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"World of Tanks premium watch"
 
   LAST EDITED ON Oct-20-15 AT 02:37 PM (EDT)
 
[Changing the title of this thread because I'm putting premium tank notices that aren't to do with the Ancient Weapons event in it now.]

So Wargaming is having this event in World of Tanks this month where every week they're offering a premium tank that isn't usually for sale. Last week's was a never-before-seen Chinese tank, the 59-Patton, which is a hybrid of two other tanks (the Type 59, itself a discontinued Chinese premium, and the American M46 Patton). This week's is the Soviet KV-5, which has been offered before. They won't reveal what next week's is until the KV-5 goes off sale again, and so on through week 4.

I mention this not because I'm terribly interested in the event itself (it's tied in loosely with a bunch of gameplay changes and new modes that I'm not elite enough to get any particular use out of), or in the tanks that have since been offered (though I might pick up a KV-5), but rather because the KV-5's inclusion sets a precedent. It's a tank that used to be for sale in the premium shop and was then retired, and now it's back for a week. Sort of a "Disney Vault" thing.

The Disney Vault strategy kind of pisses me off, to be honest (particularly in its eponymous form), but that gives me a flicker of hope that maybe next week's Ancient Weapon or the one after it will be the TOG. 'Cause dang, even though its own biggest fans are on record that it's not a very good tank, I want me one'a them. :)

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  RE: World of Tanks Ancient Weapons Berrik Sep-09-15 1
     RE: World of Tanks Ancient Weapons Gryphonadmin Sep-09-15 2
         RE: World of Tanks Ancient Weapons Verbena Sep-10-15 3
         RE: World of Tanks Ancient Weapons MoonEyes Sep-10-15 4
  RE: World of Tanks Ancient Weapons Gryphonadmin Sep-17-15 5
     RE: World of Tanks Ancient Weapons MoonEyes Sep-17-15 6
         RE: World of Tanks Ancient Weapons Gryphonadmin Sep-17-15 7
  RE: World of Tanks Ancient Weapons Gryphonadmin Sep-23-15 8
  RE: World of Tanks Ancient Weapons Gryphonadmin Sep-28-15 9
     RE: World of Tanks Ancient Weapons eriktown Oct-02-15 10
         RE: World of Tanks Ancient Weapons StClair Oct-03-15 11
             RE: World of Tanks Ancient Weapons Gryphonadmin Oct-03-15 12
                 RE: World of Tanks Ancient Weapons MoonEyes Oct-05-15 14
  hrmph Gryphonadmin Oct-03-15 13
  RE: World of Tanks premium watch Gryphonadmin Oct-20-15 15
  RE: World of Tanks premium watch cyberpagan Oct-26-15 16
     RE: World of Tanks premium watch Gryphonadmin Oct-26-15 17
         RE: World of Tanks premium watch SpottedKitty Oct-27-15 18
             RE: World of Tanks premium watch rwpikul Oct-27-15 20
                 RE: World of Tanks premium watch Gryphonadmin Oct-27-15 21
         RE: World of Tanks premium watch MoonEyes Oct-27-15 19

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1. "RE: World of Tanks Ancient Weapons"
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   I'm more annoyed that the 59-Patton is a tank that literally didn't exist IRL, even on paper, and was just slapped together by WG's Chinese division to have more premiums to sell to the players there. Selling it here as a "new" tank is extremely lazy, especially since it isn't even that good.


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2. "RE: World of Tanks Ancient Weapons"
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   >I'm more annoyed that the 59-Patton is a tank that literally didn't
>exist IRL, even on paper, and was just slapped together by WG's
>Chinese division to have more premiums to sell to the players there.
>Selling it here as a "new" tank is extremely lazy, especially since it
>isn't even that good.

Knowing World of Tanks players, if it was any good people would be even more annoyed. Anyway, we're all supposed to be recycling now, right?

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3. "RE: World of Tanks Ancient Weapons"
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   >Knowing World of Tanks players, if it was any good
>people would be even more annoyed. Anyway, we're all supposed
>to be recycling now, right?

Reminds me of STO, where they've finally ran out of canon ships to sell some time ago and, in a desperate bid to increase sales, started churning out newly invented ships practically every other week. I'm happy with my command-class cruisers, I'm done buying new ships for quite some time, especially since I got a little sick of it and haven't even played all the new missions yet. (FFXIV may be guilty of taking my attention. Ahem.)

Point is, what do game developers do when all the contemporary tanks are already implemented? Make up some more.

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4. "RE: World of Tanks Ancient Weapons"
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   >Knowing World of Tanks players, if it was any good
>people would be even more annoyed. Anyway, we're all supposed
>to be recycling now, right?

Well, true...but, how do you recycle something that never existed in the first place?

You can't even recycle the blueprints...because there weren't any!

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5. "RE: World of Tanks Ancient Weapons"
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   This week's Ancient Weapon is the Kanonenjagdpanzer, a new German Tier VIII tank destroyer. I don't know anything about how it plays, but Wargaming describes it there as high-mobility, which probably means it has terrible armor (not too strange for a tank destroyer), and with a high-rate-of-fire gun, which probably means it doesn't do much damage per shot (that is kind of odd for a tank destroyer).

Unlike many of the late-WWII and Cold War machines in World of Tanks, it's a real thing!

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6. "RE: World of Tanks Ancient Weapons"
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   >This week's Ancient Weapon is the
>Kanonenjagdpanzer, a new German Tier VIII tank destroyer.
>I don't know anything about how it plays, but Wargaming describes
>it there as high-mobility, which probably means it has terrible armor
>(not too strange for a tank destroyer),
>and with a high-rate-of-fire gun, which probably means it
>doesn't do much damage per shot (that is kind of odd for a tank
>destroyer).

Couldn't say for the damage or rate...but, the thing carried the 90mm gun from the M/47 Patton, noted as 'obsolete' in the link you provided. Though, if that's the tank or the gun....and, of course, Wargaming isn't fact-based.

>Unlike many of the late-WWII and Cold War machines in World of
>Tanks
, it's a real thing!

Indeed. Though, it does sort of amuse me that the 'Ancient Weapon' is a cold-war tank, meaning it's notably younger than the vast majority of the tanks in the game. I know there's supposed to be a 'story' to explain it, but still...


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7. "RE: World of Tanks Ancient Weapons"
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   >Couldn't say for the damage or rate...but, the thing carried the 90mm
>gun from the M/47 Patton, noted as 'obsolete' in the link you
>provided. Though, if that's the tank or the gun....and, of course,
>Wargaming isn't fact-based.

Well, it was obsolete in the 1950s when the real thing was built; in the game it fits into the tier the KJgPz is placed at fairly well.

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The M47 version of the Patton isn't quite in the game (it's "stealthed" into the tech tree as the upgraded turret option for the M46), but the M46 Patton is Tier IX, and the 90mm guns it fits (there are three different ones) are all lower-tier than the tank itself - two of them are Tier VII and one is Tier VIII. (The M46's top-level, own-tier gun is a fictional 105.) The gun the real KJgPz's was based on, the 90mm Gun M36, is the M46's second-best, and the one the real M47 carried. It's Tier VIII, so, as I said, it fits fairly well as the armament for a Tier VIII TD - assuming, of course, that the in-game KJgPz actually has the M36, with the same stats it has on the Patton.

>Indeed. Though, it does sort of amuse me that the 'Ancient Weapon' is
>a cold-war tank, meaning it's notably younger than the vast majority
>of the tanks in the game. I know there's supposed to be a 'story' to
>explain it, but still...

As we have previously discussed, World of Tanks is pretty thin on plot, and it's always at least a little comical when it tries to have some. :)

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8. "RE: World of Tanks Ancient Weapons"
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   While I'm trawling the Wargaming site for news, this week's Ancient Weapon is out (on the North American server, anyway). It's another Soviet heavy tank, the Tier V KV-220, based on an experimental variant of the KV that was actually built but never mass-produced (the Objekt 220 prototype was destroyed in action). From a quick snout around, it appears that this was originally a gift to beta testers on the .ru server, and has only been offered for sale in the various gift shops on rare occasions. In North America, 35 bucks gets you a KV-220, a garage slot to put it in, and 6,000 gold.

(Also, oddly, the Kanonenjagdpanzer is still on sale for another week, even though the next one in the series has come out. I guess because it had never been offered before, they wanted to give people more of a chance to get it? Dunno.)

Just informational, this post is not encouraging anyone to spend or not spend money, etc. etc.

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9. "RE: World of Tanks Ancient Weapons"
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   Just a note: If for some reason you missed the 59-Patton or KV-5 and you wanted one, they're available again for a couple of days - WG is offering all four of the "Ancient Weapons" promo tanks as a way of wrapping up the event.

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10. "RE: World of Tanks Ancient Weapons"
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   Every time I see KV-5 in the context of Ancient Weapons, I think "Huh, I didn't know they found a tank in the tomb of the sons of Ramses II..."


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11. "RE: World of Tanks Ancient Weapons"
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   In several of my Civ games, that combination would not be even slightly unusual.


HERE MEN FROM THE PLANET EARTH FIRST SET FOOT UPON THE MOON, OCTOBER 1492 AD.


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12. "RE: World of Tanks Ancient Weapons"
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   >In several of my Civ games, that combination would not be even
>slightly unusual.
>
>
>HERE MEN FROM THE PLANET EARTH FIRST SET FOOT UPON THE MOON, OCTOBER
>1492 AD.

WE DO HEREBY CLAIM THIS SPHERE AND ALL ITS RICHES IN THE NAME OF THEIR MOST CATHOLIC MAJESTIES FERNANDO Y ISABELLA OF SPAIN.

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14. "RE: World of Tanks Ancient Weapons"
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   Probably hideously incorrect from a grammatical point, but...

NOSOTROS POR ESTE MEDIO RECLAMAR ESTE ESFERA Y TODAS SUS RIQUEZAS EN EL NOMBRE DE SU MAYORÍA CATÓLICA MAJESTADES FERNANDO Y ISABELLA DE ESPAÑA.

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13. "hrmph"
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   Not actually part of the Ancient Weapons event, but tangential to it: Wargaming just put the BT-SV on sale for a few days. This is one of the comically overpowered Tier III tanks that you can normally only get by buying a boxed DVD copy of the game in Russia (the other being the virtually indestructible Panzer IIJ).

I would normally be pleased about this, as I have been intrigued by the Russian-box-set tanks since I heard about them. Unfortunately, as is Wargaming's wont, they weren't content to just offer the rare tank for a few days at a reasonable cost for its tier, and jacked up the price to a ridiculous hundred zops by padding the package with non-optional premium time, gold, and silver. So I'm afraid they won't be selling me one, which is a shame. Still, I post it here in case anyone else is less annoyed by that kind of crap than me.

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15. "RE: World of Tanks premium watch"
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   LAST EDITED ON Oct-20-15 AT 02:41 PM (EDT)
 
On the minus side, the M56 Scorpion limited-time premium is another one of those bundles; on the other, it's not so egregious that they're managing to charge 100 bucks for a Tier III tank, like they did when the put the BT-SV up a while ago. The Scorpion is a Tier VII TD, the package is 50 bucks, decide for yourselves.

No Halloweeny garage redeco yet on that side.

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16. "RE: World of Tanks premium watch"
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>The Disney Vault strategy kind of pisses me off, to be honest
>(particularly in its eponymous form), but that gives me a flicker of
>hope that maybe next week's Ancient Weapon or the one after it will be
>the TOG. 'Cause dang, even though its own biggest fans are on record
>that it's not a very good tank, I want me one'a them. :)
>
>--G.

You're wish is granted sir! The Tog II is in the gift shop! Of course they had to bundle it with the Sexton I, but if you have to have an arty, that's a pretty fun one. You get that, garage slots, 1250 gold and a week of prem time for $30, which is pretty cheap considering what they have charged for other bundles.


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17. "RE: World of Tanks premium watch"
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   >You're wish is granted sir! The Tog II is in the gift shop! Of course
>they had to bundle it with the Sexton I, but if you have to have an
>arty, that's a pretty fun one. You get that, garage slots, 1250 gold
>and a week of prem time for $30, which is pretty cheap considering
>what they have charged for other bundles.

TOG!!!

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18. "RE: World of Tanks premium watch"
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   Interesting; I thought I'd at least heard of all of our WW2-era experimental hardware, but this one's completely new to me. Looks a bit like someone fed a Matilda lots of steroids.

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20. "RE: World of Tanks premium watch"
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   >Interesting; I thought I'd at least heard of all of our WW2-era
>experimental hardware, but this one's completely new to me. Looks a
>bit like someone fed a Matilda lots of steroids.

It was a design by a group of WWI tank designers, (TOG = The Old Gang). Describing it as a oversized Matilda isn't that far wrong, although it is actually a bit slower, (and the Matilda is hardly known for its speed).

What killed the design after the single prototype was built was the simple fact that it was designed to fight in conditions of trench warfare that didn't happen.


(NB: If playing WOT, don't stand and trade blows with a TOG. That's a Challenger turret complete with 17lbr.)

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21. "RE: World of Tanks premium watch"
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   >What killed the design after the single prototype was built was the
>simple fact that it was designed to fight in conditions of trench
>warfare that didn't happen.

As an aside, if you've never seen the ITV documentary series The World at War, you really should. It was, at the time of its production, the most expensive television series ever made, costing nearly a million pounds (which I believe would be something like £14 million today). Since it's about World War II and was made in the early '70s, it involves extensive interviews with a great many survivors of the war, from all sides, and rather set the standard for sprawling war documentaries.

I bring this up not specifically because of the TOG, but because at one point early in the series, while discussing the run-up to the war, they show footage of the Wehrmacht rearming and developing its revolutionary combined-arms tactics; then they cut to the inter-war British army practicing bayonet charges or some such nonsense. While the footage runs, the narrator (none other than Sir Laurence Olivier) remarks with acid sarcasm (paraphrased from memory), "Meanwhile, in England, the British Army diligently practices for a war that ended in 1918."

That was basically the thinking behind the TOG II. It would have been the ultimate weapon in the Great War, a trench buster so powerful and sophisticated as to flatten all the barbed wire in France and leave the Boche quaking in their pointy helmets. Unfortunately, that war had been over for 20-some years by that point. :)

>(NB: If playing WOT, don't stand and trade blows with a TOG. That's
>a Challenger turret complete with 17lbr.)

Also, be advised that - although their actual armor is next to useless - they have a crapload of hit points.

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19. "RE: World of Tanks premium watch"
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   The TOG, in and of itself, I find meh. But then, I don't play WoT.
The reason for the name, though, that I find hilarious.

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