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"Kai the authors!"
 
   Ookay...Psi Corps crackdown, Great Escape, Tiny and Lesser show their stuff (was anyone else thinking: "OH NO! A TOY ROBOT!"--"eat lead sucker"--) :) ... very nice indeed...

...or should that last compliment be "Kai kassai!"?

It's good to know you guys have been exposed to the real Klingons, and not just that TNG dreQ. (I'm sorry, but after years of thinking of Klingons in nothing but John M. Ford's terms, Next Gen came as a nasty shock, and I still can't muster even the faintest bit of respect for the "official" version.)

...I don't suppose the Republican Klingon homeworld is Klinzhai? Or is Ford's Klingonaase an alternate, less common language in which that's Kronos's name?

Random thoughts:

-The Duelists should get into a game of Klin Zha Kinta at some point.

-Is the planet Direidi floating about anywhere? (Rollin' rollin' rollin', keep those camels goin', let the noncoms know if you tire...)

-Babylon 5 in the Bajor system... makes sense.

-Does UF B5 spin for gravity, or do they use artificial grav like everyone else? (Or is making your own not cost-effective for a five-mile-long structure?) Either way, are there any significant changes from the original design?

-What about Romulans? I don't suppose you've considered Diane Duane's Rihannsu as a similarly far-cooler-than-TNG option for UF... (not to mention her version of the Vulcans, but it looks like they've already been crowded out...)? I know I'd rather have Ael and the Bloodwing on my side than the entire Next Gen Rom fleet. We'd win, too. :)

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  RE: Kai the authors! Gryphonadmin Nov-14-01 1
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         RE: Kai the authors! Ebony Nov-15-01 36
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1. "RE: Kai the authors!"
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   > It's good to know you guys have been exposed to the real
>Klingons, and not just that TNG dreQ. (I'm sorry, but after years of
>thinking of Klingons in nothing but John M. Ford's terms, Next Gen
>came as a nasty shock, and I still can't muster even the faintest bit
>of respect for the "official" version.)

I'm actually fairly pleased with both; the version of Klingon culture which is developing in Future Imperfect is kind of an amalgam of the two. I haven't finished reconciling it all yet, but I suspect klingonaase is a less common regional dialect on Qo'noS, some of whose words have made their way into tlhIngan Hol, not unlike the way French words like dénouement have worked their way into English. That would explain why Professor Kraalgh and his cousin Klaang use kai when the language they speak (and Kraalgh teaches) is obviously tlhIngan Hol. (To them, it's probably spelled qaI. :)

(One sometimes sees Okrand's language described as tlhInganaase, which I can only assume is somebody's idea of a joke... )

> ...I don't suppose the Republican Klingon homeworld is Klinzhai?
>Or is Ford's Klingonaase an alternate, less common language in
>which that's Kronos's name?

Either is possible. I should probably get around to mentioning at some point that, by 2405, the Klingon Republic no longer exists. Or, more accurately, the Republic annexed the Empire and changed its name back. The Klingon Empire as it exists in 2405 is no more a genuine empire than the United Kingdom is a genuine monarchy. :)

I may have mentioned this in another thread, but just in case my memory plays me false on that point, for the record: There aren't two different kinds of Klingon, physiologically, in the UF universe. Being a purely textual series, we've never had to deal with the budget issues that hampered TOS. :)

> -The Duelists should get into a game of Klin Zha Kinta at
>some point.

I've never been able to figure out just how klin zha is played well enough to be comfortable writing about people playing it.

> -Is the planet Direidi floating about anywhere? (Rollin' rollin'
>rollin', keep those camels goin', let the noncoms know if you tire...)

Oh, probably. It'd be of no particular significance, since dilithium isn't particularly valuable, but it's probably out there.

> -Does UF B5 spin for gravity, or do they use artificial grav like
>everyone else? (Or is making your own not cost-effective for a
>five-mile-long structure?) Either way, are there any significant
>changes from the original design?

As far as any casual visitor would be able to tell, it's just like the original.

> -What about Romulans? I don't suppose you've considered Diane
>Duane's Rihannsu as a similarly far-cooler-than-TNG option for UF...

I haven't read them. If I ever do anything in particular with the Romulans, I'll probably just make it up on my own as an extrapolation of the few sightings we had of them in TOS, since I was never particularly impressed with the TNG version either. So far in UF, they've kept mostly to themselves, off in their corner of the quadrant, not bothering anybody except occasionally the Klingons.

>(not to mention her version of the Vulcans, but it looks like they've
>already been crowded out...)?

Vulcan culture, I've got a few things to play with already. I still need to come up with a name for the... well, "faction" isn't really accurate... the minority group that Lieutenant T'Vek belongs to. (Poor T'Vek... after Fanfare came out, folks posted about how cool they thought Lore and Klaang were, and she stood off in the corner pouting and asking, "How about me? Can the Vulcan get some love?" It's not her fault she's named after a brand of insulation. :)

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3. "RE: Kai the authors!"
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   <snip>
>Vulcan culture, I've got a few things to play with already. I still
>need to come up with a name for the... well, "faction" isn't really
>accurate... the minority group that Lieutenant T'Vek belongs to.
>(Poor T'Vek... after Fanfare came out, folks posted about how
>cool they thought Lore and Klaang were, and she stood off in the
>corner pouting and asking, "How about me? Can the Vulcan get some
>love?" It's not her fault she's named after a brand of insulation. :)
>
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Well, you can let the Vulcan know that there is much love for her. I REALLY liked what little there was, which is more than I can say about Lore, whom I quite honestly thought came over as either whiny or with a pissy sense of 'humor', I can't really decide. Now, Klaang I liked, but then I'm partial to Klingons. If there come more T'Vek along the line, I'll be able to really decide what I think, but what I saw, I liked.

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6. "RE: Kai the authors!"
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   >which is more than I can say about
>Lore, whom I quite honestly thought came over as either whiny or with
>a pissy sense of 'humor',

That's... odd. I can't quite figure out how that impression got formed...

Oh well...

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36. "RE: Kai the authors!"
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   >Well, you can let the Vulcan know that there is much love for her. I
>REALLY liked what little there was, which is more than I can say about
>Lore, whom I quite honestly thought came over as either whiny or with
>a pissy sense of 'humor', I can't really decide. Now, Klaang I liked,
>but then I'm partial to Klingons. If there come more T'Vek along the
>line, I'll be able to really decide what I think, but what I saw, I
>liked.

Klaang is one of the reasons why I would either have to either be very fast, very durable, or very lucky, if I was bopping around the UF-verse. The temptation to ask where his partner in the blue constable's uniform was and to ask to speak with Mayor Pufinstuf would be too great. The proper response to this question would be, of course, a batleth to the forehead.

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4. "RE: Kai the authors!"
In response to message #1
 
   >> It's good to know you guys have been exposed to the real
>>Klingons, and not just that TNG dreQ. (I'm sorry, but after years of
>>thinking of Klingons in nothing but John M. Ford's terms, Next Gen
>>came as a nasty shock, and I still can't muster even the faintest bit
>>of respect for the "official" version.)
>
>I'm actually fairly pleased with both; the version of Klingon culture
>which is developing in Future Imperfect is kind of an amalgam
>of the two. I haven't finished reconciling it all yet, but I suspect
>klingonaase is a less common regional dialect on Qo'noS,
>some of whose words have made their way into tlhIngan Hol, not
>unlike the way French words like dénouement have worked
>their way into English. That would explain why Professor Kraalgh and
>his cousin Klaang use kai when the language they speak (and
>Kraalgh teaches) is obviously tlhIngan Hol. (To them, it's
>probably spelled qaI. :)

^.^ Works out nicely... do these Klingons get buzzed on simple sugars? (That would explain a lot about Worf and prune juice...)

>> -Is the planet Direidi floating about anywhere? (Rollin' rollin'
>>rollin', keep those camels goin', let the noncoms know if you tire...)
>
>Oh, probably. It'd be of no particular significance, since dilithium
>isn't particularly valuable, but it's probably out there.

Well, it would produce some of the finest comedy teams in the galaxy...

>> -Does UF B5 spin for gravity, or do they use artificial grav like
>>everyone else? (Or is making your own not cost-effective for a
>>five-mile-long structure?) Either way, are there any significant
>>changes from the original design?
>
>As far as any casual visitor would be able to tell, it's just like the
>original.

Now there's a weasel sentence if I ever saw one. :) Hmmm, those giant prongs up by the zero-G docking bay could be put to amusing and effective use...

>
>> -What about Romulans? I don't suppose you've considered Diane
>>Duane's Rihannsu as a similarly far-cooler-than-TNG option for UF...
>
>I haven't read them. If I ever do anything in particular with the
>Romulans, I'll probably just make it up on my own as an extrapolation
>of the few sightings we had of them in TOS, since I was never
>particularly impressed with the TNG version either. So far in
>UF, they've kept mostly to themselves, off in their corner of
>the quadrant, not bothering anybody except occasionally the Klingons.

Well, as a card-carrying Raving Duane Fanboy, it's my duty to recommend 'em to you and the rest of the Eyrie crew if you ever get the chance and the time... the Rihannsu novels are some of the best Trek books--hell, the best Trek stories, in any medium--ever written, and her views on both Romulan and Vulcan culture and philosophy carried the same weight as Ford's on Klingons until the coming of TNG... and their adoption into UF would be a great day indeed. "Of the chief parts of the Ruling Passion, only this can be truly said: Hate has a reason for everything. But Love is unreasonable." If nothing else, Ael t'Rllaillieu would make a great recruit for the IPO--anyone who can regularly anticipate Jim Kirk's every move days in advance is too good to let go. :)

(For the record, the works in question: The Wounded Sky; My Enemy, My Ally; The Romulan Way; Spock's World; Swordhunt; and Honor Blade. Wounded Sky isn't strictly part of the Rihannsu series, but it does introduce various Enterprise crewmembers peculiar to her novels; also, the TNG episode Where No One has Gone Before was loosely based on it, but please don't hold that against it. n.n; )

OK, blatant plugs over and done with...much more of that and I'd be a candidate for twinkhood...

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7. "RE: Kai the authors!"
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   >^.^ Works out nicely... do these Klingons get buzzed on simple sugars?

That would explain why Halloween is so popular on Qo'noS...

>>As far as any casual visitor would be able to tell, it's just like the
>>original.
>
>Now there's a weasel sentence if I ever saw one. :)

And now I have to take it back, since it occurs to me that a casual visitor would certainly notice the transporter rooms. :)

What I meant was, different tech bases make for the occasional difference - I sincerely doubt an installation that large would be powered by simple fusion in the UF universe, for example, and those flangey things on the back part of the station are probably communications arrays, not solar collectors. Walking around the corridors, though, you wouldn't notice a difference.

>Wounded Sky isn't
>strictly part of the Rihannsu series, but it does introduce various
>Enterprise crewmembers peculiar to her novels; also, the TNG
>episode Where No One has Gone Before was loosely based on it,
>but please don't hold that against it. n.n; )

Given how awful that episode was, that'd be kind of a trick, but I suppose I'll try.

At the moment, I'm re-reading Vonda McIntyre's Enterprise: The First Adventure, which, while completely apocryphal and not liable to affect anything whatsoever about my own works, has always amused me. When I get done with that, I'll probably tackle the Excalibur trilogy. I'm not actually sure I like New Frontier, or if I'm just reading it for the Brikar and Peter David's gift for funny dialogue. (Tell you one thing, my version of Doctor Selar isn't anything like his.)

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10. "RE: Kai the authors!"
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   >At the moment, I'm re-reading Vonda McIntyre's Enterprise: The
>First Adventure
, which, while completely apocryphal and not liable
>to affect anything whatsoever about my own works, has always amused

Would that be the one with the Thing-That-Moves-The-Universe and the flying people?

>me. When I get done with that, I'll probably tackle the
>Excalibur trilogy. I'm not actually sure I like New
>Frontier
, or if I'm just reading it for the Brikar and Peter
>David's gift for funny dialogue. (Tell you one thing, my version of
>Doctor Selar isn't anything like his.)

If the latter is the case, then may I humbly reccomend any of the works of Eric Flint? I've never read anything that he's had a hand in without at least snickering.

>Well, as a card-carrying Raving Duane Fanboy, it's my duty to recommend 'em to
>you and the rest of the Eyrie crew if you ever get the chance and the time...
>the Rihannsu novels are some of the best Trek books--hell, the best Trek
>stories, in any medium--ever written, and her views on both Romulan and Vulcan
>culture and philosophy carried the same weight as Ford's on Klingons until the
>coming of TNG... and their adoption into UF would be a great day indeed. "Of
>the chief parts of the Ruling Passion, only this can be truly said: Hate has a
>reason for everything. But Love is unreasonable." If nothing else, Ael
>t'Rllaillieu would make a great recruit for the IPO--anyone who can regularly
>anticipate Jim Kirk's every move days in advance is too good to let go. :)

While I've only read two of the books in question, I'd like to add my support to this statement- they rock. Ael's speech about the bloodwing is one of my favorite passages anywhere.

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12. "RE: Kai the authors!"
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   >>At the moment, I'm re-reading Vonda McIntyre's Enterprise: The
>>First Adventure
, which, while completely apocryphal and not liable
>>to affect anything whatsoever about my own works, has always amused
>
>Would that be the one with the Thing-That-Moves-The-Universe and the
>flying people?

It's been long enough since I read it that I don't actually remember what the Big Deal is. There's a renegade Klingon pirate captain, and the Enterprise has been assigned to shuttle a circus to a bunch of remote starbases. Sulu wants to go home, Kirk wants Spock to go away, Scotty wants his ship to get a real captain and Spock... well, nobody knows what Spock wants. And there's a flying horse, or at least it would be able to fly in 1/10 G.

I seem to recall there's a First Federation-ish Super-Powerful Alien that shows up at some point, but I don't remember - it's been well over ten years since I last read the book.

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15. "RE: Kai the authors!"
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   >It's been long enough since I read it that I don't actually remember
>what the Big Deal is. There's a renegade Klingon pirate captain, and
>the Enterprise has been assigned to shuttle a circus to a bunch
>of remote starbases. Sulu wants to go home, Kirk wants Spock to go
>away, Scotty wants his ship to get a real captain and Spock...
>well, nobody knows what Spock wants. And there's a flying horse, or
>at least it would be able to fly in 1/10 G.

That would be the one, yeah. It's reasonably fun, tho its been years since I last read it... I'd forgotton most of that.

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23. "RE: Kai the authors!"
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   LAST EDITED ON Nov-15-01 AT 08:18 AM (EST)

>>> -Is the planet Direidi floating about anywhere?
>>Oh, probably. It'd be of no particular significance, since dilithium
>>isn't particularly valuable, but it's probably out there.
>Well, it would produce some of the finest comedy teams in the
>galaxy...

<raises right knee>Zooty zoot zoot?</raises right knee>

>>> -What about Romulans? I don't suppose you've considered Diane
>>>Duane's Rihannsu as a similarly far-cooler-than-TNG option for UF...
>>I haven't read them.
>Well, as a card-carrying Raving Duane Fanboy, it's my duty to
>recommend 'em to you and the rest of the Eyrie crew if you ever get
>the chance and the time...

Allow me to second this recommendation. (Disclosure: Diane's an old friend from way back before she moved from Bala Cynwyd, PA to Ireland; I'm not unbiased.) Although I have problems with her randomly-generated Romulan language (not as elegant as klingonaase and pretty much unpronounceable), the culture and characters she created simply rock.

> Wounded Sky isn't
>strictly part of the Rihannsu series, but it does introduce various
>Enterprise crewmembers peculiar to her novels;

Technically against Paramount policy for Trek novels, but if no one tells the license lawyers, they never notice. My particular favorite is the first Horta to go completely through Starfleet Academy, who gets placed on the Enterprise as an ensign -- I'm blanking on his name at the moment, unfortunately. There's a character/type with potential for UF, now that I think of it.

-- Bob

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25. "RE: Kai the authors!"
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   >Technically against Paramount policy for Trek novels, but if no one
>tells the license lawyers, they never notice. My particular favorite
>is the first Horta to go completely through Starfleet Academy, who
>gets placed on the Enterprise as an ensign -- I'm blanking on his name
>at the moment, unfortunately. There's a character/type with potential
>for UF, now that I think of it.

Naraht.

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27. "RE: Kai the authors!"
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   >My particular favorite
>is the first Horta to go completely through Starfleet Academy, who
>gets placed on the Enterprise as an ensign -- I'm blanking on his name
>at the moment, unfortunately.

Heh, there was one of those in the old DC comic, too, during (IIRC) the between-ST3-and-ST4 phase ("Jim Kirk: The Excelsior Years"). Its uniform was basically a horse blanket made of the red jacket material. :)

I liked that series; the writers came up with amusingly elegant ways to handwave their way out of the fact that they somehow had to do three years of the series in between movies that were pretty much concurrent.

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31. "RE: Kai the authors!"
In response to message #27
 
   >>My particular favorite
>>is the first Horta to go completely through Starfleet Academy, who
>>gets placed on the Enterprise as an ensign -- I'm blanking on his name
>>at the moment, unfortunately.
>
>Heh, there was one of those in the old DC comic, too, during (IIRC)
>the between-ST3-and-ST4 phase ("Jim Kirk: The
>Excelsior Years"). Its uniform was basically a horse blanket
>made of the red jacket material. :)

Same guy--they borrowed him from Diane. Naraht, aka "Ensign Rock",
aka a Chicago-style pizza with a Starfleet rank badge. :)

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28. "RE: Kai the authors!"
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   >Allow me to second this recommendation. (Disclosure: Diane's an old
>friend from way back before she moved from Bala Cynwyd, PA to Ireland;
>I'm not unbiased.) Although I have problems with her
>randomly-generated Romulan language (not as elegant as
>klingonaase and pretty much unpronounceable), the culture and
>characters she created simply rock.

I'll third the recommendation. On a whim, I looked for and found My Enemy, My Ally last night; I'm about halfway through it, and I love it. It would appear that Wounded Sky is, at present, out of print, although if I wanted to download the ebook version I could. (Something that fails to appeal to me; I can read things on digital devices, but I vastly prefer print when available.) Anyway, Duane populates the Enterprise with a far more species-diverse crew than we've ever seen on any Trek show (due mostly to budgetary constraints, but due also to some degree of laziness). While it still suffers from one of the great flaws of Trek (and a great deal of TV sci-fi in general) -- a lack of cultural diversity within any species besides humans -- the Rihannsu culture is far more interesting than the Romulan culture that eventually emerged on TNG.

I'm still interested in reading more about Ford's Klingons.

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30. "RE: Kai the authors!"
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   >I'm still interested in reading more about Ford's Klingons.

You can have them in any color you want, as long as they're black.

Oops. Wrong Ford.

<grin>

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37. "RE: Kai the authors!"
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   >>I'm still interested in reading more about Ford's Klingons.
>
>You can have them in any color you want, as long as they're black.
>
>Oops. Wrong Ford.

*rimshot*

Anyway, finished inhaling My Enemy, My Ally and I'm going to make a point of hunting down The Romulan Way, The Final Reflection, and Rules of Engagement. (And probably How Much For Just The Planet?, too.)

My favorite bit so far: Freeman displaying Dr. Who, however briefly. One wonders how pre-first contact SF has held up over the centuries. (And what SF in a starfaring civilization looks like.)

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33. "RE: Kai the authors!"
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>>>> -What about Romulans? I don't suppose you've considered Diane
>>>>Duane's Rihannsu as a similarly far-cooler-than-TNG option for UF...
>>>I haven't read them.
>>Well, as a card-carrying Raving Duane Fanboy, it's my duty to
>>recommend 'em to you and the rest of the Eyrie crew if you ever get
>>the chance and the time...
>
>Allow me to second this recommendation. (Disclosure: Diane's an old
>friend from way back before she moved from Bala Cynwyd, PA to Ireland;
>I'm not unbiased.)

I am utterly in awe.

Is it true that Duane-sama's cooking can scare away mountain lions? ^.^

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50. "RE: Kai the authors!"
In response to message #33
 
   >>Allow me to second this recommendation. (Disclosure: Diane's an old
>>friend from way back before she moved from Bala Cynwyd, PA to Ireland;
>>I'm not unbiased.)
>I am utterly in awe.
>Is it true that Duane-sama's cooking can scare away mountain lions?
>^.^

I honestly can't answer that -- we met through professional/fan circles, and generally ran into each other at cons and other events where cooking was never a likely activity. The only meals I've eaten with her have been at restaurants.

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34. "RE: Kai the authors!"
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   ><raises right knee>Zooty zoot zoot?</raises right knee>

I am sorry. I had mistaken you for a lifeform possessing some taste and class. :)

>(Disclosure: Diane's an old
>friend from way back

Namedropper. Next you'll tell us about how you know Steve Jackson. :)

>before she moved from Bala Cynwyd, PA to Ireland;

In search of more easily pronounced place names?

>Technically against Paramount policy for Trek novels,

at least until somebody over there actually read Dreadnought! and realized that it was way too late to start trying to prevent the Trek novels from resembling online fanfiction. :)

>There's a character/type with potential
>for UF, now that I think of it.

Horta are awfully unwieldy. Now, the Lava Men... :)

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35. "RE: Kai the authors!"
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>>Technically against Paramount policy for Trek novels,
>
>at least until somebody over there actually read Dreadnought!
>and realized that it was way too late to start trying to
>prevent the Trek novels from resembling online fanfiction. :)

Interesting note; while looking for a specific early ST novel, I went by Barnes and Noble and discovered that, apparently, only the following have been reprinted anytime recently by Paramount/Bantam...

(1) The Rihannsu novels by Duane (BTW, I don't recommned the most recent two; you buy two books and get 2/3 of a very short novel)
(2) The two John Ford books
(3) Dreadnought and Battlestations, and
(4) the two novel sequels to 'All Our Yesterdays,' involving Spock's illegitimate son.

The 'more faithful,' more-Paramount-approved books have, apparently, not been popular enough to justify reprinting. }:-{D

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38. "RE: Kai the authors!"
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   >(3) Dreadnought and Battlestations,

Wasn't Battlestations the one where J random Lt. Cmdr whose name I can't
remember ended up saving the USS Enterprise with the aid of some guy nicknamed
'Scanner' and his beat up tug/tramp freighter? Or am I thinking of a different
novel?

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39. "RE: Kai the authors!"
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   >>(3) Dreadnought and Battlestations,
>
>Wasn't Battlestations the one where J random Lt. Cmdr whose name I
>can't
>remember ended up saving the USS Enterprise with the aid of some guy
>nicknamed
>'Scanner' and his beat up tug/tramp freighter? Or am I thinking of a
>different
>novel?

*shrug* Close enough for government work. They're an example of a person getting -paid- to write Mary-Sue fanfic... TWICE.

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48. "RE: Kai the authors!"
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   >>Wasn't Battlestations the one where J random Lt. Cmdr whose name I
>>can't
>>remember ended up saving the USS Enterprise with the aid of some guy
>>nicknamed
>>'Scanner' and his beat up tug/tramp freighter? Or am I thinking of a
>>different
>>novel?
>
>*shrug* Close enough for government work. They're an example of a
>person getting -paid- to write Mary-Sue fanfic... TWICE.

Which is a sign that there a) is or b) is not a God, depending on your point of view.

Mr. Fnord, will write Mary Sue fanfic for food.
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41. "RE: Kai the authors!"
In response to message #38
 
   >>(3) Dreadnought and Battlestations,
>
>Wasn't Battlestations the one where J random Lt. Cmdr whose name I
>can't
>remember ended up saving the USS Enterprise with the aid of some guy
>nicknamed
>'Scanner' and his beat up tug/tramp freighter? Or am I thinking of a
>different
>novel?

Lt. Commander Piper, IIRC, who graduated from Starfleet Academy with that rank.


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44. "RE: Kai the authors!"
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   >Lt. Commander Piper, IIRC, who graduated from Starfleet Academy with
>that rank.

... having committed an act of conspicuous heroism during her senior year (in Dreadnought!). I haven't read Battlestations! - I might have to, now, if it's a sequel to Dreadnought!, because although Dreadnought! was very silly and quite strongly resembled early UF (except without the courtesy of leaving the names unchanged), I rather liked it. Mainly because for some odd reason, I kinda like Piper. I think maybe it's her odd fondness for moss. :)

I can't get too down on her for her graduation promotion; I did the same thing in Split Infinitive. OTOH, the character I was doing it to was a 300-year veteran of a space force and had designed his home universe's equivalent to the Enterprise some years before entering the Academy, so I suppose it could be said that he had a somewhat more concrete background for unusually rapid advancement. He only went to the Academy in the first place because he had the time to kill and felt like doing it the old-fashioned way. :)

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58. "RE: Kai the authors!"
In response to message #44
 
   >>Lt. Commander Piper, IIRC, who graduated from Starfleet Academy with
>>that rank.
>
>... having committed an act of conspicuous heroism during her senior
>year (in Dreadnought!). I haven't read Battlestations!
>- I might have to, now, if it's a sequel to Dreadnought!,
>because although Dreadnought! was very silly and quite strongly
>resembled early UF (except without the courtesy of leaving the
>names unchanged), I rather liked it. Mainly because for some odd
>reason, I kinda like Piper. I think maybe it's her odd fondness for
>moss. :)

More like a quasi-sequel to Dreadnaught!, since Battlestations! mostly
made sense without reading the previous novel. From what little I still
remember, Battlestations! could definitely be put in the same catagory
as early UF. But it's been at least eleven years since I read the novel,
and I can't have been farther along than 6th grade at the time, so take
my ramblings for what little they're worth.

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40. "RE: Kai the authors!"
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   >>before she moved from Bala Cynwyd, PA to Ireland;
>
>In search of more easily pronounced place names?

Baah-la Kin-wood. It's a suburb of Philadelphia.

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46. "RE: Kai the authors!"
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   >>>before she moved from Bala Cynwyd, PA to Ireland;
>>
>>In search of more easily pronounced place names?
>
>Baah-la Kin-wood. It's a suburb of Philadelphia.

I meant to say the same thing. There's a bizarrely high amount of Welsh town and street names in the Philly suburbs, cheek-by-jowl with a great deal of Germanic town and street names. (And a few even more out-of-place-seeming French names.)

(Though nothing beats the kid I knew who was born in Bethlehem and raised in Nazareth, Pennsylvania. He even had long hair and a beard.)

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47. "RE: Kai the authors!"
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   >>>>before she moved from Bala Cynwyd, PA to Ireland;
>>>
>>>In search of more easily pronounced place names?
>>
>>Baah-la Kin-wood. It's a suburb of Philadelphia.
>
>I meant to say the same thing. There's a bizarrely high amount of
>Welsh town and street names in the Philly suburbs, cheek-by-jowl with
>a great deal of Germanic town and street names. (And a few even more
>out-of-place-seeming French names.)

Took me a long time to get used to the pronounciation of the Skoo-kill Expressway (don't try to spell that name, though, it's dangerous!)

>(Though nothing beats the kid I knew who was born in Bethlehem and
>raised in Nazareth, Pennsylvania. He even had long hair and a beard.)

I rather like that Intercourse, Pennsylvania is in the heart of Amish country.


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54. "RE: Kai the authors!"
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   >Took me a long time to get used to the pronounciation of the Skoo-kill
>Expressway (don't try to spell that name, though, it's dangerous!)

I spent a few months working at a store in the Coventry Mall, which is right on Schuylkill Road. It was fun listening to the home office and vendors try to pronounce it.

"Sheh... shuh..."
"Schuylkill. Say it like school-kill."
"Shoe-kill."
"Close enough."

>I rather like that Intercourse, Pennsylvania is in the heart of Amish
>country.

Yes, and it's near Paradise. (There's a bumper sticker to that effect.)

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55. "RE: Kai the authors!"
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   >>Took me a long time to get used to the pronounciation of the Skoo-kill
>>Expressway (don't try to spell that name, though, it's dangerous!)
>
>I spent a few months working at a store in the Coventry Mall, which is
>right on Schuylkill Road. It was fun listening to the home office and
>vendors try to pronounce it.
>
>"Sheh... shuh..."
>"Schuylkill. Say it like school-kill."
>"Shoe-kill."
>"Close enough."
>

I always refer to it as the 'Sure-Kill', mainly in reference to it's effects when drunk. <and don't get close enough to smell it, in the summer, it can be overpowering>

>>I rather like that Intercourse, Pennsylvania is in the heart of Amish
>>country.
>
>Yes, and it's near Paradise. (There's a bumper sticker to that
>effect.)
>

But what about 'Bird in Hand' and 'Blue Ball'?

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52. "RE: Kai the authors!"
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   >(Though nothing beats the kid I knew who was born in Bethlehem and
>raised in Nazareth, Pennsylvania. He even had long hair and a beard.)

I presume by the lack of mention he wasn't Hispanic and named "Hay-sus"; wouldn't it have been great if that had been the case? <grin>

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51. "RE: Kai the authors!"
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   >>(Disclosure: Diane's an old
>>friend from way back
>Namedropper. Next you'll tell us about how you know Steve Jackson. :)

Who? Oh, yeah, the British guy who does the "make your own adventure" books.

<grin>

>>Technically against Paramount policy for Trek novels,
>at least until somebody over there actually read Dreadnought!
>and realized that it was way too late to start trying to
>prevent the Trek novels from resembling online fanfiction. :)

<chuckle> I think it's pretty obvious that the best official Trek fiction has been written by serious Trek fans, as opposed to authors who just wanted another job...

>>There's a character/type with potential
>>for UF, now that I think of it.
>Horta are awfully unwieldy.

But handy when you need to get that tritanium door down quickly... as long as he hasn't had lunch yet...

> Now, the Lava Men... :)

Have less severe environmental demands? <grin>

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56. "RE: Kai the authors!"
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   >>>(Disclosure: Diane's an old
>>>friend from way back
>>Namedropper. Next you'll tell us about how you know Steve Jackson. :)
>
>Who? Oh, yeah, the British guy who does the "make your own adventure"
>books.
>
><grin>

Ah, Fighting Fantasy was the name, wasn't it? I was completely addicted to those damn books the entire time I was in England (fourth grade, for about 5 months). I still have them in my closet, dogeared and written all over. I think I've got about 30 of 'em.

I never did beat that stupid 'Return to Mount Firesomething'. Now I'm gonna have to dig it up and read it again, thanks to you.

My favorite was the one where you're a space assasin. Can't remember the name, although it may very well have been 'Space Assasin'.

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59. "RE: Kai the authors!"
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   >>before she moved from Bala Cynwyd, PA to Ireland;
>
>In search of more easily pronounced place names?

As a temporary resident of Pennsylvania (went to college there), I must protest! (I am a merry man, but not about that.)

'Bala Kinwood' is NOT hard to say!

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60. "RE: Kai the authors!"
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   >>>before she moved from Bala Cynwyd, PA to Ireland;
>>
>>In search of more easily pronounced place names?
>
>As a temporary resident of Pennsylvania (went to college there), I
>must protest! (I am a merry man, but not about that.)
>
>'Bala Kinwood' is NOT hard to say!
>

As a resident of the Philadelphia region for all but 4 years of my life, I would agree, but it IS difficult to intuit that pronunciation from the spelling... <one would expect it to be something like 'bala kinwid'>

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42. "RE: Kai the authors!"
In response to message #23
 
   >Allow me to second this recommendation. (Disclosure: Diane's an old
>friend from way back before she moved from Bala Cynwyd, PA to Ireland;
>I'm not unbiased.) Although I have problems with her
>randomly-generated Romulan language (not as elegant as
>klingonaase and pretty much unpronounceable), the culture and
>characters she created simply rock.

I wonder if she is using some sort of random syllable generator for Romulan, or if she's gone to the trouble of coming up with some sort of grammar and vocabulary?

btw - I realize she's been busy, but please ask her to try not to space out the release of books in a series quite so much next time? It kind of makes it hard to keep up with the action. (I refer to the Tale of the Five series. Book 1 in 1978, Book 2 in 1979, Book 3 in 1983, Book 4 in 1992, Book 5 scheduled for December 2001.)


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43. "RE: Kai the authors!"
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   >I wonder if she is using some sort of random syllable generator for
>Romulan, or if she's gone to the trouble of coming up with some sort
>of grammar and vocabulary?

While I'm having some difficulty finding the reference, I found a page online once that detailed how she did it, which is "both". She actually wrote a computer program to randomly generate words, but she did devise a grammar and whatnot to use her randomly generated vocabulary. Personally, I think she should have made a few more rules for it, as the Rihannsu language doesn't rank high in pronounceability, but this was in the early 80s, so I guess we take what we can get.

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53. "RE: Kai the authors!"
In response to message #42
 
   >I wonder if she is using some sort of random syllable generator for
>Romulan, or if she's gone to the trouble of coming up with some sort
>of grammar and vocabulary?

There's already been an answer to this, and to tell the truth, it's more complete than the one I could have given. I remember her talking about the program which generated the words, which was a lot more simpleminded than it should have been, but she never mentioned anything about grammar in my presence.

>btw - I realize she's been busy, but please ask her to try not to
>space out the release of books in a series quite so much next time? It
>kind of makes it hard to keep up with the action. (I refer to the Tale
>of the Five series. Book 1 in 1978, Book 2 in 1979, Book 3 in 1983,
>Book 4 in 1992, Book 5 scheduled for December 2001.)

I don't promise anything -- since she moved to Ireland, our communications have gotten a bit spotty -- the occasional email is about it these days.

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5. "RE: Kai the authors!"
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   >(Poor T'Vek... after Fanfare came out, folks posted about how
>cool they thought Lore and Klaang were, and she stood off in the
>corner pouting and asking, "How about me? Can the Vulcan get some
>love?" It's not her fault she's named after a brand of insulation. :)

I had a very positive impression of T'Vek. A Vulcan with that much hair is appealing... but she does need more screen time ^_^.

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8. "RE: Kai the authors!"
In response to message #5
 
   >I had a very positive impression of T'Vek. A Vulcan with that much
>hair is appealing...

I'd originally envisioned her with the classic pageboy, but that's so overdone on Vulcan. :) (Anyway, I suspect her hairstyle is going to end up having something to do with her culture, by the time I'm finished designing it. So her screen time in Fanfare is really kind of a preview, since I'm not really finished creating her yet. :)

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49. "RE: Kai the authors!"
In response to message #8
 
   >>I had a very positive impression of T'Vek. A Vulcan with that much
>>hair is appealing...
>
>I'd originally envisioned her with the classic pageboy, but that's
>so overdone on Vulcan. :) (Anyway, I suspect her hairstyle is
>going to end up having something to do with her culture, by the time
>I'm finished designing it. So her screen time in Fanfare is
>really kind of a preview, since I'm not really finished creating her
>yet. :)

I'm picturing someone along the lines of a black haired Aisha Clan-Clan.

Kewl. ^_^

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>> -The Duelists should get into a game of Klin Zha Kinta at
>>some point.
>
>I've never been able to figure out just how klin zha is played
>well enough to be comfortable writing about people playing it.

How about a game of Dragon Poker? It's only the most complicated game ever invented.

--Mouz
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"But it's a month with an 'M' in it! So his ogre is only half of face value!"
"But there's an even number of players..."
"You're all overlooking something. It's the forty-third hand and Skeeve there is sitting in the chair facing north!"

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11. "RE: Kai the authors!"
In response to message #9
 
   >"Wait a minute. It's Tuesday. That makes his unicorns wild."
>"But it's a month with an 'M' in it! So his ogre is only half of face
>value!"
>"But there's an even number of players..."
>"You're all overlooking something. It's the forty-third hand and
>Skeeve there is sitting in the chair facing north!"

>Skeeve wins

That sounds like a combination of fizzbin and that really annoying game people used to play in the Wedge back when I was at WPI, whose name I can't remember...

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13. "RE: Kai the authors!"
In response to message #11
 
   >>"Wait a minute. It's Tuesday. That makes his unicorns wild."
>>"But it's a month with an 'M' in it! So his ogre is only half of face
>>value!"
>>"But there's an even number of players..."
>>"You're all overlooking something. It's the forty-third hand and
>>Skeeve there is sitting in the chair facing north!"

>>Skeeve wins
>
>That sounds like a combination of fizzbin and that really annoying
>game people used to play in the Wedge back when I was at WPI, whose
>name I can't remember...

My mental image is more along the lines of a cross between Poker and Calvinball.

Heheheheh.

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16. "RE: Kai the authors!"
In response to message #11
 
   >That sounds like a combination of fizzbin and that really annoying
>game people used to play in the Wedge back when I was at WPI, whose
>name I can't remember...

wouldn't, by any chance, be "Mao", would it?

a trouble sadistic game I picked up in college...



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17. "RE: Kai the authors!"
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   >>That sounds like a combination of fizzbin and that really annoying
>>game people used to play in the Wedge back when I was at WPI, whose
>>name I can't remember...
>
>wouldn't, by any chance, be "Mao", would it?
>
>a trouble sadistic game I picked up in college...

Mao and Dragon Poker are complete opposites: in Mao, there are a few rules, but you're not allowed to know them; in DP, there are more rules than gun control legislation in the US, and you need to know all of them to win....

-Z
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18. "RE: Kai the authors!"
In response to message #16
 
   >>That sounds like a combination of fizzbin and that really annoying
>>game people used to play in the Wedge back when I was at WPI, whose
>>name I can't remember...
>
>wouldn't, by any chance, be "Mao", would it?

Yes. Yes, I think it was.

I hate that game.

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29. "RE: Kai the authors!"
In response to message #18
 
   >>>That sounds like a combination of fizzbin and that really annoying
>>>game people used to play in the Wedge back when I was at WPI, whose
>>>name I can't remember...
>>
>>wouldn't, by any chance, be "Mao", would it?
>
>Yes. Yes, I think it was.
>
>I hate that game.
>
>--G.

My personal favorite variation is Hitch-hiker's M, as it is pretty easy to learn as long as you know the holy trilogy by heart.

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57. "RE: Kai the authors!"
In response to message #16
 
   >>That sounds like a combination of fizzbin and that really annoying
>>game people used to play in the Wedge back when I was at WPI, whose
>>name I can't remember...
>
>wouldn't, by any chance, be "Mao", would it?
>
>a trouble sadistic game I picked up in college...

I remember the game, too. It was Mao.

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19. "RE: Kai the authors!"
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   >Vulcan culture, I've got a few things to play with already. I still
>need to come up with a name for the... well, "faction" isn't really
>accurate... the minority group that Lieutenant T'Vek belongs to.
>(Poor T'Vek... after Fanfare came out, folks posted about how
>cool they thought Lore and Klaang were, and she stood off in the
>corner pouting and asking, "How about me? Can the Vulcan get some
>love?" It's not her fault she's named after a brand of insulation. :)

Random nitpick: Tyvek is not insulation, it's a nonwoven fabric.
It's used for weatherproofing on buildings, but is used for a variety
of things that DuPont would be happy to tell you about.
If T'Vek is as versatile as Tyvek, she'll go far. Which I certainly hope
she does.

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20. "RE: Kai the authors!"
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   >>It's not her fault she's named after a brand of insulation. :)
>
>Random nitpick: Tyvek is not insulation, it's a nonwoven fabric.

Yeah, yeah, I know. But I didn't feel like saying, "It's not her fault she's named after a brand of nonwoven fabric which is often used as the facing on insulation." Sheesh. :)

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21. "RE: Kai the authors!"
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>(Poor T'Vek... after Fanfare came out, folks posted about how
>cool they thought Lore and Klaang were, and she stood off in the
>corner pouting and asking, "How about me? Can the Vulcan get some
>love?" It's not her fault she's named after a brand of insulation. :)

Well, she can join Mac, Dean Montaigne and T'skaia on the bench of Underappreciated Supporting Cast. }:-{D

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22. "RE: Kai the authors!"
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   >Well, she can join Mac, Dean Montaigne and T'skaia on the bench of
>Underappreciated Supporting Cast. }:-{D

Props for Sky indeed. He reminds me of why I'll leave the old Richard Lester Musketeer movies on if I run into them on tv. :)

Well, minus all of the drinking and skirt chasing, anyway. You know what I mean.

>Redneck (unabashed Mac booster- hooray for the Generic Mostly Ordinary
>Guy!)

A Freespacer who's got an FTL phobia. That's gotta suck. :)

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> "An object at rest--CANNOT BE STOPPED!!!!!"

Something says 'the mad evil mightnight bomber, what bombs at midnight'
So, I would reply, 'Yeah, baby, Yeah!!!'

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14. "RE: Kai the authors!"
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   > -What about Romulans? I don't suppose you've considered Diane
>Duane's Rihannsu as a similarly far-cooler-than-TNG option for UF...
>(not to mention her version of the Vulcans, but it looks like they've
>already been crowded out...)? I know I'd rather have Ael and the
>Bloodwing on my side than the entire Next Gen Rom fleet. We'd
>win, too. :)

Ael "the unpronouncable" (how do you pronounce the Commander's last name, besides very carefully?) and her crew are the best version of Romulans out there. Geez, has it really been 17 years since they first appeared in "My Enemy, My Ally"? Too bad TPBs at Paramount got a bug up their butt about what the authors were writing, and put the clamps down. Probably because Duane's Romulans (and Ford's Klingons) were light years better than the "canon" versions :p


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24. "RE: Kai the authors!"
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   >Too bad TPBs at Paramount got a
>bug up their butt about what the authors were writing, and put the
>clamps down. Probably because Duane's Romulans (and Ford's Klingons)
>were light years better than the "canon" versions :p

Well, that's what you get when you let real authors (as opposed to career television writers) at those concepts...

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26. "RE: Kai the authors!"
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   >Well, that's what you get when you let real authors (as opposed
>to career television writers) at those concepts...

As someone who's aspiring to become a TV writer, I must regret that statement. As someone who's completely opposed to bureaucratic red tape and the mentality of those "upstairs", I must agree...to a certain extent, of course. Not all TV writers are bad, just most.

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32. "RE: Kai the authors!"
In response to message #14
 
   >> -What about Romulans? I don't suppose you've considered Diane
>>Duane's Rihannsu as a similarly far-cooler-than-TNG option for UF...
>>(not to mention her version of the Vulcans, but it looks like they've
>>already been crowded out...)? I know I'd rather have Ael and the
>>Bloodwing on my side than the entire Next Gen Rom fleet. We'd
>>win, too. :)
>
>Ael "the unpronouncable" (how do you pronounce the Commander's
>last name, besides very carefully?) and her crew are the best version
>of Romulans out there. Geez, has it really been 17 years since they
>first appeared in "My Enemy, My Ally"? Too bad TPBs at Paramount got a
>bug up their butt about what the authors were writing, and put the
>clamps down. Probably because Duane's Romulans (and Ford's Klingons)
>were light years better than the "canon" versions :p

Have you taken a close look at the Trek shelf of your local bookstore
this year?

Swordhunt and Honor Blade, the !NEW! Rihannsu novels,
picking up the tale of Ael and the Sword in the Empty Chair. With
two more to follow, sometime next year... :)~ They just acknowledge
it as an alternate-universe series, same as the reprints of Ford's
books.

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45. "RE: Kai the authors!"
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   >Have you taken a close look at the Trek shelf of your local bookstore
>this year?
>
>Swordhunt and Honor Blade, the !NEW! Rihannsu novels,
>picking up the tale of Ael and the Sword in the Empty Chair. With
>two more to follow, sometime next year... :)~ They just acknowledge
>it as an alternate-universe series, same as the reprints of Ford's
>books.

Yeah, but together they make up about 2/3 of a normal-sized book. Paramount must be milking the cow on that one.


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