to a skeleton force for counter-boarding operations, engines tuned for a higher mass profile, and the gunline probably could be expanded while you're at it.For all that work, it might be hard to justify the effort when to the naked eye you actually get a reduction in combat ability. “Navigare Necesse Est”-'Get me out of here!' Group Captain Konstantin Vehrec |
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Mephron
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Feb-17-10, 11:56 AM (EDT) |
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1. "RE: GENOM spacecraft question."
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I'm thinking your last paragraph answers your question rather well. There may be one or two Tectors done as proof-of-concept, but as the Venators move into service, the Imperators will probably be dismantled and not scrapped so much as recycled, the materials smelted down and used to create more Venators. I mean, let's face it: that's rather a lot of metal to just toss away; might as well reuse it. A very few Venators may be redirected in a line based on the Tector experiments as dedicated escort ships, but in the end, the Imperators are destined to go into honorable retirement, their materials reforged into their successors. -- Geoff Depew - Darth Mephron Haberdasher to Androids, Dark Lord of Sith Tech Support. "And Remember! Google is your Friend!!" |
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Gryphon
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Feb-17-10, 01:15 PM (EDT) |
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3. "RE: GENOM spacecraft question."
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>as the >Venators move into service, the Imperators will probably be dismantled >and not scrapped so much as recycled, the materials smelted down and >used to create more Venators. I mean, let's face it: that's rather a >lot of metal to just toss away; might as well reuse it. Actually, most of the Imperator class is slated to remain in service for a good while yet; it's the older, smaller Victory-class Star Destroyers that are being phased out as the Venators come online. For good or ill, the Imperator is the flagship product (as it were) of KDY's Star Destroyer line, and the starship people think of first when they think of the Military Arm. Getting rid of them anytime soon is just not in the cards. As for the retiring Victory-class ships, I expect you're right that the oldest ones, the spaceframes that are reaching the end of their useful service lives, will be reclaimed for construction materials. A lot of them (especially the later Block IV and Block V models) are still fairly young vessels, though, and big, sturdy, well-propelled hulls are much in demand in certain sectors of the starship market. I'd expect those to be demilitarized (which is not the same as total disarmament) and sold. Some of the ones in sort of intermediate condition would then most likely be broken up to provide spare parts for those remaining in service. For that matter, they don't all have to be demilitarized. There are plenty of planetary defense forces that would jump at the chance to have even a small(ish), somewhat aged Star Destroyer as the centerpiece of their fleets. For all that Old GENOM used them as symbols of terror and oppression, everybody respects the Star Destroyer series for its capabilities and its build quality - they're a prestige product. --G. "I'm not talking about your local bulk cruisers, I mean the big Corellian ships, now." -><- Benjamin D. Hutchins, Co-Founder, Editor-in-Chief, & Forum Admin Eyrie Productions, Unlimited http://www.eyrie-productions.com/ Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam. |
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Gryphon
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Feb-17-10, 01:19 PM (EDT) |
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4. "RE: GENOM spacecraft question."
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>So with the Imperator class being taken out of production and >replaced by the Venator in serial runs, the fighter wing of the >fleet is getting a significant upgrade, especially in numbers. And >there are still a lot of Imperial class hulls who are now toting >around a fighter compliment an order of magnitude smaller than the new >guy. So, with that in mind, has anyone dug up the Tector >design study and looked into rebuilding some Imperators? Nah. Even a small fighter wing can still defend the fleet while the Venators' smallcraft are doing force projection, and the benefits you get from removing the hangar deck don't outweigh the hassle. KDY probably built one back in the bad old days in response to Largo's Hitlerian need to meddle in R&D he didn't understand - "Build me one of these, but with even huger armor and more guns!" - and then went back to building the more flexible, militarily useful design once he'd lost interest and moved on to harass the biotech department. --G. -><- Benjamin D. Hutchins, Co-Founder, Editor-in-Chief, & Forum Admin Eyrie Productions, Unlimited http://www.eyrie-productions.com/ Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam. |
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Vehrec
Member since Feb-21-09
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Feb-17-10, 06:50 PM (EDT) |
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6. "RE: GENOM spacecraft question."
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>>So with the Imperator class being taken out of production and >>replaced by the Venator in serial runs, the fighter wing of the >>fleet is getting a significant upgrade, especially in numbers. And >>there are still a lot of Imperial class hulls who are now toting >>around a fighter compliment an order of magnitude smaller than the new >>guy. So, with that in mind, has anyone dug up the Tector >>design study and looked into rebuilding some Imperators? > >Nah. Even a small fighter wing can still defend the fleet while the >Venators' smallcraft are doing force projection, and the >benefits you get from removing the hangar deck don't outweigh the >hassle. KDY probably built one back in the bad old days in response >to Largo's Hitlerian need to meddle in R&D he didn't understand - >"Build me one of these, but with even huger armor and more >guns!" - and then went back to building the more flexible, >militarily useful design once he'd lost interest and moved on to >harass the biotech department. > >--G. >-><- >Benjamin D. Hutchins, Co-Founder, Editor-in-Chief, & Forum Admin >Eyrie Productions, Unlimited http://www.eyrie-productions.com/ >Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam. Well, the mono-role design might actually make the designers breathe a sigh of relief. None of the feature creep that must have threatened their other big projects. No debates on who gets priority, just a single design specification to build the best battleship they could. That's easy compared to some of the other modifications for ISDs that have surfaced over the years. Don't forget that some of the EU has produced things like a ISD modified for Interdiction with gravity well generators, or the publicly owned one that wound up sporting a superlaser in its forward 400 meters or so of hull. Either the designs very forgiving and easy to modify or somewhere there's a man sitting on a mountain of cash for being smart enough to pull that off. Maybe both.To be frank, the use of hanger space on an ISD must be hideously contested. The Legion needs to store their pre-fab base, and their AT-ATs plus landers for the same. The fighter wing needs to avoid taking up so much space that the main bay can't be used to hold or tow captured craft-there's several hundred thousand cubic meters you won't use very often. That's the risk of being multi-role, you wind up being mediocre for your displacement at any one of them, like those Iowa conversions that were supposed to delete the rear turret to add a large helipad and hanger. As for Largo harassing the Biotech department... damnit, you've got me thinking about Mir again. That girl has infected my brain. She'd probably sing DISPIDIA( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yholPj9DfKQ ) for him, if she got the chance. Chains and binding wills together and making him her slave and all that. “Navigare Necesse Est”-'Get me out of here!' Group Captain Konstantin Vehrec |
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