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"Dream Hardware 2: Electric Bugaloo"
 
   Alright, I'm enjoying the Real World Hardware Encounters and DocMui's Dream Vehicle threads, so let's go into Yet Another Mutation:

If you could choose ONE piece of real-world, existing, in-production-at-some-point vehicular hardware to own, no strings attached, and not even having to worry about maintenance costs or things like that, would would you choose?

Some ground rules: I don't want to see outrageous confabulations, like that Buick with the Mazda rotary engines someone mentioned on another thread -- if it's a mod, it should be a mod documented somewhere as built and working in the real world.

Me, I'm torn between a Saleen S7 (a car that can be driven upside down), a 1996 Mazda RX7 with a number of performance mods (with NOS that beast can hit over 800 hp, although I don't think I'd install a nitrous system myself), and the Porsche 911 Turbo. I'm also partial to the Acura NSX, but I'm not quite as enamored of it as I am the other three (and it's my Mazda bias that ranks the RX7 above the NSX).

(And, no, I'm not personally going to list any planes, because I'm not an aviation nut, and I prefer the road to the air or the sea.)

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  RE: Dream Hardware 2: Electric Bugaloo Dreamshadow Jun-14-01 1
     RE: Dream Hardware 2: Electric Bugaloo Berk Jun-17-01 10
  RE: Dream Hardware 2: Electric Bugaloo Mephronmoderator Jun-14-01 2
  RE: Dream Hardware 2: Electric Bugaloo Gryphonadmin Jun-14-01 3
  RE: Dream Hardware 2: Electric Bugaloo remandeteam Jun-14-01 4
  RE: Dream Hardware 2: Electric Bugaloo TRB Jun-14-01 5
  RE: Dream Hardware 2: Electric Bugaloo yostinso Jun-14-01 6
  RE: Dream Hardware 2: Electric Bugaloo Star Ranger4 Jun-15-01 7
  RE: Dream Hardware 2: Electric Bugaloo Polychrome Jun-15-01 8
     RE: Dream Hardware 2: Electric Bugaloo TRB Jun-17-01 9
         RE: Dream Hardware 2: Electric Bugaloo Polychrome Jun-18-01 12
             RE: Dream Hardware 2: Electric Bugaloo Laudre Jun-18-01 13
             RE: Dream Hardware 2: Electric Bugaloo TRB Jun-18-01 14
  RE: Dream Hardware 2: Electric Bugaloo Berk Jun-17-01 11
  RE: Dream Hardware 2: Electric Bugaloo Sofaspud Jun-21-01 15
     RE: Dream Hardware 2: Electric Bugaloo Kokuten Jun-21-01 16
     RE: Dream Hardware 2: Electric Bugaloo Nathan Jun-21-01 17
         RE: Dream Hardware 2: Electric Bugaloo Gryphonadmin Jun-21-01 18
         RE: Dream Hardware 2: Electric Bugaloo megazone Jun-21-01 19
             RE: Dream Hardware 2: Electric Bugaloo Wedge Jun-21-01 20
                 RE: Dream Hardware 2: Electric Bugaloo megazone Jun-21-01 21
                     RE: Dream Hardware 2: Electric Bugaloo Wedge Jun-21-01 22
                         RE: Dream Hardware 2: Electric Bugaloo megazone Jun-21-01 23
                             RE: Dream Hardware 2: Electric Bugaloo Star Ranger4 Jun-22-01 24

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Dreamshadow
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1. "RE: Dream Hardware 2: Electric Bugaloo"
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Honestly, I'd love to have a Plymouth Prowler (one of the pre 2000 models). To me, that car just exudes style points. Of course, I don't know what its maintenence track record is....

On a less specific note, I'd love to own a hovercraft of some sort. A two or four person machine. I couldn't drive it down a street, but it'd be fun in the more open areas of Texas.

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10. "RE: Dream Hardware 2: Electric Bugaloo"
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   Perhaps the only real problem with the Prowler is that it was designed around appearanace as opposed to performance. I've heard reports from several reliable sources who've had major issues with everything from its handling to the harmonics of the engine.

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2. "RE: Dream Hardware 2: Electric Bugaloo"
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   The Mustang Mach 1. 1969 model.

That was a car the likes of which you may never see again. Looked like a sports car, ran like a muscle car, handled like an Indy car, and about as roomy as a Taurus. Nearly the perfect vehicle.

If I ever find one, even in horrible condition, I might just consider learning how to restore a car...

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3. "RE: Dream Hardware 2: Electric Bugaloo"
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   I'm very fond of motor vehicles, so a dream collection list would be pretty long, but I've already got one of my dream cars, so I suppose I ought to show contentment with my lot in life and nominate it here: a 1962 Chevrolet Impala coupe. It's nothing fancy, not tricked out, won't go 200 miles an hour, doesn't change colors, lacks rocket launchers, not even the SS model - it's got a 283 and a four-speed Muncie, and is in desperate need of a paint job that I haven't had the time to go up to Maine and sand it up for - but it's a long, low, sleek machine, with clean lines and that nifty convertible-top shape to the roof, and it has its full share of that wonderful old-car smell.

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4. "RE: Dream Hardware 2: Electric Bugaloo"
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   Again, I must go for the heinous. And for me, that would be the late 90's Chevrolet Impala SS.

The name is actually a misnomer; it is effectively a Chevy Caprice. So the story goes, the Caprice was such a gas hog that GM would have to pay the gas guzzler tax on them unless they cerated a model of the Caprice that was more fuel efficient. The problem with the car, besides the obvious tonnage, was a suboptimal powerplant. So they looked around for an efficient engine that could move the monster.

The found said engine, under the hood of their own Corvette. For a Corvette engine to be that powerful and still fit under the hood, it has to be very efficient.

From there, they just followed through with making a sport suspension, sport wheels, and the like. Effectively, it's built like a sports car with twice the size (in case you wanted to smuggle Cleveland in your trunk).

All it needs are light bars and a siren...


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5. "RE: Dream Hardware 2: Electric Bugaloo"
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   I want one of the two 1969 Corvettes that came from the factory with the RPO
ZL-1 all aluminum 427 cubic inch Mark IV big block engine.
Lighter than a small block; rated at 435 horsepower, conservative estimates put it at a real world number of 600+, could run high 10s on 70s era bias belted drag slicks, and it's got 4 wheel independant suspension and disc brakes.
If that's not enough, a pair of phone calls to Lingenfelter Engineering and Baer Racing would take care of things quite nicely.
I honestly prefer the '67 Corvette body, but it never got the ZL-1, and the L-88 doesn't measure up. I also prefer the '69 Camaro body, and, though there were, by odd coincidence, 69 '69 ZL-1s, they lack the indy rear.
Other choices: '69 Baldwin-Motion Camaro (uh... does dealer modding count as produced?) '70 Hemi Superbird, '70 Hemi Challenger (in white, of course! Takin' it to the Vanishing Point).
I could go into a rash of airplanes and military vehicles, but the heck with it, this is turning into a car thread and besides, dood's got a point. Even with the maintenance paid for, what're we gonna do with 'em? Though an Mi-24 would make a helluva statement as an executive helicopter. Think about it, just put a little mini-bar and some couches and carpeting and sound deadener in the troop carrying cabin...

TRB

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6. "RE: Dream Hardware 2: Electric Bugaloo"
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   There's this thing I just learned about today. It's a giant 40-foot wingspan, frameless _thing_, basically a giant boomerang-shaped kite. It's got two wires leading up to a lightweight leather harness (where you sit), and it takes a 15 mph breeze and 100 feet of running to get airborne. Then you fly it like a sailplane: no motors, just hunt out updrafts. It's fincredible to watch (saw a video).

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7. "RE: Dream Hardware 2: Electric Bugaloo"
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   good question. It'd be hard to decide between a hovercraft, a real delorian, or about any of the various incarnations of the 'batmobile'

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8. "RE: Dream Hardware 2: Electric Bugaloo"
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   A midnight blue Vector M12. I'd use it to deliver pizzas.

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9. "RE: Dream Hardware 2: Electric Bugaloo"
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   Vector makes in-tuh-rist-ing cars. Can't argue with the Vector AVTECH... -1000- HP Twin Turbo V-8. Now that's all American engineering.
Still, I think exotics are mostly status symbols. With perserverance, advice from people who know their stuff, and hard work, you can make almost any car you choose just as quick, fast, and corner-burning for far less total cash outlay.

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12. "RE: Dream Hardware 2: Electric Bugaloo"
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   >Vector makes in-tuh-rist-ing cars. Can't argue with the Vector
>AVTECH... -1000- HP Twin Turbo V-8. Now that's all American
>engineering.
>Still, I think exotics are mostly status symbols. With perserverance,
>advice from people who know their stuff, and hard work, you can make
>almost any car you choose just as quick, fast, and corner-burning for
>far less total cash outlay.

Yes, but:
1) Cash isn't an issue in this discussion. If it was I'd instead be ranting about how I can't afford to keep my '90 Taurus in anything beyond barely working order.
2) I happen to like the way the M12 looks.

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13. "RE: Dream Hardware 2: Electric Bugaloo"
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   >Yes, but:
>1) Cash isn't an issue in this discussion. If it was I'd instead be
>ranting about how I can't afford to keep my '90 Taurus in anything
>beyond barely working order.
>2) I happen to like the way the M12 looks.
>
>Polychrome

You are correct, sir. The only reason I considered practicality is because I don't like cars that spend as much time in the shop as they do on the street, which many of the exotic supercars do.

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14. "RE: Dream Hardware 2: Electric Bugaloo"
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>
>Yes, but:
>1) Cash isn't an issue in this discussion. If it was I'd instead be
>ranting about how I can't afford to keep my '90 Taurus in anything
>beyond barely working order.
>2) I happen to like the way the M12 looks.
>
>Polychrome

I like Vector's bodystyling too, though I'm more partial to the AVTECH and the W8 (even the old W2) than the M12. Please don't ask me to quantify why, it's just the ways of mine eyes B-)
I wasn't criticizing your choice, at all. More I was criticizing my own. For the $500,000 the AVTECH costs (or the million or two the original ZL-1 'Vettes must be worth, for that matter) I could conspire to build multiple examples of equal or greater vehicles. That I would probably enjoy more, personally.
And, even when unlimited resources are assumed, I can't always manage to suppress my affectation for doing it just as well with less, where possible B-)

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11. "RE: Dream Hardware 2: Electric Bugaloo"
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   LAST EDITED ON Jun-17-01 AT 12:36 PM (EDT)

Hmm... moi? Lil ol me?

Well.. in my case I'm somewhat torn between my practical side and my excessive 'gimmee toys'! side. I would have to say, after a fair amount of deliberation, that my ultimate dream car would have to be one of the earliest incarnations of the 'Datsun' Fairlady Z to come out here, before they wimped out and changed the model line's name to '240Z' here.

A combination of large engine displacement for her frame, turbo facility and a body that was pretty much five to ten years ahead of her time. She still looks incredible by today's standards.

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15. "RE: Dream Hardware 2: Electric Bugaloo"
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Hm. Much as I'd like some really exotic stuff -- such as any of the so-called 'Flying Cars' (none of which really do the job adequately, if you ask me, but oh well), or the just plain big-'n'-ugly (a Hummer, for example) -- I'd have to go with either:

a) A DeLorean, stick shift (of course), with the engine replaced with something that actually -works-. The beefiest mod I've heard of (since this stuff has to actually exist) is a DeLorean tricked out with an Acura NSX engine. I believe the tranny was also replaced (don't see how it couldn't be), but I don't know with what.

b) An '84 Firebird, black, with electric blue OR silver pinstriping/detailing. Ooooh. Pretty.

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16. "RE: Dream Hardware 2: Electric Bugaloo"
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   *sigh*

1988 Pontiac Firebird.. w/stereo mod, dual exhaust..

also known as the Very Black Car.

dad had one.. sold it to some teenage punk.. I saw it a couple weeks ago.. it had.. *sobs* rust on it.


that, and my 1979 GMC Jimmy.. bloody huge, bloody ugly.. I wanna restore it, eventually.. put a larger engine in it, have the body damage replaced.. stereo fixed.. all the little shite.

but by god that vehicle's fun.. huge summer meats (well, only 11" wide, so not huge), in the middle of winter.. it's like driving a hockey puck.

a hockey puck that doesn't take damage from sliding sideways into hyundais or hondas.. *Evil Grin*

I miss my truck.
I miss my car.


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17. "RE: Dream Hardware 2: Electric Bugaloo"
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   >Hm. Much as I'd like some really exotic stuff -- such as any of the
>so-called 'Flying Cars' (none of which really do the job adequately,
>if you ask me, but oh well), or the just plain big-'n'-ugly (a Hummer,
>for example) -- I'd have to go with either:

http://www.moller.com/

The Skycar. It's real, it works, and it actually gets better mileage than some sportscars.

Blessed be.
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18. "RE: Dream Hardware 2: Electric Bugaloo"
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   >http://www.moller.com/
>
>The Skycar. It's real, it works, and it actually gets better mileage
>than some sportscars.

You can't buy one, and I've seen this kind of gushy marketing material for well-intentioned prototypes before. Many, many times before.

File under "believe when I see one in somebody's driveway".

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19. "RE: Dream Hardware 2: Electric Bugaloo"
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   >http://www.moller.com/
>
>The Skycar. It's real, it works, and it actually gets better mileage

Kinda, no it doesn't, and no one can say.

I've been seeing material on Moller's Skycar for at *least* a decade now. Every few years Popular Mechanics and/or Popular Science have a slow news month and dredge up the flying car story - and Moller is in there.

In all those years they still haven't flow a working prototype. They've flow a disc which a bunch of lift engines but not their Skycar. Only recently they've begun engine tests. It remains to be seen if it really works as planned, if they even manage to get it up and and free flight for that matter. And, if they do, how it will perform.

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20. "RE: Dream Hardware 2: Electric Bugaloo"
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   >In all those years they still haven't flow a working prototype.
>They've flow a disc which a bunch of lift engines but not their
>Skycar. Only recently they've begun engine tests. It remains to be
>seen if it really works as planned, if they even manage to get it up
>and and free flight for that matter. And, if they do, how it will
>perform.

The website states they've flown the two seat M400 a few times, but there's a decided lack of photographic documentation of said events. That I could find, anyway.

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21. "RE: Dream Hardware 2: Electric Bugaloo"
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   >The website states they've flown the two seat M400 a few times, but
>there's a decided lack of photographic documentation of said events.
>That I could find, anyway.

Cite please.

I read they they flew a *model* of the M400. And elsewhere on the site they make a big deal out of the *upcoming* first flight tests.

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22. "RE: Dream Hardware 2: Electric Bugaloo"
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   >I read they they flew a *model* of the M400.

Ahh, I misread the model bit.

"Moller has developed, built, and flown a two passenger prototype model of a volantor." (http://www.moller.com/skycar/m400/)

Wow, that's rather dubiously worded, isn't it?

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23. "RE: Dream Hardware 2: Electric Bugaloo"
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   >>I read they they flew a *model* of the M400.
>
>Ahh, I misread the model bit.
>
>"Moller has developed, built, and flown a two passenger prototype
>model of a volantor." (http://www.moller.com/skycar/m400/)
>
>Wow, that's rather dubiously worded, isn't it?

Ayup.

Moller is famous for carefully wording things...

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24. "RE: Dream Hardware 2: Electric Bugaloo"
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   Nor does it take into account that even if it DOES fly, it still needs FAA approval before they can sell it as well.

For flying vehicles, I'd have to go with the good Old Harrier. Proven tech, and they did say that someone else was providing the maintenance. ^_^

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