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"S5: Meet the Duelists"
 
   Jeraddo Chapter
(Deedlit Satori Mandeville Memorial Institute)

Boba Fett
Office:
President
Class of: 2410 (senior)
Species: Human (Mandalorian)
Homeworld: Concord Dawn
Age: 17
Weapon of choice: Military fighting knife, paired

A tough, tenacious fighter with an extensive arsenal of dirty tricks, Boba has been trained in the commando fighting techniques of the ancient Mandalorians since he was old enough to stand. In addition to his skill at hand-to-hand combat, he is an expert marksman and an accomplished demolitionist with considerable knowledge of military fieldcraft. He owns a full set of Mandalorian Death Watch armor, equipped with communications systems, sensors, hidden weapons, and a rocket pack providing limited flight capability. A serious-minded young man, Boba is very conscious of his responsibilities.

Sumire (Mimi) Shinguuji
Office:
Acting Vice-President
Class of: 2410 (senior)
Species: Human
Homeworld: Ishiyama
Age: 17
Weapon of choice: Katana (Battle Sword Godfang)

Mimi is the daughter of Sakura Shinguuji, the hereditary Protector of the Empire of Morita, and her husband Ichiro, a naval officer and an accomplished swordsman in his own right. She is the confirmed heir of the Shinguuji family and highly trained in the family's ancient kenjutsu style, the Shinguuji Hokushin Ittōryuu. Cheerful and upbeat, Mimi hides a fierce warrior's heart within her polite, cultured exterior. Her weapon, Godfang, was forged by Corwin Ravenhair from adamantine, a nearly indestructible Asgardian metal.

B'Elanna O'Brien
Office:
Vice-President
Class of: ?
Species: Half human, half Klingon
Homeworld: Qo'noS
Age: 16
Weapon of choice: Bat'leth (Klingon honor sword)

B'Elanna is the adopted daughter of Babylon 6 chief engineer Miles O'Brien - and the niece by blood of Klayvor vestai-Klavaar, the self-proclaimed Klingon Emperor. Tough-minded and stubborn, she once turned her back on the customs of her mother's people, but encounters with the likes of Professor Kraalgh, Krontep, and Klaang convinced her that the true Klingon way was worth investigating. She learned the use of the bat'leth and the daqtagh, the Klingon dueling dagger, from Krontep and Kraalgh. B'Elanna took a leave of absence from DSM in order to join the Klingon forces loyal to Chancellor Krojaar and fight in the Klingon Civil War. She is being trained as a battle engineer in the fleet of General Zargh Thalekh.

Stephen G. Dukat, Esq.
Office:
Treasurer
Class of: 2412 (sophomore)
Species: Cardassian
Homeworld: Bajor
Age: 14
Weapon of choice: Tajir (Cardassian dueling blade), paired

Born on Bajor during the Cardassian domination of that world in the chaotic years following the War of Corporate Occupation, Stephen Dukat is the son of the planet's last Cardassian military governor, the late Gul Skrain Dukat. Like his father (whose memory is held in disgrace in the Cardassian Union), Stephen grew to love Bajor and consider it his home. Though he was taken back to Cardassia Prime by his mother when she abandoned Bajor and her husband at the end of the occupation, he ran away as soon as he was able and returned to Bajor. Sardonic and a bit cynical but good-hearted, young Dukat has a measure of his father's powerful charisma. His time in Cardassian schools gifted him with his race's famed intellectual discipline and a proficiency with the tajir, a traditional Cardassian dueling sword.

Sakura Byakuro
Office:
Secretary
Class of: 2411 (junior)
Species: Human
Homeworld: Tomodachi
Age: 16
Weapon of choice: Ninja-to (Kurokage)

Slim, redheaded Sakura is the heir to the Byakuro Number One Shadow Society, one of Tomodachi's many ninja clans. Though she has received intensive training in the arts of silence, evasion, deception, and even assassination for all of her young life, she remains a friendly and cheerful young woman with a positive outlook. Her clan is one of Tomodachi's most honorable, having sworn generations ago to sell their swords only for purposes the clan elders consider righteous and true. Her time as a Duelist is expected to mold her into a more widely experienced leader with well-rounded skills. She is adept not only in stealth and combat, but also battlefield medicine. Her silent blade Kurokage ("Black Shadow") is 700 years old; Sakura is its 44th wielder.

Nita Daran
Class of:
2413 (freshman)
Species: Bajoran
Homeworld: Bajor
Age: 13
Weapon of choice: Tactical baton, paired

Orphaned by the Cardassian occupiers of Bajor, Daran grew up on her own in the tough part of Bajor's capital city before her academic potential was discovered by a juvenile corrections officer. An experienced street fighter, she is tough, self-reliant, and cynical. She believes that the Cardassian occupiers had a valid philosophy: that only through strength can a person, or a culture, avoid exploitation. Her fighting style is the most ruthless and brutal of all the current Jeraddo Duelists', outstripping even Boba Fett's Mandalorian techniques in its directness and potential for mayhem. She always carries a pair of collapsible tactical batons, deceptively vicious weapons in the hands of an expert, and will not hesitate to use them painfully on anyone who she perceives as a threat. She has an odd fascination with Dukat, probably because of his Cardassian heritage.

Lindsay Willows
Class of:
2412 (sophomore)
Species: Human
Homeworld: New Avalon
Age: 15
Weapon of choice: Rapier

Blonde and bubbly Lindsay is the most inquisitive of the current Jeraddo Duelists - a legacy from her mother, IPO crime scene investigator Catherine Willows. She studied fencing specifically so that she could join the Duelists' Society when she arrived at DSM, reasoning that that would be where the action is. Though not the most martially skilled resident of the Castle, she's dogged and relentless, refusing to give up until she's fairly beaten. Her instinct for investigation sometimes gets her into trouble, but her capacity for quick thinking gets her out again more often than not.

T'Par
Class of:
2413 (freshman)
Species: Vulcan
Homeworld: Vulcan
Age: 14
Weapon of choice: Lirpa (Vulcan glaive)

A faithful follower of the Way of Surak, T'Par is cool, competent, and strives at all times to be utterly dispassionate. Her logical viewpoint irritates some of her more passionate fellows, who often wonder why a Vulcan would choose to indulge in a pastime like dueling in the first place. She claims to see combat as a mental exercise, and that she seeks to understand the psyches of her non-Vulcan colleagues through what they reveal of themselves in battle. Whatever her true motivations, she is a loyal Society member and her analytical mind combined with her Vulcan strength make her a force to be reckoned with in the dueling room. In addition to dueling, T'Par enjoys, insofar as her training permits enjoyment, games of mental skill, such as memory tricks, logic puzzles, and strategy games.

Tom Palmer
Office:
President emeritus
Class of: 2413 (University Division freshman)
Species: Human
Homeworld: Orron III
Age: 18
Weapon of choice: Quarterstaff

Rugged, rangy, and handsome, Tom likes to bill himself as a simple farmboy. The latter is true, but a bit of an understatement, since he comes from Orron III, the breadbasket of the Corporate Sector. The former is entirely false. His father is one of the great Renaissance men of his age, and like him, Tom knows a little bit about everything and a lot about several things. He goes bounty hunting with his best friend Boba Fett on school breaks and is the Jeraddo chapter's designated wine expert. Tom is a born diplomat who often mediates in disagreements between Duelists or between the Society and other organizations. Originally just a friend of the original DSM Duelists, he took up the study of staff fighting after the first generation graduated in 2406.


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  RE: S5: Meet the Duelists kairos Jan-06-07 1
     RE: S5: Meet the Duelists Gryphonadmin Jan-06-07 2
  RE: S5: Meet the Duelists MOGSY Jan-06-07 3
     RE: S5: Meet the Duelists PCHammerteam Jan-07-07 5
         RE: S5: Meet the Duelists Lime2K Jan-08-07 7
         RE: S5: Meet the Duelists MOGSY Jan-08-07 10
         RE: S5: Meet the Duelists WengFook Jan-15-07 46
  RE: S5: Meet the Duelists Verbena Jan-07-07 4
     RE: S5: Meet the Duelists Gryphonadmin Jan-08-07 6
         RE: S5: Meet the Duelists Verbena Jan-08-07 8
             RE: S5: Meet the Duelists Peter Eng Jan-08-07 9
                 RE: S5: Meet the Duelists Gryphonadmin Jan-08-07 11
  S5: Meet the Duelists II Gryphonadmin Jan-09-07 12
     RE: S5: Meet the Duelists II jadmire Jan-09-07 13
         RE: S5: Meet the Duelists II Gryphonadmin Jan-09-07 15
             RE: S5: Meet the Duelists II jadmire Jan-09-07 17
     RE: S5: Meet the Duelists II Meagen Jan-09-07 14
         RE: S5: Meet the Duelists II Gryphonadmin Jan-09-07 16
     RE: S5: Meet the Duelists II mdg1 Jan-09-07 18
         RE: S5: Meet the Duelists II Gryphonadmin Jan-09-07 19
             RE: S5: Meet the Duelists II mdg1 Jan-09-07 20
             RE: S5: Meet the Duelists II O_M Jan-10-07 21
             RE: S5: Meet the Duelists II jadmire Jan-10-07 22
             RE: S5: Meet the Duelists II kairos Jan-10-07 23
                 RE: S5: Meet the Duelists II Gryphonadmin Jan-10-07 24
             RE: S5: Meet the Duelists II CdrMike Jan-10-07 25
                 RE: S5: Meet the Duelists II Croaker Jan-10-07 26
                     RE: S5: Meet the Duelists II mdg1 Jan-10-07 27
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             RE: S5: Meet the Duelists II MOGSY Jan-10-07 28
                 RE: S5: Meet the Duelists II Gryphonadmin Jan-10-07 29
                     RE: S5: Meet the Duelists II jadmire Jan-10-07 30
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                     RE: S5: Meet the Duelists II BZArchermoderator Jan-10-07 35
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kairos
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1. "RE: S5: Meet the Duelists"
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   >A faithful follower of the Way of Surak, T'Par is cool, competent, and
>strives at all times to be utterly dispassionate.

It is a bit sad to see that the Way of Surak is still thought to involve denying passions, instead of mastering them. One worries that this will hurt a lot of Vulcans, if indeed it hasn't already.


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2. "RE: S5: Meet the Duelists"
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   >>A faithful follower of the Way of Surak, T'Par is cool, competent, and
>>strives at all times to be utterly dispassionate.
>
>It is a bit sad to see that the Way of Surak is still thought to
>involve denying passions, instead of mastering them.

"Dispassionate" can mean "devoid of passion or emotion", but it can also mean unaffected by same. Wiser students of Surak's teachings - such as our old friend Captain Spock - follow the second path. This is somewhat similar to defining courage as the capacity to overcome fear, rather than a simple inability to feel it.

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3. "RE: S5: Meet the Duelists"
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   So, where's the slot for the quarters? I'm ready to play this fighting game :)


Super Duellist Fighter II Turbo!


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5. "RE: S5: Meet the Duelists"
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   >Super Duellist Fighter II Turbo!

Actually their games would be closer relatives of the Soul Calibur series. "Duelist's Soul", perhaps. The second-wave game would be "Duelist's Soul 2: Heritage of Destiny".

Because it's not Soul Calibur-ish until you throw some destiny crap in there. :)

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7. "RE: S5: Meet the Duelists"
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   >Actually their games would be closer relatives of the Soul Calibur series. "Duelist's Soul", perhaps. The
>second-wave game would be "Duelist's Soul 2: Heritage of Destiny".

I'd be _all_ over that!

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10. "RE: S5: Meet the Duelists"
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   >>Super Duellist Fighter II Turbo!
>
>Actually their games would be closer relatives of the Soul Calibur
>series.


Aye, I can see that, but my first fighting game loyalty has always been to SF, and my first Eyrie loyalty has always been Warrior's Legacy truth be told :)

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46. "RE: S5: Meet the Duelists"
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   >>Super Duellist Fighter II Turbo!
>
>Actually their games would be closer relatives of the Soul Calibur
>series. "Duelist's Soul", perhaps. The second-wave game would be
>"Duelist's Soul 2: Heritage of Destiny".
>
>Because it's not Soul Calibur-ish until you throw some destiny crap in
>there. :)
>
Two quotes from the soul calibur seem appropriate at this time,
"Welcome to the stage of history!"

and

"Akio Ohtori has been mortally wounded, but his soul still burns."

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4. "RE: S5: Meet the Duelists"
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   Actually, the one Duelist I was most interested in, having played Lunar before ages ago and rather liking the whole Asrial thing (even if I have no notion where Salusia comes from), was Jessica. Did she leave for good, if so why, if we're allowed to know yet? =)


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6. "RE: S5: Meet the Duelists"
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   >Actually, the one Duelist I was most interested in, having played
>Lunar before ages ago and rather liking the whole Asrial thing (even
>if I have no notion where Salusia comes from), was Jessica. Did she
>leave for good, if so why, if we're allowed to know yet? =)

She graduated in 2407, so she's not a member of the Jeraddo chapter in 2410. Her listing will probably appear in part 3, which will list the members of the Order of the Rose who don't belong to one of the two main chapters (the DSM Duelists' Society and Tenjou Academy's original Ancient and Illuminated Order of the Rose, also known as the Prince's Guards).

(Salusia, by the way, originally comes from Ninja High School, though the UF version of their culture and their notable personages has evolved so much at this point that most of the remaining resemblance is probably coincidental).

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8. "RE: S5: Meet the Duelists"
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   >>Actually, the one Duelist I was most interested in, having played
>>Lunar before ages ago and rather liking the whole Asrial thing (even
>>if I have no notion where Salusia comes from), was Jessica. Did she
>>leave for good, if so why, if we're allowed to know yet? =)
>
>She graduated in 2407, so she's not a member of the Jeraddo chapter in
>2410. Her listing will probably appear in part 3, which will list the
>members of the Order of the Rose who don't belong to one of the two
>main chapters (the DSM Duelists' Society and Tenjou Academy's original
>Ancient and Illuminated Order of the Rose, also known as the Prince's
>Guards).

Aha, thanks! Much appreciated. That whole section of the UF universe shown in Rite of Passage always interested me, and it really hadn't made much of a return to the stage at all until Jessica showed up. (I end up being interested in the least meaningful side characters sometimes. Other examples include Amanda's cousin Tasmia (what the heck is she doing now, with Raven taking over her job?) and especially Teleute and Diana.) And finding there's going to be multiple parts to this listing is much appreciated, also. =P

>
>(Salusia, by the way, originally comes from Ninja High School,
>though the UF version of their culture and their notable personages
>has evolved so much at this point that most of the remaining
>resemblance is probably coincidental).

Aaaaah. I knew for certain you'd mentioned this once already but I wasn't able to find it, or maybe I just misspelled a search criterion. I didn't look hard, in any event, I admit. Now, at the very least, I can find visual references for some of these people.

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9. "RE: S5: Meet the Duelists"
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   LAST EDITED ON Jan-08-07 AT 12:44 PM (EST)
 
>Other examples include Amanda's cousin Tasmia (what the
>heck is she doing now, with Raven taking over her job?)
>

You've got your timestamps mixed up. Tasmia first appears in Day of Infamy, which post-dates Raven's appearance. So Raven isn't replacing Tasmia, and Tasmia may not be replacing Raven; Tasmia appears to be dedicated bodyguard, not a witch or a student of Katsujinkenryuu.

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11. "RE: S5: Meet the Duelists"
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   >Raven isn't
>replacing Tasmia, and Tasmia may not be replacing Raven

Tasmia doesn't replace Raven in A Day of Infamy so much as stand in for her; Raven's... out of town that week.

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12. "S5: Meet the Duelists II"
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   Cephiro Chapter
(Tenjou Academy)
Ancient and Illuminated Order of the Rose

Kanae Ohtori
Office:
Grand Duelist (The End of the World)
Class: N/A; Deputy Chair, Tenjou Academy Board of Trustees
Homeland: Nihonia
Age: 20
Weapon of choice: Rapier

The last generation of the Ohtori family, hereditary guardians of the Academy at the Center of the World, Kanae was bewitched and seduced by the Fallen Prince as a young girl. Through his contrived engagement to her, Akio took the Ohtori name, and in so doing gained access to the inner workings of the ancient Duelists' Code - thus beginning the dark age known today as the Lost Tournament. Freed from Akio's influence by his death in 2406, she took up the mantle of her family's ancient obligation in an effort to atone for the crimes against Cephiro she made possible. Wholly committed - some would say driven - she sees the Order of the Rose as a sacred honor entrusted to her by her liege prince. It is a trust for which she would die.

Mitsuru Tsuwabuki
Office:
Seneschal, Student Council president
Class: 2412 (sophomore)
Homeland: Nihonia
Age: 13
Weapon of choice: Scimitar

Tsuwabuki was the youngest participant in the Lost Tournament, and the experience left its mark on him as all the others, bringing him maturity at an early age. Wise beyond his years, he leads the student Duelists by acclamation despite being the youngest of them. Apprentice to Master Mage Clef and an accomplished mage-knight in his own right, he knows better than any of his fellow students what evil the Fallen Prince is capable of. Forced to grow up before his time, he remains lighthearted, carrying his responsibilities with grace and aplomb. Never rattled, never riled, he sets a calm example for the others.

Keiko Sonoda
Office:
Student Council vice-president
Class: 2410 (senior)
Hoemeland: Nihonia
Age: 17
Weapon of choice: Katana

Acerbic Keiko used to be one of Nanami Kiryuu's minions, back when Nanami was the queen bee of the Ohtori Academy Junior High School Division's top clique, and an ardent pursuer of Nanami's elder brother Touga. Now older and wiser, she knows better than to judge friend or foe by appearances. Though she would probably never admit it outright, she considers looking after Tsuwabuki her charge in life, as a fellow veteran of both Black Rose bewitchment and Nanami's dysfunctional peer group. He doesn't need much watching, but Keiko's always ready to support him. Cool-headed and steady, she serves as a guide and counselor for the younger Duelists - though not without the occasional biting remark. She has a bit of a mean streak in battle, which may be because her dueling prowess originally came from Touga by way of the Black Rose enchantment.

Kardon Felz
Office:
Student Council secretary
Class: 2412 (sophomore)
Homeland: Gothria
Age: 14
Weapon of choice: Hand-and-a-half sword

Tough, burly Kardon comes from Gothria, an industrial kingdom in the cold north of Cephiro that shares borders with Gaulia and Autozam. In older times, Gothria had a proud chivalric order, the Gothric Knights, whose members rode in support of the Pillar's Duelists. One of Kardon's ancestors was a Knight of Gothria, and Kard has inherited both his holy sword and his zeal to serve the Pillar's cause. At first glance, he's an unlikely candidate for knighthood: cheerful and irreverent, he seems to relish the excitement of battle more than the prospect of nobility... but there may be more to this young warrior than meets the eye. Kard is one of the few current Duelists with actual military (as opposed to sporting) training, and also possesses armor and a shield, though their use is prohibited on the dueling floor.

Peregrine Took
Office:
Student Council treasurer
Class: 2413 (freshman)
Homeland: Vanaheim
Age: 24
Weapon of choice: Short sword

One of the vŠttir, or little folk (they dislike being called "halflings"), of western Vanaheim, Peregrine comes from a long line of Peregrin(e) Tooks: some male, some female (the female ones end the name with a silent "e"), adventurers all. Clan Took is famous throughout the Upper Worlds for its penchant for adventure, a reputation established by the original Peregrin Took's prominent appearance in The Red Book of Westmarch. The latest to bear the name is no exception. She is Tenjou Academy's first non-Cephirean student, drawn to the recently-opened Tenth World by the prospect of exploring the unknown and being the first of her kind to go somewhere. Though quite small (3'2", 30 lb.) and usually cheerful, she can be very fierce, and her sword, a Mainz-type gladius made by the dwarven smith Dannen Ironbridge, is no joke.

Lantar ib'Zalhir
Class:
2412 (sophomore)
Homeland: Shalhara
Age: 14
Weapon of choice: Halberd

Lantar is the first student from the far-flung desert kingdom of Shalhara ever to attend the school now known as Tenjou Academy. He is the son of a Shalharan merchant captain and has been handling the desert realm's famed flying ships since he was a small boy. Wiry and tough like almost all his people, Lantar finds the climate of Nihonia unpleasantly cool and damp, but he bears it gladly for the honor of representing his harsh but handsome homeland at the School at the Center of the World. He possesses a full measure of the famed Shalharan love for courtesy, hospitality, and humor. Unusual for a modern Duelist, he has experience of actual battle, having used his shalkava, or desert halberd, to defend his father's ships against the pirates of the Windam Archipelago.


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13. "RE: S5: Meet the Duelists II"
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   LAST EDITED ON Jan-09-07 AT 05:17 PM (EST)
 
Well, if that don't beat all! It seems you've actually found at least one character in The Lord of the Rings that you like enough to incorporate into UF. Do I need to start listening for Gabriel (or whomever he's an aspect of) to blow his trumpet? :)

(Seriously, though, I'm glad - Pippin is one of my favorite LOTR characters. I assume somebody is going to call his latter-day namesake "a fool of a Took" at some point, and how she'll reply is anyone's guess... :) )

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15. "RE: S5: Meet the Duelists II"
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   >I assume somebody is going to call his latter-day
>namesake "a fool of a Took" at some point, and how she'll reply is
>anyone's guess... :)

In the Shire, "fool of a Took" is almost a compliment, depending on its delivery. If nothing else, it acknowledges that the recipient has a certain... panache.

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17. "RE: S5: Meet the Duelists II"
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   LAST EDITED ON Jan-09-07 AT 09:05 PM (EST)
 
>In the Shire, "fool of a Took" is almost a compliment, depending on
>its delivery. If nothing else, it acknowledges that the recipient has
>a certain... panache.
>
Of the sort that makes the person so described do insanely dangerous things just because it seemed like a good idea at the time, all too often. Yep, that describes Peregrine's renowned ancestor to a T. He would drop a stone down a well in a deserted mine complex full of enemies just to see if it would make a cool noise, and he'd go staring into a crystal ball with Someone Extremely Dangerous on the other end, or stab a troll in the guts and endure being fallen upon as a result, but he'd bounce back every time.

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14. "RE: S5: Meet the Duelists II"
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   LAST EDITED ON Jan-09-07 AT 05:17 PM (EST)
 
>Peregrine Took

I'm *so* glad I wasn't drinking anything. That would have been one heck of a spit-take.

Another case of taking a character from a setting you don't like?

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16. "RE: S5: Meet the Duelists II"
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   >Another case of taking a character from a setting you don't like?

Not necessarily. More on this later.

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18. "RE: S5: Meet the Duelists II"
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   You wrote LOTR into UF canon.

That is either brilliant, insane, or both.

(Of course, now I'm wondering if there are any Jade Realm characters floating around Cephiro too. But my partisanship for GD is on record. :) )

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19. "RE: S5: Meet the Duelists II"
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   >You wrote LOTR into UF canon.

Well... sort of. I mean, The Lord of the Rings exists as a book in the UF universe, and is customarily held to be a work of 20th-century Earth fiction, just as it is here in the real world (by people not suffering from delusional fandom syndrome, anyway). It remains a popular and influential work of literature, albeit one blessed with a fandom that tends toward a rather alarming level of intensity and stridency, into the 25th century, and there is still that little hard core who fold their arms and grump privately that they enjoyed The Hobbit considerably more.

What I'm doing in adapting it to UF is to take literally the sly metacontinuity that Tolkien himself sometimes invoked. Tolkien claimed, with a bit of a wink, that The Hobbit and The Lord of the Rings were both English translations from the ancient Red Book of Westmarch, and that some details had probably been lost in translation.

The thing is, he presented the Red Book as a history of events that occurred on a pre-historic Earth, in some ancient epoch that happened so long ago it isn't reflected in the archæological record. That won't really wash, so my take on it for UF purposes is that it was a blind, intended as another sly wink to the knowing reader. The Red Book isn't an account of events in ancient Midgard at all, and Professor Tolkien knew it: it's an account of events in ancient Vanaheim and Alfheim, from an era before the rise of the current Æsir and Vanir - probably back during the lifetime of Búri, Odin's grandfather, the original king of the gods.

Why do I like this concept? Simple - it's classic early sci-fi. Victorian SF writers, especially, loved to present their works as "memoirs" of witnesses to "actual events", as did H.P. Lovecraft. There's nothing in the text that actually contradicts this, and it gives our fictional take on Tolkien a pleasantly Lovecraftian sort of feel; the quiet English professor of ancient languages becomes a traveler of the planes and historian to the gods who presented his research as fiction because The World Wasn't Ready for the Truth, a classic literary device and a piece of own-tail-eating metacontinuity that appeals to me tremendously.

(Presumably he got to Vanaheim and Alfheim to conduct his research through the good offices of his close friend and associate, the wizard C.S. Lewis.)

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20. "RE: S5: Meet the Duelists II"
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   That works even better. Especially given Tolkien's fairly overt love for rural England. The idea that he sometimes took long walks in Alfheim (probably the model for Rivendell) really appeals. Especially if he's still there. :)

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21. "RE: S5: Meet the Duelists II"
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   What I'm doing in adapting it to UF is to take literally the sly metacontinuity that Tolkien himself sometimes invoked. Tolkien claimed, with a bit of a wink, that The Hobbit and The Lord of the Rings were both English translations from the ancient Red Book of Westmarch, and that some details had probably been lost in translation.

For someone who's a self-avowed not-quite fan of the series, I'm admittedly surprised you were aware of that little bit of side-trivia. I only learned about it(despite being enough of a fan to slough through Unfinished Tales in addition to that book that begins with S whose spelling I will not attempt at this time)when it came up in one of the special features of the DVDs of the movie.

That said, I must salute you on possibly the most brilliant means of LotR crossover EVER.

That, and I giggled like a fool at the reference to Mr. Lewis. :)


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22. "RE: S5: Meet the Duelists II"
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   That's a good way of working the events of LotR (and The Silmarillion, come to think of it) into the UF canon. Among other things, it provides an easy way to make the Valar stand-ins for the Aesir, or more accurately, their ancestors, as well as, should you choose to pursue that route, making the dragons of that far-off time the distant ancestors of today's Great Dragons of Alfheim, including Nall. (Not to mention that it opens up the possibility for Gunnr to have some really cool forebears.)

So, what caused you to mellow so significantly toward a book you used to really, really hate?

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23. "RE: S5: Meet the Duelists II"
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   That's great! I'd never have thought of it myself, but it works out well. (That said, I am now wondering if you might ever do anything with Malacandra. (Consider that to be rhetorical, if you like.))


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24. "RE: S5: Meet the Duelists II"
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   >That said, I am now wondering if you might ever do anything
>with Malacandra.

In UF, "Malacandra" is what the Martians call Mars, albeit the Martians themselves are the DC Comics version. (Recent DC efforts have retconned the Martian name for Mars into a take on "Malacandra" that has a bunch of extraneous apostrophes. Around here, we don't feel the need to bother with that action. :)

I enjoyed Out of the Silent Planet quite a bit, Perelandra and That Hideous Strength rather less so - possibly because Lewis was becoming such a prominent Christian apologist by the time he wrote the latter two, especially That Hideous Strength, that it's hard to read them without feeling annoyingly preached-to.

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25. "RE: S5: Meet the Duelists II"
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   >Why do I like this concept? Simple - it's classic early
>sci-fi
. Victorian SF writers, especially, loved to present their
>works as "memoirs" of witnesses to "actual events", as did H.P.
>Lovecraft.

I can only imagine what horrors envisioned by the good Mr. Lovecraft exist in the UF universe. Randolph Carter has appeared, along with mentions of his own adventures, but that's fairly tame compared to, say, Dr. Herbert West.

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26. "RE: S5: Meet the Duelists II"
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   >>Why do I like this concept? Simple - it's classic early
>>sci-fi
. Victorian SF writers, especially, loved to present their
>>works as "memoirs" of witnesses to "actual events", as did H.P.
>>Lovecraft.
>
>I can only imagine what horrors envisioned by the good Mr. Lovecraft
>exist in the UF universe. Randolph Carter has appeared, along with
>mentions of his own adventures, but that's fairly tame compared to,
>say, Dr. Herbert West.

Wait, you mean the Vorlons aren't the real source of the Lloigor stories?

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27. "RE: S5: Meet the Duelists II"
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   I always thought they were evolved Daleks. :)

(Years ago, I actually had a theory that the Daleks became the Invid, who eventually evolved into Vorlons. But then again, I'm nuts)

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48. "RE: S5: Meet the Duelists II"
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   > But then again, I'm nuts)

...

Boy, is THAT an understatement!


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49. "RE: S5: Meet the Duelists II"
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   I could have made it work. :D

(Justifying the Zoanoid-based Destroid, OTOH...)

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28. "RE: S5: Meet the Duelists II"
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   Very nice! Here's hoping some analogue of Merry makes it way into the story as well then (for some reason I can picture a Brandybuck Brewery and a Sam Adams-like hobbit.."always a good choice" it just seems to fit, must be the whole Brandywine, brnady period, etc...)

The "buddy-cop" interplay of the two younger hobbits, and Gimli and Legolas has a nice fit to it as well...


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29. "RE: S5: Meet the Duelists II"
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   >The "buddy-cop" interplay of the two younger hobbits, and Gimli and
>Legolas has a nice fit to it as well...

Legolas and Gimli are the Jay and Silent Bob of Middle-earth.

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30. "RE: S5: Meet the Duelists II"
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   >>The "buddy-cop" interplay of the two younger hobbits, and Gimli and
>>Legolas has a nice fit to it as well...
>
>Legolas and Gimli are the Jay and Silent Bob of Middle-earth.
>

Is that good or bad?

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31. "RE: S5: Meet the Duelists II"
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   >>Legolas and Gimli are the Jay and Silent Bob of Middle-earth.
>
>Is that good or bad?

Depends on whether you run the convenience store in Lothlórien.

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39. "RE: S5: Meet the Duelists II"
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   >>>Legolas and Gimli are the Jay and Silent Bob of Middle-earth.
>>Is that good or bad?
>Depends on whether you run the convenience store in Lothlˇrien.

Apropos of that, I have vague memories of having read a heroic-fantasy-type story -- original Net.fiction, neither fanfic nor pro-published -- which featured as supporting characters a motormouthed High Elf named Jae who was paired with a quiet ogre by the name of Violent Bahb. (I suppose I should go Google and see if I'm remembering them correctly, and where I remember them from...)

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40. "RE: S5: Meet the Duelists II"
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   That'd be the adventures of Wulf Freelance. Sword-and-sorcery-and-a-whole-freaking-lot-of-sex. Furryphobics, steer clear. ^.^

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43. "RE: S5: Meet the Duelists II"
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   LAST EDITED ON Jan-12-07 AT 11:39 PM (EST) by Wedge (moderator)
 
>That'd be the adventures of Wulf Freelance.
> Sword-and-sorcery-and-a-whole-freaking-lot-of-sex.
> Furryphobics, steer clear. ^.^

Oh, right, it was erotica, wasn't it. I had quite honestly forgotten that -- as I recall the stories are very well written and hilariously funny at times.

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35. "RE: S5: Meet the Duelists II"
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>Legolas and Gimli are the Jay and Silent Bob of Middle-earth.
>

OW. Nose! Coffee! OW.

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47. "RE: S5: Meet the Duelists II"
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   >Legolas and Gimli are the Jay and Silent Bob of Middle-earth.

Please, I'm reading this at howdiditgetthatlate in the a.m. -- if I'd laughed the way I wanted to, I'd have woken everyone in the house and scared the neighbours' cats in the garden... either that or done myself a mischief. =)

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32. "RE: S5: Meet the Duelists II"
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   LAST EDITED ON Jan-10-07 AT 07:53 PM (EST)
 
>What I'm doing in adapting it to UF is to take literally the sly
>metacontinuity that Tolkien himself sometimes invoked. Tolkien
>claimed, with a bit of a wink, that The Hobbit and The Lord
>of the Rings
were both English translations from the ancient
>Red Book of Westmarch, and that some details had probably been
>lost in translation.
>
>The thing is, he presented the Red Book as a history of events
>that occurred on a pre-historic Earth, in some ancient epoch that
>happened so long ago it isn't reflected in the archŠological
>record. That won't really wash, so my take on it for UF purposes is
>that it was a blind, intended as another sly wink to the knowing
>reader. The Red Book isn't an account of events in ancient
>Midgard at all, and Professor Tolkien knew it: it's an account of
>events in ancient Vanaheim and Alfheim, from an era before the rise of
>the current Ăsir and Vanir - probably back during the lifetime
>of B˙ri, Odin's grandfather, the original king of the gods.
>
(...)
>
>(Presumably he got to Vanaheim and Alfheim to conduct his research
>through the good offices of his close friend and associate, the wizard
>C.S. Lewis.)
>
One thing that incorporating Middle-earth as part of the UFverse's backstory does, at least from my viewpoint, is to answer the question of how so many people in the Upper Worlds, from Asgard down to Svartalfheim, seem to all know the same language, i.e., what we know as Old Norse, and not just as a magic user's tongue either. Consider this bit from Knights of the Tenth World, Part 3, for example:

It wasn't actually black, but a very, very deep blue, like the
blue of a gun. The long, straight blade was double-edged like a
broadsword and perfectly balanced, seeming as right in Utena's hand as
the Heart of the Rose did. The basket hilt was worked into an
intricate rose vine, studded with wicked thorns, and it had a rose gem
hilt, just like the Heart's. Down the flat of its blade marched a
runic inscription in Anthy's mother's ancient script, and Anthy gasped
again in astonishment. It was a -Valkyrie's- sword!

Note that Anthy recognized the runic script - the same script as that used in Asgard - as the script used in Svartalfheim, and was able to read the inscription. It's possible that Svartalfheim uses the runic script to write a different language (just as the script is used in LOTR to write several different languages), but...

Here's what I think is going on (and this is strictly my own supposition, Gryphon and the rest of the editorial team may have something different in mind on this point): when UFverse Professor Tolkien is talking about the Common Tongue (a/k/a what he calls Westron, or Adunaic), he's really referring to the common language shared by the Upper Worlds of Asgard, Vanaheim, Alfheim, Jotunheim and Svartalfheim. As I said, this is the language we know today as Old Norse. (I'm pretty sure the real-world Tolkien knew ON, so the UFverse Tolkien most likely would have too, and therefore would have been able to communicate with the people he met in Alfheim and Vanaheim right away.) Obviously, reproducing large swatches of ON in LOTR would have given the game away, so he simply represented the Common Tongue as modern English. I further conjecture that Quenya and Sindarin are either actual languages of ancient Alfheim/Vanaheim, or else that Tolkien created fictional versions of those languages as part of the great blind.

Again, my own opinion, subject to voiding by editorial fiat. (Incidentially, UF-Tolkien would likely be eligible for Valhalla by dint of his World War I service on the Western Front, so if anyone with access to Asgard cared to, they could probably look him up and ask him themselves. If, that is, they could find him at home...I like to think of him, if he ended up in Valhalla, still tramping the byways of Alfheim and Vanaheim, walking staff in hand, collecting the legends and tongues of those lands.)

-Joe-

P.S. If 25th-century hobbits are as insular as they were at the time of the War of the Ring, I can just hear the grumblings of the crustier gaffers at the Green Dragon Inn in Bywater over their pipes and ale about the latest doings of Miss Took: "...didn't ought to be going to school in no heathen foreign parts..." Second old hobbit: "Aye, and not learning magic, either." Third old hobbit: "You watch, lads, she'll come to a bad end, see if she doesn't. She'll end up piloting a... (voice drops to portentous whisper) starship." (All recoil in horror and quaff their ale to cure the shock and dismay, then call loudly for more.)



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33. "RE: S5: Meet the Duelists II"
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   >Note that Anthy recognized the runic script - the same script as that
>used in Asgard - as the script used in Svartalfheim, and was able to
>read the inscription. It's possible that Svartalfheim uses the runic
>script to write a different language (just as the script is used in
>LOTR to write several different languages), but...

Mm. That's actually a bit of a blunder on my part - Svartalvish (which is an evolution, or a corruption, depending on your point of view, of Old Alvish, the ancient tongue of the elves of Alfheim) uses the same script as Alvish, not Old Norse (which uses the runic alphabet originally invented by Alfheim's dwarvish nations) - much like the way the Black Speech of Mordor is written using the same alphabet as Quenya. What the narration should note is that it's written in one of the languages Anthy's mother taught her, not "(her) mother's ancient script", which implies that the inscription is in Alvish.

However, your surmise about Old Norse being the "common tongue" in the Upper Worlds is correct. Like many things that have been around since the dawn of Asgard/Alfheim/Vanaheim, it has many names; "Westron" is what the elves of Alfheim, who live in the eastern parts of that realm, call it, because it originally comes from Asgard, which lies to the west if you're in the elvish kingdoms.

Tolkien himself claimed that Old Norse was a translation of the language used by the Men of Dale, mentioned in The Hobbit, as a way of explaining why all the dwarves in that book have Norse names, but we may safely assume that that was just a further dodge, since we're making all this stuff up anyway. :)

>I further conjecture that Quenya and
>Sindarin are either actual languages of ancient Alfheim/Vanaheim, or
>else that Tolkien created fictional versions of those languages as
>part of the great blind.

Essentially, Quenya = Old Alvish and Sindarin = Modern Alvish (also-also known as Elvish, and very similar to the language spoken on most of Hyeruul, such that Corwin, who is fluent in Elvish, can understand most of what Umi's saying when she speaks in her native language in Knights 2).

>(Incidentially, UF-Tolkien would likely be eligible for Valhalla by
>dint of his World War I service on the Western Front, so if anyone
>with access to Asgard cared to, they could probably look him up and
>ask him themselves.

Oh, I'm not at all convinced that he's actually dead. He was a great friend of the Vanir and the various other peoples of Vanaheim and Alfheim, and traveled widely in the celestial realms during his lifetime; it's entirely possible that on one of his later journeys, he simply never returned to Midgard.

>If, that is, they could find him at home...I like
>to think of him, if he ended up in Valhalla, still tramping the byways
>of Alfheim and Vanaheim, walking staff in hand, collecting the legends
>and tongues of those lands.)

In Alfheim, unsurprisingly, they call him Mithrandir.

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34. "RE: S5: Meet the Duelists II"
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   >In Alfheim, unsurprisingly, they call him Mithrandir.
>
You know, that is absolutely brilliant! The only question I have is whether he's called that after the Alvish name of Gandalf, or whether he used his Asgardian name for the character? Nicely done!

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36. "RE: S5: Meet the Duelists II"
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   >>In Alfheim, unsurprisingly, they call him Mithrandir.
>>
>You know, that is absolutely brilliant! The only question I
>have is whether he's called that after the Alvish name of Gandalf, or
>whether he used his Asgardian name for the character? Nicely done!

Well, it's a Modern Alvish word meaning "grey traveler", so possibly both, or neither... it's hard to tell with elves sometimes. :)

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37. "RE: S5: Meet the Duelists II"
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   LAST EDITED ON Jan-10-07 AT 08:46 PM (EST)
 
>However, your surmise about Old Norse being the "common tongue" in the
>Upper Worlds is correct. Like many things that have been around since
>the dawn of Asgard/Alfheim/Vanaheim, it has many names; "Westron" is
>what the elves of Alfheim, who live in the eastern parts of that
>realm, call it, because it originally comes from Asgard, which lies to
>the west if you're in the elvish kingdoms.

That clarifies another point, both as to the basic geography of the Upper Worlds and as to where the Professor got the idea for the relative placement of Middle-earth and the so-called "Blessed Realm".

>
>Tolkien himself claimed that Old Norse was a translation of the
>language used by the Men of Dale, mentioned in The Hobbit, as a
>way of explaining why all the dwarves in that book have Norse names,
>but we may safely assume that that was just a further dodge, since
>we're making all this stuff up anyway. :)

I ought to have thought of that myself, especially since I had been thinking earlier today about the Norse names of the dwarves. (No reason why they couldn't really have them, of course.)

Speaking of elves and dwarves, here's this little bit from Ash Knight:

Noticing the look on Anne's face, Corwin grinned. "This is
Dwarventown," he confirmed. "Mostly immigrants from the mountains of
Alfheim - craftsmen, mainly. Some mountain elves, too, like Gunnr.
They're the only breed of elves who really -like- dwarves."

This makes me wonder if Gunnr and her fellow mountain elves may be descendants of the elven people that Tolkien called the Noldor. According to the source material, the Noldor were the only elves who ever had a real friendship with dwarves, as in the quoted paragraph. The Noldor were also the elves most partial to things mechanical and artificial, so to speak, and to lives of action; virtually all of the elven heroes and heroines we see in Tolkien's work, except for Legolas, are of the Noldor. (Cf. Gunnr's self-introduction to Juniper in On The Road Again, where she explains that she's not into being a "fountain of obscure mystic wisdom".)

>
>>I further conjecture that Quenya and
>>Sindarin are either actual languages of ancient Alfheim/Vanaheim, or
>>else that Tolkien created fictional versions of those languages as
>>part of the great blind.
>
>Essentially, Quenya = Old Alvish and Sindarin = Modern Alvish
>(also-also known as Elvish, and very similar to the language spoken on
>most of Hyeruul, such that Corwin, who is fluent in Elvish, can
>understand most of what Umi's saying when she speaks in her native
>language in Knights 2).
>
Which buttresses my "fictional-version-language" theory, since Modern Alvish and Hyelian are, going by Umi's dialogue, completely unlike any human language to the extent that Tolkien may well have found it too difficult to transcribe accurately with just pen and paper, not, presumably, having more modern recording equipment to hand (we know that most people can't even pronounce Hyelian names properly, after all). It also suggests the possibility that there may have been emigration from Alfheim to Hyeruul in the distant past.

(EDIT - On the other hand, I just saw your reply to Offsides about "Mithrandir" being a Modern Alvish word, which means I may have to reconsider the above paragraph. Real-world Tolkien based Sindarin on Welsh, after all, which is a notoriously difficult language, and he didn't seem to have any problem with that.)


>>(Incidentially, UF-Tolkien would likely be eligible for Valhalla by
>>dint of his World War I service on the Western Front, so if anyone
>>with access to Asgard cared to, they could probably look him up and
>>ask him themselves.
>
>Oh, I'm not at all convinced that he's actually dead. He was a
>great friend of the Vanir and the various other peoples of Vanaheim
>and Alfheim, and traveled widely in the celestial realms during his
>lifetime; it's entirely possible that on one of his later journeys, he
>simply never returned to Midgard.

I like this theory better than my original one. After the death of his wife and his retirement from Oxford, he wouldn't have had any real reason to remain in Midgard, it seems to me, and I imagine it wouldn't have been too difficult for his friends to get permission from Odin.

>>If, that is, they could find him at home...I like
>>to think of him, if he ended up in Valhalla, still tramping the byways
>>of Alfheim and Vanaheim, walking staff in hand, collecting the legends
>>and tongues of those lands.)
>
>In Alfheim, unsurprisingly, they call him Mithrandir.
>
Very fitting!


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38. "RE: S5: Meet the Duelists II"
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   >It also suggests the possibility that there may have been
>emigration from Alfheim to Hyeruul in the distant past.

Hyeruul was almost certainly colonized by people from Alfheim at some point in the distant past - the proto-Hyelians were probably one of the wandering elvish tribes of the First Era. The planet's civilization is very much older than any of its near neighbors', there's considerable archæological evidence that the humanoid inhabitants didn't evolve there, and the architecture and language are strikingly similar. There are also true dragons on Hyeruul (though not many nowadays), and their forebears can only have come from Alfheim.

This has all gone quite far afield of "meeting the Duelists" at this point, but there's probably a place for continued exploration over in the UF General board.

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41. "RE: S5: Meet the Duelists II"
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   >Kardon Felz

>Lantar ib'Zalhir

To discuss someone other than Peregrine...

Are these two original characters, or is my Google-Fu Not So Good?


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42. "RE: S5: Meet the Duelists II"
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   >>Kardon Felz
>
>>Lantar ib'Zalhir
>
>To discuss someone other than Peregrine...

Yes, yes they are. And I'm sure they're glad that someone's finally noticed them. :)

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44. "RE: S5: Meet the Duelists II"
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   Greetings to all the other Cephiro Duelists that I might have unintentionally slighted in my enthusiasm over Ms. Took. :) I do have a general question, which goes back to events in S4, and applies to all the Duelists whether in Midgard or Cephiro. In Fulcrum of Fate episode 3, Yoda states that only Jedi who have passed the trials may take part in Rose Duels, which he identifies as being the primary custom of a newly-discovered sister order. First of all, I assume that the Jedi recognized the Order of the Rose as a sister order following the events of S4M7 (correct number?) though they, or at least Master Windu, may have been aware of them since at least 2406. That's somewhat beside the main point, though, which is this; am I correct to assume that all the Duelists, no matter where they are, have at least some form of Force-sensitivity? Utena, the Grand Duelist, has a degree of Force-sensitivity powerful enough that she could become a padawan if she were interested (which she's not). However, that goes back to what Yoda says, and very firmly so; only full-fledged Jedi may fight Rose Duels. It sounds as if the implication is that Duelists, at least several of them, have (undeveloped) Force talents equivalent to that of fully-qualified Jedi Knights. How badly wrong am I on this?

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45. "RE: S5: Meet the Duelists II"
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   >It sounds as if the
>implication is that Duelists, at least several of them, have
>(undeveloped) Force talents equivalent to that of fully-qualified Jedi
>Knights.

Not necessarily. Remember, Duelists don't do their thing with weapons that can dismember a human being without any effort whatsoever by the wielder - Jedi do. There's potential for accidental injury, possibly grievous accidental injury, in a rose duel with live steel, but the danger involved in a rose duel with lightsabers is an order of magnitude greater. It's just not something the Jedi Masters want padawans trying out for funsies.

That's not to say that there are no Duelists with such potential, just that it's not a requirement. There's overlap between the two traditions, but more in the sense of philosophy and moral standing.

(In a way, Duelists might even say that Jedi cheat a bit, channeling the Force to accomplish what a really committed Rose Duelist can do, on a good day, without it.)

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