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"109 - Outward Trajectory (cont.)"
 
   Hm...

Well, it was good. It had plenty of good bits. I don't want to say I'm disappointed, but... yeah, okay, I'm disappointed. A little.

I suppose part of it is that Upward Mobility was so very enjoyable that the bar was set pretty high and the wait drove expectations even higher. That's only to be expected with works released episodically by people who have more important things to do during the holidays.


The general feeling of stress and fatigue plaguing the team (which I could definitely relate to, with my midterm exams looming) seemed to affect the pacing of the story itself. It constantly meandered around and got distracted by various asides. (Nick's Lens! Burger joint robberies? Talking Polar Bears!) It wasn't *hitting* plot points as much as just sort of stumbling into them.


The handling of Sara's powers feels off. With a three-episode arc that kicks off with her accident, you'd expect her new abilities to play a *pivotal* role of some sort in the finale. Instead, she... saves a guy, who turns out to be a dupe, of another guy, who is actually just someone *pretending* to be the guy, who turns out to be working for Agent A, who is... Clarissa Broadbank! Which we (the readers) already knew. Sara's part is just kind of buried in the chain of events there.

The place in the story where I'd *except* Sara to make a dramatic contribution is taken up instead by the revelation that Grissom's a Jedi. Which is *nifty*, but...

It just seems like kind of a shoddy construction, plot-wise. Unless you look at the whole "Sara gets Speed powers" as just a device to usher the Sara/Ben arc along. In which case, the construction is fine (the conclusion of that arc being Sara arriving at Ben's house), but the thematic part suddenly becomes very eyebrow-raising. ("Okay, we've taken care of problem #11 with the relationship, Sara Doesn't Have Superpowers. Moving on to problem #12, Gryph Feels Like He's Betraying Kei.")


I enjoyed the banter between Geoff and Catherine, and just about any scene with Geoff in it. Who knew the man had so much Deadpan Snarker in him? But then, the IPO culture seems to bring out hidden humor potential in anybody.

Klingon bank robbery: priceless! Janice's arc through the Symphonies was pretty low-key compared to Utena and Kate's tribulations, but I have to say the Ragolian redread and her crew have been growing on me since, oh, The Revolution Will Be Televised or so.

So Catherine's getting a Lens *in addition* to whatever the "toybox" contains? Suggestive.

Overall a good story, but it makes me wish for a little less new set-up and a little more actual *closure*.

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  RE: 109 - Outward Trajectory (cont.) Gryphonadmin Dec-30-07 1
     RE: 109 - Outward Trajectory (cont.) Wedge Dec-30-07 2
         RE: 109 - Outward Trajectory (cont.) Meagen Dec-31-07 4
             RE: 109 - Outward Trajectory (cont.) Ardaniel Dec-31-07 8
                 RE: 109 - Outward Trajectory (cont.) Wedge Dec-31-07 10
                     RE: 109 - Outward Trajectory (cont.) Meagen Dec-31-07 11
                         RE: 109 - Outward Trajectory (cont.) Wedge Dec-31-07 12
         RE: 109 - Outward Trajectory (cont.) mdg1 Dec-31-07 5
             RE: 109 - Outward Trajectory (cont.) Wedge Dec-31-07 9
                 RE: 109 - Outward Trajectory (cont.) Peter Eng Dec-31-07 13
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1. "RE: 109 - Outward Trajectory (cont.)"
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   >The general feeling of stress and fatigue plaguing the team (which I
>could definitely relate to, with my midterm exams looming) seemed to
>affect the pacing of the story itself. It constantly meandered around
>and got distracted by various asides. (Nick's Lens! Burger joint
>robberies? Talking Polar Bears!) It wasn't *hitting* plot points as
>much as just sort of stumbling into them.

Well, it may seem strange, and perhaps, as it turns out, ill-advised, but - that was more or less what I was going for. I kind of wanted that disjointed feeling, that sense that things aren't perfectly lining up - because that's how a weekend that goes like this one did should feel to the people involved in it. Strange things happen that don't seem to have any significant connection to anything else; life proceeds with its own chaotic lack of a schedule even when all hell's breaking loose. In this business, especially, everything doesn't always wrap tidily up at the end of 44 minutes.

The thing about the UF version of the CSI crew that I always have to remind myself to hang onto is that, even as they accumulate various quirks and specialties just by exposure to the sci-fi background radiation of their new setting, they're basically still regular people, unaccustomed to and uncomfortable with the kind of pace and general craziness that's all in a day's work for some other parts of the IPO. That ends up being reflected in things like their reactions to Hell Night, and other matters I'll touch on below.

(As an aside, I'm not sure how much of a distraction you can legitimately call Sgt. Ragnarsson; he appears in one passage, provides an amusing mental image, and otherwise serves pretty much the same story function as, say, Frank Tripp. Again, to me that's all part of doing business in a universe like UF's - sometimes you get Jim Brass to help you knock on the door, sometimes you end up with a polar bear in power armor. Eventually, you learn to roll with it, or you find another line of work. :)

>The handling of Sara's powers feels off. With a three-episode arc that
>kicks off with her accident, you'd expect her new abilities to play a
>*pivotal* role of some sort in the finale.

It's funny, but that was pretty much exactly what I was striving not to do. It's so... expected, so pat, so straight-up comic-book origin story. Character is doing fine in some relatively mundane line of work, character gains superpowers, character saves day, recognizes True Destiny, puts on funny underwear. And I dunno. I'm a superhero guy, I love variations on that old story as much as the next guy, but putting Sara through that particular sausage machine just doesn't work for me. By sort of fading her powers into the background, I was basically trying to indicate that they haven't redefined her image of herself, or altered some cosmic setting such that she's suddenly in the save-the-day spot more often. In her mind, she's not A Super-Speedster who works as a criminalist to pay the rent; she's a criminalist who has an interesting ability.

Another thing that may be muddying the waters a little is that the arc this episode ends didn't really start with Sara's accident back in "Forward Momentum"; it started with Nick getting shot at the end of that episode. The investigation into that incident and the events connected to same unfold through "Upward Mobility" and through to the end of Hell Night in "Outward Trajectory".

Add to that the fact that, as with any multi-part episode that is itself part of a continuing series, it doesn't - it was never intended to - resolve everything that's going on; only the short-term course of events, that is to say, "Ecklie" and Kelshar's plot to cause havoc for the crime lab, and the way that plot got away from them when they involved other forces, like Big Fire, who decided their goal wasn't comprehensive enough. As the last few graphs before the ending credits note, the characters' work is far from done; all that really "ends" here is the immediate crisis.

As such, the next episode involves what to the characters are different incidents, but they connect back to what's already happened - life (and a continuing series) is like that.

>Agent A, who is... Clarissa Broadbank! Which we (the readers) already
>knew.

Well, I take your point, but we couldn't really help that. Besides, you knew that, but nobody else on the blue side (as it were) in-story did, so to them it was certainly dramatic. :)

>Unless you look at the whole "Sara gets Speed powers" as just a device
>to usher the Sara/Ben arc along. In which case, the construction is
>fine (the conclusion of that arc being Sara arriving at Ben's house),
>but the thematic part suddenly becomes very eyebrow-raising. ("Okay, we've
>taken care of problem #11 with the relationship, Sara Doesn't Have
>Superpowers. Moving on to problem #12, Gryph Feels Like He's Betraying
>Kei.")

Hmm. While it was never my intent to take such an... er... assembly-line approach to the matter, I can see where the way it's turned out so far would give you that impression. I can say that what happened to Sara in "Forward Momentum" really had nothing to do with the whole her-and-the-Chief thing (her remark, intended to be sarcastic, toward the end of that story notwithstanding), but it's up to you whether you believe me...

Anyway, I have some nice bits in the pipe for them in "Road Trip" already, hopefully demonstrating that her appearance at the very end of "Outward Trajectory" is anything but "the conclusion of that arc". One of the things I like about the ongoing evolution of their deal is that it's not easy for them - they've known each other for nearly a year by this point and still haven't figured out quite what the hell they are to each other, they only know they're something - which is so unlike the typical (or stereotypical) way these things go in the Chief's neighborhood that it's refreshing to me even as it's driving the characters crazy.

>I enjoyed the banter between Geoff and Catherine, and just about any
>scene with Geoff in it. Who knew the man had so much Deadpan Snarker
>in him? But then, the IPO culture seems to bring out hidden humor
>potential in anybody.

Heh, I dunno if it's the IPO culture in general, or working with Catherine in particular, that draws that out of him. As we worked on 108 and 109, those two seemed to develop an odd sort of chemistry that made putting them together in scenes a lot of fun.

>Klingon bank robbery: priceless!

It is my personal belief that even cops - maybe even especially cops - dream of being part of a really good heist. :)

>So Catherine's getting a Lens *in addition* to whatever the "toybox"
>contains? Suggestive.

Well, G did say in "Upward Mobility" that what's in the toybox is basically "Lens 2.0" - so it makes a certain amount of sense that someone being seriously considered for that would be Lens-eligible to start with.

>Overall a good story, but it makes me wish for a little less new
>set-up and a little more actual *closure*.

Yeah, sorry about that. It could be argued, and I would be hard-pressed to disagree, that the "sub-arc within larger television-style series concept" thing doesn't entirely work in episodic prose. Or at least that I didn't that part terribly well. But what the hell, every experiment is an opportunity to learn something, even if it's only "setting your eyebrows on fire hurts." :)

For the record, things we'll be looking at further in "Road Trip" include:

- Will the Real Conrad Ecklie Please Explain Where the Fuck He's Been?
- Catherine's conversation with Lindsey back in "Forward Momentum"
- Nick's unwelcome confrontation with his genetic origins (we'll find out who his Detian parent is, and no, it's not Gryphon)

(That, and whether Speed gets fired.)

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2. "RE: 109 - Outward Trajectory (cont.)"
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>>Overall a good story, but it makes me wish for a little less new
>>set-up and a little more actual *closure*.
>
>Yeah, sorry about that. It could be argued, and I would be
>hard-pressed to disagree, that the "sub-arc within larger
>television-style series concept" thing doesn't entirely work in
>episodic prose. Or at least that I didn't that part terribly well.
>But what the hell, every experiment is an opportunity to learn
>something, even if it's only "setting your eyebrows on fire hurts." :)

The actual shows themselves strive for this kind of thing, though, too. They may solve the case in 45 minutes, but rarely are any of the personal problems of the characters put to rest so quickly. Indeed, they played that game so much in the Vegas show that it actually turned me off watching it any more after season 5. The way things were headed with Grissom and Sara really kind of grated on me. It felt more like writer pressure than anything real, and given how I've heard things wound up, I'm glad I passed on it. But who am I to judge; when I was home for the holidays recently, my father caught me watching an ep on Spike and proceeded to expound on how great it was that Gris and Sara got together, because it made Grissom seem more human (I'm stating this rather more eloquently than he did, but. He also referred to Calleigh as 'The Gun Princess', which, you know, good taste is genetic ;).

I'd like to think what we're striving for here is a balance between UF's space opera and the show's need to put the characters through the ringer. I'd like to avoid the actual-show situations Gryph refer's to as, "does anyone this episode NOT need a hug?" But I'd be stupid if I thought moments like that weren't dramatically important sometimes. :)

And I'd also like to think that, say, everything in this run of CSI:NA might be stitched together by ep 124, but then maybe it won't, or maybe it'll be worse. But you're certainly not going to get a sense of completion of every possible character arc by 109.



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4. "RE: 109 - Outward Trajectory (cont.)"
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   >>>Overall a good story, but it makes me wish for a little less new
>>>set-up and a little more actual *closure*.
>>
>>Yeah, sorry about that. It could be argued, and I would be
>>hard-pressed to disagree, that the "sub-arc within larger
>>television-style series concept" thing doesn't entirely work in
>>episodic prose.
>
>The actual shows themselves strive for this kind of thing, though,
>too. They may solve the case in 45 minutes, but rarely are any of the
>personal problems of the characters put to rest so quickly.

Let's take a story like Ash Knight. It's definitely part of a larger arc, and it doesn't actually *end* any important threads, but it has some real development and *payoff* from elements introduced in previous stories.

Now, for a moment, imagine a version of the story where:

- Touga doesn't release a wurm, just does something vague and malevolent that will probably be explained at some point.
- The order of the Ash Knights is mentioned by Balder and then never brought up again in that story.
- The Dwarf district is introduced as part of Juni's sightseeing trip, with no mention of Ironbridge for now.
- Juni's journeyman trial is carried out entirely off-screen by Kate.

You end up with a story that has roughly the same setpieces, but is a whole less interesting and satisfying to read. The reader may or may not feel a sense of pay-off once we actually *get* to Juni receiving her Ironbridge blade and being inducted into the Order of the Ash Knights, however long that may take. But for now, it's just a whole lot *more* set-up on top of all the *existing* set-up, and that just gets less and less fun as it goes on.

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8. "RE: 109 - Outward Trajectory (cont.)"
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   LAST EDITED ON Dec-31-07 AT 12:36 PM (EST)
 
You are looking for high fantasy in a detective/ episodic police procedural paradigm.

You are likely to remain disappointed if you persist in such efforts.

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10. "RE: 109 - Outward Trajectory (cont.)"
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   LAST EDITED ON Dec-31-07 AT 12:55 PM (EST)
 
>You are looking for high fantasy in a detective/ episodic police
>procedural paradigm.
>
>You are likely to remain disappointed if you persist in such efforts.

Yeah, I don't really have more to add than what Ard's said, really. You're looking for Guardians of the Flame in the X-Files aisle. You're bound to be disappointed.



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11. "RE: 109 - Outward Trajectory (cont.)"
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   >>You are looking for high fantasy in a detective/ episodic police
>>procedural paradigm.
>>
>>You are likely to remain disappointed if you persist in such efforts.
>
>Yeah, I don't really have more to add than what Ard's said, really.
>You're looking for Guardians of the Flame in the X-Files
>aisle. You're bound to be disappointed.
>

All I am "looking for" is coherent plotting and a solved mystery/new mystery ratio that doesn't strain my patience. (And maybe some explosions. Those are cool.)

Anyway, not gonna dwell on it. Some UF stories are awesome and make me sit up and cheer, some give me the warm fuzzies, some fail to get much of a rise out of me. I read, I log my impressions, I move on.

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12. "RE: 109 - Outward Trajectory (cont.)"
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   >>>You are looking for high fantasy in a detective/ episodic police
>>>procedural paradigm.
>>>
>>>You are likely to remain disappointed if you persist in such efforts.
>>
>>Yeah, I don't really have more to add than what Ard's said, really.
>>You're looking for Guardians of the Flame in the X-Files
>>aisle. You're bound to be disappointed.
>>
>
>All I am "looking for" is coherent plotting and a solved mystery/new
>mystery ratio that doesn't strain my patience. (And maybe some
>explosions. Those are cool.)

You're misreading illustration for snark. I *like* both Guardians of the Flame and X-Files, but I'd not get any more traction trying to compare the two than I would trying to compare Symphony and CSI: NA. I'm not trying to give you a hard time for not liking it, far from it. You like apples, all we've got at the moment is oranges. It's all good. :)



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5. "RE: 109 - Outward Trajectory (cont.)"
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   I have to ask...

Am I the only person who liked Gil better when he _wasn't_ "more human"?

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9. "RE: 109 - Outward Trajectory (cont.)"
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   >I have to ask...
>
>Am I the only person who liked Gil better when he _wasn't_ "more
>human"?

Like I said, I bailed on the show, so. I always enjoyed his moments of personal growth and such, that was always neat. The whole deal with Sara just felt like they were aiming to screw him (and her, though the show-version of Sara is already a mess anyway, which is alright from the character standpoint) over. It didn't feel natural to me.

The shows were also getting a little more sensationalist and a little less cerebral, too, which is funny seeing how much of a sucker I am for the Miami show for exactly the same thing. They've never made an effort to hide that fact on that show, however, so they've got a bigger license.



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13. "RE: 109 - Outward Trajectory (cont.)"
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   >
>The shows were also getting a little more sensationalist and a little
>less cerebral, too, which is funny seeing how much of a sucker I am
>for the Miami show for exactly the same thing.
>

In my opinion, it's like having Nero Wolfe shoot somebody, to use an extreme example. The characters are established as primarily cerebral sorts, and it's jarring to see them shift gears.

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14. "RE: 109 - Outward Trajectory (cont.)"
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   >In my opinion, it's like having Nero Wolfe shoot somebody, to use an
>extreme example. The characters are established as primarily cerebral
>sorts, and it's jarring to see them shift gears.

I am no fan of the sloppy Gris/Sara retcon and the Relationship, Wedge's father's approval aside.

Mulder never got any until the X-Files, as a series, was undeniably cold and dead. CSI should've taken that lesson to heart.

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16. "RE: 109 - Outward Trajectory (cont.)"
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   >I am no fan of the sloppy Gris/Sara retcon and the Relationship,
>Wedge's father's approval aside.
>
>Mulder never got any until the X-Files, as a series, was undeniably
>cold and dead. CSI should've taken that lesson to heart.

Toss this into your brainbox, for a run around the considerator - Grissom/Lady Heather as a relationship.

That's always been my preferred relationship in CSI:Vegas, and I have a powerful powerful hate for Sara as a character, and her bringing Grissom into her Web of Failure doesn't help my opinion of her any..

Theoretically, there's a 7-Season CSI Overdose Box headed my way, so we'll see once I come out of the CSI-Coma.


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17. "RE: 109 - Outward Trajectory (cont.)"
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>Toss this into your brainbox, for a run around the considerator -
>Grissom/Lady Heather as a relationship.

Stupid of me to forget, but I meant to add that I thought the show did Lady Heather a disservice by making her a criminal - and I'm operating that opinion on rumor and hearsay, since I don't have the relevant seasons, nor do I have TV service.


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20. "RE: 109 - Outward Trajectory (cont.)"
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   >
>>Toss this into your brainbox, for a run around the considerator -
>>Grissom/Lady Heather as a relationship.
>
>Stupid of me to forget, but I meant to add that I thought the show did
>Lady Heather a disservice by making her a criminal - and I'm operating
>that opinion on rumor and hearsay, since I don't have the relevant
>seasons, nor do I have TV service.

Lady Heather has largely been... vastly more complicated than CSI's writing staff can easily handle in any given episode, given that she only turns up about once a season. They also dialed her Thing With Gris back to just friends in "The Good, The Bad, and The Dominatrix" this season.

I have always been in favor of the canon Gris and the canon LH having a Complicated Intellectual D/s Thing, or of canon Gris and canon Cath having some sort of friends-with-benefits arrangement. Canon Gris doesn't strike me as the sort of guy to settle down into something very straightforward and emotionally simple.

Canon Sara strikes me as a *stalker,* plain and simple.

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21. "RE: 109 - Outward Trajectory (cont.)"
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   LAST EDITED ON Jan-02-08 AT 01:21 AM (EST)
 
And none of you people know what I had to talk Gryph out of doing.

My god. If you had known what I threw myself in front of the metaphorical bullet (and used the phrase 'don't make me take vacation days and come up to Maine just to beat you') to stop, you'd thank me.

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22. "RE: 109 - Outward Trajectory (cont.)"
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   >And none of you people know what I had to talk Gryph out of doing.

Oh, come on. It wouldn't have been that bad.

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23. "RE: 109 - Outward Trajectory (cont.)"
In response to message #20
 
   >Canon Sara strikes me as a *stalker,* plain and simple.

The mental image that statement gives me?

Is vaguely precious, if entirely incongruous, and involves the phrase "claws/super reflexes".

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VA_Wanderer
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24. "RE: 109 - Outward Trajectory (cont.)"
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   >>Canon Sara strikes me as a *stalker,* plain and simple.
>
>The mental image that statement gives me?
>
>Is vaguely precious, if entirely incongruous, and involves the phrase
>"claws/super reflexes".
>
>--G.
>[HIDING]

Don't make me pop a bunch of yellows, you nefarious Author.


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18. "RE: 109 - Outward Trajectory (cont.)"
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   LAST EDITED ON Dec-31-07 AT 09:51 PM (EST)
 
>I have
>a powerful powerful hate for Sara as a character, and her bringing
>Grissom into her Web of Failure doesn't help my opinion of her any..

Ouch. Harsh, dude.

It seems somehow unlikely that anything further I'd have to say on the subject would be relevant or true from your perspective, so I guess I'll leave it at that. I mean, I don't think it works terribly well either, but I prefer to blame the writers. Damn.

Oh! Actually, I have thought of one thing you might find reassuring: Grissom's in the clear. If he even had a shot, he blew it back in 108.

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Norgarth
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6. "RE: 109 - Outward Trajectory (cont.)"
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   on the topic of Ecklie/Not-Ecklie, when I read this bit in Trajectory;

>"According to this, Ecklie's been fixing evidence since December.
>Jesus. This is going to open up a huge can of worms."

I remembered a bit I'd read in Locard's Exchange (mainly due to having reread the previous CSI stories with the annotations).

> Gryphon looked thoughtful. "It might not be such a bad idea
>at that. Listen," he said, holding up a palm to forestall protest.
>"The way we do things here doesn't suit your temperament. Maybe you'd
>be -happier- working someplace else. You'd be a good fit for a more
>conventional agency. I happen to know that the Zardon Justice
>Department is looking for a CSI supervisor for Mega-City Three. I'd
>be happy to write you a letter of recommendation."

The timedate for that conversation: Nov 30, 2408.

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25. "RE: 109 - Outward Trajectory (cont.)"
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   >In her mind, she's not A Super-Speedster who works as a criminalist to
>pay the rent; she's a criminalist who has an interesting ability.
>
That's too bad. It would be amusing to hear her say, "I just work for Vizzini to pay the bills." (Meaning Grissom, of course, in the place of Vizzini. Though Grissom is slightly less likely to drink iocane powder with his wine without building up an immunity first.)


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3. "RE: 109 - Outward Trajectory (cont.)"
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   >whatever the "toybox" contains

As if it wasn't obvious by now.


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Norgarth
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7. "RE: 109 - Outward Trajectory (cont.)"
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   >>whatever the "toybox" contains
>
>As if it wasn't obvious by now.

This is Skuld's toybox, I suspect there all kinds of things in there. 8) (though yes, what is being offered to Cathrine does seem fairly obvious)

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15. "RE: 109 - Outward Trajectory (cont.)"
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   >This is Skuld's toybox, I suspect there all kinds of things in there. 8)
>(though yes, what is being offered to Cathrine does seem fairly obvious)

Well, I don't have a freaking clue, obvious or not, so...

Though, come to think of it, I'm happier that way.

--
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19. "RE: 109 - Outward Trajectory (cont.)"
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   >>This is Skuld's toybox, I suspect there all kinds of things in there. 8)
>>(though yes, what is being offered to Cathrine does seem fairly obvious)
>
>Well, I don't have a freaking clue, obvious or not, so...

We've been told that it's called "Project BRIGHTEST DAY" and it's green. You either know what that means or you probably wouldn't recognise it anyway.


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