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"(S01) S1M1 Wounded Rose"
 
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So I've never been a huge fan of the "fantasy" genre; my, shall we say, lack of fondness for the works of J.R.R. Tolkien (which I can never remember the correct spelling of, by the way; maybe that's just me) is well-documented, nor have I gotten into most of the more modern fantasy epics out there. There are exceptions, though. I mean, I played Advanced Dungeons & Dragons all through high school, and that kind of thing leaves a mark. For that matter, I enjoyed the hell out of Christopher Paolini's Eragon... and I've always had kind of a soft spot in my heart for Weis & Hickman's original Dragonlance Chronicles trilogy, too.

(Mind you, we never tried to play in the Dragonlance setting back in the day. It was our considered opinion, having read the campaign setting sourcebook, that only an idiot would actually try to play AD&D in Krynn. :)

Anyway, I was at a bookstore the other day and ran across an annotated omnibus edition of the original Chronicles trilogy. I had just been thinking it might be nice to re-read those old chestnuts again, and here was a compiled edition. What luck! So I snagged it.

I have to confess a certain fondness for annotated editions of things. I'm a big fan, for instance, of the two-disc special editions of the Star Trek movies largely because they have that extra subtitle track that's all production and/or background-story details. So, reading through the annotated version of Dragons of Autumn Twilight, I thought, Why not attempt something like this for at least the early Symphony pieces?

So here we are. S1M1: Wounded Rose, annotated by line number. Depending on how hard/time-consuming this is to do and what kind of response it gets, there may be more.

Unless otherwise noted (and in this case, there aren't any), the notes are by me.

--G.


1 This opening line comes from the prologue to Electric Light Orchestra's "Twilight", on their 1981 album Time. It was suggested as the tagline for Future Imperfect by Kris "Redneck" Overstreet, I think during development of Twilight, and has appeared on almost all FI stories written since (the most notable exception being The Vastru Encounter, which for obvious reasons substitutes the opening-screen line from Marathon, "somewhere in the heavens... they are waiting").

18 These creator credits are deliberately vague because I didn't want to give away who was appearing. Of course, it's a double-edged sword; now I sometimes have a hard time remembering who some of them are. The first set covers the Revolutionary Girl Utena characters; in this case the second refers to the pair from Cowboy Bebop who appear at line 758.

35 Morgan 412 is across the hall from Morgan 413, where the real John Trussell lived during his freshman year at the real WPI, and down the hall (on the opposite side) from Morgan 401, my own room two years later. The description is as accurate as our memories could make it. Rooms in Morgan in the late '80s and early '90s really did have the most remarkably tape/FunTack-resistant paint.

56 "after last year, they owed her" - first reference to what was originally going to be a running joke regarding Kate's luck with roommates. We'll come back to this later.

73 "Aesthete" is here meant simply in the sense of "one who enjoys looking at pretty things", not the more modern pejorative sense of "an art snob".

91 Miss Claudia Montaigne owes a spiritual debt, if in no way a design one, to Chris Jacimowicz, who was dean of student activities at WPI when I went there. A huge James Bond and Blues Brothers fan who was always up for a game of Blood Bowl, Chris was a member of the WPI Science Fiction Society and an all-around great guy. Miss Montaigne has a similar belief in befriending students rather than dictating to them.

134 Utena's haircut when we first meet her is a reference to the Revolutionary Girl Utena movie, Adolescence Mokushiroku, in which she initially appears much more mannish than she is in the TV series. It is one of only two references that specifically point to the movie rather than the TV series, from which everything else Utena-related in UF is drawn, and was done, among other reasons, so that Kate and her bandmates could have a slightly different starting impression of Utena than people who would meet her later.

141 If this is literally true and Kaitlyn's never had a haircut of any kind, shampoo technology in the 25th century must be very good at preventing split ends.

189 Kaitlyn's speech impediment was part of her design from the earliest days. There is no really significant out-of-story explanation for it; I wasn't trying to make a point or anything. It just struck me as right for her. In-story, most people attribute it to an assassination attempt Kei Morgan suffered during her pregnancy, in which she was poisoned with a persistent neurotoxin, but Kate's doctors have never been able to pin down any specific neurological defect that might cause it.

224 Poor Utena's awfully twitchy in this piece, though, if you've seen Revolutionary Girl Utena, you know she has good reason to be, given that the last episode of the show happened, for her, the previous day. Here she flinches away from Kate because, when Kate comes up behind her, Utena flashes back to the way Wakaba always used to jump on her back. Remember, at this point she doesn't think she'll ever see anybody from back home again.

263 First appearance of Kotetsu no Sasayaki ("Iron Whisper"), Kaitlyn's zatoichi.

267 The food at WPI in the early '90s was really this bad. It was provided by a food service company called DA-KA, which offered several different grades of service. WPI opted for the cheapest possible one, which was demonstrably worse than that provided by the same company to hospitals and prisons. Also, this line has a reference to shyam, a Salusian noodle dish which I randomly named after Shyam Das, a man Bay Networks hired to take over the tech support department at Xylogics after they bought Xylo out and one of the main reasons I took a job at Livingston and ended up moving to California. The dish is in no way a reference to the man; I just grabbed his name out of my Pile Of Odd Foreignish Words when searching for a name for the dish.

280 The Hon. J. Maurice MacEchearn IV makes his debut. Moose is an original character, though his species is not (Hoffmanites are from Phil Foglio's Buck Godot: Zap Gun for Hire). He was originally supposed to speak in a semi-Caribbean accent, but I could never quite make it work and eventually dropped it altogether. In physical appearance, he's kind of a giant, Hoffmanite version of Big Country bassist Tony Butler.

318 Another original character, Devlin Carter speaks with an exaggerated Lord Peter Wimsey accent and in my mind always ends up looking a bit like a blond version of Largo from MegaTokyo. It's never come out on screen, but he's related to Network 23 news director Edison Carter (he's Edison's nephew) and is descended from an uncle of 20th-century dreamsage Randolph Carter. He also has a cousin named Samantha whom he hasn't seen in years.

330 Ah, Azalynn. An original character and an original species, possibly the first one I've ever really fleshed out a design for. Amusingly, she looks like a character from a show I've never actually seen. I blame Truss for that; he's the one who went on that Internet-wide anime music video bender while I was working on the pre-writing development for Symphony 1.

352 First mention of one of the Dantrovian calendar's more than 500 holidays and feasts. Falling Leaves is one of the most important of Dantrovian holidays, since it marks the passing of the most important and revered season in Dantrov's temperate regions. It's named after - but in no way resembles! - something they do at Wellesley College.

366 Originally I did intend the next school year to see Kate and her crew in one of WPI's on-campus apartments, though it was going to be a seven-student Fuller, not an Ellsworth quad.

380 And now the Art of Noise is complete on screen. Princess Dessler is another original character springing from a borrowed source, in this case the Gamilons, who were the villains in the old Space Battleship Yamato (aka Star Blazers) series. As we will see later on, her father has both the Japanese and English-dub names he bore in the original, since his full name is Desslok (the First) Dessler. The running gag I had planned for her - that she was involved in a different brushfire war somewhere on her empire's borders each school break - never quite panned out.

407 Hyperzone is a band, not an amusement park as some have speculated.

413 The Forbidden Love Poetry of Surak of Vulcan makes another appearance; we saw the Chief reading part of it in Split Infinitive.

457 "I'm not very x, but I'm y" was one of my favorite features of Devlin's design in the early days. I rather fell out of the habit of using it later on, which is a shame.

486 We find out, at least by allusion, how Devlin was "rewarded for that service" in The Courtship of Princess Dessler.

588 The last few notes of something like Jimi Hendrix's version of "The Star Spangled Banner". Respect the classics, man.

622 First mention of Liza Broadbank, who was originally supposed to be a never-seen, often-mentioned foil for Kate in matters of student affairs. Originally, Liza was developed (as Lady Elizabeth Broadbank-Mountbatten) to be a rival to a main character in an unproduced non-UF series.

686 The faithful autotailor, a piece of equipment relied upon but never seen. In my mind it resembles a vending machine with one of those ring-of-lasers automatic size scanners from Bubblegum Crisis attached to the side. Some are fully automated; the WPI one has an operator stationed next to it with a control console to prevent students from hacking the machine and getting it to make them unauthorized clothing out of their student wardrobe budget. As we see a bit further down, this system can also be hacked.

754 Moose makes reference to one of his homeworld's mythic figures, Buck Godot, who has a standing among UF Hoffmanites similar to that of, say, Paul Bunyan among people from Maine or Minnesota.

758 Edward Wong Hau Pepelu Tivrusky IV and Ein are originally from Cowboy Bebop.

854 The real WPI also had a student activities van, which was always parked at the end of Morgan Hall where I could see it from one of 401's two windows. The SFS occasionally signed it out to take people to King Richard's Faire, a renfest out in western Massachusetts.

905 Very similar to my own first attempt at driving a van.

934 I think there are references to SegAtari in the old R. Talsorian Cyberpunk 2020 game setting, but I could be misremembering. At any rate, the Wonderbox is kind of a reference to Sega's last console, the Dreamcast.

944 Kru the Executioner is one of the UF universe's Gamilon race's two main deities (the other being Dolshaia the Redeemer). "By Kru's bloodstained axe" is an epithet you'll see Amanda employ from time to time. In their source material, the Gamilons don't appear to have a religion.

961 No, the Big Dig wasn't still going on in 2404. Rather, at that point in UF-Boston's history, the Central Expressway was being dug up and run through the center of downtown as an elevated freeway. Whatever possessed the 20th-century ancients to tear down the elevated and bury the Expressway in a tunnel is quite beyond modern historians' ken.

1019 Edward apparently watches a lot of ancient television.

1076 One of the relatively few indications that students at Worcester Prep aren't simply left to their own devices like adult college students.

1092 Moose is ten ninjas!

1116 Devlin can also crack safes, but so far we've never had an excuse to have him do that.

1132 The Package is a Yamaha U5 upright piano.

1212 Exactly why "Doctor Devlin" is so good at telling how his ministrations are affecting his patients would only become clear later.

1247 Anne Cross suggested this song ("Silver Thunderbird", from Marc Cohn's self-titled 1991 album), which I hadn't heard before. Obviously Cohn doesn't sing "Kate, you must take my word" in the original.

1411 Kate's fondness for tigers makes its first appearance.

1427 My real-life dog has been known to do this.

1441 I have occasionally been tempted to dash up a quick, short meta-story involving the adventures of the year-one WPI crew's D&D party, but I'm hampered slightly by only having really considered two of the characters - Utena's paladin of Tyr and Devlin's wizard.

1501 Sir Morgan's Cove, now defunct, was an actual bar/club in Worcester, and was really known in my circle as Sir Morgan's Dive. Truss and I once got thrown out of the place while we were helping our friend Josh's band set up there and had to walk back to WPI. Josh wasn't legal to be there either at the time, but he was in the band, so he got to stay.

1536 The Art of Noise is named after the British techno band of the same name, whose hits included the theme to the 1984 Dragnet movie and the version of the Peter Gunn theme used in the movie Cool World. In modern terms it seems odd, but given the span of time that's passed in UF since the original Art's heyday, it's no worse than naming a modern band "Camper Van Beethoven".

1566 Shameless plug for a real farm store near where MegaZone's parents' camp is in Ballston Lake, NY. Such good donuts.

1608 The Day the Colonists from Earth Finally Understood commemorates just what it says - the day it finally dawned on Dantrov's human settlers that those indigenous life forms they'd been spotting from time to time were, in fact, sapient beings who had a highly developed technological culture, much higher up in the trees than the colonists had thus far ventured.

1639 We will see Azalynn's frustration at the way most Earthpeople view her religion again.

1661 And her powers of insight into the relationships and affairs of her friends' hearts as well. Azalynn is a bit of a Mercurian, for those of you familiar with the In Nomine game system. She can sense these things intuitively.

1679 Later events would indicate that Devlin looked a bit nervous at Customs not because he was ill, but because he spent most of Symphony 1 living in very justifiable fear of law enforcement.

1718 It's a bit rich of Amanda to be called Devlin inbred, given that she has an ongoing love affair with her brother, but then again, she and Garon aren't planning to have children, I suppose.

1741 The whole avenue/road/Avenue Road thing actually happened to Truss and Josh once - see below.

1772 This entire incident is drawn from real life. Truss and Josh went to Toronto on the spur of the moment to see a concert by a band they both liked, and Josh mis-heard the directions to the club in exactly this way, causing them to spend quite some time searching uselessly for Batherson's College before randomly finding themselves at the corner of Bathurst and College. Once the scene leaves the street, though, it's entirely made up. Though the club at the corner of Bathurst and College was called Sneaky Dee's when Truss and Josh went there, the internal description of the UF one is not drawn from life.

1798 Amanda's tattoo very rarely comes up; I occasionally forget she even has one. It's a sort of tribal thing, but like most things Gamilon and ceremonial, has a practical purpose as well. If you can read it, it tells you about her service record in the Gamilon fleet.

1818 "Higher Place", from Journey's 2001 album Arrival. A straightforward rock anthem, this was originally slated to be the theme song of sorts for a character relationship that wound up never happening (see the note for line 3496).

1914 Geoff Downes, who played keyboards in the Buggles and Asia, played an instrumental version of "Video Killed the Radio Star" as an intermission bridge in Asia's 1990 Moscow concert; the track title is simply "Keyboard Solo" on the concert album, Asia Live in Moscow.

1917 "B-Side" by Blotto, Zoner's hometown band, most famous for their song "I Wanna Be a Lifeguard".

1920 Probably Paul Simon's "Still Crazy After All These Years", from the 1975 album of the same name.

1922 As seen in Hammer Time, and itself a filk cover of Peter Gabriel's "Sledgehammer" (So, 1986).

1929 Dimitrios's last name is a reference to Colonel Arbuthnot, the British soldier in Agatha Christie's Murder on the Orient Express.

1953 Happy Seven is real, and it's really that kitschy inside.

1979 And we really did nearly get Truss's car towed from in front of it the time we went to Toronto, and the tow truck driver really did salute.

2103 But you'll notice Azalynn doesn't protest being called a rodent.

2131 Truss and I encountered the Shower Stall of the Future in a Courtyard by Marriott in Toronto, not a Motel 6 in Mississauga, but still.

2161 The oddest things become running gags around here. "Button face" has turned up at least three more times in the Symphony.

2176 Apparently the Red Sox didn't manage to win the 2004 Series in the UF universe.

2232 This line was originally uttered by Truss after a game at the same bubble hockey machine.

2305 What would baseball be, after all, without fan arguments resulting from controversial rules changes?

2309 Ah, the Monarchs, New Avalon's better but less popular baseball team. At the time this story was set, they belonged to Aztechnology.

2319 Coco Martinez is a descendent of 20th-century pitcher Pedro Martinez.

2321 Jarvis MacHeath sometimes plays in a kilt, but that's only allowed in American League and Federated League ballparks. As the Raiders are a Galactic League team, he's wearing pants here.

2366 The peanuts guy is based on a real peanut vendor spotted at either the Fleetcenter in Boston or McCoy Stadium in Pawtucket, I can't remember which now. He looked a bit like Grant Imahara but had a voice like a foghorn.

2371 We'll see Utena's seventh-inning stretch again.

2375 My own initiation into the Zen of the balk came at LeLacheur Field in Lowell, MA, during a Lowell Spinners game.

2429 An exchange frequently heard on ESPN's SportsCenter when Dan Patrick and Kenny Mayne were the primary anchors.

2439 Roughly translated, "Is that the only way you can get a girl on her back for you, Johnny?"

2482 Barry Bonds does this all the time. It's one of the several things I can't stand about that guy.

2517 "Is that the only way you can get Simpkins to go down for you, chiquita?"

2529 Something Truss and I saw Pedro say to Jimy Williams once.

2550 Similar in style to a play Randy Johnson made once when he was with the Arizona Diamondbacks, except he, being left-handed, rather terrifyingly barehanded a comebacker straight up the middle for the out.

2566 "Your mama, Johnny-boy."

2610 The Bata Shoe museum is real, and it historically gets reactions just like this, at least among my peer group.

2625 Moose hesitates because he had forgotten entirely about Kaitlyn's zatoichi when they set off.

2630 Almost verbatim from an exchange Truss had with the Customs guy at Buffalo the time he and I cut across western Ontario rather than go through Ohio to get back from Chicago.

2711 Devlin is the Fifth Doctor from Doctor Who; Azalynn is that character from Princess Mononoke; Ed and Ein are, respectively, Elwood and Jake Blues. Moose's costume makes reference to a running gag about him that never quite got fleshed out, that being that he had a tendency in those days to experiment with religions a lot. This gets referred to again a couple of times in his encounters with the Campus Crusade for Kalidor, later in the First Symphony, but then disappears.

2783 An inauspicious first meeting for Kyouichi Saionji and his future sensei.

2832 No longer a problem at the real WPI, where the stretch of West Street crossing campus in front of Olin Hall has been closed to traffic.

2914 Here we see the first of a very few conditions under which Kaitlyn could speak (as opposed to singing) without stuttering back then.

2934 No, I don't know why Kate's talking like a D&D character here. Maybe it's the only way she knows how to soliloquize like that at this point in her life.

2956 The first of many appearances of this terrific track from the Big O score.

3004 Hyakken no Arashi, the Storm of a Hundred Blades, is the Asagiri Katsujinkenryuu's answer to things like E. Honda's Hundred-Hand Slap and Chun Li's flurry kick in the old Street Fighter II games. it's one of the form's signature moves and, as we will see, a prerequisite for graduation from novice status. Kate had to prove to her father that she could do it before he'd let her carry steel in public.

3051 Kate doesn't know how true her words are...

3075 NyQuil, of course.

3078 And Vicks Vapo-Rub, the first time it's ever appeared in an Eyrie production.

3095 Ragdoll Garon will be referred to again several times, most notably in The Courtship of Princess Dessler.

3097 Some people thought Utena was talking about Kozue Kaoru here, but she actually means Nanami Kiryuu, who was, when Utena knew her, much more blatant than Kozue about her infatuation with her brother.

3137 A rare moment in which even the narrator regards Devlin's names as interchangeable.

3159 Devlin makes unknowing reference to Utena's own life goals here.

3295 An excerpt from William Butler Yeats's 1920 poem "The Second Coming", from which several episodes of Neon Exodus Evangelion took their titles as well. Here we see that, for purposes of Kate's stutter, speaking in verse is apparently equivalent to singing.

3401 Another reference to a long-ago adventure Truss and I had. We met in a sort of summer camp for "gifted and talented" students in 1986 and formed, along with our roommate Kelly White, a group called "The Federation of Lawful Humanoids" to protect ourselves from the marauding horde of pinhead future fratboys who seemed to have overrun our dorm. (What do you want, we were 13, it seemed like a good idea at the time.) The Federation's "recognition phrase", as it were, was "The Federation lives forever," which was one of the first things I said to Truss when, to my astonishment, we were reintroduced by mutual friends at WPI in 1991.

3434 Once again Kate has no idea how prescient she's being.

3447 Corwin's car is based on Roger Smith's car from Big O.

3455 And here's Corwin. He went through a lot of evolution as a character under design, as did all of Gryphon's children. In Corwin's case, this evolution was spurred by the fact that he was originally devised as an adult or near-adult character, and then circumstances dictated that he begin serious appearances at the age of 13. If he seems too mature for his years in his early appearances, as he often does, that's part of the reason why. Despite his name and some overall similarities in personal style, he's not directly based on Corwin, Prince of Amber; indeed, as is shown later on, many of those style similarities are conscious on Corwin's part, since he's read Roger Zelazny's books.

3477 Though this is held to be the first thing Corwin said to Utena by both of them, he was actually answering Kate's question - but he was looking straight at (and if we're being honest, conscious of nothing other than) Utena when he said it.

3496 And in this moment, the course of history changed for both of these characters. Their interactions were supposed to be kept friendly but light. I already had a girlfriend planned for Corwin (from the aforementioned plans to introduce him as an adult character, which would've included a relationship established offscreen), and Utena naturally was going to go back to Cephiro eventually. Except that it became fairly quickly clear that none of that was going to work out at all...


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   This is really neat. I especially like getting to see the places where the story could have gone in a different direction, from the small (the various running gags that never worked out) to the large (Corwin and Utena, heh).


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   This is something I've wanted to see for a long time but didn't dare suggest. :) Takes me back to the good old days of UF Core's appendices. Thanks!

Someday I've got to eat at a DAKA-backed cafeteria, just so I can say I lived through it.

Can you tell us anything about Corwin's Ur-girlfriend?

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   Wow. This is awesome. It's like getting to see director commentaries. Love it! ^_^


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This is terrific, and I hope you do more for the other Movements, etc., whenever you can spare the time. Two comments:

2176 Apparently the Red Sox didn't manage to win the 2004 Series in the UF universe.

Naturally. If we stipulate the UFverse as being a parallel universe, with the point of divergence being the events of UF Core 1 and 2 (1991?), not to mention First Contact with the Salusians in (1999?), then the much-ballyhooed butterfly effect had already produced Big Changes by 2004; many of the players who buttressed that Sox team would be playing for other teams, if they were even in baseball at all at that point. The Earthwide and domestic US political situations would have been very different, among other things, too; I occasionally find myself idly wondering who ran in the 2000 election in the UFverse, let alone who won. (It's something to speculate on during a particularly dull spell at work, after all.)

He also has a cousin named Samantha whom he hasn't seen in years.

This Samantha Carter?

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   LAST EDITED ON Dec-05-06 AT 08:17 PM (EST)
 
>not to mention First Contact with the Salusians in (1999?),

And unofficial contact, apparently, much earlier than that. (My unsupported theory: UF Ben Dunn was a family friend of the Feeples, and published heavily fictionalized versions of their adventures to ease the path to official contact...)

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37. "RE: Annotations: S1M1"
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   >He also has a cousin named Samantha whom he hasn't seen in
>years.

>
>This Samantha Carter?

That's the one. (Oh hey, she shares a birthday with Utena.)

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6. "RE: Annotations: S1M1"
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   Nifty!

I'd really enjoy seeing more of these.

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7. "RE: Annotations: S1M1"
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   Neat! Some of this appears to be things that have come up in other discussions, but it's nice to have it all in one place. I love the fiddly little bits of detail...

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8. "RE: Annotations: S1M1"
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   854 The real WPI also had a student activities van, which was always parked at the end of Morgan Hall where I could see it from one of 401's two windows. The SFS occasionally signed it out to take people to King Richard's Faire, a renfest out in western Massachusetts.

having had call to recently peruse a map of the area, i feel obligated to point out that carver (the town in which king dick's is held) is in southeastern mass on the way to cape cod...

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10. "RE: Annotations: S1M1"
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   >having had call to recently peruse a map of the area, i feel obligated
>to point out that carver (the town in which king dick's is held) is in
>southeastern mass on the way to cape cod...

Ah, OK. I never got around to going, and had formed the impression from hearing people talk about it that it was out in BFE the Berkshires someplace, near the Connecticut border.

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9. "RE: Annotations: S1M1"
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   I've wondered about the exchanges between Coco<1> Martinez and Gill since I very first read it. Of course, not enough to, you know, bother you about, but..:)
Thanks. The annotation is pretty cool.


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11. "RE: Annotations: S1M1"
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   Oh, MAN. You have truly MADE my night. This is the kind of stuff that I rewatch movies with the director and crew babbling on in the background for. :)

That being said, is there a specific way to read the story by line? I assume so since that's how you marked the entries, and while I can oddly enough pick out say....one in five situations off the top of my head, I'd love to get the whole if possible.


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13. "RE: Annotations: S1M1"
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   >That being said, is there a specific way to read the story by line? I
>assume so since that's how you marked the entries, and while I can
>oddly enough pick out say....one in five situations off the top of my
>head, I'd love to get the whole if possible.

Use a pure text reader/editor, like less, vi, and the like. Or, if you read on Windows (what? doesn't every UF fan have access to a shell account? :P) if nothing else Notepad has a GoTo Line # feature IIRC. If not, there's plenty of other 3rd-party editors that do, and I think even XP has command-line "edit" that will do it for you...

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16. "RE: Annotations: S1M1"
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   >Use a pure text reader/editor, like less, vi, and the like. Or, if
>you read on Windows (what? doesn't every UF fan have access to a
>shell account? :P) if nothing else Notepad has a GoTo Line # feature
>IIRC.

Yeah, I just used the what-line-is-the-cursor-on indicator in the Windows port of GNU Emacs to keep track of what I was annotating.

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17. "RE: Annotations: S1M1"
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   >Yeah, I just used the what-line-is-the-cursor-on indicator in the
>Windows port of GNU Emacs to keep track of what I was annotating.
>
Oh, right, you're one of those people... Eh, no biggie. My wife is too - we have a "mixed" marriage... :)

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18. "RE: Annotations: S1M1"
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   >Oh, right, you're one of those people...

Well, what am I supposed to use, vi? colon q fuck that. :)

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19. "RE: Annotations: S1M1"
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   >>Oh, right, you're one of those people...
>
>Well, what am I supposed to use, vi? colon q fuck that. :)

M-x Preach it, brother!


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22. "RE: Annotations: S1M1"
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   >>Oh, right, you're one of those people...
>
>Well, what am I supposed to use, vi? colon q fuck that. :)

(I like vi... It's very useful for editing shell scripts and other little quick things on servers where I really don't want to install the bajillion prereqs emacs has. But it's definitely not a word processor.)


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38. "RE: Annotations: S1M1"
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   >Oh, MAN. You have truly MADE my night. This is the kind of stuff that
>I rewatch movies with the director and crew babbling on in the
>background for. :)
>
>That being said, is there a specific way to read the story by line? I
>assume so since that's how you marked the entries, and while I can
>oddly enough pick out say....one in five situations off the top of my
>head, I'd love to get the whole if possible.

Quite late to the party here...

If none of the suggested methods for reading with the line count works for you, and you haven't found another way to do it, Word will work.

Open the story as a text file (they come that way, so I guess you really just have to download it) in Word. From there, I do this in my version of Word:

On the Menu Bar click View | Page Layout
On the Menu Bar click Edit | Select All
On the Menu Bar click File | Page Setup
Click the Layout tab
Click the Line Numbers button
Click the Add Line Numbering checkbox. Make sure the settings will start at 1, count by 1, and the numbering is continuous (the settings may be disabled until you click that checkbox).
Click OK

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12. "RE: Annotations: S1M1"
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   >318 Another original character, Devlin Carter speaks with an
>exaggerated Lord Peter Wimsey accent and in my mind always ends up
>looking a bit like a blond version of Largo from MegaTokyo.

"w3 n33d m0r3 l4rg3r!"

...sorry.

> He also has a cousin
>named Samantha whom he hasn't seen in years.

It gives me the warm fuzzies to know that she's out in the universe somewhere. I suspect she's a regular contributor to Gorgeous Ladies of Science Quarterly.

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14. "RE: Annotations: S1M1"
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   Hmm. The annotations themselves make a short story's worth of read all by themselves (and a good one). Would you add a sub-link into the S1M1 page to a copy of this, cause it'd be neat-o-keen for readers to see this?


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15. "RE: Annotations: S1M1"
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   >Hmm. The annotations themselves make a short story's worth of read all
>by themselves (and a good one). Would you add a sub-link into the S1M1
>page to a copy of this, cause it'd be neat-o-keen for readers to see
>this?

To really do it right I'd have to convert the story file to HTML and add all of the notes as clickable new-window links, which sounds like far too much work to me (and, as noted many times before, I don't like the way simple HTML makes stories look). I'll think about it, but right now I don't have a way of doing it that wouldn't be clunky.

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21. "RE: Annotations: S1M1"
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   No need to go to all that trouble, there's a quick and dirty way to do that...

Just place the following code round your text (renamed as .html) file...


<html><head>
<script type="text/javascript" src="./notes.js"></script>
<style type="text/css">
input {
border:0px;font-size:6pt;vertical-align:super;
color:#00f;background-color:#fff;cursor:pointer;
}
</style>
</head><body onload="addn()"><pre id=annotate>

And the following after it (important: leave no blank lines)...


</pre></body></html>

Then cut-n-paste (from the browser) your notes into a text file
called 'notes.js', fire up vim (ok, you could do this with emacs,
but I've never learnt keyboard-twister, so I stick with what I
know), and run (cut-n-paste) the following substitution commands
to vim in command mode...


:1
:s/'/\\'/g999999
:1
:s/^[0-9][0-9]*/i&:'/999999
:1
:s/^i.*/&',/999999
:1
:s/:'[ ]*/:'/999999
:1

(This will convert it into proper javascript code.)

Finally add "var notes={" to the top and the following to the
end of your new notes.js file...


i0:''};
function note(n) {
if( notes['i'+n] ) {
alert( notes['i'+n] );
}
return false;
}
function addn() {
if( document.getElementById ) {
var nx=(''+document.getElementById('annotate').innerHTML).split('\n');
var n;
for( n=0; n<nx.length; ++n ) {
if( notes['i'+n] ) {
nx[n-1] += '<input type=button onclick="note('+n+')" value="['+n+']">';
} }
document.getElementById('anotate').innerHTML = nx.join('\n');
} }

Then, with a modern browser and any luck, the javascript should
automatically add a clickable button to the end of each line with
an associated note which will bring up a javascript alert with the
text of the note.

Now, would someone explain why I keep seeing one of your the music
notes as I write this...


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25. "RE: Annotations: S1M1"
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   LAST EDITED ON Dec-12-06 AT 02:39 PM (EST)
 
I only followed about 10 percent of that myself, but Truss was able to use it as a springboard to:

S1M1: The Annotated Edition

Requires JavaScript (naturally), and takes a while to load because of all the client-side futzing around it has to do, but what do you want for a free bonus feature?

Coding up the comment source files is rather labor-intensive and not much fun, so don't expect annotated editions of the actual stories to appear with anything like the frequency of the "do it yourself" Forum note blocks.

Will be linked on the website as soon as I work out to my satisfaction how to do that in a way that looks decent and conveys the necessary spoiler warnings. (I didn't worry much about that for the Forum versions because I don't really expect anybody reading the Forum not to have read the Symphonies yet, which may be a flawed assumption in itself.)

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26. "RE: Annotations: S1M1"
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   That's really cool. Thanks to you and Truss for making it.


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32. "RE: Annotations: S1M1"
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   >That's really cool. Thanks to you and Truss for making it.

Ditto. And ditto. And I look forward to the day that all the chapters have such nicely-managed annotations.

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27. "RE: Annotations: S1M1"
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   *whistles* Very stylish, I might say.

As for the linked to the website situation, a simple solution that occurs to me would be something like:

First Movement: Wounded Rose (Annotated Edition)
Benjamin D. Hutchins

Add in some general spoiler warning about the annotated version at the top of the page("Annotated Version may contain spoilers to later stories") and you'd pretty much be golden, I'd think. Dunno how hard that'd be to code in or if it'd look too clunky though.


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28. "RE: Annotations: S1M1"
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   Link 404'd on me, but the effort is highly appreciated (and awesome, too). :)


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29. "RE: Annotations: S1M1"
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   >Link 404'd on me, but the effort is highly appreciated (and awesome,
>too). :)

That's strange, it was working last night...

Oh, Truss moved the file.

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30. "RE: Annotations: S1M1"
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   Uh, yeah. Truss wasn't warned that you were going to point the Weasels at the page, and was still working on the code. ;)

The location should be stable now, though there may still be some bugs lurking in there.


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31. "RE: Annotations: S1M1"
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   >Uh, yeah. Truss wasn't warned that you were going to point the
>Weasels at the page, and was still working on the code. ;)

You went to bed! You used the phrase "well, have at it." What was I supposed to think? :)

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20. "RE: Annotations: S1M1"
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   Gryph, thanks for this, it's really great. I thoroughly enjoy lurking and reading all the information you give out here on the forum, but this is some of the best behind-the-scenes stuff I've read here in ages. I really hope you have the time and inclination to do more of these.

Cheers!

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   I always liked reading the author's notes as well, so I definately enjoyed this.

Eagerly awaiting the next installment.

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24. "RE: Annotations: S1M1"
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   >
>457 "I'm not very x, but I'm y" was one of my
>favorite features of Devlin's design in the early days. I rather fell
>out of the habit of using it later on, which is a shame.
>

I always assumed it was a piece of his Upper-Class-Twit routine, and it dropped because he no longer needed it. I'm going to continue believing that you planned it that way.

>
>486 We find out, at least by allusion, how Devlin was
>"rewarded for that service" in The Courtship of Princess
>Dessler
.
>

I thought it was obvious. Of course, Azalynn is the indicator there.

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33. "RE: Annotations: S1M1"
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   I'm not sure if this is really the place.... but I typeset all the Symphony in LaTeX a while back (I think I sent an email to Gryphon about this a year or two ago...) and think I'll be adding these annotations as footnotes.

If anyone is interested in my prettified versions, I won't post them without Ben's OK, but I'd be happy to post them on my own website. I think they're pretty nice, but I'm also one of those people who uses campus computer lab printers to read these off-line when I can. ;)

I'll look back at this thread to see if anyone's interested.

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34. "RE: Annotations: S1M1"
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   >I'm not sure if this is really the place.... but I typeset all the
>Symphony in LaTeX a while back

Oh, Lordy, LaTeX. I feel like James Earl Jones's character in Field of Dreams. "You're from the Eighties, aren't you." :)

>If anyone is interested in my prettified versions, I won't post them
>without Ben's OK, but I'd be happy to post them on my own website.

My only beef with people keeping offline copies is that those copies get out of date when I fix things. For instance, in the course of working on the annotations I've come across a few mistakes in the files and touched them up a bit, and I routinely get reports of missed typos and the like from the field. I try to avoid making significant revisions to things once they get posted, but occasionally there are what I consider compelling reasons - and then there are copies kicking around in people's offline archives and whatnot that aren't current, which can lead to confusion when new material comes along that refers to the current revision here at headquarters.

That said, if that's a risk you're willing to take, who am I to blow against the wind? As long as you don't go altering the text (or the credits), I'm down. Just keep in mind that if you don't get it from eyrie-productions.com, it's not the official version and we can't be held responsible for what you might find in it. (In fact, those of you maintaining offsite backups, if you're putting them where people can find them, would be doing me a favor if you'd post a note to that effect.)

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35. "RE: Annotations: S1M1"
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   Alas! A prompt response, and I'm off reading more annotations... and going straight to bed after I post this. :P

> "You're from the Eighties, aren't you."

I admit, LaTeX may not be fashionable, but it seemed like fun at the time, and better than RTF. I do 98% of it with a 74-line file I just :so in vim, which includes lines like this:

"2vpjdd4kp/Eyri

I know you're an Emacs-type, so I hope you don't object on religious grounds. :) I still had to do closing credits by hand (their formatting comes in a few flavors) and I went through and proofed them afterwords (a fancy way of justifying the re-read). Aside from a few spelling errors, I don't think I changed any text.

As to your concern with versioning, it'd be simple enough to set up a cron-job to do a periodic (weekly? monthly?) wget & diff, emailing me a patch file to update from. Not really a concern, given forethought. But all this is hypothetical until someone besides me wants them. I admit I did most of my reading, from 1998 until tonight, in 80x25 and whatever font my console defaults to.

I'm sure I'm coming off as a bit of a geek here, so I'll can it. Thanks for the speedy response and mild encouragement. I'm off for a few hours of rest before the cycle begins anew.

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36. "RE: Annotations: S1M1"
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   >> "You're from the Eighties, aren't you."
>
>I admit, LaTeX may not be fashionable, but it seemed like fun at the
>time, and better than RTF.

Pardon me while I sit here and boggle at "but it seemed like fun at the time," a bit. Then again, my interactions with LaTeX have all been trying to COMPILE the bloody thing, not use it, so.

>I'm sure I'm coming off as a bit of a geek here, so I'll can it.
>Thanks for the speedy response and mild encouragement. I'm off for a
>few hours of rest before the cycle begins anew.

"But I don't want to go among geeks!"
"We're all geeks here. I'm a geek. You're a geek."

Better than coming off as a psychoravingfanboy, believe me.


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39. "RE: Annotations: S1M1"
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   >My only beef with people keeping offline copies is that those copies
>get out of date when I fix things. For instance, in the course of
>working on the annotations I've come across a few mistakes in the
>files and touched them up a bit, and I routinely get reports of missed
>typos and the like from the field. I try to avoid making significant
>revisions to things once they get posted, but occasionally there are
>what I consider compelling reasons - and then there are copies kicking
>around in people's offline archives and whatnot that aren't current,
>which can lead to confusion when new material comes along that refers
>to the current revision here at headquarters.
>
I keep offline copies so that I can read them whenever, wherever, regardless of my connectivity status. I do occasionally find a small difference when I happen to re-read something online (or when I do a refresh of my archives), but it's never been more than a spelling correction or the like. Until now :) One of the annotations didn't quite make sense to me until I realized that my offline copy that I was reading was the original version you were referring to (in the scene Mia invoked Nall) and I had no idea it had been updated...

I'm sure this would be more work for you than its worth, so feel free to ignore the idea, but as a reader it would make my life a little easier if you could post something when content changes are made to an existing file. I'm not talking about things like spelling corrections, but if you change something bigger that can affect the flow/feel of the story. Maybe even just adding posting/update dates to the website or something. Actually, on second thought, it's probably more complicated than that, and that would definitely be more work for you than I would expect you to put in. If you come up with an easy way to do something like that, great; if not, don't worry about it. It's my responsibility to keep my archives up-to-date...

Good stuff all around - these annotations are really fun and enlightening to read!

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40. "RE: Annotations: S1M1"
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   >267 The food at WPI in the early '90s was really this bad. It
>was provided by a food service company called DA-KA, which offered
>several different grades of service. WPI opted for the cheapest
>possible one, which was demonstrably worse than that provided by the
>same company to hospitals and prisons.

--rR

A Worcester newspaper in the early 90's rated the food services of the city's ten colleges, and WPI came in dead last. The quote from the article was along the lines of "Well, if you like peppercorns and Froot Loops, you're in luck". The man who became my father-in-law heard some of these stories and chalked it up to exaggeration, then tried some. A retired Navy officer with plenty of institutional chow experience, even he was disgusted.


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41. "RE: Annotations: S1M1"
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   >2131 Truss and I encountered the Shower Stall of the Future in
>a Courtyard by Marriott in Toronto, not a Motel 6 in Mississauga, but
>still.

I have no idea why this bubbled up out of my brain now, of all moments, but I've just remembered that the Shower Stall of the Future was in a Motel 6, but it wasn't in Canada at all; it was in one of the ones we stayed at when we went to Anime Central in 2001 (the road trip on which much of the preliminary development for Wounded Rose happened, in fact). I still don't remember precisely where it was, though. It was either at the Motel 6 in Chicago that we stayed at during the actual con, the one in Erie, PA that we stayed at on the way out, or the one we stayed at on the way back, and I can't even remember where that one was (upstate New York somewhere, maybe?).

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42. "RE: Annotations: S1M1"
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   934 I think there are references to SegAtari in the old R. Talsorian Cyberpunk 2020 game setting, but I could be misremembering.

Somebody else agrees with you, for what it's worth.

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43. "SoS: WPI Terms"
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   I think this is probably the right annotations thread; and I can't see that the question's been asked anywhere so...

WPI clearly has a four term year (ABCD terms). All the establishments I'm used to in the UK have had three terms (some variant on Autumn, Winter, Spring; often with a nominal term in the summer vac). Other places I know have moved to two terms (Semesters), but they typically have an awkward break between Semesters about 3 weeks after the Christmas break -- dividing one of those into halves again would divide B term about equally on both sides of Christmas which clearly isn't what WPI does because B term is ending late in December, just before Christmas.

The date at the top of Wounded Rose suggests that WPI starts a week or two before UK schools (and over a month before the University I went to); which seems to suggest A and B terms are about 8 weeks each with a week in between ("A term ended uneventfully, and Utena and Kate spent the off week between terms..."), C term runs mid-Jan to mid-Mar, and D term must therefore be April and May?

To my eye that's basically a lot of crush education time (32 out of 36 weeks?) and then 16 straight weeks of summer vacation (not quite enough time to fit a nominal E and F terms); but is that correct?

If it is I guess that makes a lot more sense of some of the later stories set during the summer vac that always seemed to me to be quite hurried.

L.

(I think I've mostly answered my original question, but there is still a question as to whether I've understood there).


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44. "RE: SoS: WPI Terms"
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   >To my eye that's basically a lot of crush education time (32 out of 36
>weeks?) and then 16 straight weeks of summer vacation (not quite
>enough time to fit a nominal E and F terms); but is that correct?

Yes. It's based on the real WPI's calendar, which is unusual by the standards of American universities. Most US colleges and universities operate on a semester system. At the University of Maine, for instance, there are two 16-week semesters per academic year, one starting the week before Labor Day (which is the first Monday in September in the US), the other in the third week of January. (There are also completely optional classes offered during the winter and summer breaks, but those are outside the scope of the discussion.)

At WPI, they run on a schedule more akin to that used by most public* elementary, middle, and high schools in the US, which divide the fall and spring semesters into two terms each. In K–12, at least where I went to school, they were numbered quarters, but at WPI they're terms A through D. There's also an optional E term in the summer. Each term at WPI is seven weeks long, but the classes meet for an hour each weekday--as opposed to undergraduate classes at UMaine, say, which meet in a few different formats that all add up to three contact hours per week.

WPI's seven-week terms are a high-compression academic environment, because there is very little margin for error built into such a schedule. If you get sick and miss a week's worth of classes at a normal university, you're out three class hours of the nominal 48 there will be that semester, which is 6¼ percent of the available class time. At WPI, with the same length absence, you've missed more than twice as much class time: five hours out of 35, or slightly more than 14 percent. And that's only for one course; if you're a full-time student, you'll be carrying at least three. It's very difficult to come back from any significant stumble under such an unforgiving calendar. Ask me how I know!

--G.
* Note that US public schools are what I think you call "comprehensive" schools over there: government-funded and non-exclusive. More or less the complete opposite of what a public school is in the UK.
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45. "RE: SoS: WPI Terms"
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   >Yes. It's based on the real WPI's calendar, which is unusual by the
>standards of American universities. Most US colleges and universities
>operate on a semester system. At the University of Maine, for
>instance, there are two 16-week semesters per academic year, one
>starting the week before Labor Day (which is the first Monday in
>September in the US), the other in the third week of January. (There
>are also completely optional classes offered during the winter and
>summer breaks, but those are outside the scope of the discussion.)

Which does indeed sound much better than our semesters; I wonder why our semester-based institutions didn't copy that.

>WPI's seven-week terms are a high-compression academic environment,
>because there is very little margin for error built into such a
>schedule. If you get sick and miss a week's worth of classes at a
>normal university, you're out three class hours of the nominal 48
>there will be that semester, which is 6¼ percent of the available
>class time. At WPI, with the same length absence, you've missed more
>than twice as much class time: five hours out of 35, or slightly more
>than 14 percent. And that's only for one course; if you're a
>full-time student, you'll be carrying at least three. It's very
>difficult to come back from any significant stumble under such an
>unforgiving calendar. Ask me how I know!

Having also been to a high-compression academic environment I'm sadly aware - I burnt out in my third year of undergrad, in hindsight for reasons probably neurobehavioural and inevitable although it didn't feel it at the time.

L.

>* Note that US public schools are what I think you call
>"comprehensive" schools over there: government-funded and
>non-exclusive. More or less the complete opposite of what a public
>school is in the UK.

It's all got messed up over here, but the weird definition of 'public school' still exists (originally as opposed to guild or church schools). But now comprehensive includes Academies (can get funding and influence beyond government) and Faith Schools (can restrict half their intake to appropriate faith) which doesn't really match the original vision. I'm glad I'm not navigating it as either pupil or parent really.


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