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"Corwin & Akio"
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Ever since reading "Interlud at the Hotel Monolith," I've had a song stuck in my head whenever I think of Corwin: Nickelback's "Just For," off the _Silver_Side_Up_ CD (Track 5, for those who care). It helps that I heard it for the first time while re-reading Corwin's near-explosion scene in "Christmas Rose," but it fits even better now -- I haven't been able to think of a song that resonates more with the sheer howling _rage_ that Corwin was giving off after Utena finally told him the whole story. Frankly, I find myself looking forward to an all-out, no-holds-barred Corwin-v-Akio match. I suppose that's unlikely to happen, given that Utena has "first dibs," so to speak, and a pre-Ascension Corwin might not have the kind of power required, but that doesn't stop me from daydreaming. Still, I _am_ a bit concerned about one thing: back in "Christmas Rose," when Corwin nearly swore to kill Kate's ex-'boyfriend,' he commented that he had been "about to do something really stupid" after Utena stopped him. This time, I note, he completed the entire oath...but I can't help thinking there's a catch. Corwin being who and what he is, I have to wonder: what happens to him if he _fails_? In most legends and fantasies, oaths made in haste almost always come back to haunt one, and I can't help but think that Corwin might, just possibly, have set himself up for a fall. I'm not sure just what might be counted by whomever keeps track of such oaths (Odin?) as a failure...but I just have this nagging feeling that Corwin has put himself at risk, somehow. Ah, well. I supposed we'll find out in due course. |
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Offsides
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Dec-28-01, 01:06 PM (EDT) |
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1. "RE: Corwin & Akio"
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> Still, I _am_ a bit concerned about one thing: back in "Christmas
>Rose," when Corwin nearly swore to kill Kate's ex-'boyfriend,' he
>commented that he had been "about to do something really stupid" after
>Utena stopped him. This time, I note, he completed the entire
>oath...but I can't help thinking there's a catch. Corwin being who
>and what he is, I have to wonder: what happens to him if he _fails_?
>In most legends and fantasies, oaths made in haste almost always come
>back to haunt one, and I can't help but think that Corwin might, just
>possibly, have set himself up for a fall. I'm not sure just what
>might be counted by whomever keeps track of such oaths (Odin?) as a
>failure...but I just have this nagging feeling that Corwin has put
>himself at risk, somehow.
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Well, this time he didn't say it out loud - he only thought it. And while he may hold himself to it, I doubt anyone else could - after all, there's no witnesses (and the universe counts) outside his own head, and very rarely are people held accountable for just their thoughts (Psi Corps notwithstanding). I had a similar thought to you until I realized that difference...That being said, it will be interesting to see what happens... Offsides #include <oaths.h> #91;...#93; in order to be a realist you must believe in miracles.
-- David Ben Gurion
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zojojojo
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Dec-28-01, 01:44 PM (EDT) |
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2. "RE: Corwin & Akio"
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>> Still, I _am_ a bit concerned about one thing: back in "Christmas
>>Rose," when Corwin nearly swore to kill Kate's ex-'boyfriend,' he
>>commented that he had been "about to do something really stupid" after
>>Utena stopped him. This time, I note, he completed the entire
>>oath...but I can't help thinking there's a catch. Corwin being who
>>and what he is, I have to wonder: what happens to him if he _fails_?
>>In most legends and fantasies, oaths made in haste almost always come
>>back to haunt one, and I can't help but think that Corwin might, just
>>possibly, have set himself up for a fall. I'm not sure just what
>>might be counted by whomever keeps track of such oaths (Odin?) as a
>>failure...but I just have this nagging feeling that Corwin has put
>>himself at risk, somehow.
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>Well, this time he didn't say it out loud - he only thought it. And
>while he may hold himself to it, I doubt anyone else could - after
>all, there's no witnesses (and the universe counts) outside his own
>head, and very rarely are people held accountable for just their
>thoughts (Psi Corps notwithstanding). I had a similar thought to you
>until I realized that difference... mmm.... I think that blood oaths work differently from you or I saying "I swear I"m going to feed his entrails to Cerberus" or what have you... methinks that the World Engine logs these things as Divine Imperetive or something... Maybe the Ultimate Force (if it exists in UF) keeps track of these things? Which leads to the question of what happens when he's outside its influence, like, for instance, in the Tenth World? >That being said, it will be interesting to see what happens... Indeed it will... -Z ---
We are Dyslexic of Borg. Your ass will be laminated. -Z
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Shadowhavoc
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Dec-28-01, 02:05 PM (EDT) |
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3. "RE: Corwin & Akio"
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>mmm.... I think that blood oaths work differently from you or I saying
>"I swear I"m going to feed his entrails to Cerberus" or what have
>you... methinks that the World Engine logs these things as Divine
>Imperetive or something... Maybe the Ultimate Force (if it exists in
>UF) keeps track of these things? Which leads to the question of what
>happens when he's outside its influence, like, for instance, in the
>Tenth World?
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I find that when you make an oath, no matter what kind, you best have the ability to back it up, and if or when he passes the test to become a god, Corwin will have the power to back up his words. Nevertheless, he should be a bit more careful about them. And yes, it would be an interesting thing to imagine.
Round One, FIGHT!
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Gryphon
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Dec-28-01, 03:06 PM (EDT) |
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4. "RE: Corwin & Akio"
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>mmm.... I think that blood oaths work differently from you or I saying
>"I swear I"m going to feed his entrails to Cerberus" or what have
>you... methinks that the World Engine logs these things as Divine
>Imperetive or something... Maybe the Ultimate Force (if it exists in
>UF) keeps track of these things? Maybe, maybe not. Either way, Corwin didn't swear a blood oath to kill Akio. --G.
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zojojojo
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Dec-28-01, 03:14 PM (EDT) |
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5. "RE: Corwin & Akio"
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>>mmm.... I think that blood oaths work differently from you or I saying
>>"I swear I"m going to feed his entrails to Cerberus" or what have
>>you... methinks that the World Engine logs these things as Divine
>>Imperetive or something... Maybe the Ultimate Force (if it exists in
>>UF) keeps track of these things?
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>Maybe, maybe not. Either way, Corwin didn't swear a blood oath to
>kill Akio. Does he know that? (I ask because he sounded rather serious about it when he was fuming...) -Z ---
We are Dyslexic of Borg. Your ass will be laminated. -Z
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Gryphon
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Dec-28-01, 03:19 PM (EDT) |
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7. "RE: Corwin & Akio"
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>>Maybe, maybe not. Either way, Corwin didn't swear a blood oath to
>>kill Akio.
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>Does he know that? (I ask because he sounded rather serious about it
>when he was fuming...) Uh... it's impossible to swear a blood oath accidentally. Does he make himself bleed, or even mention blood anywhere? At the risk of seeming a bit snippy: Duh. :) --G.
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zojojojo
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Dec-28-01, 03:47 PM (EDT) |
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8. "RE: Corwin & Akio"
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>>>Maybe, maybe not. Either way, Corwin didn't swear a blood oath to
>>>kill Akio.
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>>Does he know that? (I ask because he sounded rather serious about it
>>when he was fuming...)
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>Uh... it's impossible to swear a blood oath accidentally. Does he
>make himself bleed, or even mention blood anywhere? My bad... I was confusing that with with the real blood oath he swore a few minutes earlier.. >At the risk of seeming a bit snippy: Duh. :) eh... 's what I get for not checking my references before posting... -Z ---
We are Dyslexic of Borg. Your ass will be laminated. -Z
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Gryphon
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Dec-28-01, 03:18 PM (EDT) |
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6. "RE: Corwin & Akio"
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> Still, I _am_ a bit concerned about one thing: back in "Christmas
>Rose," when Corwin nearly swore to kill Kate's ex-'boyfriend,' he
>commented that he had been "about to do something really stupid" after
>Utena stopped him. This time, I note, he completed the entire
>oath...True, though not out loud. Anyway, the circumstances are sufficiently different here that Corwin doesn't feel the promise he made in Monolith was a foolish one. Admittedly, it may be overshadowed in his mind by the blood oath he swore in that same story, which is, to him, very much the more important of the two promises on an absolute scale, since - unlike the "I'll kill Akio" one - it doesn't have an end condition; it goes on forever. Still, vowing to kill a genuine capital-V Villain like Akio Ohtori is a different kettle of fish from vowing to kill some random creep like Mike Carpenter, and as a Valkyrie, Corwin is well aware of that distinction. >but I can't help thinking there's a catch. Corwin being who
>and what he is, I have to wonder: what happens to him if he _fails_? Given that he'd have had to enter into open conflict with Akio Ohtori and then fail to defeat him in order to do that, he'd have bigger problems than a broken promise. --G.
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drakensisthered
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Dec-28-01, 06:19 PM (EDT) |
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9. "RE: Corwin & Akio"
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>Given that he'd have had to enter into open conflict with Akio Ohtori
>and then fail to defeat him in order to do that, he'd have bigger
>problems than a broken promise.
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The other valkyries would NEVER let him live it down, even if Akio didn't do something unpleasant.
drakensisthered
SHE'S the 'Pirate Killer,' 'Klingon Spooker,' 'Big Trouble in a Little Package,' 'She Who Must be Avoided,' and 'Go Around the Other Side of the Nebula.' I'm the dumb blonde comic relief. |
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SliderDF
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Dec-28-01, 09:26 PM (EDT) |
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10. "RE: Corwin & Akio"
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>The other valkyries would NEVER let him live it down, even if Akio
>didn't do something unpleasant. BAD MENTAL IMAGE #57: Akio Ohtori... as Bueno Excellente. (Those who've read Hitman from DC Comics will cringe, but the detailed explanation for the others can wait until the watershed hour.) ... Hey kids! This is Slider's "that can't be right" portion of his brain kicking in! (applause) Akio may be an insane power-mad incestuous sundered spirit, but he's got class. Bueno, on the other hand... SliderDF
The things you think of when your allergy medicine kicks in
"Heh, heh... bueno." |
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Shadowhavoc
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Dec-28-01, 11:09 PM (EDT) |
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11. "RE: Corwin & Akio"
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>>The other valkyries would NEVER let him live it down, even if Akio
>>didn't do something unpleasant.
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>BAD MENTAL IMAGE #57:
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>Akio Ohtori... as Bueno Excellente.
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>(Those who've read Hitman from DC Comics will cringe, but the detailed
>explanation for the others can wait until the watershed hour.)
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>...
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>Hey kids! This is Slider's "that can't be right" portion of his brain
>kicking in! (applause)
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>Akio may be an insane power-mad incestuous sundered spirit, but he's
>got class. Bueno, on the other hand...
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>SliderDF
>The things you think of when your allergy medicine kicks in
>"Heh, heh... bueno." Now I remember why I don't surf the net while under the influence of drugs or alcohol anymore.
How many brain cells can I kill anyway?
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