Quick explanation, for future reference:

In Faerie mythology, depending how far you go and whether or not you believe the bastardized Whitewolf version (changeling), the Faerie courts consist of two courts: The Seelie, and the Unseelie.

Seelie are the nice, happy fairies. Pixies, dancing in fairy circles, whatnot. They help people, make pretty pictures, and generally don't do much more than rich effeminate french artists.

The Unseelie court, on the contrast, are the 'mean' faeries. They are the pranksters, malicious pixies who waylay travelers. They are the Will O'wisps, and they are the sprites who cavort within toadstools, forcing travellers to dance along - refusal meaning death.
However, by no means is the Unseelie court evil, nor the Seelie court good, however. Seelie Pooka regularily steal children and molest travelers, for example.

- Sabishi
"I know WAY too much about this crap."

Actually, despite the bastardization job done by White Wolf, they got the basics correct. The Seelie (Seleighe is a closer transliteration from gaelic) and Unseelie (Unseleighe) courts were the opposing courts of Sidhe. It's relatively dificult to find information on the original beliefs taht gave rise to these, although they exist in various bastardized froms, such as White Wolf's Changling, and most of Mercedes Lackey's "Urban Fantasy" books.

True. I was, however, referring to White Wolf's adding a third court as THE major player in politics - the Shadow Court. Basically, once enough time passes, all the secret plans that the Shadow Court has in motion will come to fruition, and the world will end.
Just like in every other goddamned White Wolf game.

<ahem> Well, anyways, in general faerie mythology, the forces of evil are not so well organized, and just generally mose around doing wicked acts.

- Sabishii
<embarassed that's he supporting himself on this topic>

Gah! Gah! No! No! Bad! Bad!

SEELE is not the Unseelie court. If anything, they're White Wolf's bastardized Shadow Court. SEELE = EVIL. Unseelie = Malicious.

-Sabishii
Swearing never again to look at this topic.

I wasn't suggesting actual mythology being intertwined there; more like a possible opportunistic allusion. And, besides, SEELE's far too organized and actively evil to be the Unseelie Court.

The Unseelie Court is, more or less, a place for the nastier fae to hang out, as opposed to the Seelie Court, where the somewhat-less-nasty (more pranksters than anything else -- think Robin Goodfellow) fae hung out. Neither one had an agenda or anything.

SEELE is more like White Wolf's rather bizarre and out-of-place (well, in Celtic mythology, anyway... in the WoD it fits) idea of Evil Faeries. They've got an agenda, they're organized, and they're Evil Bastards of the sort that the Celtic fae never were.

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Mythological anything, though, allusion or otherwise. Way too much of that here as it is. Let's get back to gigantic robots stomping around and blowing stuff up. You got spirituality in my giant robo. ;>

>The Unseelie Court is, more or less, a place for the nastier fae to
>hang out, as opposed to the Seelie Court, where the
>somewhat-less-nasty (more pranksters than anything else -- think Robin
>Goodfellow) fae hung out. Neither one had an agenda or anything.

"Be nasty pranksters" is an agenda. Kind of. ;>

>SEELE is more like White Wolf's rather bizarre and out-of-place (well,
>in Celtic mythology, anyway... in the WoD it fits) idea of Evil
>Faeries. They've got an agenda, they're organized, and they're Evil
>Bastards of the sort that the Celtic fae never were.

Well, yeah, it's the World of Darkness. They've got to have an evil subsection of every group. (I have a vague recollection of a WoD-destroying session of Mage where the players ran into Nephandi agents hiding in normal society. Except that all of them had black hair, talked endlessly about destroying everything for no readily discernable reason, and all wore little nametags that said "Hi! I'm EVIL!")

And the Shadow Court doesn't fit into Changeling, either. It was a desparate attempt to take the more-or-less angst-free fae and make them a little less happy. God forbid that White Wolf actually publish a game with a fundamentally optimistic worldview...
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<chuckle>

Somewhere in my copious collection of miscellanea I have copies of "Werepenguin: the Waddling", "Santa: The Gifting", "Televangelist: The Leeching", and (horror of horrors) "Mentos: the Freshmaker", in which those gifted with the supernatural ability to exploit the full arcane potential of breathmints can make anything they want happen.

On the other end of the reference, somewhere I also have notes on the gameworld use of "Cephalo-Pops -- The Breakfast Cereal Man Was Not Meant To Know". For your basic lighter Cthulhu fare...

-- Bob
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I've got Faerie: The Cobbling somewhere, but I never got my hands on Werepenguins. I also almost picked up Devilbunnies: The Fluffing at one point, but decided not to.

See, I love the Storyteller System, but the whole angst-ridden thing doesn't work for me at all. There are times when I specifically seek to destroy the atmosphere that the WoD creates, because when looked at in the right light, a lot of things in the setting are just plain ludicrous. (Black Furies holding up a sign saying "WILL WERK FOR SPERM", Sabbat unable to actually engage in action because they're all trying to diablerize one another as soon as someone's distracted, Wraiths... well, that's too easy, but anyway...)

>On the other end of the reference, somewhere I also have notes on the
>gameworld use of "Cephalo-Pops -- The Breakfast Cereal Man Was Not
>Meant To Know". For your basic lighter Cthulhu fare...

I picked up the Sailor Moon RPG about the same time I grabbed Call of Cthulhu. The connection should be obvious - Bishojo Senshi Sailormoon Cthulhu. "In the name of R'lyeh I will drive you insane and submit you to horrors beyond your imagining!"
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>I picked up the Sailor Moon RPG about the same time I
>grabbed Call of Cthulhu. The connection should be
>obvious - Bishojo Senshi Sailormoon Cthulhu. "In the
>name of R'lyeh I will drive you insane and submit you to horrors
>beyond your imagining!"

Ah. Chibi-Usa visits you, then.

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Not that horrible. Even the Great Old Ones fear something.
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Anyone seen "Senshi: The Merchandising"?

And someone around here was running an "Anime: The Watching" LARP at a con a couple years back.

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Yes. It's at http://www.maison-otaku.net/~rhea/senshi.html and it's very funny. I want to run it someday.

I continue to be amused by the fact that Utena is classified as a Magic Knight in that particular gaming system.

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-- Onatah, on NE:CiF MUSH

Earlier this summer, when I drove up to Maine, I discovered that the construction zones created by the recently-launched project to add a lane to each side of the Maine Turnpike south of Portland had been heralded by huge signs along the side of the road which read:

TURNPIKE: THE WIDENING

I just about drove off the damn road. A World of Darkness game about the incessant political wrangling, backstabbing, cheating and countercheating that goes on inside the world of major public-works projects?

(Truss thinks it would make a better concept for a mock CCG, kind of a combination of Magic and INWO... )

--G.
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Okay, finally recovered from a good five minutes of breakage. Man, this is the funniest thing I've seen on this board in a while ^_^.

-- Sean --
of course, now I have to actually write the game...
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Hey! I was about to post exactly that! You beat me to it, damn it! Bastard!

(As a side note, back when UCJAS was showing Bastard at the end of last semester, we used to vent our vitriolic hatred of that series by appending the same curse to pretty much any line of dialogue addressed to a character. Among other things. Gods, I loathe that series.)
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Hmm. I think I would agree more with Truss on that. But to be fair, you could always work in elements of Rage and Jyhad just to be true to the source material...

<grin>

-- Bob (who has had a sudden flash of inspiration regarding the intersection of Pen-Pen and Werepenguin: The Waddling...)
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"Shinji. Same name as the master key -- well done, Ikari. Shinji can't be copied. Splendid plan." -- Tabris, in Tenshi Muyo! Rei-o-ohki