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"TIA #3"
 
   It's hee-ere! *scampers off to read*

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Mister Fnord
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1. "RE: TIA #3"
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   I'm about a dozen paragraphs in, but I've gotta say the bit with the Camaro was absolutely priceless. :D

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2. "RE: TIA #3"
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   > "Some say that he was forged in the fires of the Third Vietnam
>War, and that he's Stark Industries' one-man answer to GENOM's entire
>corporate army."
> With a slight flourish, like a man unveiling a newly designed
>car, he whipped the cloth away. What he revealed by doing so was a dull
>grey metallic man-shape, reclining on an angled worktable like a
>mechanical Frankenstein monster in an old movie, the empty eyeslots of
>its helmet staring blankly up at the glowstrips.
> "I call him Iron Man," Stark said.

this scene alone killed me

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3. "RE: TIA #3"
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   >It's hee-ere! *scampers off to read*

Yes! Almost makes up for getting the "let's be friends" message yesterday from the girl I was dating. Not quite, though.

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4. "RE: TIA #3"
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   KITT, huh? I'm very amused.

I never got around to reading enough of HL to see the wondercar in it, but I figure that's gotta be Gryph's "No wait, I can't do that....wait, why can't I do that?"

I am definitely entertained by the implications of this. Just the sort of crazy crossover mashup madness I've come to expect and love from an Eyrie Production.


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   Your suspicion, Sir, has been proven entirely correct. The socks have been more than rocked. They've been blasted off, never to be seen again. I've never made a post along these lines because your work always amazes me, and I always love every bit of it. I can state without reservation that this is absolutely the best thing I've read. Ever. By anyone. You have my deepest thanks, and heartiest congratulations. WHEE!!!!!!!!!

-Simonz
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6. "RE: TIA #3"
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   That did not disappoint one bit.

...I'm now drooling in anticipation of TIA #4. :)

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7. "RE: TIA #3"
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   PEPSIMAAAN!

*pshhh!*


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   gleep gleep gleep!! awesome damn spiffy!

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   "Yeah, Russian genes," she said. "That means she's a ticking
time bomb. The second she hits 35? -Boom.- Beware of Neo-Soviet
expansionism."

All her life she's fought against imperialism. Now, Nene is the expanding Russian frontier.


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   > "Yeah, Russian genes," she said. "That means she's a
>ticking
>time bomb. The second she hits 35? -Boom.- Beware of Neo-Soviet
>expansionism."

>
>All her life she's fought against imperialism. Now, Nene is the
>expanding Russian frontier.

I just have to say I'm really looking forwards to hearing the audio for that whole scene when Gryph gets around to it. :D

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   I had this pop up right at the start of my lunch break, which made for fun reading.

>"Yo. Yeah. Yeah, I'm back. Gonna need a ride home from the
>airport. What? No, it won't start. No. Nope. You're... just gonna
>have to see it. Okay. Yeah. Long-term parking, green section, level
>5, row 75. Okay. See you."

Ah, I see GENOM are textbook followers of the 'simple threats alongside murder' style of intimidation... *Looks at the Camaro Cube* Actually, that's pretty damn impressive. Points for the liscence plate.

Aqua City - was someone so twisted as to build a little girl Buma to house the black box this time?

>"Just the woman I wanted to see," he said. "I'm about to buy a
>very fast convertible and take it for its first drive, and it's a
>condition of Tony's will that whenever I do that, I have to have a
>blonde with me."

I'd ask if Ben was just joking, but then I remember we're talking about Tony.

The scenes with the construction of Stark Tower was interesting, with some plot details and such... but what got my attention really was things like GENOM's control of the construction industry in Japan, and all the frightening details that presents, and Nenes note of American robots. I'm guessing Japan has laws (Brought in by GENOM controlled politicians) regarding import taxes and such to make it incredibly difficult for any company to try and gain a foothold in Japan.

What are America and other major nations like in regards to robots vs boomers?

>The two men who had attacked him were being beaten back, handled
>with finely programmed martial skill and preternatural strength, by a
>superhero.

At first it was another example of GENOM trying to show a reporter and business competitor his place, but then... the arrival of Pepsiman left me with my first case of snickering so badly I had everyone else at work giving me odd looks.

>"It's Westralian," Zoner said. "I had it flown in on a
>suborbital from Perth.

Never heard that term before... Dare I ask what happened to the land down under?

The barbecue scene was just brilliant. I'm always fond of scenes that're just the main cast taking it easy, hanging out and so forth. The bantering and dialogue was great fun to read. Neo-Soviet Expansionism...

JARVIS! Oh, that was a welcome addition. Along with Friday, it certainly makes for a fun AI cast.

The Linna-Priss Banter in their visit to the Foundry was almost like I imagined. The first BGC video I watched was Revenge Road, so my mental image of those two interacting has always come from the scene with them in the hospital. Linna going to Ben for help with Irene wasn't something I thought of, although honestly, it's obvious. The followup adventures with Irene redefining her limits was a fun read.

>"-That- is the device itself," he said. "It's called an arc
>reactor."

*Snickers* I can just imagine the look on Sylias face at that. The movie just has so many fun ideas in it...

>"nngh, god damn. bright," a voice croaked from the other side
>of the bed. Stark glanced over to see a fold of covers dragged into
>position to ward off the dim glow, leaving only a smudge of dark hair
>visible between comforter and pillow.

And once again, there are the amusing similarities between HL and TIA that bring a smile to a long time fans face.

Irene learning the truth about Kenshiros death was good, especially as it led back into her growing, well, obsession with her job.

The scenes with the building of the Mark 2 armor were interesting, but I can't think of much to say there. I'm a sucker for the world-building details, so I was happy. Plus, it had a Stig style intro, and that just broke me.

Nenes first cyberimplant was a surprise, I'm not really sure why.

And then we got to the moment I knew was coming. It was nice to see Irene not panic and get hunted down so coldly here, as compared to the source material. Sure, she was trying to escape in her car, no crazy fight scene or some nonsense...

... Then my lunch break finished, and two hours later, I come back to find a Boomer waiting for her :P Maybe it's the way you made Irene a character, or the fact she had fighting chance in the car chase, but I honestly hoped she was going to survive. Made it more of a shock when she still died, but I think it's a credit to how well you wrote her into the story that you were able to give it impact even with knowledge of the source material.

And all this led into the first battle of the new Iron Man armor. I liked the rushed launch making for tiny little issues that nearly got him killed. Nene as off-site support just seemed weird, yet more suitable at the same time. I'm curious to see where she goes in this story.

The 'icing problem' solution was a nice movie nod, and a good way of having Iron Man take down the Boomer even with the problems he was having. That said, I really want the Sabers to get upgraded soon, just so they don't get left behind.

All in all, a really fun story, and now I need to find my socks...

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16. "RE: TIA #3"
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   >Actually, that's pretty damn impressive. Points for the liscence
>plate.

When I was working on that scene, I think it was Rob Shannon who pointed out in the studio that the cube needed to have a legible license plate on the front of it. And he was entirely correct.

>Aqua City - was someone so twisted as to build a little girl Buma to
>house the black box this time?

Probably, yeah. When in doubt, it's usually safe to assume that stuff from the original BGC that's implied, but not shown on screen, went down in more or less the same way.

>I'm guessing Japan has laws (Brought in by GENOM controlled
>politicians) regarding import taxes and such to make it incredibly
>difficult for any company to try and gain a foothold in Japan.

Indeed. Well, the laws about establishing corporations within Japan aren't much more stringent than anywhere else in the world (in the main, GENOM relies on its own anticompetitive practices to deal with that), but imports of certain classes of products that compete with GENOM's are very tightly controlled. For instance, as implied in that scene, it's very expensive to import industrial labor robots manufactured overseas. This was framed as a measure to protect the national economy, not to give leverage to GENOM specifically, but since they've more or less crushed all the other Japanese manufacturers of things that could compete with boomers, well, there you are.

>What are America and other major nations like in regards to robots vs
>boomers?

Labor robots are part of the landscape throughtout the developed world, doing the jobs that humans can't or aren't willing to do. Your average civilian doesn't give them much thought; they're just there, like cars and vacuum cleaners. When they go wrong (which seems to happen to boomers more frequently than, say, USR Nestors, but GENOM has devoted a lot of effort to preventing that kind of statistical analysis), it's generally viewed as an engineering accident, like a plane crash brought on by a software failure - regrettable, but not sinister.

The boomer reigns supreme in terms of worldwide market penetration owing to GENOM's dominance of the market throughout the Asia-Pacific region, but outside of Japan there are other players. As we see here, U.S. Robotics (formerly U.S. Robots and Mechanical Men, Inc.) is a significant manufacturer of boomer-competitors, and in the United States their market share edges GENOM's by a fair margin. Elsewhere, for instance in most of Europe, the two are the main competitors, with a few local fringe players in the more developed nations (Royal Enfield Robot Works in the UK, for example).

The big exception is the New Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, where foreign-manufactured goods are virtually banned and equipment produced by state-run factories is by far the norm. These, after the typical fashion of Soviet industry, are usually identified by the design bureau that created their specifications, not the factories that build them. OKB K.I. Rosumov is the principal source of designs for both civilian and military robots in the NUSSR.

Neo-Soviet industry, by the by, is not the worldwide joke that Old Soviet industry was. They learned a lot about industrial management and efficient labor during what is "now" (in 2032) known as the Gorbachev-Yeltsin Experiment. Their stuff tends to be very cleverly engineered (but then, Russian scientists and engineers have always been first-rate) and of reasonable-to-excellent build quality, depending on the factory. Their automobiles, in particular, are exported with great success all over the world. If Ben Stark hadn't fallen in love at first sight with that Rolls, he might well have ended the day by buying a ZiL Buran super sport/grand tourer.

>>"It's Westralian," Zoner said. "I had it flown in on a
>>suborbital from Perth.
>
>Never heard that term before... Dare I ask what happened to the land
>down under?

In TIA's world, "Westralia" is common shorthand for "Western Australia", which in the real world is one of the states of the Commonwealth of Australia. Historically, Western Australia barely joined the rest of the commonwealth at federation, and then only reluctantly. It's conceivable that by 2032 it's seceded and is an independent or semi-independent country, but I wasn't trying to imply that (and haven't decided, since at the moment it isn't important).

>The barbecue scene was just brilliant. I'm always fond of scenes
>that're just the main cast taking it easy, hanging out and so forth.

The framing for that sequence was Zoner's biggest direct contribution; he's got a marked fondness for that kind of scene as well, and besides, we needed some way to establish (however tangentially) the Knight Sabers' interest in the satellite control device, and Stark's knowledge of same, before it appeared again toward the end of the issue.

>>"nngh, god damn. bright," a voice croaked from the other side
>>of the bed. Stark glanced over to see a fold of covers dragged into
>>position to ward off the dim glow, leaving only a smudge of dark hair
>>visible between comforter and pillow.
>
>And once again, there are the amusing similarities between HL and TIA
>that bring a smile to a long time fans face.

Heh, yeah, I put that bit in more or less on a whim. It occurred to me that I would enjoy a callback to the original scene in which the characters behaved like grown-ups rather than halfwit college students. In this case it's fairly apparent that their, er, encounter was not accidental, did not happen during a blackout, and requires no particular contemplation by either party after the fact. (It's also a reasonably good indicator that, for all that he's "adopted", Ben has some measure of the Stark-nature. :)

>I think it's a credit to how well you wrote her
>into the story that you were able to give it impact even with
>knowledge of the source material.

Thank you. More on this later, when I get time to respond to one of the other posts further down.

>That said, I really want the Sabers to get upgraded soon, just
>so they don't get left behind.

For the moment, that's contingent on a couple of factors, the main one being that Ben needs to find a way of powering up new arc reactors that doesn't involve momentarily blacking out Japan. He's working on it. :)

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19. "RE: TIA #3"
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   >(It's also a
>reasonably good indicator that, for all that he's "adopted", Ben has
>some measure of the Stark-nature. :)

Between this and one scene in TIA #2, I'm wondering how much of the overflow that Ben mentions was really his imagination.

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   >Between this and one scene in TIA #2, I'm wondering how much of the
>overflow that Ben mentions was really his imagination.

Hmm. I've been wondering the same actually.

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   Wow. This was just the perfect thing for my day out here wherever we are in the big pond we call the Pacific Ocean. Thank you ever so kindly for the awesome read, Gryphon. I can hardly wait to see what happens next! ^_^


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13. "RE: TIA #3"
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   Man, I hope the hotel chefs didn't see Zoner grinding up those steaks. They probably would have gone apoplectic.

Also, I wouldn't trust a perfectly spherical tomato. It's probably up to something.

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23. "RE: TIA #3"
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   >Also, I wouldn't trust a perfectly spherical tomato. It's probably up
>to something.

Believe it or not, there's a Florida state law that controls tomato export--all of them have to look like actual roundish tomatoes.

Which is a shame--you ought to try an Ugly. They're big, misshapen tomatoes that are absolutly delish anywhere you want to place a tomato. :)

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14. "RE: TIA #3"
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   > "Dude, that's your -car-."

I dunno, somehow this doesnt quite feel Zonerish enough; then again I've gotten pretty used to mr Inscruitably chaotic as portrayed in UF-FI, so its probobly just a personal visualization error.

> The parking space, which had presumably once contained Stark's
> grey 2019 Camaro, now contained a neatly cube-shaped mass of crushed
> grey metal about four feet on a side, surrounded by a small halo of
> safety glass pebbles. Clearly visible on the front face was a slightly
> scuffed New York license plate.

HUH???

> Stark nodded. "Yup."
> Zoner regarded the cube for a few more seconds.
> "I have to admit," he said, "it has a certain style."
> Stark nodded. "Yup. Putting it back in the same parking space,
> you mean."
> "Yeah."

Well, I cant argue with that logic. It also shows a great deal more resources that one should be wary of over simply having it stolen. Especially if whoever in the ranks aranged for it to be crushed in place.

> Stark got up. "It really does." Picking up his suitcase, he
> turned to get into the Land Rover, then paused and turned back to Zoner.
> "Of course, you realize, this means war."

More of a line I'd expect to see Dough Sangoir, Bob Shroeck's protagonist use, but it still works.

> Oh, and if you could start looking around for another Camaro. Yeah. A
> '69 Z/28, if you can find one. Hardtop. Not yellow. You know what I
> like. Uh-huh. Great. No, that should do it for now. Bye."

Ooo.... a REALLY REALLY oldie but goodie, I see. Then again, given Tony's penchant for cars, I'm surprised that there isnt one in the collection already. On the third hand... I'm investigating this way to deeply. Especially for 3am local.

> "Fatigue editor," Zoner replied, tapping his chipjack.
> Stark shivered slightly, remembering a deeply unpleasant
> encounter with a Russian anti-fatigue chip in Severomorsk a few years
> back. "Those things are dangerous," he said.
> Knowing exactly what his problem was, Zoner shrugged as he got
> to his feet. "I wrote this one myself," he said. "It's perfectly
> safe."

Well, you have already well established that this Zoner is just as much a tech lover as the UF-E version. I just dont see why he felt a great need to use it; its not like he's been keeping the same schedule that TIA Ben has.

> "Just the woman I wanted to see," he said. "I'm about to buy a
> very fast convertible and take it for its first drive, and it's a
> condition of Tony's will that whenever I do that, I have to have a
> blonde with me."

My first reaction to this was TIA you had to be pulling Nene's (and by extension our) leg with this, but then again, when you remember the circumstances under which Tony re wrote it (basicly recovering from one MASSIVE bender) it just could well be the truth!

> "It's a damned nuisance, really," Stark said. "I don't -know-
> many blondes. I haven't been able to buy a new convertible since Dana
> stopped speaking to me in 2030."

Hmm. Ok, either your really selling the joke or it really IS the truth. As I said above, on second thought not really that surprising... though at this point my perceptions of Tony Stark are rather heavily measured against Downey's portray of him from this year.

> Where the Camaro's "tunnel note" had been a doppler-layered
> chorus of reflected high-tuned turbine shriek, the new car made
> practically no sound at all. It produced only a low, faintly eerie
> whistle and an almost subliminal hum, similar to the sound given off by
> high-tension power lines, both sounds all but swallowed up by the roar
> of the vehicle's slipstream.

Kind of lost here. Are you trying to imply that the new Rolls is another all electric, or just that its well muffled? Cant be an Arc Reactor under the hood, that's not available until later on this chapter.

> "You want to talk stuffy,
> this isn't the first Rolls I've had. I used to have a '23 Silver Shade.
> Full-dress limo, the kind you have someone else drive for you. It was
> Tony's pretend-I'm-a-grown-up- executive car. I rode back and forth to
> court in that damn thing for the better part of eight months. Like a
> rolling mausoleum."
> "And then what? You sold it?"
> He shook his head, the smile becoming a little sharper. "Sent
> it to Cousin Morgan after the probate hearings were over. Kind of a
> consolation prize."
> Nene giggled. "Ohh. -Cold.-"

Indeed. Just the sort of thing that warms the cockles of my heart... And I can easily see why Ben would want to be shut of it, since riding it all those months during the probate hearings would have (ahem) driven home the ill ease he felt stepping into Tony's life, even if it was at Tony's bequest.

> that the same was being
> built with pride by Cianbro Corporation of Maine. The sign was also
> adorned with the distinctive logo of U.S. Robotics - and now that Nene
> looked more closely, the construction workers she could see moving
> purposefully around the site weren't construction workers at all.
> "They're all robots," she observed. "American robots."

Cinabro rises again! Must be nice to have a friend in the 'King', so to speak. And just like Ben to stick as many fingers as he can afford in Genom's eye. Crushing a Camero... is there no end to their evil?

> That'd be like letting Russians build the new U.S. embassy in
> Moscow. Which happened."

Indeed. Were they ever able to 'clean' the building? I'm embarassed to admit that while I had a chuckle at the State Departments' gulilebility in the matter, It quickly droped off my rader.

> "Oh. By the way, Henry... "
> "Yes?"
> "Why are the NS-5s wearing hardhats?"
> Rausch grinned. "I started that on a bridge job in Delaware a
> few years ago. It was originally a gag for a buddy of mine who's an
> OSHA inspector, but it got written up in the company magazine and
> somebody at Headquarters liked it. Publicity thing. Makes the robots
> seem more human."

Not that, as he points out in the next line, that they need it as badly as the older models did. Still, its proof that a truely great gag has a life far beyond its original design spec.

> The two men who had attacked him were being beaten back, handled
> with finely programmed martial skill and preternatural strength, by a
> superhero.
> Obeying a deeply ingrained security protocol intended for use in
> protecting designated points-of-sale and repeat customers, Pepsiman had
> rushed to his rescue.

OMG.... Just too Hilarious!!!!

> Pepsiman bowed, then regarded him for a couple of moments with
> its blank silver face. Then, with a dramatic gesture and a trademarked
> sound effect, it presented him with an ice-cold can of Pepsi from
> somewhere within its workings.
> "Yeah," Stark said, pressing the can to his forehead for a few
> moments before cracking it open. "Definitely what I need."

Yup. nothing helps one recover from a stomping quite like a nice frosty beverage!

> "Pepsiman just saved my ass, that's what happened," said Stark
> with a slightly painful smile. "You should give him a raise."

Or give Yamada a lead on some of Pepsiman's harder to find parts. Perhaps you should have TIA Ben have Friday look into that for him?

> "I certainly hope so," said Zoner, deadpan. "Kobe beef isn't
> cheap."

HEH. You know, just the other night I was watching Cat Cora do battle with Art Smith, and she did just that... ground up the american version of Kobe beef to make very very expensive but tasty Cheesburgers (It was Battle Cheddar, you see)

> "I'm sure I don't know what you mean," Sylia replied with
> perfect placidity. "If a small group of mercenaries were contracted by
> the American defense establishment to retrieve a piece of stolen black
> technology, I would surely be the last person to know."

I just gotta wonder, did they have to ride the bus to the base in their hardsuits, just like in the 'source'?

> "I got a rehearsal tonight," she said. "Thought maybe I'd show
> the boys in my band how the other half lives." With a smirk, she added,
> "Maybe it'll motivate them to try harder for the big time."

I was about to make a couple of snarky comments about getting to watch Priss's backside in her concert getup, but they'd see it all the time, and to be honest would have to tune it out and concentrate on their craft, wouldnt they? And it also proves something I've yet to get through my MIL's head... She only buys the super expensive 90ish percent lean stuff; while I buy 80/20 and get better results because, as Alton Brown notes... theres FLAVOR in that there fat.

> "You've ruined me for life," Nene complained from the couch in
> the living room. "Not only am I going to gain ten pounds after this,
> I'll never be able to enjoy a normal hamburger ever again."

I'm with Linna on the first part... no way anyone with either Nene's metabolism is ever going to gain weight unless she's forced to slow down without slowing down her intake. I'd have to agree with the second point. Once you've had the best, the rest just feels like the rest.

> "Yeah, Russian genes," she said. "That means she's a ticking
> time bomb. The second she hits 35? -Boom.- Beware of Neo-Soviet
> expansionism."

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

> "In Soviet Russia, cake eats -you,-" Priss went on
> remorselessly.
> "Shut uuuup."

Cant breath... need air!!!!!

> But of course there was no observer to see them, and outside,

Yet another image to add to your impossibly long list of things to draw for us, Phil?

> As such, the familiar
> "hot librarian" model of Friday's avatar (another of Tony's creations,

Definatly this one should be added to your list, even if you never get to the one above. Which also raises a question... Did Tony have Heinlein's Friday in mind, or just a generic girl friday when he wrote her?

> "Can I get your help for a second, lads? I need to crate up Mr.
> Clanky." He gestured to the dull grey mass of the original Iron Man
> armor, which was standing assembled in the corner of the shop like a
> dressmaker's dummy.

Hang on... This was tickling in the back of my brain, but didnt really formulate till this point through on the re read. Now, I'm willing to suppose that my brain has forgotten a large chunk of the chapter 2 (something which I will be fixing later on today...) but I thought that their alliance was stil tenative at best? I suppose that most of the getting comfortable with each other happend off screen during Ben's recovery; then again its not like its soo completely alien, after all it did take a read and a half to figure out what didnt feel quite right. Then again, its not quite as much of a stretch as why the heck they would put the suit back together without Ben in it instead of just packing it away in the suitcase THEN. I mean, I could see having it assembled if it was in the Foundry or the Armory, but in the KS workshop?

> "'Mr. Clanky'," he said at length.
> Stark blinked and eyed him back. "... Yes?"
> Zoner smirked slightly. "That's a Nene name," he declared.
> "Well... okay, and? I mean, this old thing saved my life.
>Twice!"

Seems like more than twice... it was at least twice during the last couple of chapters, and that doesnt include the original escape during 3rd Nam.

> "I traded it for a guitar."
> Stark blinked. Seeing his disbelief, Priss shrugged. "I was
> young and stupid," she said. "In my defense, it was a Mark Knopfler
> Signature Strat."

I dunno, it seems like a fair enough trade to me. And one could argue that in the longer run the Strat would be more usefull, even without it's history.

> If his first important question is what I think it is, she
> thought to herself, I'm going to slap him, I don't care how rich he is.
> But what he asked was, "Can you weld?"

*various giggle/choking sound effects here*
Oh gods... you have gotten SO much milage out of that line, you know that????

> She snorted. "At this point, I don't think I -could,-" she
> admitted. "Even if I hadn't been blacklisted by GENOM, I'd go mad from
> boredom." She put a hand on her hip and gave him a stern look. "You've
> ruined me for honest work in two days, Mr. Stark," she said in a clipped
> tone of mock disapproval. "Quite an accomplishment."

but oh so typical of all the various DC Gryphons. Besides, most OL's only take the job to support themselves until they land their MRS licences anyway.

> a classic
> cardigan-wearing 1950s cartoon secretary in perfect miniature.

I thought Tony went for the Hot Librarian? Ah well, with the right secondary attributes she could be either. And poor Phil so overloaded with images just screaming to be let out. Makes one wish there was a way to download them straight to paper!

> "It looks like a -racing car.-"

Depends on the type of racing, Irene... Unless its a road rally car most racers are actually more streamlined.

> For half a second, the lights dimmed slightly.
>
> Everywhere on Honshu.

HEH. Shades of Real Genius. "But, did we get a charge?"

> "Well, for starters we'll need to borrow a blonde again."

Nani? err... Nene? (snark) Ahem, for someone who a couple of chapters ago didnt seem THAT interested in cars, he's sure starting to channel Tony more and more!

> Priss was the first to speak, deadpanning:
> "Oh look, a Mark V."

Mark, not Mach? oh wait, its red, not white. And thats probobly as much milage as I can GET out of that joke. Though for some reason I thought it was Linna who was the motorhead, not Priss, though I could well be confusing her with someone else's (probobly Bob Schroek) take on her.

> Stark grinned. "Good eye," he said, and then, in an
> appreciative sort of voice, "You continue to surprise me, Miss Asagiri.
> Well done!"
> Priss rolled her eyes. "So you bought an old Tesla roadster.
> Big deal. Call a -press conference,- why don't you."

Ah, a TESLA roadster. Which would imply that its an Electric...

> "That," Stark replied with an inventor's pride, "is the power
> source I promised your sister. Here it is, a working prototype - and
> ahead of schedule, I might add.

AKA the ARC Reactor... the one piece of plotonium the movie did much better on.

> "It means," Priss retranslated, "that once
> he's perfected the arc gizmo and Sylia's retooled our hardsuits to take
> advantage of it, we'll be able to kick five times as much boomer ass."
> "Pretty much forever," Nene threw in.

Nothing lasts FOREVER Nene... but yeah, hardsuits powered by an ARC Reactor will back you long as you care to fight.

> What have you
> wanted most of all since you were old enough to know it existed?"
> Nene blinked and reddened across the bridge of her nose.
> "Ummmm," she said dubiously.

Ice cream? No, wait, thats definatly from Bob Shroeck's version of Nene.

> "No, no," Stark replied, rubbing his face. "Gravity took care
> of that."

Of course it did. It wouldnt want you taking it for granted, Ben!

> "Sure you're okay to ride?" Stark asked.
> Priss shrugged. "You'd know better than me," she said with a
> slight smirk.

Ranger OS Pagefault
(a)bort (r)etry (S)hatter

> The full
> Bob Morton."
> Irene looked faintly confused. "Bob who?"

Hmm. Yet another clue that TIA Ben might be something more than he appears, beyond just 'sprining into existance' back in... oh whatever year it was he got transposed from RL via UF to TIA, but thats something only us meta readers know, or suspect.

> But sometimes in this game you
> have to be patient."
> "Game!" she cried, turning suddenly angry eyes up to his. "The
> man I love is dead and you call it a game?"

It is a game, as in each sides have moves and countermoves available to them, and rules by which each side must obey (Genom's is THOU SHALT NOT GET CAUGHT) In addition, if your going to survive it, you need to start thinking like 'The Worlds Most Dangerous Game', though not neccecarily as over the top as UF Geoff, though we can blame that on Big Fire.

> The completed suit was going to look -hot-... though, as he
> looked over the render on the screen once more, he couldn't shake the
> feeling that it was -missing- something.

Like, oh, a red and gold paint job?

> "Joking. Joking!" Stark said, putting up his hands. "Jeez.
> Give a girl a neuroprocessor and she assumes that you think you own
> her... "

Ah. And here the gun on the table gets fired. (The one about what Nene'd wanted since she'd heard about them, silly)

> Ben had been initially uneasy about the idea of Nene...
> -communing- with Tony's electronic ghost the way he was in the habit of
> doing - running the ROM construct direct on her own neuroprocessor,
> brain to digital neurostructure copy. He always found the experience
> deeply unsettling, and hugely melancholy, to boot.

Ah but thats more because of how close TIA Ben was to Tony, IMO, with probobly more than a bit of survivors guilt as iceing on the cake, as he realizes in another couple of sentances.

> That's fucking cheating, she thought indignantly as the plasma
> beam slashed the right front corner clean off the Evo and all control
> slipped from under her hands. Then there was a momentary impression of
> a highway overpass abutment looming out of the darkness at very high
> speed, and then... nothing.
> Nothing at all.

Ohh..... *Bleep* You know, on my initial read through, I not only agreed with Irene about the cheating part, especially so close to home. Then I thought about the next line, and said to my self... "No, he wouldnt have. She's all right she's gotta be... G wouldnt do that to us." Then I re read the last line quoted here and said "Would he?"

> One of the ones he came up with, aside
> from hanging around the Stingray Building looking for new ways to chat
> up Sylia, was hanging around the Stingray Building with Mackie, fooling
> around with new ways of using Knight Sabers weapons technology and
> fishing for hints about chatting up Sylia.

Zoner's got a crush on the Ice Queen!!! How sweet, and does help cover the integration issue I raised a bit back. And the vengance said collaboration has wroght on the Boomer is most excellent and righeous!

> The Lancer had very advanced crew safety equipment, and Stark
> momentarily dared entertain the hope that Irene had survived the crash.
> People survived, even walked away from, the most dreadful-looking car
> wrecks these days... but one look inside the driver's window dispelled
> that hope immediately.

And here my hopes were shattered just as completely as Irene and the Evo. She wasn't Earl, did she really have to die? Couldn't you have found some other way to propel TIA Ben forward? And how the hell have you managed to make me feel so strongly about a seemingly minor charecter so quickly???

> "Just let him go, Leon. You can talk to him later." Shaking
> his head with a resigned little smile, the younger detective added,
> "You'd think you, of all people, would recognize a man with too much
> anger in him to think straight."

Kettle, thou art Black, eh Daley? Certainly not something that comes up regularly though, as Leon does seem to be able to think straight when the situation demands it.

> "This can never happen again. Reopen search 82K2K and proceed
> with acquisition soonest."

Oooo.... Ok, but one has to wonder just how whatever the object of this search would help stop this from happening again. However, at the moment the gun isnt ON the table yet, though he's gonna be buying it PDQ...

> Without a word, he walked
> to the center of the open area just behind the master console, stopped
> inside a small yellow circle painted on the floor, held his hands
> slightly away from his sides, and said simply,
> "Begin sequence."

And what follows is a very very well done text descriptor of what I am visualising as the same scene from Iron man, right?

> Stark nodded. He'd made the decision to leave that system
> inactive on purpose, reasoning that getting something as unaerodynamic
> as Iron Man to fly would be too complex a task to expect Nene to
> accomplish in simulation before they actually started testing the
> physical hardware. It was going to be the first thing on their testing
> agenda.
> So much for that plan.

Indeed, which is a shame as that sequence was one of the funniest bits in the movie. Ah well.

> Stark listened to Nene's voice for a few moments with a sort of
> detached bemusement, then regained full consciousness, got to his feet,
> and climbed out of the crater, brushing bits of asphalt and gravel from
> his slightly scuffed but fully intact armor.

Hey, your doing a lot better than Downey did... I seem to recall it taking him most of the movie to perfect his landings!

> Iron Man chose none of them. He was in no particular mood for
> subtlety at the moment, and it was both simplest and most efficient to
> just smash the door down. That method also had the virtues of being
> quite noisy and physically satisfying.

IRON MAN SMASH!!!!!! Sorry, I'd just gotten done watching the Hulk when I decided to check in on the message boards on my way to bed... six hours ago now.

> "In Danskins. I feel like I'm being
> stalked by feral aerobics instructors."
> "Linna must feel insulted," Nene replied.

Its bad enough when you consider the alleged primary descriptor/Public opinon of the 33c... but it IS typical of the psyche involved that if they're gonna do it, the outfit will be as sexy as possible.

> Under the false flesh his repulsor blast had stripped
> from its superstructure, it had a metallic structure, like a smaller
> version of a 55-series military unit

Complete with Metalatits? Or is there too much blood in my cafinee stream?

> Caught wrong-footed and with their power cells largely depleted
> by slugging their way through their own pack of 33-series bodyguard
> boomers to get this far

Eh? Oh, right. MK II is also the testbed for the ARC-R in addition to everything ELSE.

> Of course, Priss's didn't
> have the firepower to bring down an enemy like that on her own, but she
> had the maneuverability to keep it busy for a bit and still stand a
> decent chance of escaping.

Yup, this is NOT a favorable tactical situation, because IIRC Priss is the heavy weapons suit of the four.

> In midflight,
> bootsole and back-of-calf thrusters howling, it belted the boomer full
> in the face with a charged knuckle bomber, blasting away a layer of
> armor plating and sending the monstrous mechanoid reeling for a moment.

The only problem with this lovely, powerfull image is that this strikes me as more of a full flight move, rather than a powered jump through the wall; a problem that doesnt become apparent until a paragraph or so further down when he has to hack into the op system to engage sustained booster use.

> Snarling, Iron Man wrenched himself free of the pipes, lunged
> forward with gauntlets open, and...
> ... nothing happened.

At Ben doesnt get instantly clobbered when this happens, unlike Downey. However, up till this moment the weapons system was working fine; while I will conceed that maybe getting backhanded DID break some physical component in the system, what Nene's describing sounds more like a software failure; something which normally does not happen with percussive maintenance unless it happens directly to the drive DURING an access. And why would a system in active use need to be pageswapped to disk and back? Of all the nit's ive picked so far, this one is the one that almost needs attention given to it, I dont understand how it is that the usuall suspects let this one by them.

> "I don't need control," Stark replied. "Just altitude."

Aka... "Oh? How did you solve the Icing Problem?"
"Icing?"

> The Bu-99C "super boomer" was
> intended purely as a ground combatant.

yeah, but I seem to recall that even ground units had at least jump capabilites.. I wouldnt have counted on its NOT having or being able to use them to cushion its rate of decent. Not that it matters THAT much, as clearly the damage TIA Ben does to its central structures means if it tries it pulls itself apart even before it goes splat with extreme predjudice.

> He hit the bay with a towering splash, startling revelers at a
> beachfront rave in Minato-ku, some of whom had noticed the fireball high
> in the sky but assumed it was part of some unscheduled fireworks
> display.

Shades of one of the cut scenes from the movie...

> It took Zoner, Nene, JARVIS, a detailed schematic, and a couple
> of impact wrenches to pry Ben Stark out of the Iron Man armor

"Let's face it, this is not the worst thing you've caught me doing."

> "Nene, I love you, but I'm really not in the mood to be lectured by a
> teenager tonight. Why don't you head home, get some rest."

Ah, that loaded L word.... one that will keep BOTH of them up at night once it sinks in as they ponder the implications of its use here. Poor Pepper, she not only loses her Tony, but now Ben too. You really need to find her a nice guy to settle down with G.

> "Good afternoon, Nene Arkadievna Romanova," it said in a
> pleasantly modulated man's voice. "I am the Knight Industries Two
> Thousand. KITT, if you prefer."

And the final payoff.... lessee, who all voted KITT again? I know my vote was for RocketAttack USA, just cause it seemed too outre to be true...

AND, if you think about it, G slipped one by at least some of us. Think about it... I bet the actual notation was Search 82:K2K as in search number 82, ID tag k2k (Knight 2 K)

One final thought... One of the things that strikes me are the number of scenes that feel eyirely similar to ones from the movie... Done deliberatly, or just because the movie did such a great job in places?


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17. "RE: TIA #3"
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   >> "Of course, you realize, this means war."
>
>More of a line I'd expect to see Dough Sangoir, Bob Shroeck's
>protagonist use, but it still works.

It's a quote from a number of old Warner Brothers cartoons. Sort of a cultural universal.

>though at this point my perceptions of Tony Stark are
>rather heavily measured against Downey's portray of him from this
>year.

One thing to keep in mind is that TIA's Tony Stark was younger than the movie version when he met his untimely fate. The movie version is supposed to be in his late thirties, I think (which is in turn a bit younger than Mr. Downey actually is, but hey, that's the movies), while the TIA version was 28 when he died.

>> Where the Camaro's "tunnel note" had been a doppler-layered
>> chorus of reflected high-tuned turbine shriek, the new car made
>> practically no sound at all. It produced only a low, faintly eerie
>> whistle and an almost subliminal hum, similar to the sound given off by
>> high-tension power lines, both sounds all but swallowed up by the roar
>> of the vehicle's slipstream.
>
>Kind of lost here. Are you trying to imply that the new Rolls is
>another all electric, or just that its well muffled?

It's turboelectric (like Kaneda's bike in Akira), and very, very quiet. It's a Rolls-Royce; running very, very quietly is something of a brand attribute.

>> That'd be like letting Russians build the new U.S. embassy in
>> Moscow. Which happened."
>
>Indeed. Were they ever able to 'clean' the building?

No; they had to tear it down and build another, importing all the materials and workers from the United States at vast expense.

>Did Tony have
>Heinlein's Friday in mind, or just a generic girl friday when he wrote
>her?

I don't know, actually; Friday appeared in the actual Iron Man comics back in the '90s, but I don't know what, if anything, the writer attributed Tony's inspiration to (or, for that matter, what the writer's own inspiration was).

>Hang on... This was tickling in the back of my brain, but didnt
>really formulate till this point through on the re read. Now, I'm
>willing to suppose that my brain has forgotten a large chunk of the
>chapter 2 (something which I will be fixing later on today...) but I
>thought that their alliance was stil tenative at best?

Well, we see elsewhere in that scene that it's solid enough for Stark to have suggested a new actuator configuration before he left for his Genaros trip; I wouldn't think it'd be too much of a leap to go from there to Sylia lending him (through Nene, who was doing most of the on-site work) some lab space until he had time to build his own.

Their alliance is not so much tentative as not yet fully defined. That Ben Stark's little self-directed division of Stark Industries and the Knight Sabers organization exist within each other's security perimeter, as it were, isn't in doubt; what they haven't entirely worked out yet is mainly to do with the full boundaries of their technology exchange.

>Then again, its not quite as much of a
>stretch as why the heck they would put the suit back together without
>Ben in it instead of just packing it away in the suitcase THEN. I
>mean, I could see having it assembled if it was in the Foundry or the
>Armory, but in the KS workshop?

Nene put it back together while Stark was in the hospital, in the course of studying it. I suppose she could've taken it home and done it on her kitchen table, but it seemed more efficient and secure to take it back to Sabers HQ instead.

>> "Well... okay, and? I mean, this old thing saved my life.
>>Twice!"
>
>Seems like more than twice... it was at least twice during the last
>couple of chapters, and that doesnt include the original escape during
>3rd Nam.

He's probably counting by overall incidents (once for 'Nam, once for recent events) rather than individual points.

>> a classic
>> cardigan-wearing 1950s cartoon secretary in perfect miniature.
>
>I thought Tony went for the Hot Librarian? Ah well, with the right
>secondary attributes she could be either.

Yes, Friday changes her "costume" now and then - at random, if you believe the hardcore computer scientists who dismiss the possibility of self-will in sufficiently advanced AI, or on a whim, if you think there's more to it.

>> The full
>> Bob Morton."
>> Irene looked faintly confused. "Bob who?"
>
>Hmm. Yet another clue that TIA Ben might be something more than he
>appears, beyond just 'sprining into existance' back in... oh whatever
>year it was he got transposed from RL via UF to TIA, but thats
>something only us meta readers know, or suspect.

Well, maybe. Or it might simply mean that he's seen Robocop and Irene hasn't. :)

>> The Lancer had very advanced crew safety equipment, and Stark
>> momentarily dared entertain the hope that Irene had survived the crash.
>> People survived, even walked away from, the most dreadful-looking car
>> wrecks these days... but one look inside the driver's window dispelled
>> that hope immediately.
>
>And here my hopes were shattered just as completely as Irene and the
>Evo. She wasn't Earl, did she really have to die? Couldn't you have
>found some other way to propel TIA Ben forward?

Honestly? Probably yes, but it quickly became apparent as this part of the story unfolded that any alternative would be inferior - not just here, but further down the arc.

>And how the hell have
>you managed to make me feel so strongly about a seemingly minor
>charecter so quickly???

That's probably at least partly a reflection of the fact that I liked her too. Just because I know I have to kill a character off in order to make things work properly doesn't mean I always want to.

>> "Begin sequence."
>
>And what follows is a very very well done text descriptor of what I am
>visualising as the same scene from Iron man, right?

More or less, though the actual construction of the suit (as you can see from the illustration posted a few days ago) is quite different.

>Its bad enough when you consider the alleged primary descriptor/Public
>opinon of the 33c...

Actually, it's the 33S that's built primarily for concubinage. The C model lacks most of those capabilities in favor of its security and assassination functions.

>> Under the false flesh his repulsor blast had stripped
>> from its superstructure, it had a metallic structure, like a smaller
>> version of a 55-series military unit
>
>Complete with Metalatits?

Uh... no. Not so much. That's all part of the cosmetic system, not the endostructure.

>> In midflight,
>> bootsole and back-of-calf thrusters howling, it belted the boomer full
>> in the face with a charged knuckle bomber, blasting away a layer of
>> armor plating and sending the monstrous mechanoid reeling for a moment.
>
>The only problem with this lovely, powerfull image is that this
>strikes me as more of a full flight move, rather than a powered jump
>through the wall; a problem that doesnt become apparent until a
>paragraph or so further down when he has to hack into the op system to
>engage sustained booster use.

Not a jump so much as a charge, really - using the thruster array (as boomers can, come to that) to increase speed over the ground. (Iron Man can also do this in the video game based on the movie, complete with the punch at the end.)


>However, up till this moment the weapons system was working
>fine; while I will conceed that maybe getting backhanded DID break
>some physical component in the system, what Nene's describing sounds
>more like a software failure; something which normally does not happen
>with percussive maintenance unless it happens directly to the drive
>DURING an access. And why would a system in active use need to be
>pageswapped to disk and back? Of all the nit's ive picked so far,
>this one is the one that almost needs attention given to it, I dont
>understand how it is that the usuall suspects let this one by them.

You're assuming that the impact immediately preceding the weapons failure had a causal relationship to the weapons failure. This is not the case; it was simply an ill-timed crash of the weapons control subsystem, possibly related to the fact that Iron Man's onboard computer was just plain very busy at that point - a 1201 alarm, if you will. The armor's operating system is, as previously noted, a hugely complex and almost entirely untested collection of software. Debugging it is going to take a lot of work.

>> The Bu-99C "super boomer" was
>> intended purely as a ground combatant.
>
>yeah, but I seem to recall that even ground units had at least jump
>capabilites..

Sure, but that doesn't mean they're engineered to withstand the temperature and pressure conditions at the edge of the stratosphere, which is what's under discussion just there.

>> "Nene, I love you, but I'm really not in the mood to be lectured by a
>> teenager tonight. Why don't you head home, get some rest."
>
>Ah, that loaded L word.... one that will keep BOTH of them up at
>night once it sinks in as they ponder the implications of its use
>here.

Oh, I don't know. I doubt it's going to keep Mr. Stark awake. He's not a careless user of language.

>Poor Pepper, she not only loses her Tony, but now Ben too. You
>really need to find her a nice guy to settle down with G.

I suspect she'd be insulted twice here - once by your assumption that she's out of the picture, and once by your assumption that she has some pressing need to be in the picture. Either way, it's not a wise man who writes off Virginia Potts too soon.

>AND, if you think about it, G slipped one by at least some of us.
>Think about it... I bet the actual notation was Search 82:K2K as in
>search number 82, ID tag k2k (Knight 2 K)

Close; it stands for "1982 Knight 2000". Granted, there only was one model year of Knight 2000, but still, that's the notation. (Similarly, the running search for a 1969 Camaro is flagged "search 69C28".)

>One final thought... One of the things that strikes me are the number
>of scenes that feel eyirely similar to ones from the movie... Done
>deliberatly, or just because the movie did such a great job in places?

Bit of both, I expect. Some parts of this story were written before Iron Man came out, some were adjusted to tip the hat to the film after the fact, and a few (such as the flight to the tropopause) are direct references. It was a hell of a movie, either way.

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21. "RE: TIA #3"
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   >>> "Of course, you realize, this means war."
>>
>>More of a line I'd expect to see Dough Sangoir, Bob Shroeck's
>>protagonist use, but it still works.
>
>It's a quote from a number of old Warner Brothers cartoons. Sort of a
>cultural universal.
>
Indeed, but its still a quip I'd associate more with Mr. Sangnoir, who is a much more flippant person and one who actively goes for cartoon quips and quotes as part of his characterization.

>>Then again, its not quite as much of a
>>stretch as why the heck they would put the suit back together without
>>Ben in it instead of just packing it away in the suitcase THEN. I
>>mean, I could see having it assembled if it was in the Foundry or the
>>Armory, but in the KS workshop?
>
>Nene put it back together while Stark was in the hospital, in the
>course of studying it. I suppose she could've taken it home and done
>it on her kitchen table, but it seemed more efficient and secure to
>take it back to Sabers HQ instead.
>
A point I must conceed looking at it later... not the why the KS lab, that part DID make sense, the putting it together to see how it works.

>>> The full
>>> Bob Morton."
>>> Irene looked faintly confused. "Bob who?"
>>
>>Hmm. Yet another clue that TIA Ben might be something more than he
>>appears, beyond just 'sprining into existance' back in... oh whatever
>>year it was he got transposed from RL via UF to TIA, but thats
>>something only us meta readers know, or suspect.
>
>Well, maybe. Or it might simply mean that he's seen Robocop
>and Irene hasn't. :)
>
Yup, though my contention is the reason he REMEMBERS Robocop so clearly is that there is less 'personal elapsed time' between its original release date and 'today'.

>>Its bad enough when you consider the alleged primary descriptor/Public
>>opinon of the 33c...
>
>Actually, it's the 33S that's built primarily for concubinage.
>The C model lacks most of those capabilities in favor of its security
>and assassination functions.
>
>>> Under the false flesh his repulsor blast had stripped
>>> from its superstructure, it had a metallic structure, like a smaller
>>> version of a 55-series military unit
>>
>>Complete with Metalatits?
>
>Uh... no. Not so much. That's all part of the cosmetic system, not
>the endostructure.
>
Right. Definatly a case of too much blood in my caffeine stream then.

>Not a jump so much as a charge, really - using the thruster
>array (as boomers can, come to that) to increase speed over the
>ground. (Iron Man can also do this in the video game based on the
>movie, complete with the punch at the end.)
>
I think I'm suffering from the assumption that to get a proper booster charge, one needs a correctly operational flight system; an assumption that presumes facts not in evidence now that I've had a nap. Or, in no prize teritory; that it was handled by the modified Jump routines Nene gave him from the KS program library.


> Debugging it is going to take a lot of work.
>
indeed... and probobly will cause more than a few moments of comedic gold to be mined along the way.

>>> "Nene, I love you, but I'm really not in the mood to be lectured by a
>>> teenager tonight. Why don't you head home, get some rest."
>>
>>Ah, that loaded L word.... one that will keep BOTH of them up at
>>night once it sinks in as they ponder the implications of its use
>>here.
>
>Oh, I don't know. I doubt it's going to keep Mr. Stark awake. He's
>not a careless user of language.
>
Depends on just WHAT implications of this are keeping him awake at night... In this case just assume I didnt mean sitting brooding/pondering.

>>Poor Pepper, she not only loses her Tony, but now Ben too. You
>>really need to find her a nice guy to settle down with G.
>
>I suspect she'd be insulted twice here - once by your assumption that
>she's out of the picture, and once by your assumption that she has
>some pressing need to be in the picture. Either way, it's not
>a wise man who writes off Virginia Potts too soon.
>
Another point I must conceed in all respects and blame on overly free association due to fatiuge toxins overwhelming common sense.


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22. "RE: TIA #3"
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   >>>> "Of course, you realize, this means war."
>>>
>>>More of a line I'd expect to see Dough Sangoir, Bob Shroeck's
>>>protagonist use, but it still works.
>>
>>It's a quote from a number of old Warner Brothers cartoons. Sort of a
>>cultural universal.
>>
>Indeed, but its still a quip I'd associate more with Mr. Sangnoir, who
>is a much more flippant person and one who actively goes for cartoon
>quips and quotes as part of his characterization.

I'm 78.2% positive it started memetic life as a Groucho Marx line.

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24. "RE: TIA #3"
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   >I'm 78.2% positive it started memetic life as a Groucho Marx line.

Wouldn't surprise me. Most of Bugs Bunny's schtick did.

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27. "RE: TIA #3"
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   >>I'm 78.2% positive it started memetic life as a Groucho Marx line.
>Wouldn't surprise me. Most of Bugs Bunny's schtick did.

It did indeed. Horesefeathers, if I'm not mistaken. But I'd have to look it up to be sure, and right now I'm lazy and about to go to bed...

Which means I should get in my own cries of "awesome, fun, great read" right now before I fall over and get keyboard face. Fine chapter, Gryphon, and I can't wait to read it to my wife.

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48. "RE: TIA #3"
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   >
>> "Nene, I love you, but I'm really not in the mood to be lectured by a
>> teenager tonight. Why don't you head home, get some rest."
>
>Ah, that loaded L word.... one that will keep BOTH of them up at
>night once it sinks in as they ponder the implications of its use
>here.
>

Thinking about it, I suspect that Ben will be sleeping just fine. Nene is the one who's going to be trying to figure out if that meant eros, philos, or agape.

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15. "RE: TIA #3"
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   Yep, that was a great ride.

Sadly, everything relevant I can think of has already been said.

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18. "RE: TIA #3"
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   >Yep, that was a great ride.
>
>Sadly, everything relevant I can think of has already been said.
>
>Peter Eng
>--
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I concur; all of my favorite lines have already been quoted. Wonderful read (and long, too!), brought back memories of when I discovered the original back in 1994 or so... man. Good stuff. Made my night.


Kudos to Gryph and the crew.
-T.Z.

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50. "RE: TIA #3"
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   Likewise, the only thing I would have something to say about that hasn't been said is that I half expected that the official name for thew Mk 1 would play off the British accent with the 'backwards' British way of naming these things and be something like:

Suit, Battle, Personal, Iron Man, Mk 1.

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51. "RE: TIA #3"
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   >Likewise, the only thing I would have something to say about that
>hasn't been said is that I half expected that the official name for
>thew Mk 1 would play off the British accent with the 'backwards'
>British way of naming these things and be something like:
>
>Suit, Battle, Personal, Iron Man, Mk 1.

I was aiming for more of a "documentary narrator" effect ("Short Magazine Lee-Enfield Rifle, Mark III" rather than "Rifle, Short, Magazine, Lee-Enfield Mark III"), but technically you are correct.

In Stark Industries internal documentation, the Mark I has no official designation, since it wasn't something Tony made on company time, as it were. Exactly how the Mark II's being documented... well, we'll get to that.

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52. "RE: TIA #3"
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   >In Stark Industries internal documentation, the Mark I has no official
>designation, since it wasn't something Tony made on company time, as
>it were. Exactly how the Mark II's being documented... well, we'll
>get to that.
>
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25. "RE: TIA #3"
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   LAST EDITED ON Oct-22-08 AT 07:38 PM (EDT)
 
This is what I get for not having any net access worth talking about at work.

Still, reading through this has given me the best 2 hours I've had this week, so I thank you profusely, oh great author.

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26. "RE: TIA #3"
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   You know, it occurs to me that the 'old friend from HL' that Gryphon mentioned a while back covers not only KITT, but Pepsiman as well. 8)

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   I think that the person mentioned is the OTHER character in Irene's story arc. Especially in light of some of the other comments in this thread.

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45. "RE: TIA #3"
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   >You know, it occurs to me that the 'old friend from HL' that Gryphon
>mentioned a while back covers not only KITT, but Pepsiman as well. 8)

Pepsiman is not, to my memory, ever mentioned in HL.

There is a BGPD about him, and he's mentioned in UF, but not HL.

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   Well done as always, and well timed. I needed something to keep me awake at work tonight.

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30. "RE: TIA #3"
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   Much fun and a good read. I too was hoping that this time Irene would make it, as that's such a you/EPU thing to do, but I realized that allowing her to survive would have taken something away from the rest of the story. It's too bad - I was really liking her (and that interview scene was priceless!), but sometimes things work out that way. I'm sure you could have saved her, but then Ben's fury (and reckessness) in using the new Iron Man suit wouldn't have had quite the same ring to them.

Looking forward to #4 when it hits the shelves!

Offsides

P.S. It appears that the RSS feed for What's New didn't update, but I don't know if that's a manual or automatic process from the What's New page.

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31. "RE: TIA #3"
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   >P.S. It appears that the RSS feed for What's New didn't update, but I
>don't know if that's a manual or automatic process from the What's New
>page.

It's manual, I did it, and I'm lookin' at it right now... (shrug)

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35. "RE: TIA #3"
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   Huh - go fig.

Oh well, must be a problem on my end. <Emily Litella>Nevermind</Emily Litella>.

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32. "RE: TIA #3"
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   I got the update. Maybe it's your reader.

- Chad

(p.s., awesome story, etc. Not much to add after all the other comments.)

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   Good call. If KITT still has his Phlebotinum Armor, it's gonna take a lot more than a Boomer to off Nene from now on.

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34. "RE: TIA #3"
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   >Good call. If KITT still has his Phlebotinum Armor, it's gonna take a
>lot more than a Boomer to off Nene from now on.

Yes, indeed, we'll be seeing more about the Knight Industries Molecular-Bonded Shell System in the future.

Another advantage: KITT's semi-Asimovian programming does not extend to boomers.

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   I've was watching the new Knight Rider series before reading this so I was half expecting KITT to show up in some new transmogrified form.

There are some nifty things in the new KR series, that look just plain cool. However if you do watch the series, suspend disbelief at most of the plot points or it just ruins the fun.


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   >I've was watching the new Knight Rider series before reading this so I
>was half expecting KITT to show up in some new transmogrified form.

Technically, that would have been search 08K3K, but Mr. Stark is a man with a deep appreciation for the classics, and besides, the Knight 3000's core AI programming was... well, it never struck him as entirely trustworthy, because the people who made it ditto.

>There are some nifty things in the new KR series, that look just plain
>cool. However if you do watch the series, suspend disbelief at most of
>the plot points or it just ruins the fun.

Zoner and I have slightly differing opinions about precisely what the main reason is that the new Knight Rider sucks. He says it's the transforming-car schtick, which they did more believably 10 years ago on Viper. (I have to concede that it being able to turn into a pickup truck is a bit much.) I say it's the fact that the writers kowtow to the pervasive "wisdom" that all modern sci-fi/action TV shows have to have Blatantly Sinister Goverment Bullshit going on in the background.

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   For the record, I like VIPER. I wanted a Dodge Viper so bad for the longest time since then. :D

But since we're on the topic... Team Knight Rider. Not sure what went wrong with it--the premise was okay, but... eh, I think it was the talking motorcycles and the equally talking Boeing 747 that did it in. There's oh so many things you can do KITT to before you start resorting to other vehicles...

(And let's not forget the flop that was Knight Rider 2000... )

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41. "RE: TIA #3"
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   Frankly, I eventually decided that the premise just didn't support a remake. The whole core of the original was the advanced AI/talking car concept-- everything else was just details. These days, the idea of a car with those capabilities just isn't as radical, so they had to introduce all of the other nonsense.

Also, VIPER was a great show.


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43. "RE: TIA #3"
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   >Frankly, I eventually decided that the premise just didn't support a
>remake. The whole core of the original was the advanced AI/talking
>car concept-- everything else was just details. These days, the idea
>of a car with those capabilities just isn't as radical, so they had to
>introduce all of the other nonsense.
>
>Also, VIPER was a great show.

I dunno about great... I just watched it for the vehi-magic.

And I think thats really the problem with 3k... to much vehi magic and not enough real storytelling. Or.. No, its this lobotomized Kitt. its the same people who built the original, right? So why is this KITT acting so... mechanical? The original was SO much more human, and the state of the rat in plotonium has clearly increased as well, so why make KITT so... cold?


Of COURSE you wernt expecting it!
No One expects the FANNISH INQUISITION!
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44. "RE: TIA #3"
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   >its the same people who built the original, right? So why is
>this KITT acting so... mechanical? The original was SO much more
>human, and the state of the rat in plotonium has clearly increased as
>well, so why make KITT so... cold?

I imagine they plan to build up to an episode in which the Knight 3000 learns the True Meaning of Christmas. Or, more likely, has to decide between his programming to Obey the Shadowy Secret Masters and his friendship with Mike. And by "I imagine" I mean "I can see this coming down Broadway like a cab with its doors open."

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49. "RE: TIA #3"
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   >
>Zoner and I have slightly differing opinions about precisely what the
>main reason is that the new Knight Rider sucks.
>
>--G.

I think that, between the two of you, the major sources of suck on that show have been identified. Personally, I think it's a tie between "transforming car" and "Ebil plottings," but I only watched one episode. I didn't feel like trying harder to like the show.

Peter Eng
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39. "RE: TIA #3"
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   >Another advantage: KITT's semi-Asimovian programming does not extend
>to boomers.
>
>--G.
>["If they're working under the table, they're mercenaries. I can
>kill mercenaries."]

Beware the nice ones when they stop being nice...

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46. "RE: TIA #3"
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   >["If they're working under the table, they're mercenaries. I can
>kill mercenaries."]

This has been bugging me since I saw it...what the HELL is that from?

...and why do I get the feeling that I've said it?

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47. "RE: TIA #3"
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   >>["If they're working under the table, they're mercenaries. I can
>>kill mercenaries."]
>
>This has been bugging me since I saw it...what the HELL is that from?

It's one of the conversational options for Commander Shepard at a particular juncture in Mass Effect, when she's informed that, in order to complete a job, she may have to get into a firefight with some off-duty cops who've been bribed to ransack an office.

--G.
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40. "RE: TIA #3"
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   >Stark, who didn't particularly like tomatoes except as a base for sauce
Gryph, I've admired you for a long time, but this just proves to me that your a man after my own heart

>"Iron Man main system...
-program drive!-"
"FINAL FU...!!" Err...

But like always, all the good things must come to an end, and again, I'm left wanting, well, more
Ah well, guess I'll rewatch Bubblegum Crisis and Ironman again to keep me from wanting to much


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42. "RE: TIA #3"
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   >It's hee-ere! *scampers off to read*

Rockin'. Now I want a hardsuit, again.

A couple of comments:

Nice job with the musical interludes; they caught me off guard and then I realized it made complete sense to use an Iron Man HUD.

I would also like to say that unlike UF, TIA has a higher on-screen, supporting cast death count. This is not to denigrate either, but to note that someone in the backroom is doing a nice job of making it a grittier universe without making it a more depressing universe. That would be 3 great universes now for Eyrie: UF, NXE, and now TIA.

TIA is also more, um, theatrical? Movie-like? We're not getting a lot of facial expression work (see SOS) or philosophical rants (NXE) but lot of stuff that makes great visual gags. Which is interesting. Was that deliberate or am I seeing something that isn't there?

cheers,
t.

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53. "RE: TIA #3"
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   LAST EDITED ON Dec-21-11 AT 02:30 PM (EST)
 
So cool. So very cool. Man-oh-man, why can't the "real" Iron Man be this awesome?


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54. "RE: TIA #3"
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   >So cool. So very cool. Man-oh-man, why can't the "real" Iron Man be
>this awesome?

Because Marvel's 616 continuity has fallen prey to those who want to add wholesale drama to the hero vs. villain formula which served them so well for so many years. I don't mind drama, I like it. Drama has made for some turning points in various characters. But world-shaking events that turn everything to crap? Every year? I've got newspapers for that, thank you very much.

Sorry, I can't find the "off" switch for my rant mode.
--rR


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55. "RE: TIA #3"
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   >why can't the "real" Iron Man be this awesome?

I think ReRob has it just about surrounded. Also, for all that I loved his work on Five Fists of Science, I don't think Matt Fraction really gets Iron Man. The effect is no doubt exacerbated by the fact that he inherited all that "Tony Stark, Jackbooted Duce of S.H.I.E.L.D." malarkey from his predecessors, but even discounting that (because it's obvious he's trying hard to work around it, and I give him credit for that), the characterization in "The Five Nightmares" has been pretty... well, nightmarish. The whole idea of Tony as a man afraid of the future of technology is just dire, and I'm not sure who the redheaded woman is; she's certainly not Pepper Potts.

But I might be biased.

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56. "RE: TIA #3"
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   LAST EDITED ON Dec-21-11 AT 02:30 PM (EST)
 
Apropos of nothing...I downloaded "Out of the Sunrise" (legally, Amazon) on a whim after finishing TIA3, and I have to say, this may be the best song from any of your stories. It's like a rock-cover-anthem-remix of every good Transformers song ever made, capturing the feel of the cartoon and movie themes, if not the exact tune. Thank you for including that song!


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