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"2013.07.10: Two Visionaries"
 
   So Phil and I were talking about Avatar: The Last Airbender, and, well, this happened.

<Z-Gryphon> Given all that goes on in [Zuko's] life in the third season, one has to say becoming Fire Lord was probably not a really good career move. He obviously needs to go into a line of work where his uncanny talent for making everything worse is an -asset-, such as being the lead guitarist in a fractious and headline-making rock band.
<Z-Gryphon> "The Phoënix Kïngs are fortunate in that they have TWO visionaries."
<Z-Gryphon> ("I don't think the problem is that the band was down, I don't think that was it at all. I think you'll find that the PROBLEM was that there was a Walled City of Ba Sing Se on the stage that was in IMMINENT DANGER of being CRUSHED by a DWARF.")
<Philip-M> *snrk*
<Z-Gryphon> ... yes, in fact, I think from now on my preferred way of envisioning Ozai's children after the series will be to assume that they went on to be the perpetually feuding frontpersons of the world's most preposterously dramatic rock band.
<Z-Gryphon> constantly skating the ragged edge of breakup and using instability for maneuverability like an idiotically twitchy fighter plane along the way. :)
<Philip-M> *snort* in some alternate universe, perhaps. :)
* Z-Gryphon flashes back to the "VH1 Behind the Music" ep about the Jefferson Airplane/Starship
<Z-Gryphon> in which, older and greyer, they're all sitting on a couch, and Marty Balin (I think) says, "I think the real problem was probably that we were all sleeping with Grace," and all the others (including Grace) nod sagely in agreement.
<Z-Gryphon> :)
<Philip-M> Aghble. :)

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  RE: 2013.07.10: Two Visionaries Mercutio Jul-11-13 1
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1. "RE: 2013.07.10: Two Visionaries"
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   LAST EDITED ON Jul-11-13 AT 02:53 AM (EDT)
 
><Z-Gryphon> Given all that goes on in [Zuko's] life in the
>third season, one has to say becoming Fire Lord was probably not a
>really good career move. He obviously needs to go into a line of work
>where his uncanny talent for making everything worse is an -asset-,

In point of fact, in the post-series comics Sokka explicitly hangs the title of "Bad Decision Lord" on Zuko. :)

(Said comics may or may not be worth your time now that you're done with the series, by the way. They're... uneven, and fail to deal with the most interesting issues they raise. The Promise does introduce a character by the name of Kori Morishita, a Fire Nation noble who is simultaneously an Earthbender and sees no contradiction between the two. She might be right up your alley.)

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4. "RE: 2013.07.10: Two Visionaries"
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   LAST EDITED ON Jul-11-13 AT 11:45 AM (EDT)
 
>><Z-Gryphon> Given all that goes on in [Zuko's] life in the
>>third season, one has to say becoming Fire Lord was probably not a
>>really good career move. He obviously needs to go into a line of work
>>where his uncanny talent for making everything worse is an -asset-,

>
>In point of fact, in the post-series comics Sokka explicitly hangs the
>title of "Bad Decision Lord" on Zuko. :)

It suits him. It's a shame that Uncle Iroh, somewhere in his unending stream of wisdom, never thought to mention to him that his best course of action going forward would probably be to pause and calculate the geometric opposite of his first impulse, then go with that. Iroh's a great fella and a fountain of useful knowledge, but what Zuko actually needed as a spirit guide was probably something more like Foghorn Leghorn. "Look at me when Ah'm talkin' ta you, boah. You gotta, Ah say, you gotta pay attention to these things. (He's a nice kid, but he's about as sharp as a sack'a wet mice.)"

As for his sister, well... Phil disagrees with me (and insists that we must Wait for the Official Word on such matters anyway), but I think what that girl really needs is a nice tall glass of cold cactus juice and a diligent seeing-to, in that order. Phil disapproves of my cheerful resort to cliché, but I say sometimes you have to go with the classics. :)

(And no, I'm not volunteering. I don't get hazard pay. Azalynn's up for it, though, she loves a project.)

>(Said comics may or may not be worth your time now that you're done
>with the series, by the way.

Eh, my time isn't worth much in the summer. My cash flow, on the other hand... :)

--G.
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5. "RE: 2013.07.10: Two Visionaries"
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   >As for his sister, well... Phil disagrees with me (and insists that we
>must Wait for the Official Word on such matters anyway), but I think
>what that girl really needs is a nice tall glass of cold cactus juice
>and a diligent seeing-to, in that order. Phil disapproves of my
>cheerful resort to cliché, but I say sometimes you have to go with
>the classics. :)

On the whole I think Phil is more likely to be right, but there's at least a case to be made that if you got Azula to the point where she would cooperate with this plan, she'd be feeling a lot better already. :)


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6. "RE: 2013.07.10: Two Visionaries"
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   LAST EDITED ON Jul-11-13 AT 07:27 PM (EDT)
 
>>As for his sister, well... Phil disagrees with me (and insists that we
>>must Wait for the Official Word on such matters anyway), but I think
>>what that girl really needs is a nice tall glass of cold cactus juice
>>and a diligent seeing-to, in that order.
>
>On the whole I think Phil is more likely to be right

Oh, I fully expect he is. That's just me. On some level I want to like Azula, but I can't as long as her flavor of the crazy is mainly about murder. I just find hallucinogen-fueled manic hedonism a lot more approachable, I guess. :)

Good cactus juice comes on slow. The first hour is all waiting, then about halfway through the second hour you start cursing the fool who told you about it, because nothing is happening... and then ZANG! Fiendish intensity, strange glow and vibrations... a very heavy gig in a place like the Misty Palms Oasis.
- excerpt from Fear and Loathing in the Earth Kingdom

--G.
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8. "RE: 2013.07.10: Two Visionaries"
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   >On some level I want to like Azula, but I can't as long as
>her flavor of the crazy is mainly about murder.

I think this may have been precisely the effect the ATLA writers were going for.

>Good cactus juice comes on slow. The first hour is all
>waiting, then about halfway through the second hour you start cursing
>the fool who told you about it, because nothing is happening... and
>then ZANG! Fiendish intensity, strange glow and vibrations... a very
>heavy gig in a place like the Misty Palms Oasis.
> - excerpt from Fear and Loathing in the Earth Kingdom

... now I've got a mental image of UF-Raoul Duke wandering around with the "secret tunnel" nomad guys. (Or did Sokka take a turn for the gonzo later in life, you think?)


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28. "RE: 2013.07.10: Two Visionaries"
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   >>>As for his sister, well... Phil disagrees with me (and insists that we
>>>must Wait for the Official Word on such matters anyway), but I think
>>>what that girl really needs is a nice tall glass of cold cactus juice
>>>and a diligent seeing-to, in that order.
>>
>>On the whole I think Phil is more likely to be right
>
>Oh, I fully expect he is. That's just me. On some level I
>want to like Azula, but I can't as long as her flavor of the
>crazy is mainly about murder. I just find hallucinogen-fueled manic
>hedonism a lot more approachable, I guess. :)

Another thought I had the other day was that I'd be completely up for it if, instead of (or, ideally, in addition to!) manic hedonism, Azula also became a Mad Inventor after her spell in the crazy bucket. I picture her installed in a well-equipped but secluded dojo-cum-workshop someplace on the palace grounds, cheerfully inventing (or reinventing - she's probably had some memory problems regarding things that happened before Comet Day, poor girl) hilariously ill-advised firebending Power Stunts (for those of you who remember the %ile-dice Marvel Super Heroes RPG).

"Day 11, test 37, configuration 2.0... for lack of a better option, Dummy is still on fire safety." She turned a warning glance to Sokka. "If you douse me again and I'm not on fire, I'm donating you to the anatomy lab at Fire Nation Med."

"... No, see, this is where I don't want to be... eeeeee, nottheancientscrollsnottheancientscrolls, yyyyyyikes... OK, no, OK, we're fine, could be worse, could be worse... "

--G.
"Nuh - ah-ah-ah-ah! ... Yeah. I can fly."
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29. "RE: 2013.07.10: Two Visionaries"
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   Now I'm suddenly remembering the classic MERP/Rolemaster crit tables:

"Day 13: Target devoured by a hellfire of which even I am frightened. All combustibles within 10 feet ignited. Little remained when the fire died."


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30. "RE: 2013.07.10: Two Visionaries"
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   Azula: "Behold: MISTER COFFEE!"
Mai: "...who gave her coffee?"
Zuko: "Mai, I'm scared. Hold me?"
Azula: "And now to taste test it, my assistant will bring in an impartial observer!"
Aang: "Uh... hi? Oh, so what's this I'm going to drink?"
Everyone: "Oh spirits, _noooooo_!"

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31. "RE: 2013.07.10: Two Visionaries"
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   Ah, so Azula is a Heterodyne?

http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20070618
http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20070620
http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20070622
http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20070625

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32. "RE: 2013.07.10: Two Visionaries"
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   >"Day 11, test 37, configuration 2.0... for lack of a better
>option, Dummy is still on fire safety." She turned a warning glance
>to Sokka. "If you douse me again and I'm not on fire, I'm
>donating you to the anatomy lab at Fire Nation Med."

Ty Lee slid the door open and examined the pair of entangled bodies. She raised an eyebrow. Azula, managing to remove her cleavage from Sokka's face, merely glared back.

"Let's face it, this is not the worst thing you've caught me doing."

>"Nuh - ah-ah-ah-ah! ... Yeah. I can fly."

Zuko makes a pretty bad Tony Stark, but... well, here. 1.15 to 1.22 or so.

-Merc
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33. "RE: 2013.07.10: Two Visionaries"
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   >"Let's face it, this is not the worst thing you've caught me
>doing."

"Classic... narcissist? Agreed... "

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34. "RE: 2013.07.10: Two Visionaries"
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   I have to say, I really liked Azula -- any bad guy who actually claps when you say "if you're evil and you know it, clap your hands!" tends to be enjoyable to watch (c.f. Hannibal Chau). Azula, though, gives herself a standing ovation.

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35. "RE: 2013.07.10: Two Visionaries"
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   >I have to say, I really liked Azula -- any bad guy who actually claps
>when you say "if you're evil and you know it, clap your hands!" tends
>to be enjoyable to watch (c.f. Hannibal Chau). Azula, though, gives
>herself a standing ovation.

I'd like to be able to protest that Azula's not evil, she's crazy, but... well... yeah, she's actually both. It's a shame.

On the other hand, was evil ever so adorable?

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41. "RE: 2013.07.10: Two Visionaries"
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   >On the other hand, was evil ever so adorable?

Ah-ha! This has been nagging at the back of my mind since I started watching ATLA, "just who does Azula remind me of?", and your comment finally cemented it for me -- Azula makes me think of Flandre Scarlet, from Touhou Project, if given a chance to grow up and be social.

"This is probably a stupid question, but . . ."


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36. "RE: 2013.07.10: Two Visionaries"
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   Alternately,

>>"Day 11, test 37, configuration 2.0... for lack of a better
>>option, Dummy is still on fire safety." She turned a warning glance
>>to Sokka. "If you douse me again and I'm not on fire, I'm
>>donating you to the anatomy lab at Fire Nation Med."

>
>Ty Lee slid the door open and examined the pair of entangled
>bodies. She raised an eyebrow. Azula, managing to remove her cleavage
>from Sokka's face, merely glared back.
>
>"Let's face it, this is not the worst thing you've caught me
>doing."

"Sooo... still working on that plan for invading the Fire Nation, huh, Sokka?"

"Shut up."

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37. "RE: 2013.07.10: Two Visionaries"
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   LAST EDITED ON Sep-28-13 AT 07:53 PM (EDT)
 
Despite the lack of a clear historical record, interviews with all
involved generally agree that the greatest test of Sokka's endurance
and flexibility came during the first decade of the second century. He
was involved very closely in Commander Suki and Toph Beifong's
negotiations regarding establishing a Water Tribe presence in multiple
locales within the Earth Kingdom.

This would have strained the mind and tongue of any man were it his
only responsibility in the arena of civilized intercourse between the
nations at the time; however, during the ongoing rehabilitation of
Princess (nee Fire Lord) Azula, Sokka was frequently closeted with the
Princess and consulted relentlessly by her on the subject of occupation
of sovereign Fire Nation territories. No records of the exact content
of their conversations exist (indeed, all of the Princess' devices,
notes, experiments, diaries, and graffiti were eventually destroyed by
her brother as a threat to public order and mental hygiene) but,
according to the bodyguard and Lady Companion of the Princess, Ty Lee,
the discussions were "wide-ranging, inventive, and full of insight
and surprises on both sides. Not to say that blood wasn't sometimes
drawn, of course."

--from "Boomerang Diplomacy: A Water Tribe Swordsman in Lord Zuko's Court", Prof. Hong Fuzoku
Royal Fire Academy; Fire Nation, 250 ASC


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38. "RE: 2013.07.10: Two Visionaries"
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   Can I just say, don't let this go to your head, but the standard of innuendo here is very high. Nicely executed.

-G.
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39. "RE: 2013.07.10: Two Visionaries"
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   Danke. Very occasionally, I can manage to get out of my own way.

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40. "RE: 2013.07.10: Two Visionaries"
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   That's very special. Thank you.

D.


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42. "RE: 2013.07.10: Two Visionaries"
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>That's very special. Thank you.

Yes, there's some quite good phrasing there, isn't there? For instance, one does rather expect one would be consulted fairly relentlessly, under the circumstances.

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43. "RE: 2013.07.10: Two Visionaries"
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   I was worried I was pushing it with "civilized intercourse between the nations" but it was both appropriately academical-sounding and worked as a pun on a lot of levels.

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44. "RE: 2013.07.10: Two Visionaries"
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   >I was worried I was pushing it with "civilized intercourse between the
>nations" but it was both appropriately academical-sounding and worked
>as a pun on a lot of levels.

It's an encouraging sign vis-à-vis the princess's always fraught relationship with her brother that she would take such an active role in realizing his long-cherished dream of a rapprochement between the Fire Nation and Water Tribes. In fact, it could be argued that she accomplished more in that regard than he did himself, which is a surprising achievement from so perennially undiplomatic a figure as Princess Azula.

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45. "RE: 2013.07.10: Two Visionaries"
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   >XCOM mission name: Operation RELENTLESS CONSULTANT

What, they sent Dr. Vahlen at the aliens and let her nag them to death?

I'm pretty sure that violates one or more sections of the Geneva Conventions.

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   Oh, like that ever mattered to Dr. Warcrimes.

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   I didn't know Diqiu even had a Uganda...

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48. "RE: 2013.07.10: Two Visionaries"
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   [Well, what the hell, I keep thinking of these riffs on - I'm not sure why - Marvel movies; might as well not fight it.]

>--from "Boomerang Diplomacy: A Water Tribe Swordsman in Lord Zuko's
>Court", Prof. Hong Fuzoku
>Royal Fire Academy; Fire Nation, 250 ASC

As an aside, this is an excellent work on the subject with much to recommend it in terms of its scholarship and the delicacy of its innuendo, but Sokka's own memoir of his time in the Fire Nation, Crazy from the Heat, is much funnier and has considerably better illustrations. It's tied for the title of "Sokka's second-best book" with his chronicle of his travels with Toph, The Adventures of Snow Savage and Dirt Girl.

First place, of course, goes to his all-time classic memoir of the end of the Hundred Years' War, Love in the Time of Space Sword.

"I don't think we should be focusing on Azula," Aang mused. "That girl's brain is like a bagful of cats, you can smell the crazy on her."

Zuko glared at him. "Mind your tone, Avatar. Azula might be beyond reason, but she's still a princess of the Fire Nation, and she's my sister."

Katara wasn't impressed. "She killed 80 people in two days," she said flatly.

Zuko hesitated, unable to argue that, and then said lamely, "... She's adopted?"

"Zuko, you lying sack," I jeered. "She is not."

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49. "RE: 2013.07.10: Two Visionaries"
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   >As an aside, this is an excellent work on the subject with much to
>recommend it in terms of its scholarship and the delicacy of its
>innuendo,

Innuendo? Sir, you slander him.

Professor Fuzoku is getting roundly sick and tired of the constant snickering from the undergrads, and has begun docking anyone who yells "That's what she said!" during any of his lectures an entire letter grade. Yes! That IS what she said! Toph Beifong was renowned for her ability at, and indeed, her enthusiasm for, taking on all comers! Day or night! Sometimes two at the same time! No less than five independent primary sources confirm it.

Hong Fuzoku is a scholar, a man well-endowed with wisdom who has plumbed the very depths of history and emerged spent but triumphant. His expertise and deft touch deserve respect. He will not be mocked for his perceived shortcomings.

Fortunately, he has a new book coming out soon. Building on the work done in Boomerang Diplomacy, Professor Fuzoku plans to explore in intimate, exhaustive detail the oft-abusive and always dysfunctional relationship between Fire Nationals and Water Tribesmen in the postwar era. It will focus mainly on the period from 100-125 ASC, with especial emphasis on Fire Lord Zuko's tumultuous, often passionate diplomatic tete-a-tetes with both of the famous children of Chief Hakoda as they attempted to come to an equitable agreement regarding both nations penetration into each others spheres of interest.

Steam Powered: Fire Lord Zuko's Congress with the Water Tribes will certainly not be mistaken for anything other than the work of serious scholarship it is. He's already begun planning the graduate seminar.

>Sokka's own memoir of his time in the Fire Nation,
>Crazy from the Heat, is much funnier and has considerably
>better illustrations. It's tied for the title of "Sokka's second-best
>book" with his chronicle of his travels with Toph, The Adventures
>of Snow Savage and Dirt Girl
.

Some feel that Sokka's later-in-life survey of that great mythological figure and good-luck charm of the Fire Nation army, To Wang Fire, Thanks for Everything, Ty Lee, is also a strong contender for the second-best slot.

Sadly, it was something of a flop on initial publication, with a limited print run. It was only half a century later, when Varrick Global Enterprises used it as the basis for the wildly popular Wang Fire mover serials (the first "talker", in fact, was a Wang Fire serial, Wang Fire and Piandao versus Nuktuk) that a second printing occurred. The people of the United Republic, somewhat to the consternation of actual Fire Nationals, took instantly to the bombastic-but-hilarious Fire Nation hero, and today the book can be found in any reputable bookstore, along with Wang Fire comics and paperback novels.

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9. "RE: 2013.07.10: Two Visionaries"
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>It suits him. It's a shame that Uncle Iroh, somewhere in his unending
>stream of wisdom, never thought to mention to him that his best course
>of action going forward would probably be to pause and calculate the
>geometric opposite of his first impulse, then go with that. Iroh's a
>great fella and a fountain of useful knowledge,

It's worth noting that a close watching of the series suggests a slightly less than flattering interpretation of Iroh; that while he is both wise and good now, less than ten years ago he was still hurling tens of thousands of men at Ba Sing Se in the service of Azulon (who I think we can all agree is pretty... special) and that as of ATLA he is still kind of figuring out how to be a good person without also being a loyal Fire Nation imperialist. A lot of his advice to Zuko was maybe him totally winging it and hoping, desperately, that maybe his nephew would turn out better than he and Ozai did.

>but what Zuko actually
>needed as a spirit guide was probably something more like Foghorn
>Leghorn. "Look at me when Ah'm talkin' ta you, boah. You gotta, Ah
>say, you gotta pay attention to these things. (He's a
>nice kid, but he's about as sharp as a sack'a wet mice.)
"

Pretty sure Toph spent a lot of time treating him like that, albeit off-screen. :)

>As for his sister, well... Phil disagrees with me (and insists that we
>must Wait for the Official Word on such matters anyway),

Phil and I have gone round-and-round on Azula more than once. She is far and away my favorite character in ATLA and in my top five best villains ever; I love her to death. (This is different from her being a person I find likable, which... no. Just no. Sociopathy isn't chic even on a Princess, dear.) But it can be hard to justify that love in the face of, you know, the war crimes.

>but I think
>what that girl really needs is a nice tall glass of cold cactus juice
>and a diligent seeing-to, in that order.

Uh. Wow. You, uh, may want to flip the order on that. I'm pretty sure after a tall glass of cactus juice you'd be incapable of giving meaningful consent to choice of pizza toppings, to say nothing of a, er, seeing-to.

Also, if it were that easy you'd think all that goth sex Zuko was having would have unwound him a little bit.

(Seriously, we all know what he and Mai were getting up to. "I want a big fancy fruit tart. With rose petals on top!" I don't know what kind of filthy Fire Nation sex act that's a euphemism for, but it sounds pretty kinky.)

>(And no, I'm not volunteering. I don't get hazard pay. Azalynn's up
>for it, though, she loves a project.)

Given that Azula is fourteen, Azalynn may want to farm that one out to someone less... statutory.

Ty Lee is probably up for the challenge, tho, and could definitely benefit from Azalynn's advice. Among other things, she needs to be informed that the direct approach ("But you're the most beautiful, smartest, perfect girl in the world!") sometimes needs to be slightly LESS direct. You don't wanna overshoot.

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10. "RE: 2013.07.10: Two Visionaries"
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   >Uh. Wow. You, uh, may want to flip the order on that. I'm pretty sure
>after a tall glass of cactus juice you'd be incapable of giving
>meaningful consent to choice of pizza toppings, to say nothing of a,
>er, seeing-to.

No, no, no. What do you take me for? The paperwork gets done ahead of time.

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18. "RE: 2013.07.10: Two Visionaries"
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   Heh, missed this the first time.

>>(And no, I'm not volunteering. I don't get hazard pay. Azalynn's up
>>for it, though, she loves a project.)
>
>Given that Azula is fourteen, Azalynn may want to farm that one out to
>someone less... statutory.

Oh, don't be such a slave to time. Time is not the boss of you! Rosalind Franklin's been dead since 1958 and she's still on the list.

>Ty Lee is probably up for the challenge, tho,

Hmm... maybe. When I think of those two, in particular, I find the chorus from Fall Out Boy's "A Little Less Sixteen Candles, a Little More 'Touch Me'" coming to mind: I don't blame you for being you, but you can't blame me for hating it...

>and could definitely benefit from Azalynn's advice.

Hmm. Well, Az does love a project. In this case, quite an involved one, since step 1 of preparing Ty Lee to undertake any such mission would be leveling her up about 20 times. On the other hand, the Motor Club would get its cars waxed very thoroughly.

Ye gods, now you've given me the mental image of Azalynn as a sort of erotic Mr. Miyagi - I bet that's a phrase no one's ever constructed before! - to Ty Lee's Daniel-san. "Learn how kiss... when learn how keep dry!" (SPLASH) "Hahahahaha!"

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20. "RE: 2013.07.10: Two Visionaries"
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>Oh, don't be such a slave to time. Time is not the boss of you!

Time might not be my boss, but she IS entropy's administrative assistant, and entropy has made it pretty clear that he can and will fire me one day.

>>and could definitely benefit from Azalynn's advice.
>
>Hmm. Well, Az does love a project. In this case, quite an involved
>one, since step 1 of preparing Ty Lee to undertake any such mission
>would be leveling her up about 20 times.

Maybe, maybe not. Ty Lee clearly knows how to do her some social engineering. She just isn't quite clear on how to apply those skills outside of "teenage boys who I want to buy me things." But that's already, like, three-quarters of the battle. And Ty Lee is already pretty spiritual, and in kind of a floofy way you'd think Azalynn would appreciate.

(Sidebar: one of the more common fan theories is that Ty Lee is descended of Airbenders in some form; it's a combination of her fighting style, general personality, weird off-the-wall spiritualism, and the fact that there is exactly one other person in the series with the same eye color she has, and that person is Aang.)

>she's usually more of a sexual Toshirō Mifune

The guy who worked himself to death, had no idea how to manage his money, and spent nearly half his life estranged from his greatest creative partner for ill-defined reasons?

Gosh. Azalynn has some DARK stuff going on under the surface. :)

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2. "RE: 2013.07.10: Two Visionaries"
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>So Phil and I were talking about Avatar: The Last Airbender,
>and, well, this happened.
>
><Z-Gryphon> Given all that goes on in [Zuko's] life in the
>third season, one has to say becoming Fire Lord was probably not a
>really good career move. He obviously needs to go into a line of work
>where his uncanny talent for making everything worse is an -asset-,
>such as being the lead guitarist in a fractious and headline-making
>rock band.

He could always become Spın̈al Tap's next drummer....

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   Frighteningly, the exact same thought occurred to me.

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7. "RE: 2013.07.10: Two Visionaries"
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   >Frighteningly, the exact same thought occurred to me.

I don't wish to seem like a tour guide, but that might be because the next several lines in the logfile were This Is Spinal Tap references. :)

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11. "RE: 2013.07.10: Two Visionaries"
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>>Frighteningly, the exact same thought occurred to me.
>
>I don't wish to seem like a tour guide, but that might be
>because the next several lines in the logfile were This Is Spinal
>Tap
references. :)
>

Oddly enough, I didn't make that connection until afterwards. It was immediately triggered by the concept of "Rock band + pyrokinetic".

And it's somehow fitting that this is the post that let the thread go to 11. :)

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14. "RE: 2013.07.10: Two Visionaries"
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   Sorry 'bout that. I was never the fastest on the uptake.

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12. "RE: 2013.07.10: Two Visionaries"
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   I've been meaning to ask, what finally got you to check out Avatar: TLA? Was it something that's been on your backlog for a while, did it take some convincing for you to check it out, or were you just introduced to it recently? I saw it when it first came out but I know some people probably passed over it because it was a kid's show on Nickelodeon of all networks. Doug Walker (of thatguywiththeglasses/Nostalgia Critic/Channel Awesome) just got in to the series recently and has been doing video reviews of each episode from the perspective of a movie/film critic. It's interesting to see his reactions and opinions of it.

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13. "RE: 2013.07.10: Two Visionaries"
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   >I've been meaning to ask, what finally got you to check out Avatar:
>TLA?

TiVos have this thing they do where they look at the category tags on stuff you've asked them to record, then go and record other things with similar tags whether you asked for them or not. Mine occasionally misreads my preferences based on the fact that a) I like very specific things and not entire genres and b) their tags are too broad anyway. So, for example, I'll ask it to get an episode of an animated show (e.g. Adventure Time), and it'll go, "Oh! You have children! I can help with that!" and start going on these massive broad-spectrum cartoon benders.

(This is not the worst example of this particular TiVo habit. A few years ago I had a Season Pass for Good Eats and got a couple episodes of a home improvement show, and, since it thinks all cooking shows are the same and doesn't know the difference between home improvement and decorating, it responded by saying, "Dude, why didn't you tell me you were gay?" and, well.)

Usually I just shovel out the suggestions box without watching any of this stuff, but in this case I actually watched a couple of things, one of which was interesting but deeply, reverberatingly confusing. I said to Phil, "dude, wtf" and the next thing I knew there were DVDs and stuff.

This is a bit of an oversimplification, but you get the general idea. :)

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15. "RE: 2013.07.10: Two Visionaries"
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   >>I've been meaning to ask, what finally got you to check out Avatar:
>>TLA?
>...
>This is a bit of an oversimplification, but you get the general idea.

I guess this is the point where I chime in that Peggy and I got into ATLA in a totally bass-ackwards way -- because we saw the live-action film first. In a theatre, even. And we came out of it and said to each other, "you know, that wasn't bad, you wanna check out the original cartoon thingy?" And within an hour we were in the local Barnes & Noble, where they had all three seasons' box sets on sale for $"c'mon, we're losing scads of money on this, buy it!" Which we did, and then we had a very intense hobby for the next month to six weeks.

And afterwards we 1) understood why the people who hated the movie when compared to the series felt that way, but still thought they were a little overboard in that hatred, and 2) really regretted knowing that we'd never get to see a live-action Toph.

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16. "RE: 2013.07.10: Two Visionaries"
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   My personal pick for that sadly-never-happening-character's actor would be Maisie Williams, aka That One Little Girl From Game Of Thrones Who Can And Will Fuck A Bitch Right The Hell Up.

Actually, thinking about it, Toph is probably described as That One Little Girl From That Weird Cartoon Who Can And Will Fuck A Bitch Right The Hell Up.

Might be a bit difficult to put on the business cards, though...

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   >Actually, thinking about it, Toph is probably described as That One
>Little Girl From That Weird Cartoon Who Can And Will Fuck A Bitch
>Right The Hell Up.
>
>Might be a bit difficult to put on the business cards, though...

Her Einherjar visiting-card describes her - possibly with some artistic license - as "Duchess of Gaoling, Surveyor of the Fire Lord's Pictures, and Instructor to Avatar Aang in Earthbending, Metalbending, and the Amorous Arts". It's a measure of her perversity, perhaps, that she included that last bit specifically to make Katara give her the Look - even though she will never see it. :)

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19. "RE: 2013.07.10: Two Visionaries"
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   >My personal pick for that sadly-never-happening-character's actor
>would be Maisie Williams, aka That One Little Girl From Game Of
>Thrones Who Can And Will Fuck A Bitch Right The Hell Up.
>

I cannot wait until she <REDACTED>. Which freaked me right the hell out when I first read it, but on reflection is kind of the coolest thing ever.

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BobSchroeck
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22. "RE: 2013.07.10: Two Visionaries"
In response to message #19
 
   >I cannot wait until she <REDACTED>. Which freaked me right the hell
>out when I first read it, but on reflection is kind of the coolest
>thing ever.

...so, which thing was <REDACTED>?

Just curious.

-- Bob
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24. "RE: 2013.07.10: Two Visionaries"
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   It's in the books but not in the show yet. I'll leave it cut. PM me if you're *REALLY* curious. ;)

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BobSchroeck
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27. "RE: 2013.07.10: Two Visionaries"
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   >It's in the books but not in the show yet. I'll leave it cut. PM me
>if you're *REALLY* curious. ;)

Ah. I thought you meant something in the Movement. Never mind.

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pjmoyermoderator
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21. "RE: 2013.07.10: Two Visionaries"
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   >Usually I just shovel out the suggestions box without watching any of
>this stuff, but in this case I actually watched a couple of things,
>one of which was interesting but deeply, reverberatingly confusing. I
>said to Phil, "dude, wtf" and the next thing I knew there were DVDs
>and stuff.

For the record, the episodes in question were those of The Legend of Korra.

And Now You Know (tm).

--- Philip





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Gryphonadmin
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23. "RE: 2013.07.10: Two Visionaries"
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   >>Usually I just shovel out the suggestions box without watching any of
>>this stuff, but in this case I actually watched a couple of things,
>>one of which was interesting but deeply, reverberatingly confusing. I
>>said to Phil, "dude, wtf" and the next thing I knew there were DVDs
>>and stuff.
>
>For the record, the episodes in question were those of The Legend
>of Korra
.
>
>And Now You Know (tm).

Seriously, my TiVo went on a Korra bender a few weeks ago. I clicked in expecting the Suggestions box to be full of Totally '80s and old episodes of The FBI Files (yeah, I don't know why either) like usual, but lo.

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25. "RE: 2013.07.10: Two Visionaries"
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   >Seriously, my TiVo went on a Korra bender a few weeks ago.

As it were.


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26. "RE: 2013.07.10: Two Visionaries"
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   TiVobending is one of the newer arts...

Mario


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