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Peter Eng
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"Alan Moore on Watchmen..."
 
   LAST EDITED ON Jul-27-06 AT 03:39 PM (EDT)
 
From the Onion AV Club interview:

"I think that what a lot of people saw when they read Watchmen was a high degree of violence, a bleaker and more pessimistic political perspective, perhaps a bit more sex, more swearing. And to some degree there has been, in the 15 years since Watchmen, an awful lot of the comics field devoted to these very grim, pessimistic, nasty, violent stories which kind of use Watchmen to validate what are, in effect, often just some very nasty stories that don't have a lot to recommend them."
"And some of them are very pretentious, where they'll try and grab some sort of intellectual gloss for what they're doing by referring to a few song titles, or the odd book. They'll name-drop William Burroughs here or there. Just like MAD comics, which was a unique standalone thing, it's almost become a genre. The gritty, deconstructivist postmodern superhero comic, as exemplified by Watchmen, also became a genre. It was never meant to. It was meant to be one work on its own."
"I think, to that degree, it may have had a deleterious effect upon the medium since then. I'd have liked to have seen more people trying to do something that was as technically complex as Watchmen, or as ambitious, but which wasn't strumming the same chords that Watchmen had strummed so repetitively. This is not to say that the entire industry became like this, but at least a big enough chunk of it did that it is a noticeable thing."
"The apocalyptic bleakness of comics over the past 15 years sometimes seems odd to me, because it's like that was a bad mood that I was in 15 years ago. It was the 1980s, we'd got this insane right-wing voter fear running the country, and I was in a bad mood, politically and socially and in most other ways. So that tended to reflect in my work. But it was a genuine bad mood, and it was mine. I tend to think that I've seen a lot of things over the past 15 years that have been a bizarre echo of somebody else's bad mood. It's not even their bad mood, it's mine, but they're still working out the ramifications of me being a bit grumpy 15 years ago."

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(I broke it up into paragraphs for readability - this is actually one long comment.)


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  Subject     Author     Message Date     ID  
  RE: Alan Moore on Watchmen... Ardaniel Jul-29-06 1
     RE: Alan Moore on Watchmen... Peter Eng Jul-30-06 2
         RE: Alan Moore on Watchmen... Ardaniel Jul-30-06 3
             RE: Alan Moore on Watchmen... StaticdashPulse Jul-30-06 4
                 RE: Alan Moore on Watchmen... Polychrome Jul-30-06 5
                     RE: Alan Moore on Watchmen... Ardaniel Jul-30-06 6
                         RE: Alan Moore on Watchmen... StaticdashPulse Jul-31-06 8
                             RE: Alan Moore on Watchmen... Ardaniel Jul-31-06 11
                                 RE: Alan Moore on Watchmen... StaticdashPulse Jul-31-06 13
                                     RE: Alan Moore on Watchmen... Ardaniel Jul-31-06 14
  RE: Alan Moore on Watchmen... Gryphonadmin Jul-30-06 7
     RE: Alan Moore on Watchmen... Peter Eng Jul-31-06 9
         RE: Alan Moore on Watchmen... Polychrome Jul-31-06 10
         RE: Alan Moore on Watchmen... ratinoxteam Jul-31-06 12
             RE: Alan Moore on Watchmen... Moonsword Jul-31-06 15
                 RE: Alan Moore on Watchmen... Gryphonadmin Jul-31-06 16
                     RE: Alan Moore on Watchmen... Star Ranger4 Aug-05-06 17
                     RE: Alan Moore on Watchmen... Moonsword Aug-07-06 18

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Ardaniel
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Jul-29-06, 05:25 PM (EDT)
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1. "RE: Alan Moore on Watchmen..."
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   "I don't hate funny comics. What I hate is comics that don't sell!"

--Dan "Dark Emperor" DiDio, Comic Shop News this week

Ard Sumhenner
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Peter Eng
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2. "RE: Alan Moore on Watchmen..."
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   >"I don't hate funny comics. What I hate is comics that don't
>sell!
"
>
>--Dan "Dark Emperor" DiDio, Comic Shop News this week
>
>Ard Sumhenner
>that Janice chick
>Usual Suspect and general menace

Great. Now I'm feeling even more marginalized.

Peter Eng
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Ardaniel
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Jul-30-06, 03:29 AM (EDT)
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3. "RE: Alan Moore on Watchmen..."
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   Mmm.

You know, all this Crisis shit was intended to bring back the Silver Age shininess to the DCU.

And then, suddenly, it didn't do that at all. Gee, I wonder if the above quote has anything to do with that.

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StaticdashPulse
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4. "RE: Alan Moore on Watchmen..."
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   LAST EDITED ON Dec-21-11 AT 03:11 PM (EST)
 
Fans love the angst.


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5. "RE: Alan Moore on Watchmen..."
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   >Fans love the angst.

No, we don't.

Polychrome


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Ardaniel
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6. "RE: Alan Moore on Watchmen..."
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   >>Fans love the angst.
>
>No, we don't.

I dunno if we all somehow landed the hell outside DiDio's target demographic or *what.* Wedge and I were discussing this earlier, and all we can figure is that 25-and-up is not in DC's game plan.

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StaticdashPulse
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8. "RE: Alan Moore on Watchmen..."
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   LAST EDITED ON Dec-21-11 AT 03:11 PM (EST)
 
>I dunno if we all somehow landed the hell outside DiDio's target
>demographic or *what.* Wedge and I were discussing this earlier, and
>all we can figure is that 25-and-up is not in DC's game plan.

You say that, but what age group is out there buying six-figures worth of Infinite Crapfest and Civil Wank? If it's 12-16 boys, I'll eat my Hamtaro hat.


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Ardaniel
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11. "RE: Alan Moore on Watchmen..."
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   Various articles about product placements in comics (get ready for THAT, too, by God) mention the "coveted 18-to-34 male demographic."

I'm guessing it's the emo 18-to-24s buying up all the DC wank they can stand. I can't really comment on Civil War because I'm not sure *Marvel* knows what the fuck it's doing. As a Dark Emperor, Quesada's more of a Dark Helmet type than DiDio's weirdly-inappropriate-but-badass Sith.

Ard Sumhenner
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StaticdashPulse
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13. "RE: Alan Moore on Watchmen..."
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   LAST EDITED ON Dec-21-11 AT 03:12 PM (EST)
 
I honestly find the 18-to-24 number surprising, given that almost every person I've ever seen in a comic book shop (who wasn't buying Yu-Gi-Oh cards) in the last two years was older tham me (and I'm 27 as of this month). Maybe I'm just bad a guaging ages...

I still find it a surprising number.


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Ardaniel
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14. "RE: Alan Moore on Watchmen..."
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   LAST EDITED ON Jul-31-06 AT 07:39 PM (EDT)
 
It might depend on your shop, too. There are *no* kids and *no* college-age kids at my local; the college kids go to Jay and Silent Bob's Secret Stash in Westwood, conveniently located within walking distance of UCLA, and the adults at my local buy their kids' books at the same time as they buy their own pull, which is usually "10am on Wednesdays."

Then again, I think I was the only 10-year-old at my local in 1986 in Massachusetts, too. Go fig.

ETA: My shop also doesn't deal in RPG supplements or trading cards. These two items invariably skew the demographics.

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7. "RE: Alan Moore on Watchmen..."
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   As the poet said, "You can't shake the devil's hand and say you're only kidding."

--G.
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Peter Eng
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9. "RE: Alan Moore on Watchmen..."
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   Reading between the lines, I think Moore's saying, "I had a bad mood, I wrote a miniseries, and I think that screwed up comics for the next twenty-plus years."

Peter Eng
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Polychrome
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10. "RE: Alan Moore on Watchmen..."
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   Yeah, and saying "Oops, my bad." doesn't really cut it.

Polychrome


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12. "RE: Alan Moore on Watchmen..."
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   >Reading between the lines, I think Moore's saying, "I had a bad mood,
>I wrote a miniseries, and I think that screwed up comics for the next
>twenty-plus years."

Alan Moore is to comics as Hideaki Anno is to anime.

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Rat
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Moonsword
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15. "RE: Alan Moore on Watchmen..."
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   So what we need to do make it enjoyable is to lock Gryphon in a small room with a computer, a chemical toilet, a copy of Infinite Crisis, and an infinite supply of Mountain Dew and not let him out until he produces Infinite Exodus?


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16. "RE: Alan Moore on Watchmen..."
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   >So what we need to do make it enjoyable is to lock Gryphon in a small
>room with a computer, a chemical toilet, a copy of Infinite Crisis,
>and an infinite supply of Mountain Dew and not let him out until he
>produces Infinite Exodus?

Don't try it. I'll pretend to have produced it, then shank you with a meat fork when you let me out.

--G.
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17. "RE: Alan Moore on Watchmen..."
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   >Don't try it. I'll pretend to have produced it, then shank you with a
>meat fork when you let me out.
>
Whew. Besides, I'd rather see you inspired to produce more UF goodness than be tortured into that sysiphian task.

Of COURSE you wernt
expecting it!
No One expects the
FANNISH INQUISITION!

RCW# 86


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Moonsword
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18. "RE: Alan Moore on Watchmen..."
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   *bursts out laughing*

Thanks, that just made my day, Gryphon. You should use that line in a story sometime.

*continues snickering*


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