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"COMING 6/16: An Avatar in New Avalon"
 
   Yes, you heard that right, sports fans. You got a piece of it a while back with the Mini-Story And So They Met. Now we're set to start telling the whole story of how Avatar Korra first came to New Avalon, 19 years before Symphony No. 5; why she made the trip; and what she found when she got there. Spirits willing and the creek don't rise, An Avatar in New Avalon, Chapter 1 of The Legacy of Korra, Book 6: Galaxy, will be out tomorrow evening.

Here's one last teaser for it, which takes a look at what happened just before And So They Met began from the other side of the door:

        The doors opened onto a scene of what looked, at first glance,
like complete confusion, but Korra was familiar enough with job sites to
know that the situation was largely under control. Most of the walls
weren't up yet on this floor, and those that were consisted mainly of
sealed-but-unfinished drywall; in most places the structural members
could still be seen. There was a kind of skeletal hallway leading from
the elevator to the other end of the floor, with what would eventually
be offices and work areas branching off from it, and here too, many
things were covered either in plastic or not-very-clean white fabric.
There didn't seem to be any work happening on this level just
now; Korra couldn't see anyone around from where she stood. From below,
though, coming up through the unadorned subfloor sheeting, loud grinding
and hammering and power sawing noises indicated that there was a crew
going hammer-and-tongs on the 37th.
In all this expanse of exposed studs and half-plastered drywall,
there was but one door standing in its frame, and that was the one all
the way at the end of the phantom corridor. This had a half-window,
like office doors in old detective films, and on the window someone had
painstakingly lettered the legend: 38-401 CHIEF.
Well, that must be the place, then, she thought. Upon arrival,
she found that this door opened onto what was plainly meant to be an
outer office, wedge-shaped, with the frame for another door standing
open onto the room beyond. There was a battered desk and an old-
fashioned wooden swivel chair here, the former with a telephone sitting
on it, but the rest of the room wasn't finished and there was no one in
it. With a mental shrug, Korra proceeded through, then paused before
crossing the inner threshold.
OK, Korra, she told herself. Don't get your hopes up too high
here. This guy is more than 400 years old, he's been from one end of
this galaxy to the other and seen all kinds of crazy stuff. He might be
operating on a completely different philosophical plane by this point.
Avatar or not, you may well find that you can't even -relate- to him.
Then she took a deep breath, steeled herself for disappointment,
and stepped into the doorway.
The man in the inner office was sitting at a massive antique
metal desk, over near the far corner of the office from the door, such
that she had him in three-quarter profile. Stocky, broad-shouldered,
with dark brown hair that could have used a trim if he intended to keep
it in that left-parted, businessy style and a vandyke beard with a
couple of days' growth all around it, he was dressed not in any sort of
uniform, but rather a slightly ratty dress shirt over a T-shirt with a
mysterious logo and cargo shorts. Still, he was unmistakably the man
she'd come to see: Benjamin Hutchins, widely known as Gryphon, formerly
an admiral in the Wedge Defense Force and lately the architect of this
wild new experiment in galactic policing.
He had clearly been hard at work in this room for some time.
His desk was heaped with stacks of paper and bulging manila file
folders, apart from a clear space to one side where a telephone stood.
The long-heralded paperless office, it appeared, was not poised to
become a reality at International Police Headquarters. He had a stylus
in his left hand, as if he had been in the middle of processing yet
another official somethingorother, but he wasn't doing that right now.
Instead, at first glance, Korra suspected he might be having
some kind of a fit or something. He was sort of... -thrashing- in his
desk chair, eyes closed, his head going forward and back, while the hand
holding the stylus swung it in a choppy, rhythmic motion in front of him
and the fingers of the other twisted into various clawlike rictus
positions. She was just starting to wonder if she should call for help,
or maybe go over there and try to get something leather in between his
teeth, when she spotted the white plastic buds of earphones and
realized, with an irrepressible grin, that he wasn't having a seizure;
he was -rockin' out.- That wasn't muscle spasms, it was force-five air
guitar.
Just as she had that realization, he abruptly swiveled toward
her - still with his eyes closed - and broke into song:

But IIIIIII -
Never seen nothin' like you!

Do ya, do ya want my love?
Woman!
Do ya, do ya want my face?
I need it!
Do ya, do ya want my mind?
I'm sayin'
Do ya, do ya want my love?

Well I think you know what I'm try'na say, woman -

"Actually?" she couldn't quite stop herself from saying, her
grin turning mischievous. "I'm completely at a loss."


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  First thoughts on read Pasha Jun-17-14 1
     RE: First thoughts on read Gryphonadmin Jun-17-14 12
  RE: COMING 6/16: An Avatar in New Avalon Droken Jun-17-14 2
     RE: COMING 6/16: An Avatar in New Avalon Gryphonadmin Jun-17-14 26
  RE: COMING 6/16: An Avatar in New Avalon Polychrome Jun-17-14 3
     RE: COMING 6/16: An Avatar in New Avalon Narutaki Jun-17-14 4
         RE: COMING 6/16: An Avatar in New Avalon Polychrome Jun-17-14 5
             RE: COMING 6/16: An Avatar in New Avalon Blackbird Jun-17-14 14
                 RE: COMING 6/16: An Avatar in New Avalon pjmoyermoderator Jun-17-14 16
                     RE: COMING 6/16: An Avatar in New Avalon Gryphonadmin Jun-17-14 17
                     RE: COMING 6/16: An Avatar in New Avalon Blackbird Jun-18-14 31
  In Which Traitor Steps Up The Traitor Jun-17-14 6
     RE: Traitor Steps Up Pasha Jun-17-14 7
         RE: Traitor Steps Up The Traitor Jun-17-14 8
             RE: Traitor Steps Up Gryphonadmin Jun-17-14 20
                 RE: Traitor Steps Up drakensis Jun-18-14 27
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     RE: In Which Traitor Steps Up zwol Jun-17-14 10
         RE: In Which Traitor Steps Up Peter Eng Jun-17-14 18
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         RE: In Which Traitor Steps Up The Traitor Jun-17-14 13
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         RE: In Which Traitor Steps Up Pasha Jun-18-14 30
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Pasha
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1. "First thoughts on read"
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Heh, of course she goes and gets shyam.

It's officer Schwieckart! Before he was Sgt Schwieckart! But still with the signature tagline!

I think I like the idea of Ragnar Ragnarsson more than actually hanging out with him.

"As you can imagine, we get along just fine"

"My field trip, my rules"

"Relax, Mike. Deep breaths." lol. Also, what kind of demographic information is available in the public directory that she was able to pare it down that much?

Daft Punk cameo!

Illogics cameo!

I'm kind of surprised the sound cue wasn't End of Line or something here, for the full DP cameo...

"Army knife fighting is army knife fighting" Unless you're from indonesia, at which point you learn pencak silat and to fight with a kris

Oh, wait. There you go. Just waiting for the right time, got it.

Kids!

Hunh. I was under the impression that Kate's stutter was a later in life thing, coinciding with Liza Broadbitch.

Aunt Bell knows everybody.

Of course Nall was on an ice block.

Poor Urd.

Noodles! I'm a fan of noodles in sauce. *nods*

Heh. Zoner anecdotes. I like post Twilight Zoner. He's just so...weird.

I like the little notes to Jinora. They're amusing.

Heh. Introducing Corwin and Nall.


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12. "RE: First thoughts on read"
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   > "Relax, Mike. Deep breaths." lol. Also, what kind of demographic
>information is available in the public directory that she was able to
>pare it down that much?

In the directory itself, none, but it crossreferences to the Census Department database if you look in the right menu. From there you can get to age ranges, gender IDs, cross off the one who's a Wookiee, and so forth.

>Hunh. I was under the impression that Kate's stutter was a later in
>life thing, coinciding with Liza Broadbitch.

Nope. It came along as soon as she started talking. Liza only exploited it at every opportunity (and thereby probably made it more persistent).

>Aunt Bell knows everybody.

There's actually a very specific reason why Bell recognizes Korra, but Korra doesn't know what it is yet. :)

--G.
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2. "RE: COMING 6/16: An Avatar in New Avalon"
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   So, just to get it out of the way; fantastic story, read straight through and only stopped to feed the cat at his strict insistence.

An Andrew Petrarca sighting! I think his last "chronological" appearance (as opposed to mentioned-in-story) was Days of Miracle and Wonder, giving UF-G his .45s. And, as mentioned before me, a Daft Punk cameo and the start of the Illogics! Very much fun involved in those, and in all the various tie-ins to the "after Twilight and before Symphony" stuff that we the audience have seen but the barest hints to.

I also have to say, as someone with only the first 3 episodes of ATLA and none whatsoever of LoK in my "watched" folder, the battle at the club felt like a perfect primer on how a fully-trained and experienced Avatar shows their credentials to the title of "serious badass". As Merc has pointed out on several occasions, you've gotten pretty damn good at writing major fights, but in this case even moreso than others the action flowed so smoothly and clearly for me that I could easily and instinctively visualize it; along with Korra's mounting annoyance and frustration as the severity of the fight kicks up by tiers.

I was pleased also that you played the full "And So They Met" out from Korra's PoV rather than just gloss over it and point to the mini, or else just copy it in (which, I recognize, would have been entirely out of place, given that the entire rest of the piece is from Korra's end, and not in the 1st person). It was fun to see both sides of the scene, and to see into the mind of both Gryph and Korra at their first meeting.

A very fun opener, full of promise!

-Droken

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to know."


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26. "RE: COMING 6/16: An Avatar in New Avalon"
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   >I was pleased also that you played the full "And So They Met" out from
>Korra's PoV rather than just gloss over it and point to the mini, or
>else just copy it in (which, I recognize, would have been entirely out
>of place, given that the entire rest of the piece is from Korra's end,
>and not in the 1st person). It was fun to see both sides of the scene,
>and to see into the mind of both Gryph and Korra at their first
>meeting.

Trivia: And So They Met happened exactly because I was thinking of releasing just that scene (which was written first) without waiting for there to be an actual story happening around it, and Phil said no, don't do that, write a mini showing the same events from Gryphon's side. So I did.

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3. "RE: COMING 6/16: An Avatar in New Avalon"
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   >He pointed at Korra with his cane. "Well, -get her!-"

Yeah, how'd that work out for you, Dr. Stantz?

Polychrome


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4. "RE: COMING 6/16: An Avatar in New Avalon"
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   >>He pointed at Korra with his cane. "Well, -get her!-"
>
>Yeah, how'd that work out for you, Dr. Stantz?
>
>Polychrome

I'm thinking more... shades of Roman Torchwick, perhaps?

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5. "RE: COMING 6/16: An Avatar in New Avalon"
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   More like Junior, I think.

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14. "RE: COMING 6/16: An Avatar in New Avalon"
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   Except his whole aesthetic is Roman's. The white suit, the flare gun/cane, and that line. Certainly trashing the club owes more to "Yellow", though, of course.


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16. "RE: COMING 6/16: An Avatar in New Avalon"
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   >Except his whole aesthetic is Roman's. The white suit, the flare
>gun/cane, and that line. Certainly trashing the club owes more to
>"Yellow", though, of course.

In this case, it's a little from column A, B, C, and Tau.

The primary influence was Zuse from "Tron: Legacy" (most of the look, the all-white shiny-ness of his outfit, the club decor and techno music, the overall attitude as an underworld fixer). Add to that a dash of Roman Torchwick (modification to the gun cane, the bowler hat, more of the sarcasm) and Junior (other underworld connections, trashed club). And then finally, classic suit-and-bowler Edward Nygma. Because really, the man has such -panache- when he's rocking the bowler hat.

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17. "RE: COMING 6/16: An Avatar in New Avalon"
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   >And then finally, classic suit-and-bowler Edward Nygma.
>Because really, the man has such -panache- when he's rocking the
>bowler hat.

He also comes unglued in a very Riddlerian fashion when stuff starts not going to plan.

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31. "RE: COMING 6/16: An Avatar in New Avalon"
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   Oh god, that guy. I completely forgot about him. Dunno how, though, in retrospect. Especially since the Daft Punk cameo reminded me of that film.


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6. "In Which Traitor Steps Up"
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   LAST EDITED ON Jun-17-14 AT 11:18 AM (EDT)
 
Okay, first thing's first, I'm the illest. Er... right. Anyway, when I go through this, I'm not going to pick up on all the references. Hell, I've barely watched any of either Avatar's shows. I will miss things. If this gives me the wrong idea about something, please say so.

>Earth.
>Air.
>Fire.
>Water.

By your powers combined, I am... AVATAR PLANET!
I'm not even sorry.

>Mizuzoku Koura, Zipangi national

According to Google Translate, this means "Water Group", which presumably is Google Translate for Water Tribe. Nice touch. Presumably they don't do this for everyone, otherwise the various Customs spods might get curious as to why Diqiu only has four families on it. This would, of course, be less of an issue in the Crown Colonies, wherein they'd just assume it was some kind of intergalactic Chinese Norwich.

>"I do have some seal jerky,"

Now, blame my filthsome Limey upbringing, but I've always thought jerky was invented as a cautionary tale for what happens when you try to cook and eat your own shoes. Seal jerky? Squicks me out. I mean, ew.

As an aside, I'm reminded of a discussion concerning customs we had on the Board once upon a time, and I'm now imagining Mercutio as the good Officer Zant.

>"Although you won't meet as many girls."

Which is weird to me, because pretty much all my female-identifying friends are in STEM or related industries in some way. I'm studying pre-colonial African history instead, and can't help but feel I'm rather letting the side down.

>more than a -mile- into the clear blue sky

"How does it work, Mister Wonka?"

"Skyhooks."

>strange and wondrous noodle dish

You've never really been somewhere until you've had the local shyam. Of course, one assumes friend Korra already knows where her towel is.

>(Section in which Korra resolves to see some besbaw)

My own Opinions on baseball notwithstanding, this is a very pleasant thing for tourists to do that would never, ever happen in the UK. You don't just rock up to a Premier League match and pay on the door; tickets sell out months in advance and most of them go to the prawn sandwich brigade. It's nice that something like this can still happen hundreds of years in the future.

>(In which Officer Ragnarsson makes an appearance.)

This is also nice. I'm not a fan of people being able to insert themselves into new places seamlessly, though that might just be my own neuroses showing, and this little skit (while teased already) is just lovely to read. It makes Korra feel, Iunno, human.

>with a hollow WHONG

Presumably accompanied by some tweeting birds and stars orbiting the young rapscallion's aching dome. I'm not complaining, mind, funny's funny.

>SCHWEIKART

I... don't remember why this is important, but your man here rings a bell. I also approve of putting gingers on the front line against violent crime.
Soulless! Soulless! Burn 'em as witches! Feed 'em to the et cetera...

>an episode of Octonauts."

Hey, that's still going in the capital-F Future? Awesome! I wonder what Korra's reaction to Rastamouse would be...

>(In which we contemplate the Bear Groupie phenomenon)


"Officer, do you require any... medical attention?"

>"Ragnar, our cub is boy."

Could be worse. Could be Iorek.

>drinking the "special" tea

We were half an hour outside Republic City when the cactus juice began to take hold.
Again, not even sorry.

>(In which Korra is a tourist)

Again, this is something I like very much. New Avalon's just a great place for someone like her, and I'm really enjoying how well she's acclimatising to the Big Universe - and that she still has moments of culture shock. The section in the Museum reading Miria Sterling's plaque, well, it came off a little corny to me, but I can handle it.

>(In which a man who talks to people for a living is awkward over the phone)

I... I buy this less. I don't know why, but it seems a little off. But hey, I don't know Korra like y'all do, maybe she does do that sort of thing. She certainly seems fairly impulsive, I got that from the field report, but then again... random customs guy? Hm. Not convinced.

Now, if Mike Zant's a reference to something else from TLOK, then I'll retract this complaint, but he doesn't seem to be. So, um... yeah. Sorry.
What he needs is a Western Electric Model 500 with a crush on him.

Also, by the way, can Americans in general not use the word spaz quite so much? Over on my side of the pond it's a pretty damned offensive term for people with disabilities, physical or mental. Maybe I'm more sensitive about it because I suffer from a nervous tic, Iunno, but it rubs me up the wrong way.

>Ditko's Vintage

Clothing from the golden age of fashion. And the silver age of fashion too, but it's quite weird and there's spandex animal suits everywhere.

>(In which Korra model's this season's retro-chic)

Aw yiss. I've always been a sucker for costume porn, and Korra is a perfect clotheshorse for that particular style. I'm also beginning to like Mike's friends, especially Rafik. He'd do well in Margate's Old Town. Actually, thinking about it, most everyone in UF would do well in Margate's Old Town. Place needs livening up.
I am not talking about Margate's Old Town to distract myself from thinking about Avatar Korra twerking, goodness no, that would be silly, and I need a lie down in a dark room because I'm tired, thank you.

>(In which Korra and Gisele engage in some Girl Talk)

This scene seems legit, coming as someone who's had many a drunk conversation with much, much hotter girls than me in club toilets. Though generally I'm markedly uncomfortable and have been on real ale from the word go in such situations, but whatever. It's a nicely written scene that fits the mood of the piece.

>(In which we see some Avatar-style sleuthing)

Hey, DC, make Korra the new Batman already! We need someone who doesn't treat the job like a constant Eeyore impression...

>new-fangled disc-jockey robots

But Korra, you said you weren't into that! Why are you trying to Get Lucky? All they can offer you is Digital Love, and you deserve better! I'mma say it One More Time, girl, use some Technologic!
The puns, they buuuuuuuuuuuuurns...

>"I'm Michael Dufresne, your host."

Michael Dufresne. From the moment I saw him, I knew... he was fucked.
Joke courtesy of Gina Yashere.

>(In which Zuse makes me feel really damn uncomfortable)

Zuse makes me feel really damn uncomfortable. 'S'all I got. Sorry. You want proper analysis, wait for Merc to show up, I'mma take the opportunity to have eighteen showers and a trip through an NBC decontamination setup.

>(First rule of Fight Scene: do not talk about Fight Scene)

Actually, yeah, I am gonna talk about this. Bending forms are obviously martial arts with added magic, so it's nice to see them being used like that - though it was something of an inevitability, given how much emphasis has been placed on Korra's being undercover.
Also, the Resounding WHONG makes another appearance. I want a superhero with that name. Possibly with a magical gong carried around on the back of an elephant.

I also see why you showed off that Cascada track a while back. If there's a firefight breaking out in your club, you'd want the dancefloor evacuated too. Indeed, this entire scene contains everything I love about fight scenes in bars and everything I love about fights with powers, though it needs more Hammer Girl and Baseball Bat Man. I have that opinion about most fight scenes.

>the concrete beneath
>the flooring halfway across the club surged upwards

Do you remember Gran-Gran's famous Goon Jam? Pepperidge Farm remembers...

>(In which Korra and Zuse are both Six Million Per Cent Done.)

Battle cane? BATTLE CANE! <3

Okay, it didn't actually help, but I love battle canes. Elegant weapons for a more civilised age, even though Zuse is not particularly civilised at all. My people can help with that. We'll be arriving shortly with a dreadnought and some missionaries.
battlecanebattlecanebattlecaaaaaaaane<3<3<3

>(In which Zuse is interrogated)

"'Wow,' thought Moist, 'carrot and stick at the same time.' Vetinari just used stick, or hit you over the head with the carrot."
-- Making Money

I don't tend to like stuff like this scene, but you always make it work for me. Especially the legit out that Korra gives Zuse here. He could, of course, also sell battle canes to the Republic City gentry, but that's by the by.
BATTLECANEBATTLECANEBATTLECANE - er... I'll shut up now.

>(In which Korragnar becomes a viable platonic ship)

Ragnar doesn't really go in for walrus. He's more of an egg man.
Come on, Traitor, do you have any good jokes?
No. No I do not.

I will say, however, that if I wanted to punish a police officer for cowboy-cop antics, I'd put them on a very tight leash and assign them to what Law & Order calls the Special Victims Unit. The ones who get the most horrific cases, the ones who see the most suffering. It gets to you in a way that nothing else can. Then again, I'm a cruel and vicious bitch, so, y'know.

>(In which we discuss the five founders from an outside perspective)

I like the description of Zoner as a living koan, possibly of the Ice Cream variety as the good people at TVTropes call such things. I also keep forgetting that Kei's still around at this point, which, well... it's a good thing for her to be here, don't get me wrong, but I guess I'm too used to times where Kei's just a big ol' Kei-shaped hole in Gryphon's heart.

Gryphon as a character has always intrigued me post-Twilight. Indeed, when I first read through UF in vaguely-chronological order, I thought that the crazy shit that accompanied the big battle at the end of creation would have sent him so far round the twist he could moonlight as a helter-skelter, but that just... didn't happen. He stepped back a bit, he let other people fight, becoming much more of a commander than the hero-at-the-front he'd previously been. I like that in my heroes. I like that there's a variety of arse-kicking methodology in UF. And I really like that UF-Gryphon has accepted he won't be good at all of it and delegates to people.

He still needs some more visible bureaucracy-fu specialists on his roster, though. =]

Also, this is why I need to read ahead when I'm doing these, because UF-Gryphon points out the fact that mizuzoku means Water Tribe. Whoops.

>Le Coq Superieure

"The Superior Cock", huh? I guess I made a cameo after all. =]
Yes, I know it doesn't quite mean that, but w/e.

>(In which the events of Twilight are relayed to Korra)

I loved Gryphon's bullet-points explanation of something it took seven stories to relay in full. It's like someone showing you cheerful holiday snaps. "And here's us by the pool, and here's us with that nice couple from Sweden, and, oh! This is where we saved the entirety of all possible universes from the machinations of a literal personification of death and destruction! I completely forgot we did that! Anyway, this was that lovely fish restaurant by the harbour, you remember, honey..."

>"Yeah [...] I know how that goes."

I know enough to know that I kinda don't want to know, because I don't like the thought of Korra being put through the wringer by fate or by writers.

>"Think I'll take the Jaaag."

Jeremy Clarkson describes Jags as "cars for men who take their wife out to dinner and flirt with the waitress all evening". I can well believe it. Especially the new F-Type, which I will have in Eating-House Red with leather seats and the complimentary minor royal, thank you. It's not the sort of car I associate with UF-Gryphon, generally, but I'm not complaining. Better than some ghastly oversized land yacht made of melted-down Barbie dolls and possessed of an engine that does gallons to the mile.
Traitor, you do remember that you don't actually drive, right?
Well, yes, but I appreciate the car as a technical exercise and the American manufacturers have barely moved on since the mid-'80s in most regards-

Wait. This is more Opinions. Best stop before I get yet more people's backs up...

>"Oh hi [...] Are you Ben's new AA?"

Oh Kei. It's like you never left. Which at this point, you, er, haven't, and, um... dammit, Time, stop dicking me around!

>(In which Korra is introduced to the concept of the Grave Feminine Conspiracy)

I love Kei in general, and I definitely think she needs more screentime with our friendly neighbourhood Aristotelian Physics Hero, but what I'm most excited about is seeing how she fits into the GFC. Damn, that's a scary harem of friends y'all got there, G-man.

Also, miniKate is precious and adorable and I want, like, fifty. And this is from someone who doesn't even like children.

>(In which Korra and Gryphon succumb to madeleine-pain)

Involuntary memory's a hell of a thing to go through, especially when the wound's still raw. I mean, Gryph'n'Skuld were closer than I've ever been to anyone, and I still get this kind of, Iunno, burning-cold-hatepain-thing whenever I think about how badly my best friend's last breakup went, which was years ago. I cannot even begin to relate.

I can sympathise, though, and it'll have to be enough.

>(In which stargate<3)

I've really enjoyed Gryphon and Korra's interactions throughout this fic, but I read the bit where Korra goes into the Avatar state and imagined every previous Avatar tilting their heads slightly and going "OK, that was freaky" in perfect unison. Then I needed to stop laughing and start breathing again.

Also, I imagine the car Gryphon's driving on Tomodachi to be a Morgan 3Wheeler, shown here:


I know it's not one of those, but come on, he's got one. You know it, I know it.

>(In which Tomodachi receives unto its bosom the Lord of the Great Machines)

Now, I'm not an expert on pre-childbirth medical doctrine, so I'll just shut up and say that I enjoyed the way this scene is structured. Which is not shutting up. At all. Whoops.

>(In which Korra and Gryphon's interactions continue to delight)

Not much to say here. While I initially thought that K&G were getting to be BFFs5eva (its 1 mor thn 4eva lik dis if u cry every tim) a little too quickly, upon further consideration it seems remarkably well-paced. Being the midwife of your tiny wee demigod will probably shore one's friendship up a touch. =]

>Stop laughing, Jinora.

Nah, don't, it's funny.

All in all, a complete success, minor quibbles notwithstanding. This is the first time I've attempted something like this for fanfiction I actually like (I've snarked badfic before elsewhere), so I understand if I've missed stuff or I've been completely stupid in ways it takes a more detailed knowledge of the source material, but I liked it. A lot.

Hopefully that comes across. =]

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7. "RE: Traitor Steps Up"
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>By your powers combined, I am... AVATAR PLANET!
>I'm not even sorry.

I think everyone of a certain age did that very thing when we first saw AtLA. Don't feel bad, just old.

>>"I do have some seal jerky,"
>
>Now, blame my filthsome Limey upbringing, but I've always thought
>jerky was invented as a cautionary tale for what happens when you try
>to cook and eat your own shoes. Seal jerky? Squicks me out. I mean,
>ew.

It's also a good way to prepare a shitton of meat so that it'll last for weeks without refrigeration, and make it edible without needing to stop and make a campfire. Which might be hard to do in the frozen south in the middle of winter.

>As an aside, I'm reminded of a discussion concerning customs we had on
>the Board once upon a time, and I'm now imagining Mercutio as the good
>Officer Zant.

I had the SAME THOUGHT

>>(Section in which Korra resolves to see some besbaw)
>
>My own Opinions on baseball notwithstanding,

That's because you're a filthsome Limey. I feel this has been discussed. ;-)

>thing for tourists to do that would never, ever happen in the UK. You
>don't just rock up to a Premier League match and pay on the door;
>tickets sell out months in advance and most of them go to the prawn
>sandwich brigade. It's nice that something like this can still happen
>hundreds of years in the future.

I dunno about months, but the bigger market teams do sell out well in advance of the game. One thing that baseball has going for it with regards to seeing a live game is sheer volume. there's a hundred and sixty two games in the regular season, meaning that, in an average week there's like three baseball games in the home park. It takes a pretty dedicated fanbase to sell out every game, and the smaller ones make it pretty easy to just wander up and get a seat, esp if you don't need to be right on the baseline.

>>SCHWEIKART
>
>I... don't remember why this is important, but your man here rings a
>bell. I also approve of putting gingers on the front line against
>violent crime.

He's the dude who's welcomed every dimensional traveller to New Avalon that we've seen. Heck, he's even got a signature line ("Welcome to New Avalon!")

>>(In which we contemplate the Bear Groupie phenomenon)
>
>media.knoxville.com/media/img/photos/2010/12/24/122410bearman_t300.jpg?x

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8. "RE: Traitor Steps Up"
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   LAST EDITED ON Jun-17-14 AT 10:40 AM (EDT)
 
Er, fair warning, the thing I put up? Nowhere near complete. I misclicked when trying to preview the picture and posted by accident. A full write-up is coming.

>>By your powers combined, I am... AVATAR PLANET!
>>I'm not even sorry.
>
>I think everyone of a certain age did that very thing when we first
>saw AtLA. Don't feel bad, just old.

I'm twenty-two in November.

Now YOU get to feel old. Nyer.

>It's also a good way to prepare a shitton of meat so that it'll last
>for weeks without refrigeration, and make it edible without needing to
>stop and make a campfire. Which might be hard to do in the frozen
>south in the middle of winter.

No doubt, but I still take issue with your use of the word edible. I mean, you can say the same of hardtack and dwarf bread, so...

>>As an aside, I'm reminded of a discussion concerning customs we had on
>>the Board once upon a time, and I'm now imagining Mercutio as the good
>>Officer Zant.
>
>I had the SAME THOUGHT

Yay! Thoughtcrime buddies! I mean thought buddies! I'm not on the run from Minitrue!

>I dunno about months, but the bigger market teams do sell out well in
>advance of the game. One thing that baseball has going for it with
>regards to seeing a live game is sheer volume. there's a hundred and
>sixty two games in the regular season, meaning that, in an average
>week there's like three baseball games in the home park. It takes a
>pretty dedicated fanbase to sell out every game, and the smaller ones
>make it pretty easy to just wander up and get a seat, esp if you don't
>need to be right on the baseline.

I guess you're right. In the Premier League, there's only thirty-eight games per season, and there's a lot more money in the game, most of it oil-related.

>He's the dude who's welcomed every dimensional traveller to New Avalon
>that we've seen. Heck, he's even got a signature line ("Welcome to
>New Avalon!")

Oh yeah! Derp.

>>>(In which we contemplate the Bear Groupie phenomenon)
>>
>>media.knoxville.com/media/img/photos/2010/12/24/122410bearman_t300.jpg?x

I promise this will make sense in the final cut.

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20. "RE: Traitor Steps Up"
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   >>Don't feel bad, just old.
>
>I'm twenty-two in November.
>
>Now YOU get to feel old. Nyer.

The really frightening part about that revelation is that you've been a registered user here for more than five years. I'm not even sure that was legal in the UK. :)

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   Like many things (drinking, voting, drinking AND voting...) the UK is a more permissive society than the USA, at least when it comes to our young.

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   >>By your powers combined, I am... AVATAR PLANET!
>>I'm not even sorry.
>
>I think everyone of a certain age did that very thing when we first
>saw AtLA. Don't feel bad, just old.

I only thought of it later, because I didn't actually watch Captain Planet at the time, but I made that joke in Fire Hazards and everybody was all "Huh? Whatevs."

>I dunno about months, but the bigger market teams do sell out well in
>advance of the game.

It depends on who they're playing, too. The Boston Red Sox, for instance, can confidently expect to sell every ticket to every game against the New York Yankees within about 11 nanoseconds of the year's tickets going on sale. Their games against the Minnesota Twins? Not so much.

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10. "RE: In Which Traitor Steps Up"
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   >>"Although you won't meet as many girls."
>
>Which is weird to me, because pretty much all my female-identifying
>friends are in STEM or related industries in some way. I'm studying
>pre-colonial African history instead, and can't help but feel I'm
>rather letting the side down.

As a throwaway bit, it's nothing to get worked up over, but I really, really hope that by the time we get to the 25th century, humanity has gotten past the various ugly reasons why STEM is still such a sausage fest. Right now, the computer industry in particular (over here in the states, anyway) seems to be actively working to hold onto that, and in the process, quite a few people I thought I respected have unmasked themselves as this horrible quantum superposition of the worst aspects of the stereotypical 1980s movie nerd and the stereotypical 1980s movie fratboy, and I am sick and tired of it.

... In the UF context, it's a big galaxy and maybe there are planet-sized enclaves of high-tech misogyny still. It doesn't seem like New Avalon's institutions of higher learning ought to be having any of it, though.

Anyway. Let's talk about something less dismal.

>>(In which Korra is a tourist)
>
> Again, this is something I like very much. New Avalon's
> just a great place for someone like her, and I'm really
> enjoying how well she's acclimatising to the Big Universe -
> and that she still has moments of culture shock.

I also really liked this part. I feel like I have a better sense of what New Avalon is like on an everyday basis, now. I also may have a better appreciation for its sheer scale. And I love that there's not just Officer Ragnarsson but a whole community of Ursus maritimus sapiens.

> All in all, a complete success, minor quibbles notwithstanding.

I'm mentally comparing this to the Diqiu Suite and I think I know why that feels like it's dragging on, whereas this doesn't, despite that both of them are basically filling in narrative gaps.

Korra was introduced in Try, Try Again with a colossal retcon: she's been a friend of the family since Corwin was born (to the day, even) but kept offstage by the machinations of the White Lotus, also offstage. This is not a bad thing; I thought it was really quite elegant, considering what the writers had to work with. (Welding so many different bits of source material together as seamlessly as possible has always been one of UF's greatest strengths.) But it does mean that her presence in the universe is a little less solidly nailed down than it could be. Then we follow that up with the SotS primary cast going on an extended holiday in Diqiu. This is narratively important because it's demonstrating how Avatar in general is going to fit into UF, but we're still watching someone else's vacation, and I think that's the central problem with it. It doesn't feel all that relevant to the larger UF story. (This is also why the minis starring various Diqiu OCs don't have this problem: they're introducing new characters, who we can be confident will be relevant later.)

In contrast, this story shows us the larger UF context through Korra's eyes, at a pivotal moment in its own history. The IPO's coming online, New Avalon has existed long enough to develop a character as a city, and, oh yeah, introducing Corwin. There's no need to sell me on its larger relevance, and Korra is acting toward a definite larger goal. So it's not like watching someone else's vacation, even though she is spending most of the episode doing vacation-ish things. (Getting mixed up in the local organized crime problem is totally a vacation activity for Korra. Well, a busman's holiday, anyway.)


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18. "RE: In Which Traitor Steps Up"
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   >>>"Although you won't meet as many girls."
>>
>>Which is weird to me, because pretty much all my female-identifying
>>friends are in STEM or related industries in some way. I'm studying
>>pre-colonial African history instead, and can't help but feel I'm
>>rather letting the side down.
>
>As a throwaway bit, it's nothing to get worked up over, but I really,
>really hope that by the time we get to the 25th century, humanity has
>gotten past the various ugly reasons why STEM is still such a sausage
>fest.

I think Korra's commenting from her own experience. For all its wonders, Diqiu is not as egalitarian as the Big Universe, and it appears that STEM education is one of the more outstanding examples.

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19. "RE: In Which Traitor Steps Up"
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   >I think Korra's commenting from her own experience. For all its
>wonders, Diqiu is not as egalitarian as the Big Universe, and it
>appears that STEM education is one of the more outstanding examples.

It's worth bearing in mind that she's talking specifically about civil engineering here, not the entire vast continuum of science, engineering, and so forth. I repeat that it's more a statement on the building trades than some kind of cultural admission that Dìqiú womenfolk aren't good at math.

Also, "Dìqiú is not as egalitarian as the Big Universe" is not really valid as a blanket statement. Consider that men and women competed equally in professional bending back in that world's cultural equivalent of the 1920s; by comparison, American women had only had their right to vote constitutionally guaranteed in 1920. For that matter, even the Fire Nation - not exactly one of that world's bastions of liberal thought - draws no legal distinction between the powers and privileges of male and female Fire Lords. And then there are the Kyoshi Warriors...

Even when you're talking about technical fields, it's not an entirely fair comment. Hell, one of the towering figures in the history of science and engineering in Dìqiú is Asami Satō, who was very, very much a woman.

I suspect Dìqiú has benefited greatly, in that regard, from the fact that statistically about half of the Avatars have been women. Even back in the Old Days, anybody who tried to marginalize or ignore the views of, say, Avatar Yangchen or Avatar Kyoshi just because they were women was likely to find out real quick what a bad plan that was.

As it says in the BPGD file on the world, it's not perfect, but it's far from lamentable, and even where there isn't complete parity there's plenty of room for outliers: "Some traditional gender roles persist (and, for that matter, are still widely valued), but transgressing them is no longer considered shocking or shameful by most people."

Finally, now that we've all wandered this far down this philosophical path, it's also worth bearing in mind that she's teasing him, not making some subtle and nuanced social comment. Cripes. :)

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21. "RE: In Which Traitor Steps Up"
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   >Finally, now that we've all wandered this far down this philosophical
>path, it's also worth bearing in mind that she's teasing him,
>not making some subtle and nuanced social comment. Cripes. :)

Yeah, I, um, the comment + Traitor's reaction to it happened to strike a personal nerve that is worn exceptionally thin at the moment. Wasn't meant to be any deep criticism of the writing or anything. :)

if I were seriously going to bitch about the UF-25th century not being enough different from the 21st I would be complaining about the continued ubiquity of the automobile.


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   LAST EDITED ON Jun-17-14 AT 06:21 PM (EDT)
 
>if I were seriously going to bitch about the UF-25th century
>not being enough different from the 21st I would be complaining about
>the continued ubiquity of the automobile.

Don't even start with me about insufficient futuristicity of depicted technologies. Just don't do it. ISTR Phil Thorne went there once, when he wasn't wringing his hands about all the lesbians. It wasn't one of the better days at the office. :)

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23. "RE: In Which Traitor Steps Up"
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   LAST EDITED ON Jun-17-14 AT 07:57 PM (EDT)
 
You can tell that was a joke, right? It was a joke. Sometimes people can't tell when I'm joking.

>Also, "I'm Wringing My Hands About All of the Lesbians (Crypto Subtext)" is totally a Fall Out Boy track title from around From Under the Cork Tree.

Or anytime, really, though they seem to have toned it down a little in the latest release.


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   LAST EDITED ON Jun-17-14 AT 08:16 PM (EDT)
 
>You can tell that was a joke, right?

Yes, that's why my answer had a smiley on it.

>>Also, "I'm Wringing My Hands About All of the Lesbians (Crypto Subtext)" is totally a Fall Out Boy track title from around From Under the Cork Tree.
>
>Or anytime, really, though they seem to have toned it down a little in
>the latest release.

I know! Slightly disappointing. In the old days, "The Phoenix" would have been called "I Still Think Our Vintage Misery Looked a Little Better on Me, But You Can Wear It If You Really Want To (Put On Your War Paint)". Still, at least it's a kickass song, and in fairness I'd have gotten tired of typing that in Desolation Angel after a while.

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>>"I do have some seal jerky,"
>
>Now, blame my filthsome Limey upbringing, but I've always thought
>jerky was invented as a cautionary tale for what happens when you try
>to cook and eat your own shoes. Seal jerky? Squicks me out. I mean,
>ew.

For the record, I didn't invent the concept; it's explicitly mentioned as a Water Tribe staple back in ATLA. I'm not saying you needed to know that, just puttin' it out there. :)

(Also, what the hell with you people and getting squicked about everything lately?)

>>"Although you won't meet as many girls."
>
>Which is weird to me, because pretty much all my female-identifying
>friends are in STEM or related industries in some way.

Hmm, whereas I've been working in the Machine Tool Lab in the University of Maine's Mechanical Engineering Technology program for the last three years (which means I've seen three years' worth of MET students pass through, because they all have to take the introductory MTL class first year). Out of about sixty students in that course per year, I've so far seen five women.

I think it may depend on the particular discipline, too. Mechanical and civil engineering are very closely linked to the construction industry, and construction jobsites are still pretty much wall-to-wall dudes. That will have changed somewhat by the 25th century, but I suspect the building trades will still not be at anything like parity then (particularly in Dìqiú, which is a bit behind the galactic curve in some respects). UMaine's chemical engineering program, on the other hand, seems (to an outsider's casual glance) to be mostly women. Make of that what you will.

Note that I am in no way saying women can't be mechanical or civil engineers. I'm just saying that it doesn't look to me like many want to be, for whatever reasons.

>My own Opinions on baseball notwithstanding, this is a very pleasant
>thing for tourists to do that would never, ever happen in the UK.

Although that's mainly because you don't play much baseball there. :)

>You don't just rock up to a Premier League match and pay on the door;

And if you did, judging by what happens in Boston when Arsenal play at Fenway Park (this actually happens, and it is colossally surreal), you'd be killed to death by suspicious partisans who've been watching you since you got off the bus and concluded that you are some kind of foreign spy.

>tickets sell out months in advance

In fairness, along with what Pasha said elsewhere, this probably does happen to some 24th-century Major League Baseball teams. Just... not the Knights. :)

>>(In which a man who talks to people for a living is awkward over the phone)
>
>I... I buy this less. I don't know why, but it seems a little off. But
>hey, I don't know Korra like y'all do, maybe she does do that sort of
>thing. She certainly seems fairly impulsive, I got that from the field
>report, but then again... random customs guy? Hm. Not convinced.

What? She doesn't want to have his babies or anything, she's looking for an on-ramp to the local Young Person scene and he's the only local Young Person she even-kind-of knows. I'm not sure why that's so hard to credit.

>Also, by the way, can Americans in general not use the word spaz quite
>so much? Over on my side of the pond it's a pretty damned offensive
>term for people with disabilities, physical or mental.

This coming from a member of a culture where a word I'm not even going to type on this forum is no worse than a mildly offensive, even playfully teasing, insult. Regional variations for the... win? I guess?

>>"I'm Michael Dufresne, your host."
>
>Michael Dufresne. From the moment I saw him, I knew... he was fucked.

Whoops, I missed that one. His name's supposed to be rendered the French way - "Michel".

>>"Yeah [...] I know how that goes."
>
>I know enough to know that I kinda don't want to know, because I don't
>like the thought of Korra being put through the wringer by fate or by
>writers.

Protip: Don't watch the actual show, then, because that's all they do there.

>>"Think I'll take the Jaaag."
>
>Jeremy Clarkson describes Jags as "cars for men who take their wife
>out to dinner and flirt with the waitress all evening".

Indeed, The Jaaag's name actually comes from a news segment on an old Top Gear in which they discuss that very phenomenon.

>It's not the sort of car I associate with UF-Gryphon,
>generally, but I'm not complaining.

The Mark II XJ is one of the less caddish Jags, IMO, bit more sedate. Gryphon has one for no better reason than I've always kind of liked them. There used to be one for sale here in town that I rather coveted, but I know the problem with 1970s real-world Jags is that they don't actually work, so I never bought it. Fictional Gryph doesn't have that problem! D'accord!

>Oh Kei. It's like you never left. Which at this point, you, er,
>haven't, and, um... dammit, Time, stop dicking me around!

New "Time" to Keep Everything from Happening at Once

>Also, miniKate is precious and adorable and I want, like, fifty. And
>this is from someone who doesn't even like children.

Yeah, Li'l Kate worked out pretty well. She's got some more screen time coming in the next episode, too.

>Also, I imagine the car Gryphon's driving on Tomodachi to be a Morgan
>3Wheeler, shown here:
>
>
>I know it's not one of those, but come on, he's got one. You
>know it, I know it.

Ha, no, but he probably does have one in the warehouse someplace. (We've never actually seen the warehouse. I should fix that one of these days.)

For the IPO pool car he got on Tomodachi, I had in mind one of those hilariously tiny Japanese city cars. Something like a futurized version of the Subaru 360.

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13. "RE: In Which Traitor Steps Up"
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   >>>"I do have some seal jerky,"
>>
>>Now, blame my filthsome Limey upbringing, but I've always thought
>>jerky was invented as a cautionary tale for what happens when you try
>>to cook and eat your own shoes. Seal jerky? Squicks me out. I mean,
>>ew.
>
>For the record, I didn't invent the concept; it's explicitly mentioned
>as a Water Tribe staple back in ATLA. I'm not saying you needed to
>know that, just puttin' it out there. :)

Fair enough. =]

>(Also, what the hell with you people and getting squicked about
>everything lately?)

Hey, I wasn't squicked by the whole Korra realising that some dude whose nappies she remembers changing is a fine piece of ass. I just think of seals as cute-thing rather than food-thing.

*tucks into some cold lamb while perfectly aware of the hypocrisy*

>>>"Although you won't meet as many girls."
>>
>>Which is weird to me, because pretty much all my female-identifying
>>friends are in STEM or related industries in some way.
>
>Hmm, whereas I've been working in the Machine Tool Lab in the
>University of Maine's Mechanical Engineering Technology program for
>the last three years (which means I've seen three years' worth of MET
>students pass through, because they all have to take the introductory
>MTL class first year). Out of about sixty students in that course per
>year, I've so far seen five women.
>
>I think it may depend on the particular discipline, too. Mechanical
>and civil engineering are very closely linked to the construction
>industry, and construction jobsites are still pretty much wall-to-wall
>dudes. That will have changed somewhat by the 25th century, but I
>suspect the building trades will still not be at anything like parity
>then (particularly in Dìqiú, which is a bit behind the galactic
>curve in some respects). UMaine's chemical engineering
>program, on the other hand, seems (to an outsider's casual glance) to
>be mostly women. Make of that what you will.
>
>Note that I am in no way saying women can't be
>mechanical or civil engineers. I'm just saying that it doesn't look
>to me like many want to be, for whatever reasons.

'S'fine. It wasn't a rebuke, merely an observation. I know that the opinions of a character do not necessarily mirror the author's own; if they did, we'd be drowning in MPD sufferers.

>>You don't just rock up to a Premier League match and pay on the door;
>
>And if you did, judging by what happens in Boston when Arsenal play at
>Fenway Park (this actually happens, and it is colossally
>surreal), you'd be killed to death by suspicious partisans who've been
>watching you since you got off the bus and concluded that you are some
>kind of foreign spy.

Er... are you sure it's Arsenal? And not, say, Liverpool, who are actually owned by the same guy as owns the Red Sox? Of course, it could be Liverpool vs. Arsenal, and of course I could be completely wrong, but Liverpool's the much more likely team to find there.

>>>(In which a man who talks to people for a living is awkward over the phone)
>>
>>I... I buy this less. I don't know why, but it seems a little off. But
>>hey, I don't know Korra like y'all do, maybe she does do that sort of
>>thing. She certainly seems fairly impulsive, I got that from the field
>>report, but then again... random customs guy? Hm. Not convinced.
>
>What? She doesn't want to have his babies or anything, she's looking
>for an on-ramp to the local Young Person scene and he's the only local
>Young Person she even-kind-of knows. I'm not sure why that's so hard
>to credit.

Flyers. Guidebooks. Online reviews. Rough Guides. A copy of So You Just Arrived In New Avalon. There are other, more credible options to me, is what I'm driving at.

>>Also, by the way, can Americans in general not use the word spaz quite
>>so much? Over on my side of the pond it's a pretty damned offensive
>>term for people with disabilities, physical or mental.
>
>This coming from a member of a culture where a word I'm not even going
>to type on this forum is no worse than a mildly offensive, even
>playfully teasing, insult. Regional variations for the... win? I
>guess?

Yeah, well, y'all banned Kinder Eggs. *rides off into the sunset on a giant, monocle-wearing bulldog*

>>>"I'm Michael Dufresne, your host."
>>
>>Michael Dufresne. From the moment I saw him, I knew... he was fucked.
>
>Whoops, I missed that one. His name's supposed to be rendered the
>French way - "Michel".

To be honest, I make that joke with people I know IRL called DuFresne no matter what their first name is. =]

>>>"Yeah [...] I know how that goes."
>>
>>I know enough to know that I kinda don't want to know, because I don't
>>like the thought of Korra being put through the wringer by fate or by
>>writers.
>
>Protip: Don't watch the actual show, then, because that's all they
>do there.

sssh. sssh korra. no tears. only galactic adventures and li'l kates.

>>Also, miniKate is precious and adorable and I want, like, fifty. And
>>this is from someone who doesn't even like children.
>
>Yeah, Li'l Kate worked out pretty well. She's got some more screen
>time coming in the next episode, too.

>>Also, I imagine the car Gryphon's driving on Tomodachi to be a Morgan
>>3Wheeler, shown here:
>>
>>
>>I know it's not one of those, but come on, he's got one. You
>>know it, I know it.

>
>Ha, no, but he probably does have one in the warehouse someplace.
>(We've never actually seen the warehouse. I should fix that one of
>these days.)
>
>For the IPO pool car he got on Tomodachi, I had in mind one of those
>hilariously tiny Japanese city cars. Something like a futurized
>version of the Subaru 360.

Oooh! Oooh! Futuristic Renault Twizy!


"Look," said Gryphon, pinching his nose, "this is ridiculous. We've got at least one actual frickin' Time Lord on the books. At least. There is no reason or excuse for the car pool to contain something so damn small I had to rub up against a beautiful woman while oh I see. Carry on."

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15. "RE: In Which Traitor Steps Up"
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   LAST EDITED ON Jun-17-14 AT 03:17 PM (EDT)
 
>Hey, I wasn't squicked by the whole Korra realising that some dude
>whose nappies she remembers changing is a fine piece of ass.

That's one way of putting it, I suppose.

>Er... are you sure it's Arsenal? And not, say, Liverpool, who are
>actually owned by the same guy as owns the Red Sox?

I wasn't paying that much attention, but I remember noticing that Arsenal was on the bill when they were advertising it on TV during Sox games last summer, and I know it's a regular thing. They might've been the "visiting" team.

>>What? She doesn't want to have his babies or anything, she's looking
>>for an on-ramp to the local Young Person scene and he's the only local
>>Young Person she even-kind-of knows. I'm not sure why that's so hard
>>to credit.
>
>Flyers. Guidebooks. Online reviews. Rough Guides. A copy of So You
>Just Arrived In New Avalon
. There are other, more credible options
>to me, is what I'm driving at.

I guess? Except in the paragraph before she calls him, she's specifically thinking that she wants to get out and interact with people:

        What she found was interesting and informative, but having been
reprocessed through the city's various press organs, it was also a bit
dry and clinical. Returning to her hotel room at five-thirty, Korra
made herself some tea and considered her next move for a few minutes.
She thought she'd absorbed enough freeze-dried information from the
press archives for one day; now she needed something a bit warmer and
more immediate. As she had done every evening so far, she needed to get
out and move around in the city, see if she could put some living flesh
on the skeletal understanding of the place she'd begun to develop. This
time, though, she needed to -talk- to some people. To really interact
with them, not just chat in passing or watch them at play, as she had
done during the opening phase of the project. It was time to take
things up a level.

Frankly, "So she went down the street to Indigo and bought a Fodor's guide" would be a less-than-whelming followup to that graf if you ask me.

I'm really and truly a little baffled that you find it implausible that an outgoing, dynamic personality like Korra's would want to experience a new city by making friends with some of the locals and doing their recreational things, quite aside from the fact that it wouldn't be much of a story if she just turtled up in her hotel room and surfed the Web.

>Yeah, well, y'all banned Kinder Eggs. *rides off into the sunset on a
>giant, monocle-wearing bulldog*

"I'm English, which means I crave disappointment. That's why I like Kinder Surprise. Horrible chocolate; nasty little toy!"
- Bill Bailey, paraphrased from memory

>Oooh! Oooh! Futuristic Renault Twizy!
>
>

Yeah, something very like that, although at least big enough to have doors.

I have a peculiar fondness for very small cars, despite being quite a large man. True story: I test drove a Smart (the model that's called the Fortwo in the rest of the world; it's the only kind they sell here, so I suppose they didn't feel the need to give it a distinct model name) a few years ago. It was epic. Hand on heart, I would have bought it if I'd had the money; it was like driving an office chair that can go 80 miles per hour and has a radio and a heater. Really, really enjoyable.

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24. "RE: In Which Traitor Steps Up"
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   >>(Section in which Korra resolves to see some besbaw)
>
>My own Opinions on baseball notwithstanding, this is a very pleasant
>thing for tourists to do that would never, ever happen in the UK. You
>don't just rock up to a Premier League match and pay on the door;
>tickets sell out months in advance and most of them go to the prawn
>sandwich brigade. It's nice that something like this can still happen
>hundreds of years in the future.

I don't think Korra would want to go to a Premier League match. It seems to me that her primary goal in going to see the Knights is to soak up the atmosphere of the stadium, so if she wanted to do the UK equivalent, she'd pick a lower-league team's match to watch - possibly even a non-league team.

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28. "RE: In Which Traitor Steps Up"
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   >>(In which a man who talks to people for a living is awkward over the phone)

Not actually that unusual. I talk to people over the phone for a living and it's really not the same as talking to them face to face. There aren't the visual cues and when it's your living you have to learn to overcome that.

(Video-phones may one day relegate the skills to cope with that in a professional or amateur level to SCA re-enactments, so I'm glad to see New Avalon hasn't taken them to heart).

So Zant being personable in person but awkward on the phone (and in a less work-constrained conversation) isn't implausible.

...and that wasn't your point, was it.

Oh well. 'tis my fault.

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30. "RE: In Which Traitor Steps Up"
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>So Zant being personable in person but awkward on the phone (and in a
>less work-constrained conversation) isn't implausible.

What makes it even more believable was that, even in person, once he'd gone off script, as it were, he got pretty awkward pretty quick. Babbling about seal jerky and his lack of lunch, stumbling a half-hearted pass (well, not so much a *pass at*, but definitely a step in that direction), etc. I can't remember the last time a border agent said more than three words *NOT* in their script at me.

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29. "RE: COMING 6/16: An Avatar in New Avalon"
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   No in-depth review or analysis from my end, unfortunately, but I do want to point out one detail:

> "You actually got Zuse to give away free samples?" said Ragnar,
> impressed. "Girl, you could sell ice to a polar bear."

Spoken by an actual polar bear.

I laughed heartily for a good 15 to 30 seconds over this.


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32. "RE: COMING 6/16: An Avatar in New Avalon"
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   >"Maybe. But very sophisticated thugs for hire, and very
>selective about who they let hire them. Their leader's an ex-3WA TroCon
>called Slade."

"Slade Wilson? Isn't that the mute Salusian special forces guy? What's he doing running a merc outfit of New Avalon?"

"No, that's Slade O. Wilson. Slade P. Wilson is who you're thinking of. They both wear masks, use katanas, and are from Earth, though. Just different parts of Earth."

"...Spec Ops is a weird community."

"You got no idea, man."

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33. "RE: COMING 6/16: An Avatar in New Avalon"
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   >>"Maybe. But very sophisticated thugs for hire, and very
>>selective about who they let hire them. Their leader's an ex-3WA TroCon
>>called Slade."
>
>"Slade Wilson? Isn't that the mute Salusian special forces guy?
>What's he doing running a merc outfit of New Avalon?"

Actually, the man in charge of the Sky Raiders is called Virgil Slade - it's his last name. He's a composite of Slade from the Teen Titans cartoon (who was supposed to be Deathstroke the Overrated, but they couldn't call him that because it was a kids' show) and Colonel Virgil Duray, the leader of the original City of Heroes version of the Sky Raiders.

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   Well if you want to use FACTS :P

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