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"TIA #3 poster"
 
   LAST EDITED ON Jan-06-07 AT 10:08 PM (EST)
 
Art by John Staton, color (and the Mark II's design) by Phil Moyer, jiggery-pokery by me. Enjoy.

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1. "RE: TIA #3 poster"
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   Nifty! I see Iron Man has evolved beyond his Boiler Man stage.

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2. "RE: TIA #3 poster"
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   You know, there's just something inherently "right" about the idea of Iron Man fighting Boomers...it just clicks.

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3. "RE: TIA #3 poster"
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   >You know, there's just something inherently "right" about the idea of
>Iron Man fighting Boomers...it just clicks.
>
>"Duty then, is the sublimest word in the English language. You should
>do your duty in all things. You can not do more, you should never do
>less" - Gen Robert E. Lee, CSA

Of course. Haven't YOU seen parts of BGC (like, y'know, the parts with Largo) and thought to yourself, 'If I only had that effing Proton Cannon'?

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4. "RE: TIA #3 poster"
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   Ok, now I am pumped over the next story. Can't wait to see the Golden Avenger against a Buma. That left hand looks like it is in the perfect spot for a shot to the abdomen.

And I love the photographer credit. Is this post Scoop Chase Lisa?

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6. "RE: TIA #3 poster"
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   >And I love the photographer credit. Is this post Scoop Chase Lisa?
>
IIRC, canon Scoop Chase takes place in 2034, and assuming that not too much time has elasped since the previous story, we're still sitting in 2032.

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10. "RE: TIA #3 poster"
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   D'oh! I am so busted! :)

It's been a while since I've seen the source material and I totally forgot.

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5. "RE: TIA #3 poster"
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   Am I the only one seeing more than a little of the Heroes Return-to-Sentient Armor era Iron Man in that design? I think it's the 'light piping' effect.


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7. "RE: TIA #3 poster"
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   You're right - the light piping definently makes me think of that suit.

(But, right up until it decided to start killing people, I thought that suit looked awesome, so I'm pretty excited about issue #3...)

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8. "RE: TIA #3 poster"
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   Looks like a little Silver Centurion there too, with the shoulder plates.

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9. "RE: TIA #3 poster"
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   >Am I the only one seeing more than a little of the Heroes
>Return-to-Sentient Armor era Iron Man in that design? I think it's the
>'light piping' effect.

As you can probably tell from the image, TIA's Mark II Iron Man suit isn't supposed to be any particular one from the comics. It represents Phil's effort, with my guidance, to blend together the key elements that make Iron Man Iron Man with features and details that evoke the different technology base of the Iron Age universe.

For instance, you'll note that there's no anatomical-detail-revealing flexi-metal on it anywhere; like the Mark I, it's all plate armor. That's partly because the wearer isn't built like Mr. Universe and partly because of the native tech base - that kind of material hasn't been invented yet, and would be too expensive to make an entire suit out of even if it had. (In the TIA universe, my guess would be that it would have to be nano-assembled in microgravity, which means massive commitment of resources.)

You may notice some distinctive BGC-ish features, too, like the thruster vents on his calves (similar to those found on combat boomers), and if you look closely at his right fist, that's a knuckle blaster similar to those found on the Knight Sabers' hardsuits. Parts of the structure are similar in design as well - you can see the seam on his upper left arm where the plates, which spread for donning and storage like the thigh plates on Saber suits, join. The new design is meant to be much easier and quicker to put on and take off. (Phil even did diagrams of how that works, though obviously they weren't needed for an action shot like this.)

On the Iron Man side, the basic idea was to capture the modern Iron Man's key styling cues - the color scheme, the basic lines of his mask, his signature weapons - without directly copying any of the established suits from the comics. That said, we did pull in bits and pieces from a number of suits. Early in the process, Phil asked for references, and one of the ones I provided was the cover of Iron Man Vol. 3 No. ½, which is where the glowy yellow bits come from. That remains my favorite of the various designs they've used in the last ten years. We also looked at the version from the Under Construction story arc (Volume 3, issues 42 through 48, if you're keeping score at home), though not much of that ended up in the final design - mostly just its overall impression of bulk and mass, which owe as much to the BGC elements as anything else.

As an aside, watching Phil color this piece was an amusing exercise, because each of the various in-progress stages he presented for review was like a snapshot into the history of comics coloring. The flat-colored baseline version looked exactly like Marvel comics did in the late '80s, when they switched to a flexographic printing process, and the next version was very evocative of their early glossy-paper "hey, we got a copy of Photoshop" style; the one after that looked like modern Marvel comics, and the final version rather surpasses the current state of their art (to be fair, they don't have as much time to spend coloring whole books as was spent on this one frame). I joked that he should do one with dot half-shading, à la Silver Age comics, just to complete the set, and we'd present it as a Comics Through The Ages thing - but alas, he hadn't kept the interim versions anyway, and so the joke was lost.

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12. "RE: TIA #3 poster"
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   "As you can probably tell from the image, TIA's Mark II Iron Man suit isn't supposed to be any particular one from the comics. It represents Phil's effort, with my guidance, to blend together the key elements that make Iron Man Iron Man with features and details that evoke the different technology base of the Iron Age universe...You may notice some distinctive BGC-ish features, too"


Hmmm....I'm guessing a "War Machine" - style armor will make an appearance at some point then? That suit would work well visually against a backdrop of motoslaves and whatnot...

At least it's not the Silver and Red suit (couldn't ever get into it)...


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13. "RE: TIA #3 poster"
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   It certainly sounds like it was an interesting creative process. I applaude your efforts to distance your vision of Iron Man from Marvel's. In fact, I think I like it better - the full plate look suits it very well, and the shot of the Buma before Iron Man gives it a gut-check it will not soon forget is extremely pleasing.

Does this image figure into the story? If so, then I'm a bit curious about who took the photo, because I seriously doubt it was Ben Stark (unless he was using some sort of remote system). The only other thing I can thin of, and the most likely, would be some shutterbug who was in the right place at the right time. In that case... Wow, that must have been an adventure to write home about. Gryphon, I can hardly wait to read what you've been cooking up this time.


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14. "RE: TIA #3 poster"
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   >Does this image figure into the story? If so, then I'm a bit curious
>about who took the photo, because I seriously doubt it was Ben Stark

The poster itself identifies the photographer, right underneath the picture itself, just as one would expect of a picture within a (pseudo-)journalistic article. Further, earlier comments in this thread have already discussed said identity being that of a person recognizable from the source canon.

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21. "RE: TIA #3 poster"
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>The poster itself identifies the photographer, right underneath the
>picture itself, just as one would expect of a picture within a
>(pseudo-)journalistic article. Further, earlier comments in this
>thread have already discussed said identity being that of a person
>recognizable from the source canon.

Neh?
*Goes back to look.*
...
D'OH!


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11. "RE: TIA #3 poster"
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   LAST EDITED ON Dec-21-11 AT 03:36 PM (EST)
 
Sweet armor! I love the curves.


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15. "RE: TIA #3 poster"
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   My only problem with it, is that if the Buma knows anything about aikido, Iron Man is in for a very bad day. He's almost perfectly set up for juji garami, and with the forward momentum he's got going, that right shoulder joint is gonna be very unhappy.

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16. "RE: TIA #3 poster"
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   >My only problem with it, is that if the Buma knows anything about
>aikido, Iron Man is in for a very bad day. He's almost perfectly set
>up for juji garami, and with the forward momentum he's got going, that
>right shoulder joint is gonna be very unhappy.

Aikido seems a bit... 'nice' ...for a rampaging Buma. They tend to be red belts in Grr Smash Kill Fu, not so much in the more subtle martial arts and their techniques.

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17. "RE: TIA #3 poster"
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   I've always thought it was Godzilla-Fu: come for the challenge, stay for the rampaging chaos afterwards. :D

And if we're seeing the Mark II Modern Age IA... then I can't wait to see #3 soon! It's a shame that the Mark I Golden Age IA will be scrapped--I particularlly liked the clunkiness that made me remember Hellboy in many ways...

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18. "RE: TIA #3 poster"
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   >>My only problem with it, is that if the Buma knows anything about
>>aikido, Iron Man is in for a very bad day. He's almost perfectly set
>>up for juji garami, and with the forward momentum he's got going, that
>>right shoulder joint is gonna be very unhappy.
>
>Aikido seems a bit... 'nice' ...for a rampaging Buma. They tend to be
>red belts in Grr Smash Kill Fu, not so much in the more subtle martial
>arts and their techniques.

True. But, Iron Man should take things like "If this guy knows what he's doing, I'll keep going that way, and my arm won't" into effect when fighting. :)

(I'm being needlessly fiddly, I know. I blame it on watching too many badly choreographed movies and yelling at them. "What are you doing! Break his damned leg! No! CATCH THE LEG AND TWIST, YOU STUPID MONKEY!!")

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19. "RE: TIA #3 poster"
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   LAST EDITED ON Jan-10-07 AT 06:11 PM (EST)
 
>True. But, Iron Man should take things like "If this guy knows what
>he's doing, I'll keep going that way, and my arm won't" into effect
>when fighting. :)

1) The man inside the Iron Man suit is a reporter-technologist, not a martial artist.

2) However, he is a man who knows his enemy, and in this case his enemy is a low-echelon combat boomer with rudimentary close-combat programming, not Steven Seagal.

3) That's a suit of powered armor he's wearing there, not a tissue-paper muumuu. It might have something to say about some smartass attempt to bend his arm the wrong way.

4) You might consider taking the genre and setting of the piece into account. This is a near-future cyberpunk action series, not Pathologically Detailed Martial Arts Theatre.

In conclusion, unpucker your fanboy sphincter and cut us all some fucking slack. Selah.

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22. "RE: TIA #3 poster"
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   >4) You might consider taking the genre and setting of the piece into
>account. This is a near-future cyberpunk action series, not
>Pathologically Detailed Martial Arts Theatre.

Oh, so you mean it's not Last Order? ;)

>In conclusion, unpucker your fanboy sphincter and cut us all some
>fucking slack
. Selah.

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24. "RE: TIA #3 poster"
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   Combat boomere are about as subtile as an avalanche. They kill people and break things -- end of story. No one is going to bother uploading details on a 'soft' martial art into their memories. After all, they are stronger, faster, and nastier then 99.9% of the enemies it'll face.

They operate on the hammer theory -- Hit it with a hammer until it goes down. If the hammer breaks -- get a bigger hammer.

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25. "RE: TIA #3 poster"
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   ...didn't I say that, but shorter and slightly more snarky?

Oh well.
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26. "RE: TIA #3 poster"
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   LAST EDITED ON Jan-18-07 AT 00:14 AM (EST)
 
*Shrug*

I was under my daliy word count at the time. It was a cheap way to waste some words, Plus I'll borrow it when I need it for a story, so it's all good.....

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23. "RE: TIA #3 poster"
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   >>>My only problem with it, is that if the Buma knows anything about
>>>aikido, Iron Man is in for a very bad day. He's almost perfectly set
>>>up for juji garami, and with the forward momentum he's got going, that
>>>right shoulder joint is gonna be very unhappy.
>>
>>Aikido seems a bit... 'nice' ...for a rampaging Buma. They tend to be
>>red belts in Grr Smash Kill Fu, not so much in the more subtle martial
>>arts and their techniques.
>
>True. But, Iron Man should take things like "If this guy knows what
>he's doing, I'll keep going that way, and my arm won't" into effect
>when fighting. :)
>
>(I'm being needlessly fiddly, I know. I blame it on watching too many
>badly choreographed movies and yelling at them. "What are you doing!
>Break his damned leg! No! CATCH THE LEG AND TWIST, YOU STUPID
>MONKEY!!")
>

Besides what G said, Bumas have this characteristic you can observe in the whole series, that being when they fire their mouth weapon, the generally do this funky 'lock the elbows down and back' move, much like in the poster, and generally don't move very much while firing. So if you can dodge the Buma's mouth weapon, you pretty much have a free shot before they cease fire and recover. Which Iron Man or his Knight Sabre allies would know, and would also likely take into account.

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20. "RE: TIA #3 poster"
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   LAST EDITED ON Dec-21-11 AT 03:37 PM (EST)
 
I hope this doesn't come across as niticking, because I'm not. This is just my being curious if what I'm noticing was intentional based on the technology at hand... Is it just me, or does the head look a bit smaller that it should compared to the rest of the body?

If so, given what Gryphon said about the difference in TIA IM and MU IM technologies, it makes the picture (and the detail of the armor, via the aetist) that much cooler.


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