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DaemeonX
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"Cold days from Jim Butcher"
 
   Anyone else getting excited about the new Dresden Files release? The first chapter is poster on his website. I know that it just feeds the addiction, but something is better than nothing!

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  RE: Cold days from Jim Butcher mdg1 Nov-06-12 1
     RE: Cold days from Jim Butcher twipper Nov-07-12 2
         RE: Cold days from Jim Butcher mdg1 Nov-07-12 3
             RE: Cold days from Jim Butcher DaemeonX Nov-07-12 4
     RE: Cold days from Jim Butcher Gryphonadmin Nov-07-12 5
         RE: Cold days from Jim Butcher mdg1 Nov-07-12 6
             RE: Cold days from Jim Butcher EagerCadet Nov-07-12 7
             RE: Cold days from Jim Butcher twipper Nov-08-12 8
         RE: Cold days from Jim Butcher DaemeonX Nov-08-12 9
             RE: Cold days from Jim Butcher zojojojo Nov-13-12 10
                 RE: Cold days from Jim Butcher DaemeonX Nov-13-12 11
                     RE: Cold days from Jim Butcher zojojojo Nov-13-12 12
     RE: Cold days from Jim Butcher Pasha Nov-20-12 16
         RE: Cold days from Jim Butcher mdg1 Nov-20-12 17
  RE: Cold days from Jim Butcher Pasha Nov-20-12 13
     RE: Cold days from Jim Butcher EagerCadet Nov-20-12 14
         RE: Cold days from Jim Butcher Pasha Nov-20-12 15
     RE: Cold days from Jim Butcher twipper Nov-29-12 21
  RE: Cold days from Jim Butcher jhosmer1 Nov-28-12 18
     RE: Cold days from Jim Butcher Pasha Nov-28-12 19
         RE: Cold days from Jim Butcher jhosmer1 Nov-28-12 20
             RE: Cold days from Jim Butcher trigger Dec-01-12 22

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mdg1
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1. "RE: Cold days from Jim Butcher"
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   I've been a Harry Dresden fan for quite some time. I'm just waiting for Gryph to use him as a Jedi Knight (complete with a holocron named "Bob" :) )

Mario


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2. "RE: Cold days from Jim Butcher"
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   I'll admit that Bob in the books has been an amusing sidekick. And putting Bob with Butters in Ghost Story was just plain fun.

But one of the things I thought the short-lived television really got right was Bob's casting. The tone of the writing and the dialogue given him, Bob in the tv series just fit for me for some reason.

Brian


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3. "RE: Cold days from Jim Butcher"
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   Amusing bit of trivia:

The actor who played Bob on the show is an American.

The actor who played Harry, OTOH, is English.

The gag goes that when the cameras went on, they swapped accents. :)

Mario


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4. "RE: Cold days from Jim Butcher"
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   >Amusing bit of trivia:
>
>The actor who played Bob on the show is an American.
>
>The actor who played Harry, OTOH, is English.
>
>The gag goes that when the cameras went on, they swapped accents. :)


I think that the series would be presented in a more magnificent manner if it was put on the big screen.

DaemeonX


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5. "RE: Cold days from Jim Butcher"
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   >I've been a Harry Dresden fan for quite some time. I'm just waiting
>for Gryph to use him as a Jedi Knight (complete with a holocron named
>"Bob" :) )

Eh, probably not going to happen. I've read the first book or two and I saw some of the TV series, but I dunno. The lego doesn't click.

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mdg1
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6. "RE: Cold days from Jim Butcher"
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   >>I've been a Harry Dresden fan for quite some time. I'm just waiting
>>for Gryph to use him as a Jedi Knight (complete with a holocron named
>>"Bob" :) )
>
>Eh, probably not going to happen. I've read the first book or two and
>I saw some of the TV series, but I dunno. The lego doesn't click.

Fair enough, although the (book) series improved drastically over later volumes. I usually suggest starting with DEAD BEAT, which has possibly one of the most bad-ass scenes in fiction...

Mario


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7. "RE: Cold days from Jim Butcher"
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   While the series does take off near Dead Beat, slogging through the beginning is where you'd start to appreciate the change and improvement.


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8. "RE: Cold days from Jim Butcher"
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   And the Oscar for Best Use of a Tyrannosaurus Skeleton goes to...


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9. "RE: Cold days from Jim Butcher"
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   >>I've been a Harry Dresden fan for quite some time. I'm just waiting
>>for Gryph to use him as a Jedi Knight (complete with a holocron named
>>"Bob" :) )
>
>Eh, probably not going to happen. I've read the first book or two and
>I saw some of the TV series, but I dunno. The lego doesn't click.
>
>--G.

Book four, Summer Knight, is where he starts to change up his writing style. Its a lot less boring with better intrigue and sleuthing. The first few books were a pain to get through.

DaemeonX


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10. "RE: Cold days from Jim Butcher"
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   LAST EDITED ON Nov-13-12 AT 08:49 PM (EST)
 
>Book four, Summer Knight, is where he starts to change up his writing
>style. Its a lot less boring with better intrigue and sleuthing. The
>first few books were a pain to get through.

it's reminiscent of UF in that regard... the early books are his early works, and he's improved with each volume.... though when you realize in book 12 or so that all of the first showed up in [CENSORED], it's impressive that he seems to have planned this whole thing out to an extent and isn't making it up as he goes to be a money tree

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11. "RE: Cold days from Jim Butcher"
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   >>Book four, Summer Knight, is where he starts to change up his writing
>>style. Its a lot less boring with better intrigue and sleuthing. The
>>first few books were a pain to get through.
>
>it's reminiscent of UF in that regard... the early books are his early
>works, and he's improved with each volume.... though when you realize
>in book 12 or so that all of the first showed up in
>, it's impressive that he seems to have planned this whole
>thing out to an extent and isn't making it up as he goes to be a money
>tree
>
>-Z
>
>
>---
>Remember kids: guns make you stupid, duct tape makes you smart.

If I recollect correctly he has enough material to get up into 20 or 30 volumes.

DaemeonX


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12. "RE: Cold days from Jim Butcher"
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   >>it's reminiscent of UF in that regard... the early books are his early
>>works, and he's improved with each volume.... though when you realize
>>in book 12 or so that all of the first showed up in
>>[CENSORED], it's impressive that he seems to have planned this whole
>>thing out to an extent and isn't making it up as he goes to be a money
>>tree
>>
>
>If I recollect correctly he has enough material to get up into 20 or
>30 volumes.

i believe he's said that the series will be in the 20 book range...

-Z


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16. "RE: Cold days from Jim Butcher"
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   >I've been a Harry Dresden fan for quite some time. I'm just waiting
>for Gryph to use him as a Jedi Knight (complete with a holocron named
>"Bob" :) )

I finally figured out why this was annoying me.

Why on earth would (if he were going to put him in) gryphon make him a Jedi knight?
It's not like there aren't other wizards, and especially in the later books, Harry is already hanging out with Odin.

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17. "RE: Cold days from Jim Butcher"
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   Well, I chose the Jedi Knights for a few reasons:

1) While there are a few magic users in UF, most of them aren't the spell-slinging sort. Not a lot of zap-kaboom. :)

2) The idea Butcher uses of black magic being a corrupting influence fits very well with the Dark Side.

2) Harry works best when he has authority figures to annoy. I can just picture him showing up for a Jedi Council meeting in a bathrobe & fuzzy slippers...

But yeah, IF Gryph chose to use him, he could do whatever her wanted. I was just brainstorming.

(I did the same for the New Gods once. I get bored a lot...)

Mario


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13. "RE: Cold days from Jim Butcher"
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   Read it a couple weeks ago.

Good use of the various bits of world building so far. Toot toot is fucking awesome. There wasn't any Mister, so how good could it really be?

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14. "RE: Cold days from Jim Butcher"
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   Mister was there. He made his usually tackle and left.

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15. "RE: Cold days from Jim Butcher"
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   The only time he's mentioned is when Dresden is whinging about how much he misses his friends, family, and cat.

The last time we saw mister was in Ghost Story, when he showed up and rubbed against Harry's leg while living at Karrin's place.

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21. "RE: Cold days from Jim Butcher"
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   While Mister is indeed a favored character of mine, I am enjoying Cat Sith's Cheshire-esque interruptions.

Although some part of my mind wonders if Mister and Cat Sith aren't indeed the same person.

Brian


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18. "RE: Cold days from Jim Butcher"
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   Just finished it last night. Not as earth-shattering as Changes, but the story is moving along and I think Butcher managed another home run here.

My only problem with the book is a moment when Butcher (through Harry) gets up on a soapbox on some social issues. (You'll know it when you see it). I don't disagree with his opinion, but it felt out of place. Still, that's only one page in a pretty good book.


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19. "RE: Cold days from Jim Butcher"
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   "It's a birthday party. I wore my birthday suit."


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   "Do not underestimate the depth of this favor."


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22. "RE: Cold days from Jim Butcher"
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   I wasn't feeling the love on this one. The setup was mostly obvious from the start, and the ending wasn't much of a surprise either. I'm down with foreshadowing, but really, the whole damn thing seemed about as interesting as a run through Wolfenstein Castle...about 10 years after you first mastered it.

and seriously, the pro-gay lifestyle pitch? awkward. I can't tell if that was supposed to be awkward, supposed to be in character, or if he basically realized he needed to say something positive about gay people before using a cruising site for a scene. And seriously, cruising site a cold, windy, lake front area? In 2012? I realize the internet might be awkward for Harry, but for everyone else...

disappointed,
t.

caveat: the writing is better that before. Butcher is clearly looking to Chandler - at least in his "confrontation" scenes. Now I wish he'd take a clue from Hammett on pacing and plotting.

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