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"Clairon Call (new thread)"
 
   Play-by-play time, now that I've had time for it to sink in a little.

>He sighed. "-So- tempted to conquer the universe right now."

I liked this sequence. It really shows off the essential paradox of being the Good Guys.

> The young Valkyrie hesitated, then plowed on, "I'm probably not
>supposed to say this in so many words, but think about it: We are, in
>effect, making you a goddess tomorrow, Utena."

This sequence? Made me realise how much you Get It. A lot of people out there on the Interwebs would say that you've "ruined" Utena by pairing her up with your original character. But you go out of your way to acknowledge that if Utena accepted the role of a bride without misgivings, she wouldn't be Utena, and not even True Love can change that.

> Gesturing to another, much less sleek robotic figure in the
>middle of the room, Eve turned pleading eyes to Corwin and said, "Help."

Well, her prayers have just been answered.

> "... -You,-" Chad managed, every hair on the back of his
>neck standing erect.
> "Me, indeed," Sivar replied. "We have much to speak of, Chad."

It's hard being agnostic in a world where you can bump into your deity at a friend's wedding.

> Utena considered that, then gave her old friend a surprised
>look. "You know, you're right. So... he came all this way just to
>-piss us off?-"

You know, where I come from, we call this "trolling".

> <<you do not belong here,>> said Kosh.
> <<not in this place; in this world,>>
> <<aberrant corrupt soulless,>>

Never saw B5, but I believe we may be seeing an interesting reversal: we know *exactly* what Kosh is talking about. But how does he *know*?

> His formal facade cracking under the weight of his frustration, he looked
> up, met Corwin's eyes, and blurted, "I've had my -fill- of Freyja's crazy shit.

...ow. You *know* he's sincere.

> Eve scowled. With a sharp CLACK, her right arm transformed from
>a slender, wing-like structure with a manipulator at the end into a
>full-length, large-bore cannon, complete with coaxial targeting laser.
> "Directive?" she asked, her voice harsh.

Hm. That's... kind of a strong reaction. I can't see this being motivated *just* by symathy to Corwin. If I had to guess, I'd say something happened after she and WALL-E met...

> Corwin angled his head vaguely toward the door. "What about
>what's-his-name?"
> "Pff," Utena replied. "He had his chance. The hell with him."
> "Okay."

This was a great moment. Even aside from seeing each other in their wedding finery, it's clear that Corwin and Utena draw strength from just being together.

> "Maybe you should change yours," she quipped, then called back
>over her shoulder as she entered the transporter room, "See you at the
>IP, Corwin."

If he does, can we refer to the Trinity as "Mr., Ms. and Utena Tenjou"?

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Gryphonadmin
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1. "RE: Clairon Call (new thread)"
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   >we know *exactly* what Kosh is talking about. But how does he *know*?

Indeed - and when he says "we are watching," who does he mean?

>> Eve scowled. With a sharp CLACK, her right arm transformed from
>>a slender, wing-like structure with a manipulator at the end into a
>>full-length, large-bore cannon, complete with coaxial targeting laser.
>> "Directive?" she asked, her voice harsh.
>
>Hm. That's... kind of a strong reaction. I can't see this being
>motivated *just* by symathy to Corwin. If I had to guess, I'd say
>something happened after she and WALL-E met...

Possibly, but it's at least in part just because Eve is a very young robot and hasn't learned the value of moderation yet; and it's not sympathy in the "aw, poor guy, I feel bad" sense so much as that she's attuned to how very angry he is. As for why she's blithely willing to go blast some guy on behalf of a man she's only just met, well, he did spend all night rebuilding her best friend, and while she may not understand it intellectually, it's entirely possible that she at least senses some hint of his... how to put it? His cosmic significance to her and her kind.

(It's kind of a nod toward the film, too, in which Eve's default reaction to any obstacle, problem, or unwelcome surprise is to at least consider blasting it, especially early on. :)

>
>> Corwin angled his head vaguely toward the door. "What about
>>what's-his-name?"
>> "Pff," Utena replied. "He had his chance. The hell with him."
>> "Okay."
>
>This was a great moment. Even aside from seeing each other in their
>wedding finery, it's clear that Corwin and Utena draw strength from
>just being together.

Thanks. I especially enjoy that little conversation myself, largely because, beyond "You look fantastic," I didn't have a plan for it; it just... flowed that way.

--G.
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2. "RE: Clairon Call (new thread)"
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   >Thanks. I especially enjoy that little conversation myself, largely
>because, beyond "You look fantastic," I didn't have a plan for it; it
>just... flowed that way.

In my experience, that's how you know you've got it right: when it just does.


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4. "RE: Clairon Call (new thread)"
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   >>we know *exactly* what Kosh is talking about. But how does he *know*?
>
>Indeed - and when he says "we are watching," who does he mean?

Maybe I should dust off my "Vorlons are hyperevolved Daleks" theory. ;)

Mario


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3. "RE: Clairon Call (new thread)"
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   >> "... -You,-" Chad managed, every hair on the back of his
>>neck standing erect.
>> "Me, indeed," Sivar replied. "We have much to speak of, Chad."
>
>It's hard being agnostic in a world where you can bump into your deity
>at a friend's wedding.

Ain't that the truth.



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5. "RE: Clairon Call (new thread)"
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   Stream of Consciousness play by play Bad Moon Edition.

>Derek put a hand on Gryphon's shoulder and said in a tone only fractionally less mild, "Gryph."

When Derek Bacon gets fractionally less mild, it pays to pay attention!

>Yeah. It looked like this was going to go according to plan after all.

You know, for somebody who's trade is the Future, Skuld should know better than to tempt fate with that train of thought :P

>She wrestled with it for a few minutes, but finally decided that
>there was no way she could explain the situation that wouldn't seem
>completely stupid to an outsider.

One of the problems of being in the military, especially the super secret part, is that you can't just take time off work because one of your best friends is getting married. Even if you have a cool boss.

When I first read this scene, I must admit the last part where Starbuck sees Kozue staring pensively at Wedge's door I thought Kozue was not upset that she could go to Corwin and Utena's wedding, but that CORWIN was getting married. I changed my mind later, but it did make me think about something. The closing of the Trinity has been a long time coming, and I'm as enthused about it as anybody, but when the first signs of it started falling into place back in 2409, I will admit to feeling a little bittersweet about it. Poor Kozue, the first great guy she meets and falls in love with wasn't hers to start with and she has to give him up to something that was practically prophisized. And even if everybody feels badly about it, and even if Kozue herself has no regrets, she's the one that got left out in the cold. Again, not saying Anthy/Corwin/Utena isn't Right, just... poor Kozue.

>Chad meets Sivar the War God.

That conversation was... interesting. Not simply because it gives a load of back story about our resident Kilrathi film maker, but the implications from Day of Infamy given that Kilrah sends a Sivar blessed conquest fleet to help kick in the Earthforce/Federation's teeth in when the galaxy goes to shit in 2412.

>He was just considering whether to give it a discouraging kick
>when it was joined by another, this one of similar build but leaner,
>sporting some black in its coloration, and wearing dark goggles.

Best use of beagles and New Hope quotes EVER.

>Vorlon Ambassador Kosh Neranek gazed silently at the Fallen Prince for a few moments, then spoke.

Coming this summer, to a theater near you. Wedding Crasher Kosh!

>"If that son of a bitch so much as twitches," she reported to
>the rest of her team, "I'm gonna blow him straight to Derna."

And now Red October quotes? This movement is one of the quipiest on record.

>"I've had my -fill- of Freyja's crazy shit. This madness must end... " He looked down at the floor again. "... for now I truly fear that's what it is."

Seriously! You'd have to be batshit insane to think that bringing Akio freaking Ohtori to this or ANY wedding isn't an act of naked aggression and will be responded to in kind. Honestly, if Freyja's plan was Operation: Piss of the Planet, then mission accomplished!

And the only part of the Wedding Force's handling of Akio's arrival that disappointed me was that in ignoring him, they didn't get to watch in glee if they had somebody, say, Belldandy Morisato, babysit him. Granted, she was doing more important things, but it would have been immensely satisfying to watch Akio fume while every barbed, poisonous comment he made was turned aside with a beatific smile and the knowledge that if she got really annoy, she was strong enough to just barbecue him and be done with it. Oh well.

>Utena and Corwin gawk at each other.

A beautiful scene, made better by their characteristically not getting bogged down in dramatics. One thing that I wonder though, Vigdis said that the wedding was also, in effect, declaring Utena a goddess, and the marks of divinity Utena ends up having made me wonder if it wasn't the literal truth. Is it too much to ask if this were the case? Or is it just a honorary, you're one of us now type of thing and not having the weight of it like when Corwin ascended?

> "Exactly what I was afraid would happen when we started,"
>Gryphon finished sadly for her. "Greeley's a snake, and he answers to
>the king snake, Bill Clark. I had a feeling this was only a matter of
>time... but I didn't think the situation would develop this fast.
>Normally there are weeks of ultimatums and saber-rattling before any
>real -action- in a case like this...

I'm a little surprised they let the Earth Alliance have an opportunity to even let the initial invasion go buy uncontested. I'd have thought the defense treaties Tau Ceti signed would have had a couple warships around so if the EA shot first, they could at least claim self defense. Were they relying on the fact that the Earth Alliance would hesitate more in potentially starting a shooting war or was the EA that confident they could wave aside any treaties as bogus?

>and HMS Illustrious of the Royal Salusian Navy...

Wait, Salusia was a signature with Tau Ceti?

>... in the precise center of the space between the two sharply angled Muspel-brands on Nanami Kiryuu's forehead.

Oh for the... Akio you dumb shit, this space station is full of gods! Viking gods! Pissed off viking gods who are already annoyed enough at you for metaphorically putting you dick in the mashed potatoes. Not to mention all the other mortal asskickers who despise you and are itching to have at you. Do you really think sending a minion to hamper the guy who BRANDED you with his pure hate is really the smartest thing to do? And doing it by threatening his best friend no less! Just... call a mulligan on this one and go back to Oriphos and maybe have a beer and take the rest of this decade off. You clearly are not on your A game.

Am VERY much looking forward to the next movement. And now, I'm off to reread the entire Symphony. It's about that time anyway.

------
Jon Helscher

That thing you burned up isn't important to me. It's the fluid catalytic cracking unit. It made shoes for orphans. Nice job breaking it, hero.

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7. "RE: Clairon Call (new thread)"
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>And the only part of the Wedding Force's handling of Akio's arrival
>that disappointed me was that in ignoring him, they didn't get to
>watch in glee if they had somebody, say, Belldandy Morisato, babysit
>him.

That's not nearly sadistic enough.

I'd have him escorted by an IPO officer named Kuramitsu Mihoshi...

Mario


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8. "RE: Clairon Call (new thread)"
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   LAST EDITED ON Jul-31-08 AT 01:24 PM (EDT)
 
>>Yeah. It looked like this was going to go according to plan after all.
>
>You know, for somebody who's trade is the Future, Skuld should know
>better than to tempt fate with that train of thought :P

Eh, what's the worst that could happen?

>I thought Kozue
>was not upset that she could go to Corwin and Utena's wedding, but
>that CORWIN was getting married.

Well, to an extent, she is. I mean, she knows she did the Right Thing, but that doesn't stop it from hurting. (As Corwin once asked her, "If this is the way things are supposed to be, if I did everything right and helped put the world back in its proper shape, then why do I feel so fucking bad?")

>implications from Day of Infamy given that Kilrah sends a Sivar
>blessed conquest fleet to help kick in the Earthforce/Federation's
>teeth in when the galaxy goes to shit in 2412.

Well, keep in mind, that's primarily a political thing. I mean, the Sivar Cult back on Kilrah has thought what they were doing was blessed by Sivar all along, and, well, signs point to "you're all on crack." Them saying "we've got a fleet blessed by our war god here!" doesn't necessarily mean it's any such thing.

>Coming this summer, to a theater near you. Wedding Crasher
>Kosh!

He didn't crash; he was invited. All the key members of B6's diplomatic staff were. Besides, they couldn't leave out the Koshmeister, I mean, come on. He and Minbari Ambassador Delenn were the highlights of the great trick-or-treating expedition of 2405. The trick he pulled when the ambassador from the Greater Rigel Sector Co-Prosperity Sphere didn't come across with some candy is still legendary.

>>"If that son of a bitch so much as twitches," she reported to
>>the rest of her team, "I'm gonna blow him straight to Derna."
>
>And now Red October quotes? This movement is one of the
>quipiest on record.

Yeah, I went a little overboard with that action, perhaps. In the interests of fuller disclosure, there's also a riff on The Right Stuff just above the "they don't like you" scene. :)

>One thing that I wonder though, Vigdis said
>that the wedding was also, in effect, declaring Utena a goddess, and
>the marks of divinity Utena ends up having made me wonder if it wasn't
>the literal truth. Is it too much to ask if this were the case? Or is
>it just a honorary, you're one of us now type of thing and not having
>the weight of it like when Corwin ascended?

The latter; the marks on Utena's face were a gesture on Verthandi's part while she was doing Utena's makeup, not anything to do with the Celestial System itself. Though for certain administrative and diplomatic purposes, Utena is (or will be - the status of her marriage is a little nebulous right now, thanks to Frigg's insistence on a partial ceremony out of sight of most of the crowd) considered a dís (as minor Asgardian goddesses not part of the bands of the Ćsir and Vanir are known), but she's been accorded no (additional) supernatural power. She's not the goddess of anything, if you like, in the way that Thor is god of thunder or Derek is god of comedy.

>Were they relying on the fact that the Earth Alliance would
>hesitate more in potentially starting a shooting war or was the EA
>that confident they could wave aside any treaties as bogus?

As Gryphon said when he was briefing Utena and the rest, the assumption was always that there'd be the usual few weeks of diplomatic harrumphing and some kind of fake incident along the Polish border to establish casus belli. Nobody figured the EA would just roll out of bed one morning and say, "Welp! Time to reconquer Tau Ceti!"

So no, there weren't any ships on station at the time. If the IPO stationed a ship everywhere they had an ally who might be attacked one day, they'd need quite a lot more ships. There were a few, both from the IPO and the WDF, hanging around the neighborhood through the "provisional government" phase, but once the new constitution was ratified and the elections taken care of, the immediate danger appeared to have passed. Gryphon suspected the EA might get up to some kind of shabby trick, but like I say, he figured there'd be handwaving first.

>>and HMS Illustrious of the Royal Salusian Navy...
>
>Wait, Salusia was a signature with Tau Ceti?

Oh, oops. That's a mistake. Illustrious belongs to the Salusian Imperial Guards; she's the ship assigned to escort the royal envoy (HRH the Princess Jessica, Baroness d'Alkirk) to the wedding (and the one we saw early on in the movement, when Corwin was arriving at B6). Since Princess Jessica is a reserve member of the IPO and this is an IPO alert situation, she has the right - indeed, the obligation - to get involved. As a member of the imperial family, she also has the right to take command of any Guards assets around - like Illustrious - and bring them with her. Unlike the RSN, the Guards don't answer to the Ministry of War; anything they do is on the imperial family's personal dime, not that of the political entity that is the Empire of Salusia. This is perhaps a fiddly point, but it'll stand up in court. Technically, Illustrious's involvement isn't the Salusian government butting into a treaty situation in which it is not involved; it's Jess bringing along some bodyguards. ... Okay, about 1200 of them, but still. :)

(Technically, since the RSN has mutual aid agreements with the WDF, regular navy ships could get involved; the WDF would just have to ask them for backup. That's what HMS Unfathomable is doing in the Tau Ceti system, though they aren't expected to shoot at anybody. For the shooting part, this way is simpler and doesn't get the Ministry involved.)


>You clearly are not on your A game.

All very true... assuming, of course, that Nanami's following orders. At this juncture I couldn't possibly comment on that. :)

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10. "RE: Clairon Call (new thread)"
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   >>>Yeah. It looked like this was going to go according to plan after all.
>>
>>You know, for somebody who's trade is the Future, Skuld should know
>>better than to tempt fate with that train of thought :P
>
>Eh, what's the worst that could happen?
>
At least she didn't say it out loud. 8)

>>One thing that I wonder though, Vigdis said
>>that the wedding was also, in effect, declaring Utena a goddess, and
>>the marks of divinity Utena ends up having made me wonder if it wasn't
>>the literal truth. Is it too much to ask if this were the case? Or is
>>it just a honorary, you're one of us now type of thing and not having
>>the weight of it like when Corwin ascended?
>
>The latter; the marks on Utena's face were a gesture on Verthandi's
>part while she was doing Utena's makeup, not anything to do with the
>Celestial System itself. Though for certain administrative and
>diplomatic purposes, Utena is (or will be - the status of her marriage
>is a little nebulous right now, thanks to Frigg's insistence on a
>partial ceremony out of sight of most of the crowd) considered a
>dís (as minor Asgardian goddesses not part of the bands of the
>Ćsir and Vanir are known), but she's been accorded no (additional)
>supernatural power. She's not the goddess of anything, if you
>like, in the way that Thor is god of thunder or Derek is god of
>comedy.
>
I'm not sure Utena needs any additional powers.

>>Were they relying on the fact that the Earth Alliance would
>>hesitate more in potentially starting a shooting war or was the EA
>>that confident they could wave aside any treaties as bogus?
>
>As Gryphon said when he was briefing Utena and the rest, the
>assumption was always that there'd be the usual few weeks of
>diplomatic harrumphing and some kind of fake incident along the Polish
>border to establish casus belli. Nobody figured the EA would
>just roll out of bed one morning and say, "Welp! Time to reconquer
>Tau Ceti!"
>
>So no, there weren't any ships on station at the time. If the IPO
>stationed a ship everywhere they had an ally who might be attacked one
>day, they'd need quite a lot more ships. There were a few, both from
>the IPO and the WDF, hanging around the neighborhood through the
>"provisional government" phase, but once the new constitution was
>ratified and the elections taken care of, the immediate danger
>appeared to have passed. Gryphon suspected the EA might get up to
>some kind of shabby trick, but like I say, he figured there'd be
>handwaving first.
>
And the EA's planners may well have decided to attack now specificly because of the wedding. After all, they could be sure that many of the IPO's top personel (and the EA's biggest pains in the ass) would be far from Tau Ceti now, with their attention firmly focused on B6.

>Oh, oops. That's a mistake. Illustrious belongs to the
>Salusian Imperial Guards; she's the ship assigned to escort the royal
>envoy (HRH the Princess Jessica, Baroness d'Alkirk) to the wedding
>(and the one we saw early on in the movement, when Corwin was arriving
>at B6). Since Princess Jessica is a reserve member of the IPO and
>this is an IPO alert situation, she has the right - indeed, the
>obligation - to get involved. As a member of the imperial family, she
>also has the right to take command of any Guards assets around - like
>Illustrious - and bring them with her. Unlike the RSN, the
>Guards don't answer to the Ministry of War; anything they do is on the
>imperial family's personal dime, not that of the political entity that
>is the Empire of Salusia. This is perhaps a fiddly point, but it'll
>stand up in court. Technically, Illustrious's involvement
>isn't the Salusian government butting into a treaty situation in which
>it is not involved; it's Jess bringing along some bodyguards. ...
>Okay, about 1200 of them, but still. :)
>
Reminds me of an early scene in 300, King Leonidas says (paraphrased) 'I'm not mobilizing the army, I'm just going for a walk with 300 of my friends.'

>>You clearly are not on your A game.
>
>All very true... assuming, of course, that Nanami's following orders.
>At this juncture I couldn't possibly comment on that. :)
>
>--G.

Heh, that was actually my own thought. Akio said "Follow them. You know what to do." Just cause she knows what to do doesn't mean she actually does it. We already know that she hates Akio's guts, and she likes Corwin. Frankly, I figure her holding Nall at swordpoint might have been more to make sure he didn't attack her before Corwin arrived.

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11. "RE: Clairon Call (new thread)"
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   >And the EA's planners may well have decided to attack now specificly
>because of the wedding. After all, they could be sure that many of
>the IPO's top personel (and the EA's biggest pains in the ass) would
>be far from Tau Ceti now, with their attention firmly focused on B6.

which makes it actually the worst timing possible. All the Heavy Hitters can huddle in realtime, rather than suffer the logistics of some transgalactic (indeed, transdimensional) conference call. Also, the two or three fastest ships in the galaxy are there at their beck and call, allowing them to breathe down your necks en masse in a matter of hours, rather than arriving in dribs and drabs over the course of a week. Even if the wedding went through as planned, you'd only delay the inevitable by a dozen hours or so.

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14. "RE: Clairon Call (new thread)"
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   >>And the EA's planners may well have decided to attack now specificly
>>because of the wedding. After all, they could be sure that many of
>>the IPO's top personel (and the EA's biggest pains in the ass) would
>>be far from Tau Ceti now, with their attention firmly focused on B6.
>
>which makes it actually the worst timing possible.

Heh. Hell, the only reason the idiots in the EA have survived as long as they have in power is because of the handfull of Mysterions who have infiltrated the high command, as seen in Infamy... If you asked me, though you didnt, I'd say this is also the inevitable result of the Psi Corp's hidden agenda of Humanus Psionis superioria.


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16. "RE: Clairon Call (new thread)"
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   From the standpoint of fostering the growth of human telepathy, AEGIS makes much more sense than the Psi Corps. It is, after all, a much more popular group that's much less likely to find enemies and resistance everywhere it goes.

From the moral, or human rights perspective, AEGIS is clearly and unarguably the superior option.

From the standpoint of restraining telepathy related crimes, the two come out about equal; the Corps' greater control and coverage starts as many problems as it blocks.

Only from the standpoint of the EA's fascist-flavored government, or a genetic minority's fear of persecution, does the gulag-slash-mamelukes approach of the Psi Corps begin to make sense... And unless there've been cases of Tau Ceti's native telepaths being beaten to death by howling mobs, I'm hard pressed to see where the 'protect our own' angle internal to the Corps would have them driving the invasion.


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17. "RE: Clairon Call (new thread)"
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   >I'm hard pressed to see where the 'protect our own'
>angle internal to the Corps would have them driving the invasion.

Well, its not directly related. Kind of more of a side effect that given the psi corps hidden agenda of Psionisists are the superior beings and are supposed to be in charge, they tend to make sure that people they can control with minimal amount of effort are in their puppet positions. Remember that the Psi Corps we are the future and you are ours agenda is kept as hidden as possible; only the high command on both sides of the issue and those responsible inside the corps for making it happen are breifed in on it.

this results in persons in higher command positions than they are competent to manage, you see, and results in the sort of thinking that kicked this off. "Hey, lets do this while we know everyone's at that Hutchins brat's wedding and not here", as three posts up put it without, as ReRob pointed out realiszing that ALSO means that all their heavy hitters are in one place and ready to decend on them like the wrath of god.


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26. "RE: Clairon Call (new thread)"
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   Several angry gods, actually. Just sayin'.


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18. "RE: Clairon Call (new thread)"
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   >And the EA's planners may well have decided to attack now specificly
>because of the wedding.

No, actually, the people who planned the invasion of Tau Ceti didn't give one-tenth of one crap about the wedding pro or con. Probably didn't even know it was happening, and wouldn't have cared if they did.

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15. "RE: Clairon Call (new thread)"
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   >the marks on Utena's face were a gesture on Verthandi's part while she was
>doing Utena's makeup, not anything to do with the Celestial System itself.

>she's been accorded no (additional) supernatural power. She's not the
>goddess of anything, if you like, in the way that Thor is god of
>thunder or Derek is god of comedy.

So you might call it the symbol for "Utena Tenjou. Just... Utena Tenjou."

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19. "RE: Clairon Call (new thread)"
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>
>>I thought Kozue
>>was not upset that she could go to Corwin and Utena's wedding, but
>>that CORWIN was getting married.
>
>Well, to an extent, she is. I mean, she knows she did the Right
>Thing, but that doesn't stop it from hurting. (As Corwin once asked
>her, "If this is the way things are supposed to be, if I did
>everything right and helped put the world back in its proper shape,
>then why do I feel so fucking bad?")
>


Bingo. That's a big reason why I don't think things are as settled as all that, Right Thing or no, and if anything, it's something a smart, manipulative enemy could try to exploit...


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6. "RE: Clairon Call (new thread)"
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   >If he does, can we refer to the Trinity as "Mr., Ms. and Utena
>Tenjou"?

Mr., Ms., and PRINCE Tenjou, thank you. ;)


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12. "RE: Clairon Call (new thread)"
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   >>If he does, can we refer to the Trinity as "Mr., Ms. and Utena
>>Tenjou"?
>
>Mr., Ms., and PRINCE Tenjou, thank you. ;)

Followed by Utena saying, "Oh, stop that. You can call me Utena. (Sheesh. Just when I think I have everybody trained...)"

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9. "RE: Clairon Call (new thread)"
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   >I was going to stay silent until I'd finished re-reading Ash-knight, but this
>grabbed me.
>>Corwin: "Nanami, I just got married. I know it might surprise your
>>brother and your boss, but you know I'm not going to screw that up."
>
>Um I hate to say this, but there is no chance that Corwin is going to screw
>this up. He gave his oath at the Monolith, and he's kept it throughout the >madness. If Nanami needed help or comfort, then Corwin would do what ever
>Corwin would do and Utena would not be hurt.
>
>Man, I can't even believe some people actually thought sex between Nanami and
>Corwin would be an issue...

I wasn't precisely meaning infidelity here, at least in that sense, although that would probably fall under the blanket.

It was intended as an implied: "I know and you know that Akio isn't going to put me off my game... so if you want to come hang out, I'm cool with that."

...which probably isn't at all what I'd think reading it cold. Sorry.

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13. "RE: Clairon Call (new thread)"
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   >
>It was intended as an implied: "I know and you know that Akio isn't
>going to put me off my game... so if you want to come hang out, I'm
>cool with that."
>
>...which probably isn't at all what I'd think reading it cold. Sorry.
>

I don't know where Gryphon is going with this, but I could easily imagine Nanami's next line being, "Are you still willing to help a girl in trouble?"

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20. "RE: Clairon Call (new thread)"
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   >I don't know where Gryphon is going with this, but I could easily
>imagine Nanami's next line being, "Are you still willing to help a
>girl in trouble?"

To which everyone present is going to react with the galaxy's biggest WTF!?


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21. "RE: Clairon Call (new thread)"
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   >>I don't know where Gryphon is going with this, but I could easily
>>imagine Nanami's next line being, "Are you still willing to help a
>>girl in trouble?"
>
>To which everyone present is going to react with the galaxy's biggest
>WTF!?
>

Nah. If it went that route, Corwin would say, "That's what a knight does." Everybody else would be boggling, with the possible exception of Nall, who would have to figure out how to boggle without cutting his throat on Nanami's sword.

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22. "RE: Clairon Call (new thread)"
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   >>>I don't know where Gryphon is going with this, but I could easily
>>>imagine Nanami's next line being, "Are you still willing to help a
>>>girl in trouble?"
>>
>>To which everyone present is going to react with the galaxy's biggest
>>WTF!?
>>
>

I admit, I was expecting everyone's reaction to Nanami's presence at the end to be a wide variety of sound effects: "snap. hiss!" "snikt!" "ka-chak!" "click" "DRAW" you get the idea.... :)

I actually half expected "snap. hiss" to be the last line of the story. :)


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23. "RE: Clairon Call (new thread)"
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   >I admit, I was expecting everyone's reaction to Nanami's presence at
>the end to be a wide variety of sound effects: "snap. hiss!"
>"snikt!" "ka-chak!" "click" "DRAW" you get the idea.... :)
>
>I actually half expected "snap. hiss" to be the last line of the
>story. :)

Given that the only people there were Corwin, Wall-E, and Eve, that scenario would involve a few rather flagrant causality violations.

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27. "RE: Clairon Call (new thread)"
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>Given that the only people there were Corwin, Wall-E, and Eve,
>that scenario would involve a few rather flagrant causality
>violations.
>

True. But Corwin could have always upgraded Eve and Wall-E with the "Acme Thousand Hidden Weapons" module while we weren't looking ;)

But I'm guessing not from the sound of things. :)

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28. "RE: Clairon Call (new thread)"
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   Much as I like Wall-E, he's a bit too clumsy to be weilding a lightsaber. 8P

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24. "RE: Clairon Call (new thread)"
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> Warming to the subject now, she went on with passion in her
>voice, "This is a tremendous honor. All Asgard is prepared to hail you
>tomorrow. Utena Griffonsdottir, Tenjou the Bold, who won the right to
>call the Midgard-knight 'father', and the very heart of Valhalla's
>Cavalier in Silver and Black, with her courage, skill, and virtue."

Is "Griffonsdottir" the agreed (by Utena and gang) Norse-ish last name, or is it improvised by Vee ? Anyway I like this last name a lot. Very fitting. (^_^)

BTW, IMHO, the best part of the movement is Utena and Corwin's conversation after Utena passing through the mirror.

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25. "RE: Clairon Call (new thread)"
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   >Is "Griffonsdottir" the agreed (by Utena and gang) Norse-ish last
>name, or is it improvised by Vee ?

Neither, but at the same time, a little of both; it's what she's generally called in Asgard, but no one's certain precisely who coined it. The Midgard-knight, slayer of Fenris, is a personage of some renown there, so an up-and-coming sort like Utena would be more immediately recognizable to Asgardians first hearing of her by some sort of association therewith. In Asgard, no one cares if you're adopted.

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