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"Interlude in the Golden City in A"
 
   Verrry Nice. I have to like how Skuld got Urd to stay out of the relationship.

The biggest question is of course, how long are those two going to keep trying to deny it? With every passing day, the bonds between Corwin and Utena are growing stronger, and I doubt that anything is going to change that.

Corwin actually started to fade out of existance? That's a scary thought. But it is an example of just how powerful Utena can become. I mean, Urd believed that even all three sisters might not have been able to bring him back. Freaky.

Meeting the Valkyries was good for a laugh, especially when Corwin mentioned the betting on who'd be the first to make a man out of him.

The new and improved World Engine was good, although I have to ask; Were the improvements made during the repairs, or after reality had been saved?

So, Corwin's test will come at the end of the current school year. With Nall going with him, that seems to cancel out the chance of it being him and Utena.

And of course, the kiss. As good as the last one, although at least Corwin will remember it this time. But I really wish they'd stop denying it.

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1. "RE: Interlude in the Golden City in A"
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   >The biggest question is of course, how long are those two going to
>keep trying to deny it? With every passing day, the bonds between
>Corwin and Utena are growing stronger, and I doubt that anything is
>going to change that.

Youth makes people capable of amazing things. Especially denial.

>So, Corwin's test will come at the end of the current school year.
>With Nall going with him, that seems to cancel out the chance of it
>being him and Utena.

His plan is to have Nall go with him. Plans can change though, especially if his trial and Utena's quest happen to coincide. Alternately, he could try and complete the quest for her (if it happens to be his trial), and many hijenks could follow.

I found the part about the World Engine praying for the continued existance of the 9 worlds particular interesting, it ties together nicely with some of what we know of the 10th world.

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2. "RE: Interlude in the Golden City in A"
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   >Verrry Nice. I have to like how Skuld got Urd to stay out of the
>relationship.

Nothing less would have worked, I think I think.

>The biggest question is of course, how long are those two going to
>keep trying to deny it? With every passing day, the bonds between
>Corwin and Utena are growing stronger, and I doubt that anything is
>going to change that.

I'm going to save the Big G the trouble and say: Das ist ein Geheimnis.

>Corwin actually started to fade out of existance? That's a scary
>thought. But it is an example of just how powerful Utena can become. I
>mean, Urd believed that even all three sisters might not have been
>able to bring him back. Freaky.

Well, the Prince of Cepherio seems to fill, insofar as I can see, a similar role to the Allfather.

Given that, I am not in the least surprised.

>Meeting the Valkyries was good for a laugh, especially when Corwin
>mentioned the betting on who'd be the first to make a man out of him.

Mweh. Heh. Heh. And, we're going to be seeing more of Vigdis, which is kewl, as she's a cool character.

*Jinnai-esqe laugh* Now, watch as the triangle becomes EVEN! MORE! COMPLEX!!!
*Very big Jinnai-esqe laugh*

>So, Corwin's test will come at the end of the current school year.
>With Nall going with him, that seems to cancel out the chance of it
>being him and Utena.

Well, given that we already know that Nall can be invoked, it's not surprising that he has a demi-god status of his own, and thus needs to pass his own Trial.

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7. "RE: Interlude in the Golden City in A"
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   >Mweh. Heh. Heh. And, we're going to be seeing more of Vigdis, which is
>kewl, as she's a cool character.

Heh. About a third of my motivation to get this done as soon as I did was because I wanted to introduce Vee. She's a fun character.

(Does anyone know how that name is supposed to be pronounced? I doubt it's actually "VIG-dis"; I've been told "VEE-dis", but that doesn't seem right, it's a G, not a J. Any Vikings in the house?)

>Well, given that we already know that Nall can be invoked, it's not
>surprising that he has a demi-god status of his own, and thus needs to
>pass his own Trial.

The dragons of Alfheim are divinities of a sort, not unlike the Vanir; they're subordinate to the Aesir in terms of the governance of the Upper Worlds (Asgard, Alfheim, and Vanaheim), though individually there are some Great Dragons who have more personal power than some Aesir.

The alliance between the Great Dragons of Alfheim and the Aesir is a relatively new thing, forged in the wake of the Ragnarok; before then, the gods and the dragons weren't enemies, but they tended to avoid contact. So Nall is something of an ambassador...

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11. "RE: Interlude in the Golden City in A"
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   >(Does anyone know how that name is supposed to be pronounced? I doubt
>it's actually "VIG-dis"; I've been told "VEE-dis", but that doesn't
>seem right, it's a G, not a J. Any Vikings in the house?)

From what LITTLE I remember, I think it's "VY-dis".

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36. "RE: Interlude in the Golden City in A"
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   Pretty accurate. I'd say 'vyeh-DIS,' but with duration instead of volume for the stress. Try to get through "vig" as fast as possible, but don't do "dis" too slowly or she'll think you're making fun of her.

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40. "RE: Interlude in the Golden City in A"
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   >(Does anyone know how that name is supposed to be pronounced? I doubt
>it's actually "VIG-dis"; I've been told "VEE-dis", but that doesn't
>seem right, it's a G, not a J. Any Vikings in the house?)

*wave*

I asked my mother, who is a native Danish speaker, and she said something which sounded vaguely like VYY-dis, but at the end of the VYY there was a very faint "g" sound in the back of the throat.

...Gah. Danish is one of those languages that is guaranteed to get your larynx wrapped around your ears.

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45. "RE: Interlude in the Golden City in A"
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   >>Mweh. Heh. Heh. And, we're going to be seeing more of Vigdis, which is
>>kewl, as she's a cool character.
>
>Heh. About a third of my motivation to get this done as soon as I did
>was because I wanted to introduce Vee. She's a fun character.

I hope she remains fun. Her final comments left me with the feeling that she's going to be a cross between Hikaru Hiyama and Xenia (a dangerous pain in the butt)


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51. "RE: Interlude in the Golden City in A"
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   >Heh. About a third of my motivation to get this done as soon as I did
>was because I wanted to introduce Vee. She's a fun character.
>
>(Does anyone know how that name is supposed to be pronounced? I doubt
>it's actually "VIG-dis"; I've been told "VEE-dis", but that doesn't
>seem right, it's a G, not a J. Any Vikings in the house?)

Well, Viking I don't know about, but...I'm Swedish, and with a vrey great interest in eally ANYthing old norse. So, I'll say that it IS VIG-dis, at least from what I know. Now, this could vary in Norway and Iceland, for all I know, but this is what I know.


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58. "RE: Interlude in the Golden City in A"
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   >(Does anyone know how that name is supposed to be pronounced? I doubt
>it's actually "VIG-dis"; I've been told "VEE-dis", but that doesn't
>seem right, it's a G, not a J. Any Vikings in the house?)

Well, given that I'm Norwegian and have just finished a course on Viking
pronounciation, I believe that I'm no authority whatsoever, but I'm fairly
sure it's supposed to be pronounced VIG-diss. Or somethig fairly close.
(That is, both i's should be short)


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3. "RE: Interlude in the Golden City in A"
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   >Verrry Nice. I have to like how Skuld got Urd to stay out of the
>relationship.

Although Urd happens to agree with her, and likely would have stayed out of the way anyway.

>The biggest question is of course, how long are those two going to
>keep trying to deny it?

Corwin's not denying it, per se; he already told Utena how he feels about her. Utena, however, is having a very hard time dealing with how strongly she feels about him, and so she's in denial about it. Note that she doesn't specifically refute how she feels about him; she just repeats that she's engaged. So Corwin just agrees with her.

>So, Corwin's test will come at the end of the current school year.
>With Nall going with him, that seems to cancel out the chance of it
>being him and Utena.

Yes, it does, doesn't it? ^_^

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4. "RE: Interlude in the Golden City in A"
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   >>The biggest question is of course, how long are those two going to
>>keep trying to deny it?
>
>Corwin's not denying it, per se; he already told Utena how he feels
>about her. Utena, however, is having a very hard time dealing with
>how strongly she feels about him, and so she's in denial about it.
>Note that she doesn't specifically refute how she feels about him; she
>just repeats that she's engaged. So Corwin just agrees with her.

Not quite. Corwin is in an interesting position; He's obviously deeply in love with Utena beyond just mere physical apperance, which says alot. He loves her to the point where he wants to see her happy, no matter the cost, even if it means sacrificing his own happiness in the process. Right now, as far as he's concerned, her happiness depends on dispelling old ghosts of Ohtori Acadamy and getting her princess back; he doesn't fit much into the equation, dispite his feelings for her. So it's not quite a case of Corwin merely agreeing with her, but somewhat similar...

Atleast they havent fallen into the trap of 'Oh he/she couldn't *possibly* love me', which I've seen happen to a great many people...

They both know there's *something* between them, yet they both acknowledge(Or, rather, they both *think*) they'll have to give it up when they get Anthy and Utena back together.

It'll be nice to see them both proved wrong. ^_-

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6. "RE: Interlude in the Golden City in A"
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   >Note that she doesn't specifically refute how she feels about him;

In fact, at one point in Golden City, if you look carefully, she almost says it; but he, perhaps realizing what it would cost her, prevents her from doing so, allowing them to leave the moment behind and go back to something like their old equilibrium the next day.

In a strange way, Corwin doesn't want to succeed almost as much as he wishes he could, because he believes it would destroy something that he feels he has no right to destroy.

Not that he's ever thought any of this out consciously, mind you; but it's there.

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12. "RE: Interlude in the Golden City in A"
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   >>Note that she doesn't specifically refute how she feels about him;
>
>In fact, at one point in Golden City, if you look carefully,
>she almost says it; but he, perhaps realizing what it would cost her,
>prevents her from doing so, allowing them to leave the moment behind
>and go back to something like their old equilibrium the next day.
>
>In a strange way, Corwin doesn't want to succeed almost as much
>as he wishes he could, because he believes it would destroy something
>that he feels he has no right to destroy.

Pretty much what I was trying to say. When Corwin first told Utena how he felt about her, back in Bancroft Tower, she most pointedly didn't say that she didn't want to go down that road with him; she said, "I'm engaged." She has never, ever directly stated that she doesn't feel that way about him, and has admitted it to herself, though not to anyone else. Her commitment to Anthy comes first; Corwin respects that, and when she told him she was engaged to Anthy, he knew that he couldn't pursue it any further, out of respect to Anthy. Yet both of them are clueful enough to know, at least subconsciously, that a balance is possible; both of them readily envision Anthy become a part of both their lives, envision Corwin showing Anthy all the things he's shown Utena, but they both stop short of imagining the next step.

Denying that Utena is Corwin's girlfriend is accurate; they're not together like that; at least, not yet. Yet, neither is the presumption without merit, or entirely wrong. But taking things between them to the next level, without first resolving Anthy, would be a betrayal of what's between Utena and Anthy, and if Utena were willing to do that, she wouldn't be the woman Corwin has fallen in love with.

That's not to say that there isn't a third option, but I don't see it yet ^_^.

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14. "RE: Interlude in the Golden City in A"
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   LAST EDITED ON Dec-14-01 AT 01:42 AM (EST) by Gryphon (admin)

(repaired irritating broken markup. --G.)

>Denying that Utena is Corwin's girlfriend is accurate; they're not
>together like that; at least, not yet. Yet, neither is the
>presumption without merit, or entirely wrong. But taking things
>between them to the next level, without first resolving Anthy, would
>be a betrayal of what's between Utena and Anthy, and if Utena were
>willing to do that, she wouldn't be the woman Corwin has fallen in
>love with.
>
>That's not to say that there isn't a third option, but I don't see it
>yet.

The third option is simple but no particularly enjoyable for either Corwin or Utena. Not to mention the readers.... That option is maintaining the current situation until Anthy joins them or until it is no longer feasible to not do anything. That means Corwin and Utena would still be on eggshells about what exactly their relationship is compared to what they'd like it to be.

Why it would become unfeasible to retain the status quo, I don't know...but one of the universal constants seems to be that emotions rarely do as they are told. As to what they'd do, that's up the the author(s).

It's been mentioned here before but there do exist successful examples of love-triangles in UF. UF-Zoner/Yuri/R-Type and UF-Gryph/Kei/Skuld. Maybe Corwin and Uena should give it a shot. Hell, in Reflections, I think, Skuld said as much.

Anyway, I'm single, what do I know? *grin*

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15. "RE: Interlude in the Golden City in A"
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>It's been mentioned here before but there do exist successful examples
>of love-triangles in UF. UF-Zoner/Yuri/R-Type and
>UF-Gryph/Kei/Skuld. Maybe Corwin and Uena should give it a shot.
>Hell, in Reflections, I think, Skuld said as much.

Could happen, or not.

>Anyway, I'm single, what do I know? *grin*

What's so bad about that? I've been single my entire life....


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19. "RE: Interlude in the Golden City in A"
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   >>It's been mentioned here before but there do exist successful examples
>>of love-triangles in UF. UF-Zoner/Yuri/R-Type and
>>UF-Gryph/Kei/Skuld. Maybe Corwin and Uena should give it a shot.
>>Hell, in Reflections, I think, Skuld said as much.
>
>Could happen, or not.

Yeah, that's pretty much my take on it, 'cause Gryph's done some things with the plotlines that I personally hadn't considered and the stories continue to be excellent...

>>Anyway, I'm single, what do I know? *grin*
>
>What's so bad about that? I've been single my entire life....

"Women, can't live with them, can't sell them for parts" (Thank you Mr. Schroeck!)

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41. "RE: Interlude in the Golden City in A"
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   >"Women, can't live with them, can't sell them for parts" (Thank you
>Mr. Schroeck!)

Huh? Me? How? Where?

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42. "RE: Interlude in the Golden City in A"
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>>"Women, can't live with them, can't sell them for parts" (Thank you
>>Mr. Schroeck!)
>
>Huh? Me? How? Where?

Something LT/Lisa said in Chapter 5 or 6 of DW2.

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49. "RE: Interlude in the Golden City in A"
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   >>>"Women, can't live with them, can't sell them for parts" (Thank you
>>>Mr. Schroeck!)
>>Huh? Me? How? Where?
>Something LT/Lisa said in Chapter 5 or 6 of DW2.

You are mistaken. No one says anything like that... and if they did, I'd be quoting someone else, anyway; the line is far from original with me.

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52. "RE: Interlude in the Golden City in A"
In response to message #49
 
   >>>>"Women, can't live with them, can't sell them for parts" (Thank you
>>>>Mr. Schroeck!)
>>>Huh? Me? How? Where?
>>Something LT/Lisa said in Chapter 5 or 6 of DW2.
>
>You are mistaken. No one says anything like that... and if they did,
>I'd be quoting someone else, anyway; the line is far from original
>with me.

Utena says it in Interlude in the Golden City in A. Or rather, Utena and Corwin say it sort of collectively. I've no idea if it's original to the Eyrie, but I'd be inclined to think it isn't.

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53. "RE: Interlude in the Golden City in A"
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   >>>>>"Women, can't live with them, can't sell them for parts"
>
>Utena says it in Interlude in the Golden City in A. Or rather,
>Utena and Corwin say it sort of collectively. I've no idea if it's
>original to the Eyrie, but I'd be inclined to think it isn't.

Nah, it's an old saying. I think I first heard it from my grandfather.

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54. "RE: Interlude in the Golden City in A"
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   >You are mistaken. No one says anything like that... and if they did,
>I'd be quoting someone else, anyway; the line is far from original
>with me.

My apologies, then. It seems finals fried more of my brain than I first thought. Never again shall I stay up 37 hours straight.

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55. "RE: Interlude in the Golden City in A"
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   > Never again shall I stay up 37 hours straight.

Then don't work in security.

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56. "RE: Interlude in the Golden City in A"
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   >> Never again shall I stay up 37 hours straight.
>
>Then don't work in security.
>
>Pangaro, A gun, a knife and lack of sleep...

Hmm, scary mental image that....

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57. "RE: Interlude in the Golden City in A"
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   >>> Never again shall I stay up 37 hours straight.
>>
>>Then don't work in security.
>>
>>Pangaro, A gun, a knife and lack of sleep...
>
>Hmm, scary mental image that....

It's common when your hours are shifted every week.

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16. "RE: Interlude in the Golden City in A"
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   >The third option is simple but no particularly enjoyable for either
>Corwin or Utena. Not to mention the readers.... That option is
>maintaining the current situation until Anthy joins them or until it
>is no longer feasible to not do anything. That means Corwin and Utena
>would still be on eggshells about what exactly their relationship
>is compared to what they'd like it to be.

... Actually, that's the first option in my mind, and the one they're trying to stick with. Be friends, very close friends, but not lovers. Not boyfriend/girlfriend. Not try to resolve anything between them until Utena first resolves things with Anthy.

The second option would be to initiate a relationship. As I've said, this isn't really a viable option, as it'd be contrary to Utena's ethics and morals in her personal relationships, and Corwin wouldn't want to destroy what's between Utena and Anthy for his own ends.

>It's been mentioned here before but there do exist successful examples
>of love-triangles in UF. UF-Zoner/Yuri/R-Type and
>UF-Gryph/Kei/Skuld. Maybe Corwin and Uena should give it a shot.
>Hell, in Reflections, I think, Skuld said as much.

UF-Gryph/Kei/Skuld aren't really a triangle; that part of it was pretty much a one-time thing, though, obviously, Skuld is a part of the Hutchins family, as are her sisters; Gryph's children by Kei call the Norns their aunts, after all :). As for UF-Zoner/Yuri/R-Type, that's an example of an apparently stable triangle, and there's also Rina/Amanda/Devlin, though both haven't been triangles for very long as the participants measure things. Still, I'm fairly certain that the Amanda/Devlin/Rina triad isn't going to split up (though one must wonder if Devlin is going to be father to the next generation of Dragonaars, and, if so, if they'll have the same relationships with the next generation of Desslers that the current ones do... though, on Gamilon, that's apparently not that unusual), and the Zoner/Yuri/R-Type triangle seems stable as well, though it's of a different nature than that between Amanda, Devlin, and Rina. I can't predict whether or not Corwin and Anthy will bond in the same way, but it's hardly impossible.

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20. "RE: Interlude in the Golden City in A"
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   > I can't
>predict whether or not Corwin and Anthy will bond in the same way, but
>it's hardly impossible.

Potential issue: it was noted previously that Anthy's mother had strange facial markings, is no longer in Cephiro, and sung to her 'in the old tongue'. Also, it was noted by Utena that Urd looked remarkably like Anthy. This COULD just be coincidence, or red herring, but if it isn't, I doubt Corwin and Anthy would be quite the same as Devlin and Rina.

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21. "RE: Interlude in the Golden City in A"
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   >> I can't
>>predict whether or not Corwin and Anthy will bond in the same way, but
>>it's hardly impossible.
>
>Potential issue: it was noted previously that Anthy's mother had
>strange facial markings, is no longer in Cephiro, and sung to her 'in
>the old tongue'. Also, it was noted by Utena that Urd looked
>remarkably like Anthy. This COULD just be coincidence, or red herring,
>but if it isn't, I doubt Corwin and Anthy would be quite the same as
>Devlin and Rina.

Well, it's also revealed that Skuld is included on the Valkyrie's 'Make A Man Out Of Corwin' list, too, so...

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24. "RE: Interlude in the Golden City in A"
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   >Well, it's also revealed that Skuld is included on the Valkyrie's
>'Make A Man Out Of Corwin' list, too, so...

More implied than "revealed," honestly.

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31. "RE: Interlude in the Golden City in A"
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   >>Well, it's also revealed that Skuld is included on the Valkyrie's
>>'Make A Man Out Of Corwin' list, too, so...
>
>More implied than "revealed," honestly.

Well, I'll reveal it here, then, because I think it's fun. She is, in fact, on the board, but at fairly long odds. The current frontrunner is Brunnhilde Silverspear, mainly because she's the one running the pool and, as such, cheats. :) After her, statistically, are Lenneth Winternight (the fellow techie sympathy effect accounted for) and Vigdis Brightblade just for sheer stubbornness. Last at 115:1 is Gudrun Truemace, who has no interest in men, even Corwin. :)

Skuld herself declines to comment on the situation, saying only that internal shenanigans like this are harmless and good for morale. :)

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25. "RE: Interlude in the Golden City in A"
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   >Well, it's also revealed that Skuld is included on the Valkyrie's
>'Make A Man Out Of Corwin' list, too, so...
>
For once, all of the voices in my head agree that this is disturbing.

That has never happened before....


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29. "RE: Interlude in the Golden City in A"
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>>Well, it's also revealed that Skuld is included on the Valkyrie's
>>'Make A Man Out Of Corwin' list, too, so...
>>
>For once, all of the voices in my head agree that this is disturbing.

I'm right there with ya. It's gotta be a joke, or maybe, it's just a radically different set of mores. Gods/Goddesses need not abide by the taboos of mortal society.

But, yeah, slightly disturbing.

Bodhi

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23. "RE: Interlude in the Golden City in A"
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   >Potential issue: it was noted previously that Anthy's mother had
>strange facial markings, is no longer in Cephiro, and sung to her 'in
>the old tongue'. Also, it was noted by Utena that Urd looked
>remarkably like Anthy. This COULD just be coincidence, or red herring,
>but if it isn't, I doubt Corwin and Anthy would be quite the same as
>Devlin and Rina.

It's not a red herring, but at the same time, I'm reluctant to interpret it that literally. After all, Utena also comments on Vigdis' resemblance to Juri; I wouldn't take that to mean that they're sisters. No, I think what we're seeing here is another layer to the relationship between Asgard and Cephiro (in addition to the marks mentioned; note that all of the Asgardians have them, not just the Norns). Also, consider the bit about seals and death, and the underscoring of its relationship to the Power of Dios. Cephireans are tied quite deeply to Asgard, somehow, but the exact relationship is unclear; many story elements and tidbits (the hints about Corwin's trial, the comment about "sending someone in to straighten out that Tenth world mess" (paraphrasing), Utena's observations about the striking similarities between Asgardians and Cephireans) have made this quite clear. The way that Utena's power has been dealt with strongly suggests that it's also tied to the powers of the Aesir. And even if Anthy is Corwin's first cousin (and I don't know about that, because Urd might be many things, but I don't think she'd abandon any children she had, especially if things happened to them as have happened to Dios/Akio and Anthy), I'm not sure that it would necessarily stand in the way. Such a thing might be glanced askance at on Earth, but when you start dealing with gods and demigods, the rules change a great deal.

This story may have been requested, directly or otherwise, by several people, but its quick appearance and the high density of metaplot tidbits makes me quite certain that Gryph had been planning something like this anyway ^_^.

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30. "RE: Interlude in the Golden City in A"
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   >even if Anthy is Corwin's first cousin (and I don't know about that,
>because Urd might be many things, but I don't think she'd abandon any
>children she had, especially if things happened to them as have
>happened to Dios/Akio and Anthy), I'm not sure that it would
>necessarily stand in the way.

I'm not confirming or denying anything here - that particular mystery is one I'm fond of and want to sustain for a while longer - but I feel behooved to point out that, if this were the case, Urd is actually Skuld's half-sister. They're both Odin's daughters, but by different wives. (This is even canon! It's revealed in Terrible Master Urd.) So, at worst, Anthy would in such a case be Corwin's half-first-cousin.

But I'm not saying if she is or isn't just yet. :)

>Such a thing might be glanced askance
>at on Earth, but when you start dealing with gods and demigods, the
>rules change a great deal.

Mm. After all, Urd's late ex-boyfriend Loki was the mother of her horse.

(No, really.)

>This story may have been requested, directly or otherwise, by several
>people, but its quick appearance and the high density of metaplot
>tidbits makes me quite certain that Gryph had been planning something
>like this anyway ^_^.

It's more a matter of my taking advantage of the opportunity to thrown down some early hints and spice things up a bit than my having had such a thing ready. Until Tuesday, when responses to Interlude in Zero-G started coming in, I actually had no plans to follow it up.

Fortunately, the pink-haired Muse had other ideas. :)

Which suits me, because the faster I get through this part of the timeline, the sooner I can get to the really good (IIDSSM) part that I've had brewing in my head since almost Day 1...

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35. "RE: Interlude in the Golden City in A"
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   >>even if Anthy is Corwin's first cousin (and I don't know about that,
>>because Urd might be many things, but I don't think she'd abandon any
>>children she had, especially if things happened to them as have
>>happened to Dios/Akio and Anthy), I'm not sure that it would
>>necessarily stand in the way.
>
>I'm not confirming or denying anything here - that particular mystery
>is one I'm fond of and want to sustain for a while longer - but I feel
>behooved to point out that, if this were the case, Urd is actually
>Skuld's half-sister. They're both Odin's daughters, but by
>different wives. (This is even canon! It's revealed in Terrible
>Master Urd
.) So, at worst, Anthy would in such a case be Corwin's
>half-first-cousin.
>
That's still a little close - most half-first-cousins I know (3 FYI) would be leery of fishing that close.

>>Such a thing might be glanced askance
>>at on Earth, but when you start dealing with gods and demigods, the
>>rules change a great deal.
>
>Mm. After all, Urd's late ex-boyfriend Loki was the mother of her
>horse.
>
>(No, really.)
>
Yeah, bet Zoner ain't too happy 'bout that - this was the guy who borrowed his boy for a while. Who knows where Loki parked it (well, apart from Loki of course)?

>It's more a matter of my taking advantage of the opportunity to thrown
>down some early hints and spice things up a bit than my having had
>such a thing ready. Until Tuesday, when responses to Interlude in
>Zero-G
started coming in, I actually had no plans to follow it up.
>
And here we are, 3 parts in 5 days. Woohoo!


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38. "RE: Interlude in the Golden City in A"
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   >Yeah, bet Zoner ain't too happy 'bout that - this was the guy who
>borrowed his boy for a while.

This really confused and disturbed me, until I realized it was just a typo. :)

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44. "RE: Interlude in the Golden City in A"
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   >>Yeah, bet Zoner ain't too happy 'bout that - this was the guy who
>>borrowed his boy for a while.
>
>This really confused and disturbed me, until I realized it was just a
>typo. :)

It is a typo and I find it disturbing either way.

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39. "RE: Interlude in the Golden City in A"
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   > <snippage>
>Cephireans are
>tied quite deeply to Asgard, somehow, but the exact relationship is
>unclear; many story elements and tidbits (the hints about Corwin's
>trial, the comment about "sending someone in to straighten out that
>Tenth world mess" (paraphrasing), Utena's observations about the
>striking similarities between Asgardians and Cephireans) have made
>this quite clear. The way that Utena's power has been dealt with
>strongly suggests that it's also tied to the powers of the Aesir.

as something of a tangent, we know that cephiro is tied to Yggdrasil in some truly funky ways. After all, in (IIRC) Movement 1, Cephiro is referred to as "The Tenth World"...

For those not familiar with Norse mythology (anyone, at this point? :) there are, originally, only 9 worlds. A question I posed, way back when, was "who grafted what onto Yggdrassil?"

That question still stands, but as Gryphon said, it's his favorite mystery...we'll find out when the appropriate part is released :)

My personal theory? well, if you remember when they were rebuilding the World Engine back in Twilight, Skuld was finding all sorts of random crud in the old code...I have to wonder if some of hte stuff she found/rearranged ended up being or causing-to-form the tenth world.



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46. "RE: Interlude in the Golden City in A"
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   >Cephireans are
>tied quite deeply to Asgard, somehow, but the exact relationship is
>unclear; many story elements and tidbits (the hints about Corwin's
>trial, the comment about "sending someone in to straighten out that
>Tenth world mess" (paraphrasing), Utena's observations about the
>striking similarities between Asgardians and Cephireans) have made
>this quite clear.

You and I have been thinking similar thoughts, not that that's worth anything. :)

I've also been thinking that the beautiful girl who wasn't really his type that Corwin dreamed about back in A Rose for the New Year is a Cephirean, too. Utena says she dreams about Anthy every night, and her power isn't locked down at that point (she'd just recently brought Miki over), and I think her dreams got into Corwin's dreams, and Corwin's mystery girl is Anthy.

Only time will tell, of course.


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47. "RE: Interlude in the Golden City in A"
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   >Only time will tell, of course.

I'd rather not have to deal with Time, he's the most annoying deity I've ever met...

Pangaro, and only the authors will tell...
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22. "RE: Interlude in the Golden City in A"
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   > (snippage). Still, I'm fairly certain that
>the Amanda/Devlin/Rina triad isn't going to split up (though one must
>wonder if Devlin is going to be father to the next generation of
>Dragonaars, and, if so, if they'll have the same relationships with
>the next generation of Desslers that the current ones do...

Now, there lies an interesting line of thought/conjecture. Rina isn't usually given to fishing that side of the river, by her own admission, but it does seem possible. Certainly would be a way to make life interesting for the Gamilon Royal Family.

Also seems like a good way to start another family war....Rina's kids angry because their brothers and/or sisters (Amanda's kids) are their responsibility to guard so they can one day assume reign. On the other hand...it might further cement the mutually protective relationship between the Desslors and Dragonaars--in general--and among Amanda/Devlin/Rina's combined offspring, specifically.

Poor Devlin.... I know many men who would be thrilled to have his "misfortune"

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26. "RE: Interlude in the Golden City in A"
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   >Now, there lies an interesting line of thought/conjecture. Rina isn't
>usually given to fishing that side of the river, by her own admission,
>but it does seem possible. Certainly would be a way to make life
>interesting for the Gamilon Royal Family.

Oh, there's no question that she's every bit as ...appreciative of Devlin as she is of Amanda. And she's stated, unequivocally, that she intends for her future children to protect the next generation of Desslers. See The Courtship of Princess Dessler.

>Also seems like a good way to start another family war....Rina's kids
>angry because their brothers and/or sisters (Amanda's kids) are their
>responsibility to guard so they can one day assume reign.

Not really. The Desslers would be continued through Amanda's offspring, while the Dragonaars would be through Rina's (or, arguably, Corimel's). Devlin may be Amanda's husband, but Amanda, and Amanda alone, will be Empress; Rina's kids wouldn't have any claim on the throne. Furthermore, I'm sure Rina would indoctrinate any children she had, even if they were by Devlin, into the Dragonaar family tradition of protecting and serving the royal line; they do take great pride in it, after all.

The "relationships" I was referring to are much more intimate than that; considering Garon and Amanda's (admittedly complex) relationship, I'd allow for that possibility, even if both Dessler and Dragonaar children call Devlin father :).

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33. "RE: Interlude in the Golden City in A"
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   >Oh, there's no question that she's every bit as ...appreciative of
>Devlin as she is of Amanda. And she's stated, unequivocally, that she
>intends for her future children to protect the next generation of
>Desslers. See The Courtship of Princess Dessler.

I'm aware of the reference and others made in Roses in Springtime. Just seems like Rina is making an exception for Devlin.

>>Also seems like a good way to start another family war....Rina's kids
>>angry because their brothers and/or sisters (Amanda's kids) are their
>>responsibility to guard so they can one day assume reign.
>
>Not really. The Desslers would be continued through Amanda's
>offspring, while the Dragonaars would be through Rina's (or, arguably,
>Corimel's). Devlin may be Amanda's husband, but Amanda, and Amanda
>alone, will be Empress; Rina's kids wouldn't have any claim on the
>throne. Furthermore, I'm sure Rina would indoctrinate any children
>she had, even if they were by Devlin, into the Dragonaar family
>tradition of protecting and serving the royal line; they do take great
>pride in it, after all.

Oh, without a doubt Rina's family takes the responsibility as a great honor. And doubtless, Rina would impress that fact upon any progeny she had with Devlin.

My point was that dissension within the Gamilon Royal arrangement--awkard wording, I know--can and does occur, look at Xenia. The possibilty is there, but as to its probability, that's not my call.

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32. "RE: Interlude in the Golden City in A"
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   >... Actually, that's the first option in my mind, and the one they're
>trying to stick with. Be friends, very close friends, but not lovers.
> Not boyfriend/girlfriend. Not try to resolve anything between them
>until Utena first resolves things with Anthy.

That's the basic plan, yeah.

>>It's been mentioned here before but there do exist successful examples
>>of love-triangles in UF. UF-Zoner/Yuri/R-Type and
>>UF-Gryph/Kei/Skuld. Maybe Corwin and Uena should give it a shot.

Sort of a moot point until Anthy's in the picture, though. If she were to take a dislike to Corwin for some reason (I know, it doesn't seem very likely, but), that would sort of put the cat among the pigeons, and presenting such a thing as a fait accompli is just not on.

>UF-Gryph/Kei/Skuld aren't really a triangle; that part of it was
>pretty much a one-time thing, though, obviously, Skuld is a part of
>the Hutchins family, as are her sisters; Gryph's children by Kei call
>the Norns their aunts, after all :).

Well, everybody calls Bell their aunt, so that's not much of a reach. Kate's the only one who regularly calls Urd or Skuld her aunt, because she's Corwin's wordsister under Asgardian law - which means they are her aunts. (Actually, that makes Skuld a second mother, but that gets confusing.)

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5. "RE: Interlude in the Golden City in A"
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   LAST EDITED ON Dec-14-01 AT 03:20 AM (EST)

>The biggest question is of course, how long are those two going to
>keep trying to deny it?

Well, as mentioned above, Corwin isn't exactly in denial; he's just resigned himself, as much as he can, to the fact that things aren't going to work out the way that he wishes they could, and decided, basically, to take what he can get and try to be grateful for even that much. (It's a situation I'm familiar with, which makes it easy for me to empathize with him - always a plus when a character gets himself into a corner.)

As for Utena, one of her defining characteristics is her loyalty, and she so doesn't want to be in a position where that loyalty is divided that she's bending a considerable amount of her will toward the task of not acknowledging that it might already be. But then, that's something that she can't resolve until she sees Anthy again, so she may as well not dwell on it right now anyway, if she can avoid it.

She's accepted, over the course of the summer, that she loves him; what she's still struggling with is how she loves him.

>The new and improved World Engine was good, although I have to ask;
>Were the improvements made during the repairs, or after reality had
>been saved?

Kind of a combination; Skuld made some improvements to the design during the reconstruction (why not, since they had to make everything from scratch anyway), and others have been incremented in during maintenance cycles. (Maintenance on a gigantic mechanical computer which runs all the time and is magically immune to entropy is kind of a funky process. :)

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8. "RE: Interlude in the Golden City in A"
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   Good story as always, of course, I don't personally think you have any bad stories on the site, but there is one thing that must be said: I think your spoiling us. Not that I'm complaining.


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9. "RE: Interlude in the Golden City in A"
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   >Good story as always, of course, I don't personally think you have any
>bad stories on the site, but there is one thing that must be said: I
>think your spoiling us. Not that I'm complaining.

Mm... well, it was a risk, but I wanted to get these out smartish. Don't expect another one on the fifteenth, though. The next bit in the queue, Blue Moon Serenade, is rather longer. :)

(Oh - and for the record, I do think I have some bad stories on the site. :)

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10. "RE: Interlude in the Golden City in A"
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   >Mm... well, it was a risk, but I wanted to get these out smartish.
>Don't expect another one on the fifteenth, though. The next bit in
>the queue, Blue Moon Serenade, is rather longer. :)

I look forward to it. Despite what some people might say, we are a very patient bunch around here, and besides, for you guys this is just a HOBBY.


>(Oh - and for the record, I do think I have some bad stories on
>the site. :)

Well then, guess I have a bad taste in writing...waitaminute, that came out wrong.

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34. "RE: Interlude in the Golden City in A"
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>I look forward to it. Despite what some people might say, we are a
>very patient bunch around here, and besides, for you guys this is just
>a HOBBY.

I agree with that, whoeheartedly. What EPU is and does is great. I know I'm not alone when I say: Thanks, to all the authors, both for writing the stories and fielding/tolerating the questions.

And I swore I wouldn't cry... *grin*

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48. "RE: Interlude in the Golden City in A"
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   >>Good story as always, of course, I don't personally think you have any
>>bad stories on the site, but there is one thing that must be said: I
>>think your spoiling us. Not that I'm complaining.
>
>Mm... well, it was a risk, but I wanted to get these out smartish.
>Don't expect another one on the fifteenth, though. The next bit in
>the queue, Blue Moon Serenade, is rather longer. :)
>
>(Oh - and for the record, I do think I have some bad stories on
>the site. :)

I don't... Just that some don't quite have the same level of superior writing that SOS does.

To me, bad is something along the lines of... well... Oscar. ::SHUDDER::


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50. "RE: Interlude in the Golden City in A"
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   >>(Oh - and for the record, I do think I have some bad stories on
>>the site. :)
>I don't... Just that some don't quite have the same level of superior
>writing that SOS does.
>To me, bad is something along the lines of... well... Oscar.
>::SHUDDER::

<nod> There are UF stories that are crudely done, but crude is quite different from bad, at least in my lexicon -- "crude" is a description of execution, where good ideas don't get an expression worthy of them. "Bad" is just... well... bad.

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13. "RE: Interlude in the Golden City in A"
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   I think my first thoughts on all of this are :Thank you... not just for finishing up what I felt was the second half of this story, but for keeping your usual high standards for it.

>Verrry Nice. I have to like how Skuld got Urd to stay out of the
>relationship.
>
Heh. Yeah. I can't help but wonder why Urd doesn't want Corwin to know she swore a blood oath, but whatever.

>The biggest question is of course, how long are those two going to
>keep trying to deny it? With every passing day, the bonds between
>Corwin and Utena are growing stronger, and I doubt that anything is
>going to change that.
>
I definatly agree. I've said it before, and I'll say it again: I keep having this vision of a triad.

>Meeting the Valkyries was good for a laugh, especially when Corwin
>mentioned the betting on who'd be the first to make a man out of him.
>
Not to mention the fact that A) Verdis seems to have a crush on him now, and b) Utena seems to be the frontrunner in 'the pool'.

>So, Corwin's test will come at the end of the current school year.
>With Nall going with him, that seems to cancel out the chance of it
>being him and Utena.
>
Only time, and Gryphon, will tell.

>And of course, the kiss. As good as the last one, although at least
>Corwin will remember it this time. But I really wish they'd stop
>denying it.
>
Just proof that those who think they know everything... Don't.


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17. "RE: Interlude in the Golden City in A"
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   >Heh. Yeah. I can't help but wonder why Urd doesn't want Corwin to
>know she swore a blood oath, but whatever.

Because she's Urd, and greatly enjoys tweaking her nephew ^_^.

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27. "RE: Interlude in the Golden City in A"
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   >>Heh. Yeah. I can't help but wonder why Urd doesn't want Corwin to
>>know she swore a blood oath, but whatever.
>
>Because she's Urd, and greatly enjoys tweaking her nephew ^_^.

Well, yeah, pretty much.

Actually, it's more that she doesn't want Corwin to know that his mother, who is the goddess of Tomorrow after all, is taking his situation so seriously that she'd make Urd, who for all her penchant for painintheassery is the goddess of Love after all, swear a blood oath to keep her nose to herself. If nothing else, it would make him uncomfortable, and there's a time for making people uncomfortable and a time for letting them alone. Urd has grown up some since the early Nekomi days. She understands the difference now.

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37. "RE: Interlude in the Golden City in A"
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   >>Meeting the Valkyries was good for a laugh, especially when Corwin
>>mentioned the betting on who'd be the first to make a man out of him.
>>
>Not to mention the fact that A) Verdis seems to have a crush on him
>now, and b) Utena seems to be the frontrunner in 'the pool'.

I have to wonder if our next view of that particular chalkboard will have Utena as the front-runner...

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59. "RE: Interlude in the Golden City in A"
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   >>Verrry Nice. I have to like how Skuld got Urd to stay out of the
>>relationship.
>>
>Heh. Yeah. I can't help but wonder why Urd doesn't want Corwin to
>know she swore a blood oath, but whatever.

Because /that/ would be informing Corwin that his mother is, to be blunt, Butting In On His Private Life - and even if he doesn't care /now/, he's going to be in the correct age-range for wanting his private life to remain /his/ business and nobody else's.

>Not to mention the fact that A) Verdis seems to have a crush on him
>now, and b) Utena seems to be the frontrunner in 'the pool'.

A) It's Vigdis...
B) Utena, last time I checked, wasn't one of the Valkyrie, so she /can't/ be part of 'the pool'.

>>So, Corwin's test will come at the end of the current school year.
>>With Nall going with him, that seems to cancel out the chance of it
>>being him and Utena.
>>
>Only time, and Gryphon, will tell.

I would think, though, that if his Test of Ascension is to go to the Tenth World, Nall might kick him and Utena around until they both agree that Utena goes with him.
Either that, or they'll do their best to drag Anthy back to the Nine Worlds with them. And maybe the Rune God of Iron.

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60. "RE: Interlude in the Golden City in A"
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   >I would think, though, that if his Test of Ascension is to go to the
>Tenth World, Nall might kick him and Utena around until they both
>agree that Utena goes with him.

If it is - and I'm not saying one way or the other - they won't have time; the petitioner doesn't learn what his Trial is until the day he leaves the Golden City to begin carrying it out. There's no time to do anything but grab your gear and git.

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62. "RE: Interlude in the Golden City in A"
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   >If it is - and I'm not saying one way or the other - they won't have
>time; the petitioner doesn't learn what his Trial is until the
>day he leaves the Golden City to begin carrying it out. There's no
>time to do anything but grab your gear and git.

Point taken; anything else might give him too much time to prepare. Although it'd seem a nice touch of Utena to go with him - a joint rescue of Anthy, in a way.
Still, not my story.
Love the way it's turning out, though.

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61. "RE: Interlude in the Golden City in A"
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   >>>Verrry Nice. I have to like how Skuld got Urd to stay out of the
>>>relationship.
>>>
>>Heh. Yeah. I can't help but wonder why Urd doesn't want Corwin to
>>know she swore a blood oath, but whatever.
>
>Because /that/ would be informing Corwin that his mother is, to be
>blunt, Butting In On His Private Life - and even if he doesn't care
>/now/, he's going to be in the correct age-range for wanting his
>private life to remain /his/ business and nobody else's.

There's also the aspect that the Norn of Tomorrow thinks his relationship is important enough that nobody should be mucking around with it... That kind of thing has a tendency to make people nervous...

>B) Utena, last time I checked, wasn't one of the Valkyrie, so she
>/can't/ be part of 'the pool'.

Several people, including IIRC Skuld, have said that she could be a Valkyrie if she wanted... Then there's the fact that she is clearly the front-runner on that bet...

>>>So, Corwin's test will come at the end of the current school year.
>>>With Nall going with him, that seems to cancel out the chance of it
>>>being him and Utena.
>>>
>>Only time, and Gryphon, will tell.
>
>I would think, though, that if his Test of Ascension is to go to the
>Tenth World, Nall might kick him and Utena around until they both
>agree that Utena goes with him.
>Either that, or they'll do their best to drag Anthy back to the Nine
>Worlds with them. And maybe the Rune God of Iron.

Don't know about the Rune God, but it seems likely, from various hints, that his Trial will involve Akio, Anthy and the 10th world... Being who he is, I've little doubt that he'll do his level best to get Anthy back to Utena if he has the chance...

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63. "RE: Interlude in the Golden City in A"
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   >
>Don't know about the Rune God, but it seems likely, from various
>hints, that his Trial will involve Akio, Anthy and the 10th world...
>Being who he is, I've little doubt that he'll do his level best to get
>Anthy back to Utena if he has the chance...
>

Not necessarily. He could be sent in to "wire up" the tenth world so that it can be tied in to the World-Engine's systems.

Granted, anything which is world-shaking in the tenth world is likely to draw attention from Akio Ohtori. But he isn't The Most Important Person In The Tenth World, no matter how much he would like to be.

On the other hand, I had this brief thought of Utena meeting Corwin in the tenth world, complete with the obligatory Fight Between The Heroes Before They Team Up...

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64. "RE: Interlude in the Golden City in A"
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>On the other hand, I had this brief thought of Utena meeting Corwin in
>the tenth world, complete with the obligatory Fight Between The Heroes
>Before They Team Up...

Utena? Or Anthy?
Just checking.

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>:)


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-Who wants to know how Utena'd get back to Cephiro, and why she'd fight with Corwin...


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Astynax
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65. "RE: Interlude in the Golden City in A"
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>-Who wants to know how Utena'd get back to Cephiro, and why she'd
>fight with Corwin...

Welp, Utena has shown she can travel across dimensions, and drag others across... really, she just <hehe, 'just', too small a word, but anyway> needs to learn to control her power, and she can, it would appear, take herself to Cephiro <whether or not it'd be a 'fun' or 'easy' ride is another matter>.

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66. "RE: Interlude in the Golden City in A"
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   >
>>On the other hand, I had this brief thought of Utena meeting Corwin in
>>the tenth world, complete with the obligatory Fight Between The Heroes
>>Before They Team Up...
>
>Utena? Or Anthy?
>

Utena.

>
>Just checking.
>
>>Peter Eng
>>--
>>There. I've just about guaranteed that that scene will never happen.
>>:)
>
>
>-Khirsah-
>-Who wants to know how Utena'd get back to Cephiro, and why she'd
>fight with Corwin...

Mistaken identity. Hair-trigger nerves. Etcetera. There's a ton of ways to arrange this sort of thing. Some of them are even good.

Peter Eng

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Astynax
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18. "RE: Interlude in the Golden City in A"
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   >And of course, the kiss. As good as the last one, although at least
>Corwin will remember it this time. But I really wish they'd stop
>denying it.
>

This has probably been said already buuut...

My 2 cents? Corwin is only 'denying' it for Utena's sake. He's even said that he'd want to date her, given the chance. He's not really denying anything by not calling her 'his girlfriend', he's just respecting her wishes <well, her conscious wishes>. As for Utena, she hasn't quite fathomed a way to be 'married' to the Rose Bride and still be a 'normal girl'. More than anything, I figure she needs a good long talk with Anthy, who may very well tell her 'go on and date the guy, it's obvious you love him'.

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28. "RE: Interlude in the Golden City in A"
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   >More than anything, I figure she needs a
>good long talk with Anthy,

At this point, she needs a good long talk with Anthy about a wide range of subjects...

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43. "RE: Interlude in the Golden City in A"
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   Wow, you're really spoiling us Gryph. ^_^

I especially liked the part about the bet on which Valkyrie will make Corwin a Real Man.

PS: It happened again! Gryphon, if you're using any satanic rituals to improve your writing or disturb the fabric of reality in any
other way, pleas stop it(the disturbing of riality not the writing)!

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