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Kingcake
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"UF Troi"
 
   Does the UF version of Counselor Troi buy into the whole Psi Corps deal? Like, the superiority complex, the hatred of Freespacers and blips, and whatnot? From the way she treated Devlin, I'm guessing not, but since we only see her just the once I really can't tell whether she's actually the nice person she is in Star Trek or whether she's just sucking up to the P12.


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  RE: UF Troi Offsides Nov-25-01 1
     RE: UF Troi Star Ranger4 Nov-25-01 2
     RE: UF Troi Matrix Dragon Nov-25-01 4
  RE: UF Troi remandeteam Nov-25-01 3
  RE: UF Troi Gryphonadmin Nov-25-01 5
     RE: UF Troi Kingcake Nov-25-01 6
         RE: UF Troi Gryphonadmin Nov-25-01 7
     RE: UF Troi bparanial Nov-27-01 8
         RE: UF Troi megazone Nov-27-01 9

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Offsides
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1. "RE: UF Troi"
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   >Does the UF version of Counselor Troi buy into the whole Psi Corps
>deal? Like, the superiority complex, the hatred of Freespacers and
>blips, and whatnot? From the way she treated Devlin, I'm guessing not,
>but since we only see her just the once I really can't tell whether
>she's actually the nice person she is in Star Trek or whether she's
>just sucking up to the P12.

My guess is that it's the influence of Captain Picard. After all, he has a much more balanced attitude and tends to encourage that in his crew. I expect that if she wasn't more mellow than the average Psi Corps goon, he'd request a replacement...

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2. "RE: UF Troi"
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   >>Does the UF version of Counselor Troi buy into the whole Psi Corps
>>deal? Like, the superiority complex, the hatred of Freespacers and
>>blips, and whatnot? From the way she treated Devlin, I'm guessing not,
>>but since we only see her just the once I really can't tell whether
>>she's actually the nice person she is in Star Trek or whether she's
>>just sucking up to the P12.
>
>My guess is that it's the influence of Captain Picard. After all, he
>has a much more balanced attitude and tends to encourage that in his
>crew. I expect that if she wasn't more mellow than the average Psi
>Corps goon, he'd request a replacement...
>

My take on it is that UF Troi is the same basic, Nice person that she is in the source material. Gryph tends not to dink with things unless they need it to fit into the continuity. Being half human, and earth human at that, It seems to me that she considers the Psi Corps as something she has to put up with as part of being who she is, not that she agrees with their.... 'propoganda'

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4. "RE: UF Troi"
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   >>Does the UF version of Counselor Troi buy into the whole Psi Corps
>>deal? Like, the superiority complex, the hatred of Freespacers and
>>blips, and whatnot? From the way she treated Devlin, I'm guessing not,
>>but since we only see her just the once I really can't tell whether
>>she's actually the nice person she is in Star Trek or whether she's
>>just sucking up to the P12.
>
>My guess is that it's the influence of Captain Picard. After all, he
>has a much more balanced attitude and tends to encourage that in his
>crew. I expect that if she wasn't more mellow than the average Psi
>Corps goon, he'd request a replacement...

Actually, The Enterprise is very different to other Starfleet ships. On several occasions, Gryph has mentioned how Starfleet is becoming more of a human only group as time goes by. Yet the command staff of the Enterprise includes a Klingon and an Android.

I suspect, that thanks to Picards influence, the beliefs and behaviour of the men and women under his command is very different to most other ships in the fleet.

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3. "RE: UF Troi"
In response to message #0
 
   >Does the UF version of Counselor Troi buy into the whole Psi Corps
>deal? Like, the superiority complex, the hatred of Freespacers and
>blips, and whatnot? From the way she treated Devlin, I'm guessing not,
>but since we only see her just the once I really can't tell whether
>she's actually the nice person she is in Star Trek or whether she's
>just sucking up to the P12.

Presumably, the UF Troi is similar to the ST Troi in being brought up on Betazed with Betazed culture. Betazed has no Psi Corps, what would be the point? Non-empaths are the exception there, and their culture is built to expect psi-empathy as human culture is built to expect eyes and ears. This upbringing is likely to trump any Starfleet indoctrination.

I suspect that she only joined Psi Corps because it is required for psychic Starfleet personnel, much like (presumably) Marina Sirtis joined the Screen Actors Guild because it is required for actors.

Again, this is all speculation, I figure Troi's perspective on Psi Corps is "Okay, I'm half Betazoid, I'm rated, I have a little piece of paper and a badge that says I'm not a blip, now will they just get out of my way and let me do my job?"

--rR

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5. "RE: UF Troi"
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   LAST EDITED ON Nov-25-01 AT 11:04 PM (EST)

>Does the UF version of Counselor Troi buy into the whole Psi Corps
>deal? Like, the superiority complex, the hatred of Freespacers and
>blips, and whatnot? From the way she treated Devlin, I'm guessing not,
>but since we only see her just the once I really can't tell whether
>she's actually the nice person she is in Star Trek or whether she's
>just sucking up to the P12.

Deanna is much as she appears in the later parts of Next Generation, after the writers realized (with, as I understand it, the rather insistent help of Marina Sirtis) that she was, as a Starfleet Academy graduate, one of the two or three thousand best-educated people in the galaxy and, as such, should be useful for more than just sitting to Captain Picard's left and being nice to troubled crewmen. She was raised on Beta Colony and only joined the Psi Corps after moving to Earth because it was required when she assumed her Earth citizenship; since she wasn't raised in the Corps, she never developed that "the Corps is Mother, the Corps is Father" mentality. (She has such a high regard for her father's memory, and her mother is such a, er, forceful individual that it's highly unlikely anything would ever replace either of them in her mind, anyway. :)

As such, she regards Corps membership as a necessary evil - ReRob was about right when he compared it to actors joining the Screen Actors' Guild if they want to perform. In truth, Deanna finds some of the Corps' restrictions quite annoying. She would like to join Starfleet, get rated for spaceflight, and help out with the running of the Enterprise, but Corps regulations prohibit their members from joining Earthforce or Starfleet. She's only aboard as a counselor, as part of the Corps' whole "we're here to serve" schtick. (The tacit influence of Captain Picard has made certain that she's a whole lot more involved in the running of the ship than any other Corps member in Starfleet, in the legitimate daily operations sense, anyway; the sad truth is that most Corps members aboard Starfleet vessels are there to be more like a zampolit than a counselor.)

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6. "RE: UF Troi"
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   LAST EDITED ON Nov-25-01 AT 11:36 PM (EST)

>She was raised on Beta Colony and only joined the
>Psi Corps after moving to Earth because it was required when she
>assumed her Earth citizenship; since she wasn't raised in the Corps,
>she never developed that "the Corps is Mother, the Corps is Father"
>mentality. (She has such a high regard for her father's memory, and
>her mother is such a, er, forceful individual that it's highly
>unlikely anything would ever replace either of them in her mind,
>anyway. :)
>
>As such, she regards Corps membership as a necessary evil - ReRob was
>about right when he compared it to actors joining the Screen Actors'
>Guild if they want to perform. In truth, Deanna finds some of the
>Corps' restrictions quite annoying. She would like to join Starfleet,
>get rated for spaceflight, and help out with the running of the
>Enterprise, but Corps regulations prohibit their members from
>joining Earthforce or Starfleet.

Do you have to be an Earth citizen to join Starfleet or serve on a Starfleet vessel, then? 's what I'm getting from this. Or is it just that any human telepath residing in Earth Alliance jurisdiction has to be a member of the Psi Corps? And what would happen if naturalized citizens in Psi Corps were to lose their citizenship? Would they then be forced to quit Psi Corps? (Wait, I can answer that one. Naturalized members of Psi Corps are permanently exempt from losing citizenship. Just one of the many benefits of membership. Join up today!)


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7. "RE: UF Troi"
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   > Or is it just
>that any human telepath residing in Earth Alliance jurisdiction has to
>be a member of the Psi Corps?

Yes, more or less. In her younger days, Deanna invoked her Earth citizenship in order to get away from her mother - it seemed like a good idea at the time - and as a rated telepath, she was then required to join the Corps.

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8. "RE: UF Troi"
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   That may be true, but it seems to me like Picard is probaly on some MiniPax
watchlist somewhere. Troi in all likely probaly had done some "interviews"
with the Corps before she was aloud to join. Can you say "alternate personality"
how about "sleeper agent", I know that you could.

Brad, (The Corps is Your Friend, Trust the Corps)


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9. "RE: UF Troi"
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   >with the Corps before she was aloud to join. Can you say "alternate
>personality"
>how about "sleeper agent", I know that you could.

I always thought that was a fairly lame plot device when it has been used.

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