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Laudre
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"A Rose at New Year AND Azalynn's Winter Holiday"
 
   Wow.

Just, wow.

Actually, not just wow.

Loved the sparring sequence -- I'm still snickering at the image of Gryphon-sensei lying flat on his back, an expression of amazement on his face, underwater while koi swim lazily around him.

I'm really, really enjoying watching Corwin and Utena's relationship blossom -- and I'm wondering what you're foreshadowing about how Anthy might affect things by reminding us about the Kei/Gryphon/Skuld triangle (although I gather that the Gryphon/Skuld thing is sporadic at best) and the MegaZone/Yuri/R-Type triangle. (Well, okay, not what, but if.) But then, I tend to think like that.

Watching Corwin react to flirting and, even better, innuendoes, reminds me of myself in similar situations in the past. Very, very amusing.

Kind of a nice breather to have a slice of life here... this and "Azalynn's Winter Holiday" are much quieter than the prior two stories, and "Holiday" answers a lot of questions about what's really going on (although it'd probably make more sense if I'd seen Revolutionary Girl Utena).

Is having Christmas on Cephiro something from the series? Either way, is there an explanation for how they came to have it (in particular, that name for it)? I don't see a world like that having a Christian Church... but then, I haven't seen RGU or MKR, so I don't know what's from what here.

Well done, chaps, well done. (And I'll be waiting for Ms. St. Clair to continue Saionji's adventures.)

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  RE: A Rose at New Year AND Azalynn's Winter Holiday Gryphonadmin Jul-22-01 1
     RE: A Rose at New Year AND Azalynn's Winter Holiday Laudre Jul-23-01 2
         RE: A Rose at New Year AND Azalynn's Winter Holiday megazone Jul-23-01 3
         RE: A Rose at New Year AND Azalynn's Winter Holiday Gryphonadmin Jul-23-01 4
             RE: A Rose at New Year AND Azalynn's Winter Holiday ejheckathorn Jul-23-01 5
     RE: A Rose at New Year AND Azalynn's Winter Holiday StClair Jul-27-01 7
  RE: A Rose at New Year AND Azalynn's Winter Holiday Captain Willard Jul-26-01 6

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Gryphonadmin
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1. "RE: A Rose at New Year AND Azalynn's Winter Holiday"
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   LAST EDITED ON Jul-22-01 AT 05:41 AM (EDT)

>Loved the sparring sequence -- I'm still snickering at the image of
>Gryphon-sensei lying flat on his back, an expression of amazement on
>his face, underwater while koi swim lazily around him.

Gracious me. I think I like this girl, indeed I do.

Hey, he's a 430-year-old sword master, but part of him is still, and always will be, 18. :)

(She makes him feel so old. One of these days I'll have to have him moan about it to Kei. :)

>I'm really, really enjoying watching Corwin and Utena's relationship
>blossom --

Thanks - so am I, although it's throwing off some of my timing calculation for the rest of the Symphony how fast it's developed. I'd figured them for more or less still strangers at the end of Christmas break, but they thwarted me by bonding almost instantly over the need to help Kate, and going on to be quite good friends by the end of the hols. But then, that's how I know when things are really working, when the characters start messing me about that way. :)

If you're curious for an insight into part of my creative process, here's one on this subject: the moment when that really crystallized for me, and made me realize that (a) they were going to ruin my timetable and (b) it was going to be worth it, was in the mall scene in Christmas Rose, when, in the face of Kate's sudden breakdown, the two instantly become a team. Corwin calls Utena's name, she turns around, and just like that, they're on the same waveband, and stay there, more or less, for the rest of the day. When that happened, I knew there was no going back.

>and I'm wondering what you're foreshadowing about how Anthy
>might affect things by reminding us about the Kei/Gryphon/Skuld
>triangle (although I gather that the Gryphon/Skuld thing is sporadic
>at best)

Not really sporadic at all; they were only lovers that once. The circumstances were somewhat unique. They love each other, and the dynamic between Kei and Skuld is such that the three of them raising Corwin together doesn't cause problems, but it's not really a triad in the - this is an odd choice of words for such a subject, but - conventional sense.

>and the MegaZone/Yuri/R-Type triangle. (Well, okay, not
>what, but if.) But then, I tend to think like that.

Well, keep watching; the subject's importance is certainly not going to fade as the Symphony progresses. And rest assured that it's a thing I've invested a great deal of thought and effort into developing, skewed timetable and all. Hopefully you'll like the way it comes out (and it does come out - I hate the way so many shows nowadays leave things like that unresolved forever).

>Watching Corwin react to flirting and, even better, innuendoes,
>reminds me of myself in similar situations in the past. Very, very
>amusing.

A lot of Corwin's reactions mirror my own in a similar situation. In this, at least, he is his father's son. :)

>Kind of a nice breather to have a slice of life here... this and
>"Azalynn's Winter Holiday" are much quieter than the prior two
>stories, and "Holiday" answers a lot of questions about what's really
>going on (although it'd probably make more sense if I'd seen
>Revolutionary Girl Utena).

Yeah - Holiday is the first piece of the Symphony that has an outright connection to the part of RGU that isn't available in English. I'm attempting to structure it so that one doesn't need to know what goes on in the last two-thirds of the series in order to understand what's happening in the Symphony, but foreknowledge will definitely make the experience richer, since the entire original series did happen as backstory before Wounded Rose.

>Is having Christmas on Cephiro something from the series? Either way,
>is there an explanation for how they came to have it (in particular,
>that name for it)? I don't see a world like that having a Christian
>Church... but then, I haven't seen RGU or MKR, so I don't know what's
>from what here.

No... MKR (the series Cephiro is from; in the canon RGU it's happening here on Earth, in the present day), they're not in Cephiro long enough to know if the place has any holidays. The cultural parallels between Cephiro and Earth in UF (kendo, the presence of a holiday called Christmas in the winter, etc.) have to do with the UF origins of Cephiro itself, which will be explored in a future piece, so I won't get into them here.

>Well done, chaps, well done. (And I'll be waiting for Ms. St. Clair
>to continue Saionji's adventures.)

St.Clair is actually a mister (reportedly; I confess I haven't met him face to face, but I take his word for it :), and that credit means literally what it says; Kelly wrote the fortune Saionji got in his cookie. I was hanging around on the creative-lab channel one night in June and got stuck for a fortune, and Kelly whipped out that one for me. The rest of the story's me. :)

(We never see Azalynn's fortune; perhaps someday it'll be important. :)

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Laudre
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2. "RE: A Rose at New Year AND Azalynn's Winter Holiday"
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   >(She makes him feel so old. One of these days I'll have to
>have him moan about it to Kei. :)

Is that like the moaning about age around the New Year's celebrations? ^_^

>friends by the end of the hols. But then, that's how I know when
>things are really working, when the characters start messing me about
>that way. :)

For me, that's both one of the most rewarding things and most frustrating things about being a writer -- that moment when I realize I don't have a clue about where the story is really headed. I start writing a project when I have one or more of three things: a beginning, a middle, and an ending. Out of the three, I prefer starting with an ending, because, to cop a phrase from Neil Gaiman, it's pretty much a process of aim and start writing. Of course, I rarely end up quite where I thought I would, but them's the brakes. Beginnings are somewhat easier to deal with but are the most likely to stall out on me; all of a sudden, the characters just shut up and I have to go and do something else until they feel like talking again. (Which is why I always have a number of projects in the works -- currently, I have about nine or ten.) Middles are the easiest, as it's fairly simple to sit down and start asking questions about how they got there, but working the bugs out of those answers -- usually by turning them on their head in some respect -- can be a disheartening process, and there's still the possibility of running out of steam before you know how it ends.

>it comes out (and it does come out - I hate the way so many shows
>nowadays leave things like that unresolved forever).

It seems like few writers know how to resolve sexual tension into a relationship, and then keep the chemistry happening. Mostly they tend to forget that the same kinds of things often happen in a relationship as do when the relationship is forming.

>available in English. I'm attempting to structure it so that
>one doesn't need to know what goes on in the last two-thirds of
>the series in order to understand what's happening in the
>Symphony, but foreknowledge will definitely make the experience
>richer, since the entire original series did happen as backstory
>before Wounded Rose.

Considering that I probably won't see any of RGU until I can reliably get the whole thing, I'm hoping so. So far I haven't had much trouble inferring what I need to know.

>St.Clair is actually a mister (reportedly; I confess I haven't met him
>face to face, but I take his word for it :), and that credit means

Ah. Every Kelly I've known personally has been female, although I've heard of male Kellys. My apologies to Mr. St. Clair; no offense intended (and please don't misinterpret that as a mysogynistic statement; when I first started wearing my hair long, I didn't have any facial hair to speak of -- I wasn't even shaving yet -- and I started getting annoyed by all the times I was addressed as a female).

-- Sean --

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3. "RE: A Rose at New Year AND Azalynn's Winter Holiday"
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   >Ah. Every Kelly I've known personally has been female, although I've
>heard of male Kellys. My apologies to Mr. St. Clair; no offense

Like the late, great Kelly Johnson - long time designer for Lockheed and founder of the Skunk Works. (Worked on the Electra, P-38, P-80, F-104, U-2, SR-71, etc, etc...)

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4. "RE: A Rose at New Year AND Azalynn's Winter Holiday"
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   >>(She makes him feel so old. One of these days I'll have to
>>have him moan about it to Kei. :)
>
>Is that like the moaning about age around the New Year's celebrations?
>^_^

Not really. That was more of a joking thing, "Bah, I'm getting old, all I want to do tonight is sit around and not do anything." With Utena, there's the much more direct elderly feeling one gets when pretty girls call one "mister". :)

(That happened to me at a shopping mall a few months ago. I was going in the side entrance, and a raver chick said, with all apparent sincerity, "I love your shoes, Mister." Strange feeling. Now add a few hundred years of life experience, don't increase the chemical maturity level, and try again. It's a curiously conflicted state of mind, and largely new to Our Hero. He's going to have to get used to it. :)

>Beginnings are somewhat easier to deal with but are the most likely to
>stall out on me; all of a sudden, the characters just shut up and I
>have to go and do something else until they feel like talking again.

Mm, yes... there's a reason why I have so many universes, and none of them are finished. Although I tend to have the hardest times with middle parts. A lot of my drafts end up with a beginning, an end, and a bunch of gaps that I have the damnedest time filling.

--G.
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5. "RE: A Rose at New Year AND Azalynn's Winter Holiday"
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>Not really. That was more of a joking thing, "Bah, I'm getting old,
>all I want to do tonight is sit around and not do anything." With
>Utena, there's the much more direct elderly feeling one gets when
>pretty girls call one "mister". :)
>
>(That happened to me at a shopping mall a few months ago. I was going
>in the side entrance, and a raver chick said, with all apparent
>sincerity, "I love your shoes, Mister." Strange feeling. Now add a
>few hundred years of life experience, don't increase the chemical
>maturity level, and try again. It's a curiously conflicted state of
>mind, and largely new to Our Hero. He's going to have to get used to
>it. :)

I have that kind of effect on people. I'm not entirely comfortable dealing with people in social situations, so I tend to revert to extreme formality... such as calling 16 year old kids working in the movie theater "Sir" or "Ma'am".

Of course, it could also just be because I'm horrible with names and faces. :)

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7. "RE: A Rose at New Year AND Azalynn's Winter Holiday"
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   >>Well done, chaps, well done. (And I'll be waiting for Ms. St. Clair
>>to continue Saionji's adventures.)
>
>St.Clair is actually a mister (reportedly; I confess I haven't met him
>face to face, but I take his word for it :), and that credit means
>literally what it says; Kelly wrote the fortune Saionji got in his
>cookie. I was hanging around on the creative-lab channel one night in
>June and got stuck for a fortune, and Kelly whipped out that one for
>me. The rest of the story's me. :)

And giddy as I was over getting a credit in UF (I've been a fanboy since UF was first posted in rec.arts.anime - "no bloody .misc, .games, or .creative" - back in 90 or 91), I immediately started second-guessing my contribution.

"Crud! It's no good! Why did I ever suggest that? CRUD!"

Anyway, yeah, I'm a guy, and you can find me listed under Enthusiastic Personages. Which I am. Don't worry about the "Ms.", I get it all the time.

>(We never see Azalynn's fortune; perhaps someday it'll be important.
>:)

"Perhaps," nothin'. Remember, I've already (on this arc) called you on one thing you didn't think was foreshadowing, but turned out to be. :)


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6. "RE: A Rose at New Year AND Azalynn's Winter Holiday"
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   Man, that made my whole week!

Let's see... Corwin and Utena really dominate Rose at New Years, though Tiny Robo and Dororthy certainly add spice.

I'd wondered about how useful the litte bots could be, but the snowfight certainly showed their usefullness. Corwin certainly does good work. Given his parentage, we shouldn't expect anything less.

Somehow, though, I still expect Skuld to be twelve years old.

Azalynn certainly has an effective style of therapy.

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