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"background/character music"
 
   It's no secret that music figures heavily - some might say disproportionately - in EPU works, especially UF. The various song-of-the-day posts make that pretty clear.

What isn't quite as obvious, at least from Forum traffic, is that there's a lot of symphonic music involved in the creative process. Sure, some tracks get used here and there in stories, especially for the credits, but since most of the time my creative process works like a movie inside my head that I'm trying to describe, very often the bits I'm working on will have incidental music that doesn't necessarily end up in the text itself. For instance, a number of characters have their own themes, usually borrowed from movie scores.

Examples: Corwin Ravenhair and his half-brother Leonard Hutchins both have "personal themes" in my head that are derived from the works of the late Michael Kamen. Corwin's theme is the one used in Kamen's opening and ending cuts for From the Earth to the Moon, while Leonard's is his overture from Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves (the theme of which recurs throughout the score in various forms).

Some of these are foregone conclusions. What would Darth Vader's theme be besides "The Imperial March (Darth Vader's Theme)", or Utena's besides "Scarlet of the Campus (Utena's Theme)"? What kind of madman would use anything other than Jerry Goldsmith's "Klingon Battle" for Klingons in general, or Stu Phillips's Battlestar Galactica theme for Colonial matters? And then there is the pirate music.

Others, though, aren't so intuitive. John Williams's "The Olympic Spirit" (which is not the same as his "Summon the Heroes" or his 1984 "Olympic Fanfare and Theme") is the national anthem of the Republic of Zeta Cygni (and no, I haven't made up lyrics for it). Rob Dougan's "Will You Follow Me?" appears in one of the Titans stories as New Avalon's "my gosh, will you look at that" aerial overview music, and his "Furious Angels" (the instrumental version) is something of a personal theme for a member of the Ignatine Order you haven't met yet. And that doesn't even touch on "Sing, Sing, Sing" and that whole "big band" quadrant...

Hell, even the Love Theme from Attack of the Clones turns up now and then in my mental playlist (though it has nothing to do with either of the characters for which it was originally written, and in fact in a UF context is not a love theme at all - it's Rei Ayanami's theme).

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  Subject     Author     Message Date     ID  
  RE: background/character music MoonEyes Oct-03-06 1
     RE: background/character music mdg1 Oct-03-06 2
  RE: background/character music jadmire Oct-06-06 3
     RE: background/character music Gryphonadmin Oct-06-06 4
         RE: background/character music jadmire Oct-06-06 5
             RE: background/character music Gryphonadmin Oct-06-06 6
  RE: background/character music fb111a Oct-13-06 7
     RE: background/character music Gryphonadmin Oct-13-06 8
         RE: background/character music BZArchermoderator Oct-13-06 9
             RE: background/character music Wedge Oct-13-06 10
             RE: background/character music Gryphonadmin Oct-13-06 11
                 RE: background/character music Meagen Oct-16-06 12

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MoonEyes
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1. "RE: background/character music"
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   >and his "Furious Angels" (the instrumental version) is
>something of a personal theme for a member of the Ignatine Order you
>haven't met yet.

As a not too difficult guess, this would be the one Brother Partridge descripes as 'twice as wrongheaded' as Geoff Depew?

Suppose it COULD be Abbot Talesio, but somehow 'Angel' seem to fit a woman better.

/Mooneyes

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2. "RE: background/character music"
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   Who may also be one of the new members of Special Assignment 11, if I read the signs right. Tho I could be wrong, being unfamiliar with the original.

Mario


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3. "RE: background/character music"
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   John Williams's "The Olympic Spirit" (which is not the same as his "Summon the Heroes" or his 1984 "Olympic Fanfare and Theme") is the national anthem of the Republic of Zeta Cygni (and no, I haven't made up lyrics for it).

That's a bit disappointing, really...after you mentioned the tune in a post a few years back, somehow I always imagined the instrumental version of "Hymn of the Soviet Union" as the national anthem of the RZC. Communist or not, it's just so damn stirring!

-Joe-


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4. "RE: background/character music"
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   LAST EDITED ON Oct-06-06 AT 09:34 PM (EDT)
 
>That's a bit disappointing, really...after you mentioned the tune in a
>post a few years back, somehow I always imagined the instrumental
>version of "Hymn of the Soviet Union" as the national anthem of the
>RZC. Communist or not, it's just so damn stirring!

Until the Earth Alliance abolished member-states, that song was still used as the national anthem of the Russian Federated Neo-Socialist Republic.

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5. "RE: background/character music"
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   LAST EDITED ON Oct-06-06 AT 10:08 PM (EDT)
 
>>That's a bit disappointing, really...after you mentioned the tune in a
>>post a few years back, somehow I always imagined the instrumental
>>version of "Hymn of the Soviet Union" as the national anthem of the
>>RZC. Communist or not, it's just so damn stirring!
>
>Until the Earth Alliance abolished member-states, that song was still
>used as the national anthem of the Russian Federated Neo-Socialist
>Republic.
>

OK (say, didn't I read something somewhere about the Russian colony world of...now what the hell was it called? Novaya Rodina? Novaya Zemlya? something like that...having gone over to Bolshevism or a variant thereof after revolting against the monarchy there; seems as if Russians in the UFverse just can't resist the siren song of Lenin), but after all, in the here and now, Switzerland uses the tune of "God Save the Queen" for _its_ national anthem (or did, last time I checked). Your call, of course, but if the Zetan powers-that-be ever want to switch, there's precedent...

-Joe-

(P.S. on second thought, this probably belongs in the "ask Gryphon anything" thread.)


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Gryphonadmin
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6. "RE: background/character music"
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   >say, didn't I read something somewhere about the Russian colony
>world of...now what the hell was it called? Novaya Rodina? Novaya
>Zemlya? something like that...having gone over to Bolshevism or a
>variant thereof after revolting against the monarchy there; seems as
>if Russians in the UFverse just can't resist the siren song of Lenin

Novaya Rodina has a neo-Soviet government, yes, after a coup in the 2300s. That's mainly to facilitate Maria Tachibana's origin story; in the original Sakura Taisen, which is set in the 1920s, she's a White Russian exile.

As for the RFNSR, Neo-Socialism bears little resemblance to Marxism-Leninism or Stalinism. As political systems go, it's more like what they have in Canada. :)

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fb111a
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7. "RE: background/character music"
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   Have you picked out national anthems for Salusia and Zardon?


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8. "RE: background/character music"
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   >Have you picked out national anthems for Salusia and Zardon?

No.

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9. "RE: background/character music"
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   I bet the Klendathu drop music from Starship Troopers would probably make a nice Zardon anthem.

(Why do the cheesiest movies get some of the best music?)

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10. "RE: background/character music"
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   >I bet the Klendathu drop music from Starship Troopers would probably
>make a nice Zardon anthem.

'Song 2' by Blur?

please note, that's both rhetorical *and* me being a smartass


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11. "RE: background/character music"
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   >I bet the Klendathu drop music from Starship Troopers would probably
>make a nice Zardon anthem.

Unknown. I haven't seen the film and I won't be researching this matter. My interest in these things goes only so far.

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Meagen
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12. "RE: background/character music"
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   >>I bet the Klendathu drop music from Starship Troopers would probably
>>make a nice Zardon anthem.
>
>Unknown. I haven't seen the film and I won't be researching this
>matter. My interest in these things goes only so far.
>

Well, you *might* have heard a bit of music somewhere and idly thought, "Hm, that would make a great anthem for Salusia/Zardon/Ice Planet Halloran V". We don't know unless we ask. We honestly don't expect there to be an answer *every* time.

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