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"Blue Moon Serenade"
 
   Gryph, you have truly outdone yourself this time. This is well and truly the best Symphony yet.

Great things:

The entire Halloween sequence. "Magic hel-MET!" I burst out laughing (which, not incidentally, scared the cats) when Liza showed up dressed as Martin Rose, and the subsequent fun had me giggling like a madman, so much so that I was having trouble reading.

Vigdis taking up with Clarissa -- excellent twist. And one that I think will have most interesting repercussions when Vigdis finally Wakes Up. Wonder if Clarissa will Wake Up, too; given that she lacks Liza's intelligence, it's questionable, but then there's also the fact that I don't think Liza will just give up on her flesh and blood. After all, Mary got away, too.

And now all of the Norns are present at DSM; that can only get more interesting. (We've already got Bell rocking out.)

And the biggest development... Liza. Damn. I knew that there was no way she was simply dead; there's no way a character would be developed like that in UF and then just killed off just when she was getting interesting. But becoming a Swordmaster, and getting involved in an actual relationship with Az... that, I couldn't have predicted. ("'I'm not interested in your religion,' Liza breathed. 'I don't want a new spiritual experience. I just want -you-.'" ...Somehow, I don't think Azalynn has had anyone do that to her before.)

Once again, Gryph, you have outdone yourself.

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1. "RE: Blue Moon Serenade"
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   High points:

1) Eliza's 'awakening'. Not just the parts with Azalynn, but all of it. She's finally found something she can believe in, and more and more, I'm starting to find the underlying theme of the Symphony is 'what do you believe, and who are you?'. She's learning these things more and more, and the sheer 'wa-HA!' level of 'Another Christmas Rose' should be interesting, especially if we can get some more duels in showing Liza versus some of the people she hasn't fought yet - maybe a rematch with Kate or Utena, but this time for the joy of the duel, not power or prestige.

2) "I'm Mrs. Morisato." Jaws dropping all OVER the place, I bet.

3) Dammit, I want to be in that science class!

4) Jer. He's HUGE! (The sheer amusement of Halloween was very fun, especially with the cameo-that-wasn't.)

5) I'm waiting for Ivanova to break or something. Then recover.

6) Jeez, Neroon's even more of a dickweed in UF than in B5-canon.

7) The way that the Ragnarok Generation HID Mary's own exile from everyone... these are going to be good kids.

8) "We didn't know Creighton was pyrokinetic!" Gods, that made me snicker.

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2. "RE: Blue Moon Serenade"
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   Oh my gods....you truly have outdone yourself on this one. I have been predicting a good many things that eventually saw light, but what Liza has become, really threw me off. Guess I'm losing my talent or something. Great many changes within the characters themselves, unexpected happenings, and Belldandy as a rocker?! Gee, I wonder if she likes Judas Priest (seems most people don't). This has really made my day, thanks!

And for the record, I'd sooner die than let the Psi-Corps get me...


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69. "RE: Blue Moon Serenade"
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   >And for the record, I'd sooner die than let the Psi-Corps get me...

Personally, I'd gleefully surrender to them. The inside of my skull is screwy enough that it scares the people I'm around, /without/ them going anywhere near the inside of it. I'd think a telepath would go off the deep end for good if they spent too long in the midst of it.
Not the least of which because I've often compared my mind to a radio with someone spinning the tuner really fast - all kinds of random noise cascading through it. It can be fun to listen to...


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3. "RE: Blue Moon Serenade"
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   >2) "I'm Mrs. Morisato." Jaws dropping all OVER the place, I bet.

I think the bit with Double Z had some jaws dropping too. Would getting out the cigarette lighter be inappropriate for a goddess womaning the guitar?

>4) Jer. He's HUGE! (The sheer amusement of Halloween was very fun,
>especially with the cameo-that-wasn't.)

Halloween was great. It could've only been improved by replicating more of the scene. Although I'm not entirely sure how good an impersonation of Bugs Bunny Utena can do.

>5) I'm waiting for Ivanova to break or something. Then recover.

Then there will be no hope for any of us.. For Ivanova with a sense of humor is a scary thing, we have seen this.

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4. "RE: Blue Moon Serenade"
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   LAST EDITED ON Dec-21-01 AT 12:13 PM (EST)

>Halloween was great. It could've only been improved by replicating
>more of the scene. Although I'm not entirely sure how good an
>impersonation of Bugs Bunny Utena can do.

Not particularly good, since she's not familiar with the character.

The whole "spear and magic helmet" exchange probably left her quite mystified.

You may trust that this was rectified in very short order. :) I'm not sure exactly who took care of that -- most likely either Garibaldi, Kaitlyn, or Wakaba.

--truss.


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11. "RE: Blue Moon Serenade"
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   >7) The way that the Ragnarok Generation HID Mary's own exile from
>everyone... these are going to be good kids.

Well, it was mainly Sylv and the twins' idea, but the others all pitched in to help, of course. They had a wider range of parents' houses available, so they had to be enlisted. :)

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5. "RE: Blue Moon Serenade"
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   Okay ,seeing as most of the important points have been
covered in the previous posts , I have but a few things
to say , and the first one is ....

...Damn it guys , that was just freaking beautiful .
In some way , it was just 'special' .

and the second ...

...the new Liza is awsome ...( I wanna see more ^^)
Is her trip aboard the 'Spirit of the River' and the following
perils going to get a story ??

and the third...

...Mac scenes were great too . Hmm , is the No Bull
going to get a writeup on the site? I mean , it's just so damn cool
a ship . As opposed to what the description of the ship
was intended to do , my thoughts were along the lines
...she's beautiful . So I have a warped sense of esthetics ,
sue me .
(And its got _railguns_ for Pete's sake ! How can you not
love railguns ??)

and the fourth ...

...Clarissa ... last Broadbitch standing ...

and the fifth ...

...Vigdis... hmm , interesting development .
She'll see things clearly ... eventually ... I hope .
Wonder how the 'un-charming' of Corwin turns out ...

Hmm , turns out I had more stuff to say than I though ,
oh well , I get like that sometimes . Anyhow ,
thanks loads for the fun people . It was just the
thing to make my day after a few hours doing the
'weild shovel - use shovel on snow - clear snow away from
driveway - repeat until ammount of snow on driveway equals
zero'.

Here's to the Symphony !


-Griever
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6. "RE: Blue Moon Serenade"
In response to message #5
 
   >Hmm , turns out I had more stuff to say than I though ,
>oh well , I get like that sometimes . Anyhow ,
>thanks loads for the fun people . It was just the
>thing to make my day after a few hours doing the
>'weild shovel - use shovel on snow - clear snow away from
>driveway - repeat until ammount of snow on driveway equals
>zero'.

Dye your hair green now and take up kenjutsu!

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7. "RE: Blue Moon Serenade"
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   >Dye your hair green now and take up kenjutsu!
>
Try out Joico's Ice Spiker line, theres two green colored variants, the latest one is metallic.

I work as a hair salon advisor and I just couldn't help myself...


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8. "RE: Blue Moon Serenade"
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   > ...the new Liza is awsome ...( I wanna see more ^^)
>Is her trip aboard the 'Spirit of the River' and the following
>perils going to get a story ??

Possibly, if Gryph feels like it. My personal attitude is, Liza's retelling is enough for readers to make up their own minor details.

> and the third...
>
> ...Mac scenes were great too . Hmm , is the No Bull
>going to get a writeup on the site? I mean , it's just so damn cool
>a ship . As opposed to what the description of the ship
>was intended to do , my thoughts were along the lines
>...she's beautiful . So I have a warped sense of esthetics ,
>sue me .

You haven't seen the image for it yet. The No Bull is a Freespacer variant of a kid's first car... a poor kid's first car, held together more by possessive love than by any mechanical connections.

(There is a writeup, and an image stolen from a late WEG SW RPG sourcebook, for the No Bull, aka the Beast. It will go public the day Gryph feels it important enough for story purposes to list... and since Mac's sketch isn't up, I think that says volumes about what Mac's story importance would be if his actor weren't constantly lobbying for time.)

>(And its got _railguns_ for Pete's sake ! How can you not
>love railguns ??)

Railguns require ammo; thus, they are not popular among most starfleets. The CFMF has them standard because their version of the rail gun is a handy kinetic-energy shield ripper; the bolts are less damaging to bare armor than most blasters or phasers, but iron-plated depleted uranium (or, as Mac plans to use, plain iron) bolts at significant fractions of c requires a lot of shielding to stop.

> and the fourth ...
>
> ...Clarissa ... last Broadbitch standing ...

The Last Angry Broadbitch.

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9. "RE: Blue Moon Serenade"
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   >You haven't seen the image for it yet. The No Bull is a Freespacer
>variant of a kid's first car... a poor kid's first car, held together
>more by possessive love than by any mechanical connections.
>
>(There is a writeup, and an image stolen from a late WEG SW RPG
>sourcebook, for the No Bull, aka the Beast. It will go public the day
>Gryph feels it important enough for story purposes to list... and
>since Mac's sketch isn't up, I think that says volumes about what
>Mac's story importance would be if his actor weren't constantly
>lobbying for time.)
>

Nevertheless , for some reason that ship speaks to me .
(And it still will , even if I see the image , although
judging from what you just said it may be screaming things
like 'Run Away ! Run Away !')

>Railguns require ammo; thus, they are not popular among most
>starfleets. The CFMF has them standard because their version of the
>rail gun is a handy kinetic-energy shield ripper; the bolts are less
>damaging to bare armor than most blasters or phasers, but iron-plated
>depleted uranium (or, as Mac plans to use, plain iron) bolts at
>significant fractions of c requires a lot of shielding to stop.
>

I know , I know , the ammo need is a drawback , but I still feel
drawn to them .
As for the sheer stopping power , what about rail-cannons
(mental image of a 65mm railgun slug tearing through something's hull)?
Plus , they don't lose power over a distance , so I suppose they're good
for long range engagement (I wonder, do ships in UF have sensors that can
pick up something as small as a railgun slug . No power emmisions ...)

And what about anti-fighter uses ?
(although the requirement for ammo kinda cuts that one
short ... hmm , any fighter based railguns ?)

Gah , I'm rambling , sorry . It's just that the railguns are
my fav ranged weaps ( right next to the 30MW mining laser from
Frontier ^^).

-Griever
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17. "RE: Blue Moon Serenade"
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>I know , I know , the ammo need is a drawback , but I still feel
>drawn to them .
>As for the sheer stopping power , what about rail-cannons
>(mental image of a 65mm railgun slug tearing through something's
>hull)?
>Plus , they don't lose power over a distance , so I suppose they're
>good
>for long range engagement (I wonder, do ships in UF have sensors that
>can
>pick up something as small as a railgun slug . No power emmisions ...)

Well, there's a -reason- why ship guns have limited range... you don't -want- something going on forever at a significant fraction of c, and in a crowded battle- or a moving battle- you don't want to hit your own forces with your shots. That's another reason why rail guns are unpopular.

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12. "RE: Blue Moon Serenade"
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Would this imply that they are used in a similar manner to Sandcasters in Traveller? As a purely defensive item?

You know what I do like about this over the Core stories and some of the early work? The tools and tech that the characters use. No longer is it the Man in the Machine, where the machine overshadows them. Rather it is the person wielding the tool. It makes each scene more intimate and the characters stand out. As well they should too, as this is a character driven story.

Both Twilight and Symphony leaned in this direction. And it even shows in a finished verion of an earlier work, Aegis Florea. The mecha action scenes were nil in that. But the character action scenes stood out.


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13. "RE: Blue Moon Serenade"
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   > <Mass drivers vs shields>
> Would this imply that they are used in a similar manner to
>Sandcasters in Traveller? As a purely defensive item?

I don't think so. Mass drivers in UF appear to do a lot of damage to shields. Sandcasters put a cloud of dust between a ship and it's attackers to absorb energy weapon fire.

(Yes, I have the old rulebooks from Traveller. No, I don't think Grandfather will show up in UF. ;)

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14. "RE: Blue Moon Serenade"
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   > ...Vigdis... hmm , interesting development .
>She'll see things clearly ... eventually ... I hope .
>Wonder how the 'un-charming' of Corwin turns out ...

I have a bad feeling about this... If Vee tries to do something to "remove Utena's power over Crowin," someone may get some highly unpleasant side-effects from Dios... This should prove interesting from the sidelines...


Bell plays Rune Guitar... interesting...


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15. "RE: Blue Moon Serenade"
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   >I have a bad feeling about this... If Vee tries to do something to
>"remove Utena's power over Crowin," someone may get some highly
>unpleasant side-effects from Dios... This should prove interesting
>from the sidelines...

And painful up close. Considering that the only real magical stopgap measure anywhere near either of them is Utena's Seal.... Coming unSealed here could be like taking one's finger out of a hose.

>Bell plays Rune Guitar... interesting...

What, you think a good Viking lass would be into J-pop and hymns?

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37. "RE: Blue Moon Serenade"
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>What, you think a good Viking lass would be into J-pop and hymns?


That brings up a good point, in that because Belldandy is so sweet and charming, people (like me,) forget that she is a NORSE god. However this quote from Mark Latus's "Timelines" show's here in a different light.

> Many people have made the mistake of thinking Belldandy is a wimp. They
>were talking about the Belldandy of a slightly different continuum but there
>was no personality difference between them. At any rate those who say this
>are misjudging Belldandy because of her cheerful disposition. They forget two
>things. First when Urd messed around with Keiichi's mind with a love potion
>(during a visit to the beach) Belldandy came close to taking out her own
>sister. In fact if Urd hadn't been family and Keiichi hadn't recovered she'd
>have been in real trouble. Second Belldandy is a member of the Norse pantheon
>of gods and goddesses. It was from the ancient norsemen that we derived the
>concept of the berserkers. Terrible warriors who fight fearlessly with all
>their strength uncaring of their own injuries.
> Connoisseurs of combat judge the sight of a berserker warrior to be an
>incredible one. Though a sight best viewed from a safe distance. When the
>berserker in question is a goddess what constitutes a safe distance is
>debatable. However putting several oceans and continents between you is a
>good start.


The resulting explosion wiped out a ward of Tokyo, without harming anyone but her target. Kind of makes you feel sorry for anyone who tries to take over THIS school.


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67. "RE: Blue Moon Serenade"
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   >>Bell plays Rune Guitar... interesting...
>
>What, you think a good Viking lass would be into J-pop and hymns?

I'm still waiting for Bell to tell us that she learned her riffs from Val Hallen.

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72. "RE: Blue Moon Serenade"
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   >I'm still waiting for Bell to tell us that she learned her riffs from
>Val Hallen.
>
> --rR
>
>"Ragnarok and roll, dudes!"

I know it's a cliche and all , but

<shatter> BASTARD!

Damn , been all too long since I've seen that show .

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10. "RE: Blue Moon Serenade"
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   >I burst out laughing
>(which, not incidentally, scared the cats) when Liza showed up dressed
>as Martin Rose,

(One hopes you meant Juri. :)

>predicted. ("'I'm not interested in your religion,' Liza breathed.
>'I don't want a new spiritual experience. I just want -you-.'"
>...Somehow, I don't think Azalynn has had anyone do that to her
>before.)

No, no she hasn't, and she was kind of caught flat-footed by it. Dantrovians do have bonding relationships as well as spiritual encounters - Azalynn's parents are still together, forty years and a great many offspring later - but Azalynn has always assumed it'd be later in life that such a thing would find her, and she'd never have guessed the circumstances. :)

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19. "RE: Blue Moon Serenade"
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   >>I burst out laughing
>>(which, not incidentally, scared the cats) when Liza showed up dressed
>>as Martin Rose,
>
>(One hopes you meant Juri. :)

Yes; I suppose I got my elegant, assertive fencers crossed ;).

>>predicted. ("'I'm not interested in your religion,' Liza breathed.
>>'I don't want a new spiritual experience. I just want -you-.'"
>>...Somehow, I don't think Azalynn has had anyone do that to her
>>before.)
>
>No, no she hasn't, and she was kind of caught flat-footed by it.

...So was I, personally. Sure, I noticed that extended kiss, but it's -Az-. It honestly didn't occur to me that anyone would even consider going after her for a serious romantic relationship, since most humans seem to see Dantrovians as... free spirits, so to speak.

>Dantrovians do have bonding relationships as well as spiritual
>encounters - Azalynn's parents are still together, forty years and a
>great many offspring later - but Azalynn has always assumed it'd be
>later in life that such a thing would find her, and she'd never have
>guessed the circumstances. :)

I don't think *anyone* would have guessed *those* circumstances :). Azalynn getting involved with another girl is hardly surprising; she doesn't seem so much bisexual as omnisexual. Liza getting involved with a girl... how many layers of repression had to get peeled off for that? (I gather that such things are generally regarded with much greater enlightenment than they are today, but I'm sure that Mommy, Daddy, and Clarissa Broadbank object to everything they could possibly object to about Liza's new life that they can.)

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20. "RE: Blue Moon Serenade"
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   >I don't think *anyone* would have guessed *those* circumstances :).
>Azalynn getting involved with another girl is hardly surprising; she
>doesn't seem so much bisexual as omnisexual. Liza getting involved
>with a girl... how many layers of repression had to get peeled off for
>that?

I'm hoping to get a chance to explore that, as far as my usual self-imposed PG-13 rating will allow, in the next part. For now, consider this: The Broadbank family is very old-line Earth. That was a major part of Liza's problems: until sometime in the summer of 2405, she had never had any sexual contact with anyone. Anyone at all. Including herself.

>(I gather that such things are generally regarded with
>much greater enlightenment than they are today, but I'm sure that
>Mommy, Daddy, and Clarissa Broadbank object to everything they could
>possibly object to about Liza's new life that they can.)

On a wider scale, things are more enlightened, but as I said, the Broadbanks are an old-fashioned family, to an unhealthy extreme.

Honestly, though, because of his particular bent, Liza's father will be more upset that she's spending the holidays with Kaitlyn's family than anything else she does, in the short term - just like the thing that bothers Clarissa the most isn't that her elder sister is cavorting in public with another girl (and an alien, to boot), it's that she's palling around with Kate and the other Duelists.

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22. "RE: Blue Moon Serenade"
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   LAST EDITED ON Dec-22-01 AT 01:17 AM (EST)

>consider this: The Broadbank family is very old-line Earth. That was
>a major part of Liza's problems: until sometime in the summer of 2405,
>she had never had any sexual contact with anyone. Anyone at all.
>Including herself.

Let me get this staight, Liza is 15/16 and she has never had any sexual contact with anyone?? Did her father forced her to use metallic underwear or what? I admit that her parents are old fashioned, but what about her? I don't think she was THAT cold.

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23. "RE: Blue Moon Serenade"
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   >Let me get this staight, Liza is 15/16 and she has never had any
>sexual contact with anyone?? Did her father forced her to use metallic
>underwear or what? I admit that her parents are old fashioned, but
>what about her? I don't think she was THAT cold.

You may be sure that your daughter has been properly tutored
Once you have seen that the teacher is properly neutered.

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25. "RE: Blue Moon Serenade"
In response to message #23
 
   >>Let me get this staight, Liza is 15/16 and she has never had any
>>sexual contact with anyone?? Did her father forced her to use metallic
>>underwear or what? I admit that her parents are old fashioned, but
>>what about her? I don't think she was THAT cold.
>
>You may be sure that your daughter has been properly tutored
>Once you have seen that the teacher is properly neutered.

Why would I? I don't have any daughter, only a son. And are you going to tell me you know someone who wasn't sexually active at 15?

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28. "RE: Blue Moon Serenade"
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   >Why would I? I don't have any daughter, only a son. And are you going
>to tell me you know someone who wasn't sexually active at 15?

You mean other that *myself*? I waited until I was 20.

Even not counting myself, yes, I do know many people who weren't sexually active at 15 (or 16, 17...) - both male and female.

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70. "RE: Blue Moon Serenade"
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   >>Why would I? I don't have any daughter, only a son. And are you going
>>to tell me you know someone who wasn't sexually active at 15?
>
>You mean other that *myself*? I waited until I was 20.
>
>Even not counting myself, yes, I do know many people who weren't
>sexually active at 15 (or 16, 17...) - both male and female.

Same here - on both the count of myself, and of knowing others.


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29. "RE: Blue Moon Serenade"
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   >
>Why would I? I don't have any daughter, only a son. And are you going
>to tell me you know someone who wasn't sexually active at 15?
>

If, by sexually active, you mean 'active with a partner,' then I do know somebody like that.

Me.

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30. "RE: Blue Moon Serenade"
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   >Why would I? I don't have any daughter, only a son. And are you going
>to tell me you know someone who wasn't sexually active at 15?

I wasn't. Still am not. (Nearly 17 now.) Fragments fun.


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31. "RE: Blue Moon Serenade"
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   >>You may be sure that your daughter has been properly tutored
>>Once you have seen that the teacher is properly neutered.
>
>Why would I? I don't have any daughter, only a son. And are you going
>to tell me you know someone who wasn't sexually active at 15?

About 8/9 of the population of the United States, at last count. In fact, about 2/3 of all Americans never got lucky once in high school, for various reasons (including the conscious choice not to go looking).

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32. "RE: Blue Moon Serenade"
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   >>are you going
>>to tell me you know someone who wasn't sexually active at 15?
>
>About 8/9 of the population of the United States, at last count.

OK, kids, I think this question's been sufficiently answered, thank you.

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34. "RE: Blue Moon Serenade"
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   >OK, kids, I think this question's been sufficiently answered, thank
>you.

And there have been enough answers to prove that I was completely wrong (at least in an US context).

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42. "RE: Blue Moon Serenade"
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>Why would I? I don't have any daughter, only a son. And are you going
>to tell me you know someone who wasn't sexually active at 15?
>

well this depends on how broad your definition of 'sexually active' is. I knew plenty of folks who hadn't had actual sex well after that age. Now, as for... self amusement, well, that's an entirely different story.

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26. "RE: Blue Moon Serenade"
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   >>consider this: The Broadbank family is very old-line Earth. That was
>>a major part of Liza's problems: until sometime in the summer of 2405,
>>she had never had any sexual contact with anyone. Anyone at all.
>>Including herself.
>
>Let me get this staight, Liza is 15/16 and she has never had any
>sexual contact with anyone?? Did her father forced her to use metallic
>underwear or what?

It's remarkable what sorts of things you can get people to do, or not do, if you start training them to do or not do them early enough in life.

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27. "RE: Blue Moon Serenade"
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   >Let me get this staight, Liza is 15/16 and she has never had any
>sexual contact with anyone??

You know, this really isn't all thay unheard of. All teenagers are not sluts, the press just makes it seem that way.

I was rather a bit older than that myself before I did anything more than kiss a girl/woman. And it wasn't for lack of chances - I turned down a few advances at parties and such because that just wasn't my scene. In high school I couldn't stand most of my peers just in school, let alone the thought of dating any of them. There were a couple who I liked, but, as these things are wont to happen, they were always involved.

I'm also kind of amused to see a "She's 15 and hasn't had sex?" reaction to contrast with the "Why the hell do you have 15 year olds having sex?!" reactions NXE got...

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33. "RE: Blue Moon Serenade"
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   >I'm also kind of amused to see a "She's 15 and hasn't had sex?"
>reaction to contrast with the "Why the hell do you have 15 year olds
>having sex?!" reactions NXE got...

Yeah well, I'm talking from personal experience. When I was 15 (ten years ago) it was considered normal to have a girlfriend (And I don't mean the hold-hands-in-the-park kind of gf), and by when a kid turned 16 it was an odd thing for him not to have "gotten lucky". But then, my generation is considered to be the 'Black Sheep' of Argentina so...

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35. "RE: Blue Moon Serenade"
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   >>I'm also kind of amused to see a "She's 15 and hasn't had sex?"
>>reaction to contrast with the "Why the hell do you have 15 year olds
>>having sex?!" reactions NXE got...
>
>Yeah well, I'm talking from personal experience. When I was 15 (ten
>years ago) it was considered normal to have a girlfriend (And I don't
>mean the hold-hands-in-the-park kind of gf), and by when a kid turned
>16 it was an odd thing for him not to have "gotten lucky".

Well, leaving aside for the moment the fact that early-25th-century New Avalon is not late-20th-century Argentina, one feels obligated to request that you consider the following: When a person's only reason for existing (as well as that of her two sisters) is to dog the offspring of an enemy of her parents through the local school system, what about her upbringing can be "considered normal"?

Ephrem Broadbank is not a normal father. Liza did not have a normal upbringing. Therefore, some aspects of her development were, shall we say, hindered. I'm not saying it is socially obligatory for sixteen-year-olds to be going all the way in the UF universe, but it's not illegal, at least not in Zeta Cygni; and not to have had any contact, even with oneself, by that age, is pretty strange.

Mind you, this is for the baseline human-and-humanlike superculture that we see most often in UF stories. There are as many exceptions as you can name in the individual corners of the universe...

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36. "RE: Blue Moon Serenade"
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   >Well, leaving aside for the moment the fact that early-25th-century
>New Avalon is not late-20th-century Argentina, one feels obligated to

Right now Argentina is in the middle of the worst economical crisis in decades it's president has resigned, there are riots in the streets, and we are practically digging trenches and getting as many guns as we can to protect our neighbourhoods and our lives. New Avalon is nothing like Argentina, trust me on that one.

>request that you consider the following: When a person's only reason
>for existing (as well as that of her two sisters) is to dog the
>offspring of an enemy of her parents through the local school system,
>what about her upbringing can be "considered normal"?

Point.

>but it's not illegal, at least not in Zeta Cygni; and not to have had
>any contact, even with oneself, by that age, is pretty
>strange.

That's part of what I wanted to say on my first post on this subject.

>Mind you, this is for the baseline human-and-humanlike superculture
>that we see most often in UF stories. There are as many
>exceptions as you can name in the individual corners of the
>universe...

Certain examples DO spring into my (rather dirty) mind.

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46. "A slight sidetrack..."
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   >Ephrem Broadbank

I seem to recall seeing both "Ephrem" and "Ephraim" -- which is the preferred spelling?

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47. "RE: A slight sidetrack..."
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   >>Ephrem Broadbank
>
>I seem to recall seeing both "Ephrem" and "Ephraim" -- which is the
>preferred spelling?

Duelists of the Rose has it as "Ephrem". If "Ephraim" has turned up somewhere, it's either because I messed up writing a scene, or someone else in the group did and I missed it while editing.

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40. "RE: Blue Moon Serenade"
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   >LAST EDITED ON Dec-22-01 AT
>01:17 AM (EST)

>
>Let me get this staight, Liza is 15/16 and she has never had any
>sexual contact with anyone?? Did her father forced her to use metallic
>underwear or what? I admit that her parents are old fashioned, but
>what about her? I don't think she was THAT cold.

Is that so unusual? I've known a great many people who, at 16, hadn't had any sexual contact with anyone. Heck, I know people several years older than that who say they haven't. Maybe it's the fact that I live in a conservative, midwestern town... *shrugs*

I strongly believe that Liza must've gotten laid at some point during her journey, though I'm not about to speculate as to who or what...

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51. "RE: Blue Moon Serenade"
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   >>Let me get this staight, Liza is 15/16 and she has never had any
>>sexual contact with anyone?? Did her father forced her to use metallic
>>underwear or what? I admit that her parents are old fashioned, but
>>what about her? I don't think she was THAT cold.

I don't think it was cold so much as the focus her :cough cough: parents installed in her. She was brought up from the cradle believing that her whole life was to be devoted to making Kate miserable. Anything else would be a distraction... otherwise why would her father need to provide her an escort for the spring formal?

>Is that so unusual? I've known a great many people who, at 16, hadn't
>had any sexual contact with anyone. Heck, I know people several years
>older than that who say they haven't. Maybe it's the fact that I live
>in a conservative, midwestern town... *shrugs*

Nope. I grew up in Los Angeles, which is niether conservative nor in the midwest and I didn't 'do it' with a partner till I was 20-21'ish. Of course, my social skills were also pretty much non-existant for the first half of my life too... Seems there are two types of kids out there nowadays... the 'Gweep 2.x's and the 'party animals'... its the second that show up on shows like Springer all the time and give rise to the lie we've all been discussing.

>I strongly believe that Liza must've gotten laid at some point during
>her journey, though I'm not about to speculate as to who or what...
>

It would seem so, wouldn't it? I mean, no offense Gryph, but a whole lot of charecters in SoS have gotten their heads screwed back on right that way. ^_^

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52. "RE: Blue Moon Serenade"
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   >>I strongly believe that Liza must've gotten laid at some point during
>>her journey, though I'm not about to speculate as to who or what...
>>
>It would seem so, wouldn't it? I mean, no offense Gryph, but a whole
>lot of charecters in SoS have gotten their heads screwed back on right
>that way. ^_^

Just to, er, lay this thread to rest: No. Liza spent the entire summer among t'skrang, who aren't compatible with humans, except for a couple of weeks on Barsaive, during which all her time was occupied with helping F'thaka steal that big gem. (OK, sure, there were a couple of humanoids in the ground during her time on Jezebel, the planet she stole from the Obsidian Order, but Malon ex-pirates? Eeew.) As of Blue Moon Serenade, Elizabeth Shustal is still, technically speaking, a virgin.

However, the t'skrang do tend to think that a lot of human sexual mores are bizarre and silly - the fact that we simultaneously have a pathological need to cover ourselves up and a powerful drive to see each other naked strikes them as really, really weird - and that very lack of compatibility may have made Liza more comfortable with herself during her time with them.

I might explore this a bit in the next part, if I don't find it exceeding my maturity-rating comfort scale.

(Oh, and, "a lot"? So far, if you count Liza even though she didn't actually, I can think of... well, two.)

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73. "RE: Blue Moon Serenade"
In response to message #52
 
   >However, the t'skrang do tend to think that a lot of human sexual
>mores are bizarre and silly - the fact that we simultaneously have a
>pathological need to cover ourselves up and a powerful drive to see
>each other naked strikes them as really, really weird - and that very
>lack of compatibility may have made Liza more comfortable with
>herself during her time with them.

I hereby apologize for bringing this up again, but the idea just hit me recently, after re-reading the ED rules and the story....

The way that Liza's, well, repression is described indicates to me, just a tad, that her time on the Spirit of the River was her OWN version of kiassa, as she not only discovered herself mentally (and becoming Liza R'kas Shustal - indeed, in Barsaive terms, a rebirth by reNaming), as well as physically and spiritually. And, as mentioned in the story, her particular talents - empathic and all - gave her a view of herself from the OUTSIDE, letting her, perhaps, see the sorts of problems she's caused for herself by causing problems for others.

I'm just waiting to see if the discipline she forged in herself to be a Swordmaster gave her any better insight into her own psionic abilities... I dare say that we'll find out when it's needed.

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41. "RE: Blue Moon Serenade"
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   >Let me get this staight, Liza is 15/16 and she has never had any
>sexual contact with anyone?? Did her father forced her to use metallic
>underwear or what? I admit that her parents are old fashioned, but
>what about her? I don't think she was THAT cold.

Oh there are other ways to do that sort of thing and insure that children won't 'abuse themselves'. Most of these methods are considered outlawed by th Geneva Convention, though... I shant go into detal beyond the fact that it's not at all pleasant what some old school parents have done, simply because their parents did it to them right on back up the line.

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16. "RE: Blue Moon Serenade"
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   Great work Guys!

Liza's ship getting destroyed: I knew it! It would have been too easy if she had just come back from her trip without something like that happening!

Liza's ship NOT getting destzroyed by the Psi-Corps: Now that surprised me a little. I thoght that thze ship Liza was on getting destroyed, no survivors found and no trace of the attackers was too much to be a coincidence.

Vigdis: I'm really beginning to hate that girl, especially her thoughts about mortals. (Mortals aren't able to feel true passion, Gryphon killing Fernis makes him barely acceptable, etc.) Whenever I try to picture her in her Valkyrie uniform I se her in a SS uniform. *runs for cover* Please put down that gun Vee!

PS: WHY CAN'T I HAVE A _USEFULL_ SUPERPOWER!?!

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18. "RE: Blue Moon Serenade"
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   >Vigdis: I'm really beginning to hate that girl,

I like her in a "She's not using her brain a lot but she's still cute" sort of way

>PS: WHY CAN'T I HAVE A _USEFULL_ SUPERPOWER!?!

Becouse that would be fair, and the universe isn't fair...

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21. "RE: Blue Moon Serenade"
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   >Vigdis: I'm really beginning to hate that girl, especially her
>thoughts about mortals. (Mortals aren't able to feel true passion,
>Gryphon killing Fernis makes him barely acceptable, etc.)

Well, keep in mind that she is very young, and hasn't had much experience outside Asgard. Her opinions are strongly influenced by the fact that she's a member of a very elite group, and she had no first-hand knowledge of any "ordinary" mortals before Blue Moon. As such, the views she holds stem more from ignorance than actual hostility, and may be subject to change, if she can get herself to pay enough attention to learn something from her time on Midgard.

As for the "mortals can't feel true passion" thing, that's a commonly held belief among the peoples of the Upper (Asgard, Vanaheim, Alfheim, Jotunheim) and Lower (Svartalfheim, Hel, Niflheim, Muspelheim) Worlds. Many gods, demigods, Great Dragons, True Elves, and suchlike celestial and demi-celestial beings think of the people of Midgard as poor shadows of their own cosmic "trueness" - not really people at all, when you get right down to it. They lead short, drab little lives and die meaningless, drab little deaths. They don't really live, so how can they be expected to have true feelings?

>Whenever I
>try to picture her in her Valkyrie uniform I se her in a SS uniform.

As it happens, the Valkyrie semi-dress uniform does resemble an SS uniform (or rather, if you want to get metafictional about it, the SS uniform resembled the Valkyrie semi-dress uniform) - they even carry Lugers as sidearms. Put the brocaded full-dress tunic and cloak on over the shirt instead of the silver-buttoned semi-dress jacket, though, and the resemblance is muted.

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24. "RE: Blue Moon Serenade"
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   >Well, keep in mind that she is very young, and hasn't had much
>experience outside Asgard. Her opinions are strongly influenced by
>the fact that she's a member of a very elite group, and she had no
>first-hand knowledge of any "ordinary" mortals before Blue
>Moon
. As such, the views she holds stem more from ignorance than
>actual hostility, and may be subject to change, if she can get herself
>to pay enough attention to learn something from her time on Midgard.

I really hope she does change, because if she continues to follow her current line of thoughts, she's either gonna be in a world of hurt, or wish she was. Part of me wants to see her knocked down a few pegs by a 'mortal' (mostly Utena), and another part hopes that someone does talk to her about her, uh, situation for lack of a better term. Kinda sad though, I can almost identify with her. Just because you have strong feelings for someone doesn't mean they're gonna return them, they might even have some hostility for you (at the most).

Take it from a guy whose been alone all his life.


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39. "RE: Blue Moon Serenade"
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   LAST EDITED ON Dec-22-01 AT 08:19 AM (EST)

>I really hope she does change, because if she continues to follow her
>current line of thoughts, she's either gonna be in a world of hurt, or
>wish she was. Part of me wants to see her knocked down a few pegs by a
>'mortal' (mostly Utena), and another part hopes that someone does talk
>to her about her, uh, situation for lack of a better term.

I know how you feel on this one. It's one of those points that you (the reader) just wants to yell, 'You Fool! Pay attention!'....Of course Robert Jordan's Wheel of Time makes me want to do that to any character that is even moderately in a relationship, but I think that is his writing more than a plot point.


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43. "RE: Blue Moon Serenade"
In response to message #21
 
   >Well, keep in mind that she is very young, and hasn't had much
>experience outside Asgard. Her opinions are strongly influenced by
>the fact that she's a member of a very elite group, and she had no
>first-hand knowledge of any "ordinary" mortals before Blue
>Moon
. As such, the views she holds stem more from ignorance than
>actual hostility, and may be subject to change, if she can get herself
>to pay enough attention to learn something from her time on Midgard.
>
>As for the "mortals can't feel true passion" thing, that's a commonly
>held belief among the peoples of the Upper (Asgard, Vanaheim, Alfheim,
>Jotunheim) and Lower (Svartalfheim, Hel, Niflheim, Muspelheim) Worlds.
> Many gods, demigods, Great Dragons, True Elves, and suchlike
>celestial and demi-celestial beings think of the people of Midgard as
>poor shadows of their own cosmic "trueness" - not really people at
>all, when you get right down to it. They lead short, drab little
>lives and die meaningless, drab little deaths. They don't really
>live, so how can they be expected to have true feelings?

<snippage>

That was the impression I got from it. That she was just lacking in personal experience with mortals, and thus had just inherited the general attitudes around her.

I'm sure that as she hangs around with mortals, she'll find one cool enough or interesting enough to help her start to change her mind.

Moose, perhaps? He seems a bit underutilized, compared to the other cast members, and he certainly seems kind hearted enough to show her she's wrong.

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44. "RE: Blue Moon Serenade"
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   >Moose, perhaps? He seems a bit underutilized, compared to the other
>cast members, and he certainly seems kind hearted enough to show her
>she's wrong.

As a cast member, Moose is a very laid-back type, doesn't put himself forward much, is content to reside in the kind of background supporting role he's adopted over the course of the series. Others inside EPU itself have asked me why he hasn't gotten a side story or an internal arc of his own, and the answer's always been that he doesn't seem to want one, or at least that he hasn't any ideas for one. He just bumps along from day to day, possessing a number of interesting backstory traits that he's content to have hinted at or concealed entirely, biding his time.

Some day, of course, he'll come up and throw my entire cycle off-kilter by demanding his day in the sun right now, but until then, he's very easy to work with. :)

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45. "RE: Blue Moon Serenade"
In response to message #44
 
   >>Moose, perhaps? He seems a bit underutilized, compared to the other
>>cast members, and he certainly seems kind hearted enough to show her
>>she's wrong.
>
>As a cast member, Moose is a very laid-back type, doesn't put himself
>forward much, is content to reside in the kind of background
>supporting role he's adopted over the course of the series. Others
>inside EPU itself have asked me why he hasn't gotten a side story or
>an internal arc of his own, and the answer's always been that he
>doesn't seem to want one, or at least that he hasn't any ideas for
>one. He just bumps along from day to day, possessing a number of
>interesting backstory traits that he's content to have hinted at or
>concealed entirely, biding his time.
>
>Some day, of course, he'll come up and throw my entire cycle
>off-kilter by demanding his day in the sun right now, but until
>then, he's very easy to work with. :)
>


*grin* Which makes me wonder if just perhaps Mac isn't the right one for poor Vigdis. ;) He keeps popping up... give him a distraction. ;)

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48. "RE: Blue Moon Serenade"
In response to message #45
 
   >>>Moose, perhaps? He seems a bit underutilized, compared to the other
>>>cast members, and he certainly seems kind hearted enough to show her
>>>she's wrong.
>>
>>As a cast member, Moose is a very laid-back type, doesn't put himself
>>forward much, is content to reside in the kind of background
>>supporting role he's adopted over the course of the series. Others
>>inside EPU itself have asked me why he hasn't gotten a side story or
>>an internal arc of his own, and the answer's always been that he
>>doesn't seem to want one, or at least that he hasn't any ideas for
>>one. He just bumps along from day to day, possessing a number of
>>interesting backstory traits that he's content to have hinted at or
>>concealed entirely, biding his time.
>>
>>Some day, of course, he'll come up and throw my entire cycle
>>off-kilter by demanding his day in the sun right now, but until
>>then, he's very easy to work with. :)
>>
>
>
>*grin* Which makes me wonder if just perhaps Mac isn't the right one
>for poor Vigdis. ;) He keeps popping up... give him a distraction. ;)

Ack! Mac is so hungry for "screen" time that he's taking over Moose's sub-thread. Damn him! ;)

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38. "RE: Blue Moon Serenade"
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   I would just like to add my congratulations and thanks to Gryphon and the rest of the team at EPU for bringing us such great stories. I am an avid fan of both NXE and UF and I eagerly await every Symphony story. Great Job!!!

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49. "RE: Blue Moon Serenade"
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   >Gryph, you have truly outdone yourself this time. This is well and
>truly the best Symphony yet.
>
>Great things:
>
>The entire Halloween sequence. "Magic hel-MET!" I burst out laughing
>(which, not incidentally, scared the cats) when Liza showed up dressed
>as Martin Rose, and the subsequent fun had me giggling like a madman,
>so much so that I was having trouble reading.

The costumes were good, but the dialogue with Delenn was what broke me.
"I have no 'costume'."
"Oh, don't worry - you can come as a Minbari diplomat."
"I -am- a Minbari diplomat!"
"Well, that makes you more convincing!"

>Vigdis taking up with Clarissa -- excellent twist. And one that I
>think will have most interesting repercussions when Vigdis finally
>Wakes Up. Wonder if Clarissa will Wake Up, too; given that she lacks
>Liza's intelligence, it's questionable, but then there's also the fact
>that I don't think Liza will just give up on her flesh and blood.
>After all, Mary got away, too.

And just to be different, I'd rather see Mary & Liza's meeting than Liza's adventures. Not that I expect it to be written, but given a choice between them, that would be what I'd want to read. Go figure.


>And the biggest development... Liza. Damn. I knew that there
>was no way she was simply dead; there's no way a character would be
>developed like that in UF and then just killed off just when
>she was getting interesting. But becoming a Swordmaster, and getting
>involved in an actual relationship with Az... that, I couldn't have
>predicted. ("'I'm not interested in your religion,' Liza breathed.
>'I don't want a new spiritual experience. I just want -you-.'"
>...Somehow, I don't think Azalynn has had anyone do that to her
>before.)
>
Sincerity is highly underrated. If you look at it in one way, it's rather flattering to Azalynn.

>Once again, Gryph, you have outdone yourself.
>
Amen to that. Made my whole day.

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50. "RE: Blue Moon Serenade"
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   >And just to be different, I'd rather see Mary & Liza's meeting than
>Liza's adventures. Not that I expect it to be written, but given a
>choice between them, that would be what I'd want to read. Go figure.

Ehhh... personally, I think it's more eloquent to allow the reader to fill those in himself. Neither of them needs on-screen elaboration; it's more interesting to see what we see from the perspective of the other Duelists, rather than Liza's firsthand experience.

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53. "RE: Blue Moon Serenade"
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   LAST EDITED ON Dec-24-01 AT 00:30 AM (EST)

>>And just to be different, I'd rather see Mary & Liza's meeting than
>>Liza's adventures. Not that I expect it to be written, but given a
>>choice between them, that would be what I'd want to read. Go figure.
>
>Ehhh... personally, I think it's more eloquent to allow the reader to
>fill those in himself. Neither of them needs on-screen elaboration;
>it's more interesting to see what we see from the perspective of the
>other Duelists, rather than Liza's firsthand experience.
>

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54. "RE: Blue Moon Serenade"
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   >>>And just to be different, I'd rather see Mary & Liza's meeting than
>>>Liza's adventures. Not that I expect it to be written, but given a
>>>choice between them, that would be what I'd want to read. Go figure.
>>
>>Ehhh... personally, I think it's more eloquent to allow the reader to
>>fill those in himself. Neither of them needs on-screen elaboration;
>>it's more interesting to see what we see from the perspective of the
>>other Duelists, rather than Liza's firsthand experience.
>>
>
>Even as twisted as I am, I don't want to see something like that in
>one of the EPU works. Just doesn't seem right. Really, go look up
>something on the net if your into that, or just email me: I have some
>old sites that would probably have that.
>
>Yech.

.............. wha?

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55. "RE: Blue Moon Serenade"
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   >>Even as twisted as I am, I don't want to see something like that in
>>one of the EPU works. Just doesn't seem right. Really, go look up
>>something on the net if your into that, or just email me: I have some
>>old sites that would probably have that.
>>
>>Yech.
>
>.............. wha?

Ditto.

Shadowhavoc, we were talking about a) Liza's adventures after the pirate attack on the Spirit of the River and before her arrival at DSM, and b) Liza's reunion with her sister, the one who isn't still brainwashed by the Broadbank parents.

I'm gathering you're talking about some kind of smut, and I'm totally lost about where you're getting that from.

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56. "RE: Blue Moon Serenade"
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   >Shadowhavoc, we were talking about a) Liza's adventures after the
>pirate attack on the Spirit of the River and before her arrival
>at DSM, and b) Liza's reunion with her sister, the one who isn't still
>brainwashed by the Broadbank parents.
>
>I'm gathering you're talking about some kind of smut, and I'm totally
>lost about where you're getting that from.

Um, oh boy I really %#@&up. I'm really sorry, I'm not going to even try to blame it on the voices this time. Can I delete that or something?

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57. "RE: Blue Moon Serenade"
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   I'm dead, aren't I?

Oy.


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58. "RE: Blue Moon Serenade"
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   >I'm gathering you're talking about some kind of smut, and I'm totally
>lost about where you're getting that from.

Oh, OK. That makes a certain amount of sense.

Well, not that he thinks we're talking about smut, but factoring in that assumption makes his own post make a bit more sense.

It certainly was an odd conclusion to reach, though.

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59. "RE: Blue Moon Serenade"
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   >>I'm gathering you're talking about some kind of smut, and I'm totally
>>lost about where you're getting that from.
>
>Oh, OK. That makes a certain amount of sense.
>
>Well, not that he thinks we're talking about smut, but factoring in
>that assumption makes his own post make a bit more sense.
>
>It certainly was an odd conclusion to reach, though.

Maybe he was getting the discussion on Liza's "experiences" earlier in the thread mixed up with what was going on later.

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60. "RE: Blue Moon Serenade"
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   >>Well, not that he thinks we're talking about smut, but factoring in
>>that assumption makes his own post make a bit more sense.
>>
>>It certainly was an odd conclusion to reach, though.
>
>Maybe he was getting the discussion on Liza's "experiences" earlier in
>the thread mixed up with what was going on later.

Okay, that makes a certain amount of sense. Maybe he's just tired.

Anyway, no, I don't have any particular need or want to read erotica here (I don't really read erotica in general, anyway), but a sex scene can move the plot along, if that's what it comes to.

Not that that's really relevant, seeing as Liza was a virgin up until Azalynn. (To me, that "counts". That it's between two females without any, erm, aids -- and I'm assuming that neither Liza nor Azalynn keep any handy, though that might change -- doesn't make it any less valid.) And I'm still confused as to how people came up with the idea that Liza got a good lay somewhere on her adventures -- I mean, seriously, when? And with whom? T'skrang aren't compatible, but, seriously, Malon pirates? Cardassians? Liza has taste.

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62. "RE: Blue Moon Serenade"
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   >Okay, that makes a certain amount of sense. Maybe he's just tired.
>
Can I blame it on that?

Please?


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63. "RE: Blue Moon Serenade"
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   >Azalynn. (To me, that "counts". That it's between two females
>without any, erm, aids

Well, there is a prehensile tail involved...

I wonder how many gears just stripped...

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64. "RE: Blue Moon Serenade"
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   >>Azalynn. (To me, that "counts". That it's between two females
>>without any, erm, aids
>
>Well, there is a prehensile tail involved...
>
>I wonder how many gears just stripped...

Zoner, will you please not do dipshit things like this? Please? I've been trying to defuse this damn subthread, for crissake.

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65. "RE: Blue Moon Serenade"
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   >Zoner, will you please not do dipshit things like this? Please? I've
>been trying to defuse this damn subthread, for crissake.

What? It's true. And I thought it was funny.

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66. "RE: Blue Moon Serenade"
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   >>Zoner, will you please not do dipshit things like this? Please? I've
>>been trying to defuse this damn subthread, for crissake.
>
>What? It's true. And I thought it was funny.

Oh.

Well, it wasn't, just so you know.

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61. "RE: Blue Moon Serenade"
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   >>>I'm gathering you're talking about some kind of smut, and I'm totally
>>>lost about where you're getting that from.
>>
>>Oh, OK. That makes a certain amount of sense.
>>
>>Well, not that he thinks we're talking about smut, but factoring in
>>that assumption makes his own post make a bit more sense.
>>
>>It certainly was an odd conclusion to reach, though.
>
>Maybe he was getting the discussion on Liza's "experiences" earlier in
>the thread mixed up with what was going on later.

I guess I need to clean up my mind a bit. I'm really sorry people, I just made one hell of a mistake. I need to go smash my head against some stationary object, like say, a brick wall.

Go ahead and rip me to shreds, I know I deserve it.


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68. "RE: Blue Moon Serenade"
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   I've been lurking awhile, but I feel a response is warranted:

Eh, everyone makes mistakes now and again. It seems to me you're the only one who is beating yourself up over this. Relax, crap happens, etc etc etc.


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71. "RE: Blue Moon Serenade"
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   >>And just to be different, I'd rather see Mary & Liza's meeting than
>>Liza's adventures. Not that I expect it to be written, but given a
>>choice between them, that would be what I'd want to read. Go figure.
>
>Ehhh... personally, I think it's more eloquent to allow the reader to
>fill those in himself. Neither of them needs on-screen elaboration;
>it's more interesting to see what we see from the perspective of the
>other Duelists, rather than Liza's firsthand experience.
>
That's why I don't expect it to be written.

Sorry about spawning this monster, Gryph.


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