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"ED - 209/A1: Knight Defender"
 
   LAST EDITED ON Aug-10-01 AT 05:29 PM (EDT)

Only two were being made today, and the second would cause no
little bit of controversy: it would mark the first time in
Salusia's long history that an automaton was sworn in as a
Knight-Defender.
--- from Right of Passage

This brings in a couple of questions;

What's ED's status under Touring III?

Isn't a Knight-Defender supposed to train and maintain
a cadre of "Squires," and small army of "Men at Arms"
for use in defense of the throne?

What is ED's Coat of Arms?

--
Wha-CHUNK.
The sound of the safety interlocks in ED-209/A1's autocannons
snapping out of battery instantly commanded everyone's attention.
"Thank you," said Ed, and he opened fire.


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  RE: ED - 209/A1: Knight Defender Fanatic Aug-10-01 1
     RE: ED - 209/A1: Knight Defender trigger Aug-10-01 2
         RE: ED - 209/A1: Knight Defender Neophyte Aug-10-01 3
  RE: ED - 209/A1: Knight Defender Gryphonadmin Aug-10-01 4
     RE: ED - 209/A1: Knight Defender Croaker Aug-14-01 15
  RE: ED - 209/A1: Knight Defender Mephronmoderator Aug-10-01 5
     RE: ED - 209/A1: Knight Defender Pangaro Aug-10-01 6
         RE: ED - 209/A1: Knight Defender Star Ranger4 Aug-11-01 7
         RE: ED - 209/A1: Knight Defender Matrix Dragon Aug-12-01 9
             RE: ED - 209/A1: Knight Defender Mephronmoderator Aug-13-01 10
                 RE: ED - 209/A1: Knight Defender Dreamshadow Aug-13-01 11
                     RE: ED - 209/A1: Knight Defender Mephronmoderator Aug-13-01 12
                         RE: ED - 209/A1: Knight Defender Star Ranger4 Aug-13-01 13
                             RE: ED - 209/A1: Knight Defender Mephronmoderator Aug-13-01 14
                                 RE: ED - 209/A1: Knight Defender Star Ranger4 Aug-15-01 16
  RE: ED - 209/A1: Knight Defender Kitsune9tl Aug-11-01 8

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Fanatic
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1. "RE: ED - 209/A1: Knight Defender"
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>What's ED's status under Touring III?
If my understanding of the Touring test and from seeing examples of ED-209s in action.
It's Highly likely that this one WOULD pass the test with flying colors, although other ones would be IFFY.
With out hunting down guestimates of the programming invovled with the project, I would say that a production ED-209 could be considered sentient but would have to be a ward of somebody due to the fact that they have a limited intelligence.
In other words, He thinks, there for is.
as for the rest.
Dunno, and don't want to anger the nice Battle-Droid.
Fan


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2. "RE: ED - 209/A1: Knight Defender"
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   My first thought is "Who would cross Asrial?"

After all she is queen, she just put down a rebellion, and ED saved her life. I'd say the whole Turing III question is null and void. Would you want to piss her off by asking if he's passed a test?

As for the rest of it, I don't think Gyrph, Zoner, and Redneck have Salusian squads at their beck and call in their offical positions of "Knight Defender" I suspect the rules for them depend on the Queen.

And given the reason why she became Queen, why would she want the Knight Defenders to have small private armies? Pre-Tokagawa Japan demonstrates what a bad, bad idea it is. I think Tokagawa Ieasu and Queen Asrial both had excellent reasons to get rid of every noble's private army, don't you?

t.


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3. "RE: ED - 209/A1: Knight Defender"
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   >As for the rest of it, I don't think Gyrph, Zoner, and Redneck have
>Salusian squads at their beck and call in their offical positions of
>"Knight Defender" I suspect the rules for them depend on the Queen.

Maybe not Salusian squads, but what about the WDF and CFMF? Those are a couple of fairly significant "private" armies.


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4. "RE: ED - 209/A1: Knight Defender"
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   >What's ED's status under Touring III?

Given that he was made a subject of the Crown by royal fiat, kind of moot.

>Isn't a Knight-Defender supposed to train and maintain
>a cadre of "Squires," and small army of "Men at Arms"
>for use in defense of the throne?

Apparently not.

>What is ED's Coat of Arms?

I could make a smartass comment about "argent battledroid rampant to the sinister, against sable", but I think instead I'll just look at you funny for asking such a weird question.

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15. "RE: ED - 209/A1: Knight Defender"
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   >>What is ED's Coat of Arms?
>
>I could make a smartass comment about "argent battledroid rampant to
>the sinister, against sable", but I think instead I'll just look at
>you funny for asking such a weird question.

But, Ben, you did make a smartass comment about "argent
battledroid"etc. ;)

So don't be surprised that we chuckle. ;)

>
>--G.
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5. "RE: ED - 209/A1: Knight Defender"
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   >What is ED's Coat of Arms?

Sable, an estoille gules.

A black field with a red star on it. Black, for the ground of Salusia, some of which made the metals that formed ED. The red star to represent the reason that Ed GOT the Knight-Defendership: the rendering down to a splatter of Alois Greub.

Just an idea from a herald.

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6. "RE: ED - 209/A1: Knight Defender"
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   >>What is ED's Coat of Arms?
>
>Sable, an estoille gules.
>
>A black field with a red star on it. Black, for the ground of
>Salusia, some of which made the metals that formed ED. The red star
>to represent the reason that Ed GOT the Knight-Defendership: the
>rendering down to a splatter of Alois Greub.

I think a red spot would be correct thing to use.

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7. "RE: ED - 209/A1: Knight Defender"
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   Except that there is no heraldic term that I recall for a splat. A Star is the closest your going to get.

Simple, yet elegant, too. Heck of a lot better than what I was going to use if I was ever awarded arms... lesse if I can even remember it?

Azure, 'ace of spades(white box with sable cardpique)' pierced by a flaming sword. nope. cant remember the full, correct heraldic descrption.

phooey

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9. "RE: ED - 209/A1: Knight Defender"
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   >I think a red spot would be correct thing to use.

I think a fine red mist would be more likely, considering just how much ammo he spent on Gerub.

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10. "RE: ED - 209/A1: Knight Defender"
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   >I think a fine red mist would be more likely, considering just how
>much ammo he spent on Gerub.
>
>Matrix Dragon

I was trying to use traditional blazoning, rather than coming up with what we used to call 'meatloaf heraldry'.

(A bear dormant, proper is the canonical example of such. Because a that's basically a brown bear, sleeping in the curled up position, in such a way that it looks like, well, a meatloaf. There's also 'sable and argent chequey', AKA Art Op Improper.)

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11. "RE: ED - 209/A1: Knight Defender"
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Is there somewhere where I can learn more about heraldry? I just got done reading several books (including The First Chronicles of Amber) and would like to know the significance of some of the banners. Thanks.

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12. "RE: ED - 209/A1: Knight Defender"
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   >Is there somewhere where I can learn more about heraldry? I just got
>done reading several books (including The First Chronicles of Amber)
>and would like to know the significance of some of the banners.
>Thanks.

http://www.demon.co.uk/apl385/gilling/herldref.htm

It's got a good rundown of classical heraldric terms, to at least give you an idea about things.

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13. "RE: ED - 209/A1: Knight Defender"
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   Thanks. That should make it:

Azure, billet argent cardpique sable, pierced by flaming sword.

At least I *think* that's correct... Meph?

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14. "RE: ED - 209/A1: Knight Defender"
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   >Thanks. That should make it:
>
>Azure, billet argent cardpique sable, pierced by flaming sword.
>
>At least I *think* that's correct... Meph?

I can't find 'cardpique' anywhere, actually, so I can't say. If it's something that's on top of the billet, it should work in later European heraldry when they had to relax the strictures of go insane. Under the earlier ones, you can't put metal on metal (argent and or (white and yellow/silver and gold) or tincture on tincture.

This is getting waaaay off base, me thinks.

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16. "RE: ED - 209/A1: Knight Defender"
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   >I can't find 'cardpique' anywhere, actually, so I can't say. If it's
>something that's on top of the billet, it should work in later
>European heraldry when they had to relax the strictures of go insane.
>Under the earlier ones, you can't put metal on metal (argent and or
>(white and yellow/silver and gold) or tincture on tincture.
>

Its the spade shape off of playing cards. And yes, that's the proper term, I asked my local herald about it while I was active in the SCA.

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8. "RE: ED - 209/A1: Knight Defender"
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   For some reason I just got this image Sir Ed marching
into the field supported by a squadron of Droidekka,
under the banner of Crossed Chainguns under
the Salusian Crown.
--
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