Yep.

>I never can remember the album that come from.

Well, the fortunate thing about Orgy is, there are only two so far, and Candyass is the one with their cover of New Order's "Blue Monday" on it. :)

>question is, would you use GITS, Angel Sanctuary, or Metal Angel Marie
>(Er..My Dear Marie..er...whatever)?

To me, the song suggests an out-of-control AI more than a robotic individual. The overall tone of the song - and the official video, which was a bit unsettling - match up very well with the atmosphere of the System Shock games, which are dominated by a crazed female AI named SHODAN, who is opposed (and eventually destroyed, if you win) by the hacker who gave her the freedom to become evil in the first place.

That said, if I were creating an anime video for "Fiction", I wouldn't use Ghost in the Shell because I dislike the visual presentation in that movie. (I think I've grumbled about this in another thread. You're a film producer. You have the rights to one of the most popular works of Masamune Shirow, the most-sought-after character designer in the business... and you don't use his character designs? What?) I haven't seen the middle one, and Boku no Marie (when in doubt, trot out the Japanese title :) isn't right tone-wise. You could make a joke video out of it, I suppose, with a lot of footage from the episode where Marie does dream in digital, but not a serious one.

Hmm... I'm at a loss, at the moment. My mental associations with the song are too complex, I guess, to untangle into something as simple as a music video...

>[Edit Note: There was a cybernetic/matrix based show...Angel
>something...can't remember the name, but the images were cool. Angel
>Sanctuary is incorrect for the name, but it will do for a place
>holder.]

JSYK, DCForum has a habit of mistaking things in square brackets for HTML markup and disregarding them. As I discovered through painful experimentation followed by someone pointing out that I could have just checked the documentation, if you want regular test to appear as if it's in square brackets, you have to use special characters in the markup (check the HTML Reference link above the edit box the next time you're composing a post).

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Frostbite.

Out of control AI?

Do ya think Black Magic M-66 would fit the bill (never seen it, but from what I know about it the show sounds like that it would work)?

Reverend Hammer
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No, that's a robot too, and not a particularly intelligent one.

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Sharon Apple, Macross Plus - rouge AI.

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One assumes you meant "rogue". (Now don't go Stalinize your post again. That's so annoying and twinky.)

Which selection, anyway, would be fine, if I liked Macross Plus.

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Gryph beat me to this comment.

Well, mostly. I actually kind of liked Macross Plus in general, but the Sharon Apple character did less than nothing for me.

--truss.

That, and it had that Area 88 ending. That sort of thing has become trendy in anime production lately. I hate it. It makes me angry. I always feel as if all the time I've spent enjoying the program up to that point (if I have) has been cruelly wasted. It's gotten to the point now where I'm almost afraid to watch to the end of a series I like, for fear it'll turn out that way.

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This went right over my head (as so many things do).

--truss.

You might want to watch my tapes of A88 sometime, since Gryph refers to this a lot. I've never seen all of the manga, so I'm not sure how it goes (I know it differs in many ways just based on what I have seen), but the anime doesn't have an ending - it just ends. The hero of the show ends up nearly dying, he doesn't get the girl, and he comes crawling out of the desert only to find himself back at the godforsaken airbase he'd been flying out of the whole show, that he thought he'd finally gotten away from - then it ends.

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IIRC, he comes crawling back to that same airbase just in time for another alert, at which point he and his squadronmates saddle up again, and there's the very strong implication that this particular fight is one that they're not going to come back from.

Or am I misremembering? It made such a powerful impression of suckitude on me that I'd be surprised if it's faded that thoroughly...

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That's not how I remember it, but I haven't watched it in years. I remember him crawling out of the desert, seeing the buildings, thinking he's saved... then the jets take off (or land?) over him, and he sees 'A 88' painted on the runway that is in front of him, and kind of cracks.

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Hmm. Well, either way, he's fucked, and everything he's done throughout the entire series was for nothing, and the whole thing was a gigantic waste of time. And that's why I call that kind of ending an Area 88 ending.

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At the end of Area 88, after slogging his way to within spitting distance of something like a resolution, the main character (and just about everybody else) goes off to get pointlessly killed. "OK, now we'll have a lot of death, so none of this mattered at all" endings like that are increasing in commonness (I can't bring myself to say "popularity"). I use Area 88 as the reference case because it was the first thing I can recall seeing that ended that way.

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Huh? He gets the girl at the end, it is implied they lived happily every after.

Yes, Guld dies in the final combat. But it is your standard heroic friend sacrificing himself so the other guy can go on to win and get the girl.

Not very A88 at all really - where he doesn't get the girl, and he barely survives, and there is no real ending anyway, just more of the same.

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Unfortunately, Guld was the only interesting character in M+ - he was the one with the tortured past to work out - and rather than do that, he just gets killed. It's pathetic and lame.

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Then I think you missed the core of Mac+ - they ALL have screwed up pasts, and they're all connected. They all work them out at the end - Guld finally remembers that *HE* is the one who fucked it all up, and he lets them go be together, and sacrifices himself to make sure they have a chance. Thereby bringing about full circle the events - he was the one who destroyed their relationship, he was the one to restore it.

The events of their youth were the driving force behind all of their lives, and it screwed each of them up in different ways.

Guld had misremembered the past out of jealousy and shame - he was ashamed of being Zentradi and the violent tendencies that generally entails, he wanted to think of himself as always in control. Hence the drugs, and his blocking out his loss of temper with Myung, and transferring the blame.

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(As an aside, can I just point out how irritating the trend of saying that someone must have missed the point of something they say they don't like is?)

>Guld finally remembers that *HE* is the one who fucked it all up, and
>he lets them go be together, and sacrifices himself to make sure they
>have a chance. Thereby bringing about full circle the events - he was
>the one who destroyed their relationship, he was the one to restore
>it.

Seems to me the OVA version, at least, was a bit ambiguous as to just who survived; but I may have gotten that impression because it was just confusing in general. I don't recall following it too well. Anyway, the whole "evil computer trying to destroy humanity" thing didn't engage me. I've played too much System Shock to be impressed by an evil humanity-destroying AI that isn't SHODAN. :)

>Guld had misremembered the past out of jealousy and shame - he was
>ashamed of being Zentradi and the violent tendencies that generally
>entails, he wanted to think of himself as always in control. Hence
>the drugs, and his blocking out his loss of temper with Myung, and
>transferring the blame.

Yeah, I never really grasped this part either. I mean, I understand about Guld flipping out and then Stalinizing his own memory. What I don't understand is why Isamu and Myung were therefore all screwed up as well. Seems to me any rational person confronted with Guld's actions that day would have shrugged, said, "What an unbelievable loser," and gone on with life.

Whatever. I'm over-analyzing my reactions too much. I just didn't like the way the show went. Nice opening, beautiful animation, then it busted out the "creepy computer" plot and the "psychological tension" plot and lost me.

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Having not played System Shock, I can't comment on that.
However, I think Sharon Apple gets bonus points for at least one thing...
she took over the SDF1

there's a few other bonus-point-worthy bits, but I think that one is the main one

of course, Durandel ended up in control of Marathon...
and Leela (or what was left of her, I believe...massively screwed up some random alien race's network when herremenants were introduced...

ah well, arguements can be made :)