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Astynax
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"So, Strike Witches"
 
   I discovered this series was lurking in the catalogue available via the Funimation streaming service and decided to give it a watch. A half dozen episodes in and I've discovered:

- None of the canon pairings are even remotely subtle about their feelings, and neither is Perrine.

- Miyafuji is a friendship determinator. Not even aggressive really, just relentless.

- Some of the dub voices surprised me. Mostly because in my head I cast most of them with appropriate accents for their nationalities, rather than mostly generic American (and definitely didn't cast Shirley as borderline valley girl.)

- The framing and camera angles in some scenes has to have been done by some former hentai animators.

- The Funimation website streaming app is toxic hot garbage. I'm convinced some disgruntled coders did this on purpose, it's too terrible to be an accident.

Overall, so far there's some surprisingly good character moments hiding behind Mount Fanservice, even if it is a show I can't bring myself to watch when anyone else in the house is in the same room. If anyone else here is on the fence, give it a try, just be sure to have privacy and stick past the first few episodes to get acclimated.


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  RE: So, Strike Witches ImpulsiveAlexia Dec-01-20 3
     RE: So, Strike Witches Gryphonadmin Dec-01-20 5
         RE: So, Strike Witches Zemyla Dec-01-20 6
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Gryphonadmin
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1. "RE: So, Strike Witches"
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   LAST EDITED ON Dec-01-20 AT 01:15 AM (EST)
 
>- None of the canon pairings are even remotely subtle about
>their feelings, and neither is Perrine.

I'm not a huge fan of the whole tsundere shtick most of the time, but Trude Barkhorn is my favorite kind of tsundere: the one who doesn't even know what a tsundere is, let alone that she is one.

>- Miyafuji is a friendship determinator. Not even aggressive really,
>just relentless.

She is, indeed, one of those people who befriend the shit out of folks.

>- Some of the dub voices surprised me. Mostly because in my head I
>cast most of them with appropriate accents for their nationalities,
>rather than mostly generic American (and definitely didn't cast
>Shirley as borderline valley girl.)

I don't think I've ever actually watched it with the English dub on, but that doesn't surprise me much. The voice director was presumably not au courant with the historical background. I mean, why would any normal person even assume that Strike Witches has historical background? :)

Sidebar: Gryphon's top five (six?) anime English dubs, in no particular order:

- The original 1990s English dub of Giant Robo, which is so ridiculous it's brilliant. It matches the over-the-top absurdity of the show perfectly. "YOU BASTARD!!! HOW DARE YOU SPEAK TO LORD ALBERTO LIKE THAAAAAAT!!!"

- The Special Duty Combat Unit SHINESMAN, which takes what was originally a lackluster sentai send-up and makes it pop. "You guys, we gotta do something about these lame weapons. Ever wish you just had a shotgun?"

- The original You're Under Arrest OVA series, which was done by the same vocal studio (Coastal Carolina) as SHINESMAN, and features casting as perfect as what you've described of Strike Witches' is not.

- K-On!, which has similarly excellent voice-to-character matching (IMO) and unusually solid performances for that sort of thing.

- The ludicrously poor Australian "educational" dubs of Super Dimension Fortress MACROSS the Movie: Do You Remember Love? and MegaZone 23 Part 2, because while they are terrible, they are also utterly memorable. "Who did you say?! Johnny Winters? SO sorry! I DON'T KNOW THE GUY!"

>- The framing and camera angles in some scenes has to have been done
>by some former hentai animators.

I bet FUNimation doesn't have the uncensored version of episode 107.

Yes. There is an uncensored version of episode 107.

> stick past the first few episodes to get acclimated.

And also to get past the bizarre whipsaw tone, which I suspect is an artifact of the writers not quite having the feel yet for how they wanted it to be. I mean, if you just go by the first two episodes, Mio Sakamoto is the worst person, I mean literally the worst. And there's not really a storyline flow to her subsequent heel-face turn, there isn't a payoff that explains or justifies why she's so mean in the first two, it's like everyone involved just realized, "Whoa, the Major is a cast-iron bitch, no one is going to stick around for the whole series if she's like that" and rewrote her.

--G.
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2. "RE: So, Strike Witches"
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   >I'm not a huge fan of the whole tsundere shtick most of the
>time, but Trude Barkhorn is my favorite kind of tsundere: the
>one who doesn't even know what a tsundere is, let alone that
>she is one.
>

That's one of the more amusing bits, since Trude (so far in my viewing) isn't that subtle about her feelings for Erica, but she also doesn't seem to be particularly aware of them. But she did spend quite a bit of time in 'war is my purpose' mode.

>She is, indeed, one of those people who befriend the shit out
>of folks.
>

It's funny to me, when I read something to this effect elsewhere around here I pictured her being more aggressive about it somehow, but in the source it just comes across as a basically unavoidable outcome. Miyafuji is inevitable.

>I don't think I've ever actually watched it with the English dub on,
>but that doesn't surprise me much. The voice director was presumably
>not au courant with the historical background. I mean, why
>would any normal person even assume that Strike Witches
>has historical background? :)
>

Would a normal person be all that involved in the production of Strike Witches to begin with?

Anime dubs have come a looooong way from the dark old days but I swear sometimes that more effort is put into video game voice work even now.

>Sidebar: Gryphon's top five (six?) anime English dubs, in no
>particular order:
>

Speaking of the dark old days of dubbing, it says something that half-ish of your list are 'so bad it becomes good' entries, rather than intentionally solid performances.

>I bet FUNimation doesn't have the uncensored version of episode 107.
>
>Yes. There is an uncensored version of episode 107.
>

Funimation has an 'uncut' setting for the series, which seems mostly to allow nipples to exist, but I'm a bit concerned that if I search around trying to see if that is, in fact, the uncensored version you speak of I'll end up on a government list or two.

That episode did leave the unanswered questions of whether Erica was ever able to locate her missing underwear, and also why all the witches seem to only have one such item per person. I'm not sure what it says about the workings of my brain that these thoughts occurred to me while watching the 'we put fanservice in your fanservice' episode of the season.

>And also to get past the bizarre whipsaw tone, which I suspect is an
>artifact of the writers not quite having the feel yet for how they
>wanted it to be. I mean, if you just go by the first two episodes,
>Mio Sakamoto is the worst person, I mean literally the
>worst. And there's not really a storyline flow to her
>subsequent heel-face turn, there isn't a payoff that explains or
>justifies why she's so mean in the first two, it's like everyone
>involved just realized, "Whoa, the Major is a cast-iron bitch, no one
>is going to stick around for the whole series if she's like that" and
>rewrote her.
>

Huh, might be a small point for the dub, in that she didn't come across quite that terrible in the first few episodes. I took her to be deeply single minded, to the point where she could barely conceive of the fact that people not fighting the war even existed, let alone able to fathom why they'd want to, and somewhat cheerfully pushy. Might be my interpretation is colored by having met the character here first though, causing me to give her some more slack.



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4. "RE: So, Strike Witches"
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   >Speaking of the dark old days of dubbing, it says something that
>half-ish of your list are 'so bad it becomes good' entries, rather
>than intentionally solid performances.

I don't think the original Giant Robo dub was "they didn't give a shit" bad; I think they were deliberately trying to match the tone of the first episode, which is utterly wacktastic all around, and in that they succeeded... perhaps too well. :)

>Funimation has an 'uncut' setting for the series, which seems mostly
>to allow nipples to exist, but I'm a bit concerned that if I search
>around trying to see if that is, in fact, the uncensored version you
>speak of I'll end up on a government list or two.

In the case of episode 107, it will be immediately apparent at a couple of points that you are watching the uncensored edition. You won't have to wonder. It's not in any way ambiguous.

>That episode did leave the unanswered questions of whether Erica was
>ever able to locate her missing underwear, and also why all the
>witches seem to only have one such item per person. I'm not sure what
>it says about the workings of my brain that these thoughts occurred to
>me while watching the 'we put fanservice in your fanservice' episode
>of the season.

I think it's an extension of the "you never see the heroes doing laundry" problem.

--G.
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3. "RE: So, Strike Witches"
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   >- The framing and camera angles in some scenes has to have been done
>by some former hentai animators.

That reminds me of a comment I once made about the manga.

Context: I was doing a Where I Read for the To LOVE-Ru manga.

>So, I decided to read some of the Strike Witches manga.
>
>... I'll never be embarrassed by the fanservice in this series again.

Oh, and this.

>But for me, there's a distinct difference in how I feel about something where the events seem to have some kind of natural flow versus one where I'm thinking "Wait a tick, a dramatic and emotional scene just happened, and there weren't any random crotch shots. Am I still reading the same manga?"

And don't get me wrong, I liked the manga. And not only is Wilma Bishop one of my favorite characters in the franchise, she's pretty high up the list for characters in anything. But there were a whole lot of "what were these people even -thinking-?" moments.

-IA.

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5. "RE: So, Strike Witches"
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   LAST EDITED ON Dec-01-20 AT 04:44 PM (EST)
 
>And don't get me wrong, I liked the manga. And not only is Wilma
>Bishop one of my favorite characters in the franchise, she's pretty
>high up the list for characters in anything. But there were a whole
>lot of "what were these people even -thinking-?" moments.

It probably doesn't help that One-Winged Witches is, as far as I've seen, the most extreme example of what we might call the World Witches aesthetic, well beyond anything Shimada himself has drawn for the franchise, and it bizarrely couples that with having one of the most serious storylines. All of which leads to the distinct impression that the message the writer is trying to get across is something along the lines of:

"This is Laura Tóth. Her career began with one of the most hideous tragedies imaginable, and she bears deep psychological scars that manifest in extreme emotional unavailability as a result. She is tortured in a way that is entirely out of keeping with this property's usual wackiness. Also, while we're here, doesn't she have the most amazing ass?"

Which is... a bit jarring, even by World Witches standards.

--G.
I mean to be fair, she does but...
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6. "RE: So, Strike Witches"
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   >This is Laura Tóth. Her career began with one of the most hideous
>tragedies imaginable, and she bears deep psychological scars that
>manifest in extreme emotional unavailability as a result. She is
>tortured in a way that is entirely out of keeping with this property's
>usual wackiness.

The way you put this, it feels like she's headed to the no-kill shelter after you're done with the stuff here.


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7. "RE: So, Strike Witches"
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   >The way you put this, it feels like she's headed to the no-kill
>shelter after you're done with the stuff here.

Well, I don't have any specific plans, but then, I usually don't and stuff happens anyway, so who knows? It's worth noting that Laura has the interesting distinction of being the only witch we know to have been thrown out of the 501st JFW, so that might be... awkward.

--G.
Trude refused to work with her, not because she's an Ostmarker, but because she's Not A Team Player.
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8. "RE: So, Strike Witches"
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   Yeah, One-Winged Witches is a hell of a drug, as they say. In that same thread I qualified that my comment was based on it in particular, after reading a different bit of Strike Witches manga that wasn't so... focused in it's choice of camera angles. Makes it a lot easier to treat the lack of pants with the same matter-of-factness as it is in-setting.


-IA.

(I seem to have entirely forgotten about Laura's existence since I read the manga, in my memory it's all the Wilma and Amelie show. Perhaps I need to read it again...)


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