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7. "RE: Also, For the Record"
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   LAST EDITED ON Apr-15-14 AT 12:36 PM (EDT)
>>>Russia ain't going to invade itself, Josephine....
>>Strangely enough, for certain values of "Russia" it's looking
>>increasingly like it kind of is.
>"Certain values" is doing a lot of work there; I've been reliably
>informed that referring to a Ukrainian as a Russian is a really,
>really good way to get into a fight, in a way that referring to a
>Texan as an American isn't. :)

Historically, you have to go back to tsarist days (as it appears Vladimir IV is keen to do) and even before; the Ukraine was once, and for a very long time, one of the Russias referred to in the Tsar's formal style, "Autocrat of All the Russias" (along with Belarus, formerly romanized "Byelorussia").

It says all you really need to know about the very-long-standing Muscovite attitude toward the western branch of the Rus' nation, in fact, when you consider that modern-day Russia, under the Early Modern multiple-Russias nomenclature, was "Great Russia"; Byelorussia was "White Russia"; and the Ukraine was... wait for it... "Lesser Russia".

I'm not saying the modern-day Ukrainians don't have plenty of latitude for grievance there, obviously, nor that the modern Russian attitude that one can wind that tape back has any validity whatever, but terminologically, if you go back far enough...

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   RE: Also, For the Record The Traitor Apr-14-14 1
      RE: Also, For the Record MuninsFire Apr-14-14 2
          RE: Also, For the Record ebony14 Apr-15-14 3
              RE: Also, For the Record Gryphonadmin Apr-15-14 5
                  RE: Also, For the Record Mercutio Apr-15-14 6
                     RE: Also, For the Record Gryphonadmin Apr-15-14 7
                          RE: Also, For the Record rwpikul Apr-16-14 9
                              RE: Also, For the Record Prince Charon Apr-19-14 13
                          RE: Also, For the Record Mercutio Apr-16-14 10
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