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"GG Book 2 Act II: La Grande Rencontre"
 
   The full moon has arrived once more, and with it an opportunity for Gryphon to catch up with himself—but he's not the only resident of the Scarlet Mansion feeling a bit restless.

Act II: "La Grande Rencontre"

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1. "RE: GG Book 2 Act II: La Grande Rencontre"
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   > "Big bro's cooking tonight. Something called 'pizza'?
> I've never heard of it, but Meiling seems excited," she added with a grin.

Two questions unanswered: How good of a home pizza chef is G (especially without, one assumes, specialized equipment?)And are the Scarlet sisters right-thinking sentient beings who enjoy pizza, or heathens who deny its inarguable tastiness?

> " People don't accept creatures like us any more; they haven't for a long time.
> If we showed ourselves, they would only turn on us. They'd see us as no better
> than the Neuroi." She shook her head. "We're better off apart from them."

This was a curveball after the opening of the letter shown in the bit above the title. Well played.

> "Well. It appears Flandre's adolescence proceeds apace."

You know, I could've sworn Remilia just chided her sister for being 'deliberately obtuse'. Perhaps this is a side effect of her not having someone around to boldly challenge her in quite some time.
(It was a funny line, and I know she starts to see Flandre's actual point shortly afterward, but still.)

> "I should be back in a couple hours," he told her.
> "I just hope we don't get a sortie that night. Tonight. You know what I mean."

My own imperfect memory of the datestamps in the stories made me wonder if this temptation of fate would bite, and it very nearly did.

> "I know, little sister. I know. We'll figure it out. Just... be patient
> with me." Leaning back to catch her sister's eye, Remilia gave her a
> self-deprecating little smile. "I'm old now, and set in my ways."
> Flandre rolled her eyes. "You're only four hundred 'n forty-two."
> Remilia laughed and, hooking an arm around Flandre's shoulders, took her inside.

Well, at least they know how to move past the spats quickly. Lingering resentment can be a common symptom of being siblings sometimes, I should probably have more faith in the Scarlet sisters.

> Remilia nodded. "Yes. The weather is fine tonight; I should like to fly
> up to Ribeauvillé and see these witches of Benjamin's for myself."

Flandre isn't the only impulsive sister, at least once prodded a bit, I see.

> "You smell nice," Erica mumbled. "Roses and... candle smoke?
> Where've you been?"
> But they were both asleep before he could think of an answer.
> His closing thought for the day was,
> Shoot. We didn't think of that.

Probably a stroke of luck for G that Erica was apparently tired enough to not really recall not getting an answer the next morning.

> "Is it serious?"
> "Well, we're engaged, I suppose you could call that serious..."

Just don't call him Shirley, she's down the hall.

> Erica's eyes went wide. "You're engaged?!" she squeaked. "Why haven't you
> brought her here? We need to meet her! You can't get married without the
> approval of the whole wing! Those are the rules I just made up!"

This makes me wonder how well Flandre would get along with Erica, that could be dangerous.

> (Initial introduction of Remilia to the 501st witches in G's room not quoted for some semblance of brevity.)

That forum banter cleaned up rather nicely into an actual scene, and the witches' reactions to everything were deeply amusing to read. Though they handle it with a bit less boggle than I might have expected actually, I guess a side effect of the inherent oddity of their lives, and the inherent oddity of G's existence in their lives to boot.

I am somewhat surprised Trude didn't blush to the point of combustion by the end.

> Gryphon chuckled and finished tying his shoe. "Indeed. I'm even a count!"

I forgot about the (mostly honorary though with Kaiser Fritz who can tell) enobling G received until now. The question is, when Remilia was being dramatic about her own, did -he- forget, not want to tempt fate and possible vampiric irritation, or just save it as an ace in the hole in case of emergency?

> Her magical sensitivity to patterns of force and power, even operating at its
> subliminal out-of-combat level, was whispering to her that the tiny woman
> standing here laughing and bantering with her witches was a formidable
> presence, one who could be a powerful ally or an implacable enemy, and Minna
> would much prefer the former.

Is Minna the only witch likely to have mojo radar, or just the most sensitive?
Also, always a good idea to not poke the bear, especially when it seems happy. Though I don't think Remilia's temper is quite that Mercurial.

> Remilia gave her a serene smile and replied with perfect unconcern, "Yes,
> Major Schnaufer. I am a vampire."
> Heidemarie, her query short-circuited, blinked. "Ah."

This might tie into my previous question, or might just be keen observational skills, but how did Heidemarie know to ask?


> (Initial introduction of Remilia to the 501st witches in living room not quoted for some, rapidly failing, semblance of brevity.)

Watching Remilia work a room makes one see one possible source for tales of vampires having the ability to dominate minds and charm people into being dinner. No sense that any supernatural shenanigans were going on here, other than her existing, mind you, just I can see where a myth might be born.

Also, this group seems to take the whole 'vampires are real yo' thing even more in stride. The 501st are quite the resilient and flexible lot.

> As they approached, Remilia stopped and just... looked at it for a moment,
> then asked, "What is this?"

The sane and proper reaction of any decent being to the Belv.

> "Benjamin, mon amour, tu essaies de me faire peur à mort?!” Remilia demanded.

I speak no French, and didn't think to Google translate, but the writing in this scene left no doubt about the message being delivered here. Though it is amusing that an ageless, nearly immortal vampire would be terrified by riding in a Belv.

> Grinning, Gryphon withdrew the envelope Hannelore had given him from his
> jacket and handed her the heavier of the two papers in it, switching on the
> dome light as he did so (it only occurred to him later that she didn't need it).

And so the purpose of the earlier delivery is revealed. I had suspected this might be it based on the description, but wasn't sure since a lot of official type paperwork can be described in similar ways.

> "Monsieur, do you see these wings? They're not humorous."

I am sure there are situations where they might be, but saying so would be... unwise.
Also, how jaded of a public servant was that clerk? He didn't take it in stride precisely, but he air of 'seen it all' is quite potent.

> "Never fear, mon cheval," she said, tapping the sling bag again. "Sakuya has
> provided. And I find B-negative always goes well with bouillabaisse on a night
> like this.

A testament to G's willpower to not make some horse appropriate noise at that comment.
Sakuya will always provide if she is at all able, it's a law of the universe at this point.
So blood types have flavors, and we know illnesses can be tasted to some extent, is it a thing for vampires in UF to go the route of VtM kindred and snack on the inebriated if they are looking to partake of recreational pharmaceuticals? Seems like the Scarlets, at least, might not strictly need to, though they would need truly mythical quantities of whatever substance to get past their regeneration I'd guess.

> "Why did you leave it up to me if it wasn't up to me?"

Seems like the same deal as the question "what do you want for dinner?"

> They left the Belv parked near the end of the track leading up to the house.
> In absolute terms, it wouldn't be there long, since Gryphon's plan was to
> come back out on the next full moon and repeat the looping process—and so,
> thanks to the good offices of The World, his one-month-older self would
> appear shortly after this point and drive the car back to Ribeauvillé,
> appearing to his wingmates as if he'd just returned from his date.

It's very good that G doesn't age, if keeps this up he'll be many years older than himself.
Also, given all the commentary about how fraught this maneuver is, repeating it, and seemingly planning to do so more often, seems like a bit of tempting fate. But I may just be paranoid due to other authors, and, you know, real life.


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2. "RE: GG Book 2 Act II: La Grande Rencontre"
In response to message #1
 
   >> "Big bro's cooking tonight. Something called 'pizza'?
>> I've never heard of it, but Meiling seems excited," she added with a grin.
>
>Two questions unanswered: How good of a home pizza chef is G
>(especially without, one assumes, specialized equipment?)And are the
>Scarlet sisters right-thinking sentient beings who enjoy pizza, or
>heathens who deny its inarguable tastiness?
>

Assuming pizza followed the same course in this universe that it did in ours, it's possible that they've never eaten pizza like Gryphon's making.

Wikipedia: "...until the late 19th or early 20th century, the dish was sweet, not savory..."

>> Gryphon chuckled and finished tying his shoe. "Indeed. I'm even a count!"
>
>I forgot about the (mostly honorary though with Kaiser Fritz who can
>tell) ennobling G received until now. The question is, when Remilia was
>being dramatic about her own, did -he- forget, not want to tempt fate
>and possible vampiric irritation, or just save it as an ace in the
>hole in case of emergency?
>

I just checked the date stamps. He arrived at Maison Écarlate two days before the Kaiser signed off on Gryphon's ennoblement, and Gryph didn't find out for a while after that, because snail mail.

>> Her magical sensitivity to patterns of force and power, even operating at its
>> subliminal out-of-combat level, was whispering to her that the tiny woman
>> standing here laughing and bantering with her witches was a formidable
>> presence, one who could be a powerful ally or an implacable enemy, and Minna
>> would much prefer the former.
>
>Is Minna the only witch likely to have mojo radar, or just the most
>sensitive?
>Also, always a good idea to not poke the bear, especially when it
>seems happy. Though I don't think Remilia's temper is quite that
>Mercurial.
>

It seems logical to spread that specialty around, so there's probably other witches with her specialty of enhanced situational awareness in other Joint Fighter Wings. Whether or not there's enough is probably impossible to answer.

>
>Also, given all the commentary about how fraught this maneuver is,
>repeating it, and seemingly planning to do so more often, seems like a
>bit of tempting fate. But I may just be paranoid due to other authors,
>and, you know, real life.
>

Well, he is working on it. I suspect that Gryphon's idea of best results is finding somebody who can figure out how to undo whatever's been done to Maison Écarlate so he doesn't have to loop himself in order to get a night with Remilia. He probably sent out letters seeking specialists on that first thing, but with speeds being limited as they are, it'd probably take two or three months to get somebody in the area, especially since long-term temporal displacement and the removal thereof is not a combat specialty.

On the bright side, it's already been two months...

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5. "RE: GG Book 2 Act II: La Grande Rencontre"
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   >Assuming pizza followed the same course in this universe that it did
>in ours, it's possible that they've never eaten pizza like Gryphon's
>making.
>
>Wikipedia: "...until the late 19th or early 20th century, the dish was
>sweet, not savory..."
>

Flandre hadn't even heard of it, so I had figured that hadn't tasted it beforehand, I was curious what the reactions were after. Reactions to the unfamiliar seem to be a strong thread in these recent stories, and I have been enjoying them, so I'm always curious for ones that happened off to the side.

>I just checked the date stamps. He arrived at Maison Écarlate two
>days before the Kaiser signed off on Gryphon's ennoblement, and Gryph
>didn't find out for a while after that, because snail mail.
>

Ah, well that explains it, and I bow to your superior skill/tolerance for that sort of research. Time travel, it seems, is a source of confusion even for the audience.

>It seems logical to spread that specialty around, so there's probably
>other witches with her specialty of enhanced situational awareness in
>other Joint Fighter Wings. Whether or not there's enough is probably
>impossible to answer.
>

If it can be taught, yes, though my impression is that a lot of the magic witches are using is, if not innate, at least highly specific except for a few basics. Though that might be due more to the wartime footing and lack of advanced sorcerous education.

>Well, he is working on it. I suspect that Gryphon's idea of best
>results is finding somebody who can figure out how to undo whatever's
>been done to Maison Écarlate so he doesn't have to loop himself in
>order to get a night with Remilia. He probably sent out letters
>seeking specialists on that first thing, but with speeds being limited
>as they are, it'd probably take two or three months to get somebody in
>the area, especially since long-term temporal displacement and the
>removal thereof is not a combat specialty.
>
>On the bright side, it's already been two months...
>

That was what I had taken to be the long term plan as well, and I can understand the motivation, he's just had to spend two months apart after all so one night of time would almost seem like a tease. I guess I was just surprised at the decision to do repeated loops in the mean time since the characters with experience with such activities were so concerned about even doing it once.


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7. "RE: GG Book 2 Act II: La Grande Rencontre"
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>>It seems logical to spread that specialty around, so there's probably
>>other witches with her specialty of enhanced situational awareness in
>>other Joint Fighter Wings. Whether or not there's enough is probably
>>impossible to answer.
>>
>
>If it can be taught, yes, though my impression is that a lot of the
>magic witches are using is, if not innate, at least highly specific
>except for a few basics. Though that might be due more to the wartime
>footing and lack of advanced sorcerous education.
>

I meant more, "We have two people with this skill, it's better to assign them to different wings," than "Teach other people this skill."

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   >Two questions unanswered: How good of a home pizza chef is G
>(especially without, one assumes, specialized equipment?)

Pretty good, if I do say so myself. Specialized equipment's not particularly required, as far as I'm concerned; he's probably just baking them in cast-iron frying pans. That's how I do it in real life.

>And are the
>Scarlet sisters right-thinking sentient beings who enjoy pizza, or
>heathens who deny its inarguable tastiness?

Flandre thinks it's the bee's knees. Remilia thinks it's a bit unrefined, but tasty—but then, that's Liberion food for you. :)

>> " People don't accept creatures like us any more; they haven't for a long time.
>> If we showed ourselves, they would only turn on us. They'd see us as no better
>> than the Neuroi." She shook her head. "We're better off apart from them."
>
>This was a curveball after the opening of the letter shown in the bit
>above the title. Well played.

Well, she wrote it, but she hadn't decided whether to send it yet. Most of the middle of this act is about her making that decision; even when she took the letter with her, she hadn't decided whether she would actually mail it.

(We'll get to see what was in it soon.)

>> "Well. It appears Flandre's adolescence proceeds apace."
>
>You know, I could've sworn Remilia just chided her sister for being
>'deliberately obtuse'. Perhaps this is a side effect of her not having
>someone around to boldly challenge her in quite some time.

That, and it's a way of trying to save a little bit of face in the aftermath of having been chewed out by her little sister in front of the rest of the household. Remilia's pretty level-headed, but she's not good at processing embarrassment, and it was made all the worse in this case because she knew Flan was mostly right.

>(It was a funny line, and I know she starts to see Flandre's actual
>point shortly afterward, but still.)

I like to think she saw it at the time, it just took her a little while to acknowledge it out loud.

>> "I know, little sister. I know. We'll figure it out. Just... be patient
>> with me." Leaning back to catch her sister's eye, Remilia gave her a
>> self-deprecating little smile. "I'm old now, and set in my ways."
>
>Well, at least they know how to move past the spats quickly. Lingering
>resentment can be a common symptom of being siblings sometimes, I
>should probably have more faith in the Scarlet sisters.

This was the first proper fight (as opposed to clashes between crazy person and caretaker) they've had since 1520, and I think it shocked them both—made them realize they don't want their relationship to be that.

>> Remilia nodded. "Yes. The weather is fine tonight; I should like to fly
>> up to Ribeauvillé and see these witches of Benjamin's for myself."
>
>Flandre isn't the only impulsive sister, at least once prodded a bit,
>I see.

Nope. :)

(If you cornered Remilia about that, she'd blame the full moon. And she'd have a point, it does tend to make every aspect of her personality a bit... bigger.)

>> "You smell nice," Erica mumbled. "Roses and... candle smoke?
>> Where've you been?"
>
>Probably a stroke of luck for G that Erica was apparently tired enough
>to not really recall not getting an answer the next morning.

Yeah, he'd have had a hard time coming up with a plausible answer. The obvious one, that it was from the place where he waited for Shirley, wouldn't hold because she saw him waiting outdoors. :)

>> Erica's eyes went wide. "You're engaged?!" she squeaked. "Why haven't you
>> brought her here? We need to meet her! You can't get married without the
>> approval of the whole wing! Those are the rules I just made up!"
>
>This makes me wonder how well Flandre would get along with Erica, that
>could be dangerous.

Yeah, I'm really looking forward to Flan interacting with the crew. I've already written one such scene, and it's burning a hole in my drafts folder now.

(Also, that Erica line is one of my favorites. :)

>That forum banter cleaned up rather nicely into an actual scene, and
>the witches' reactions to everything were deeply amusing to read.
>Though they handle it with a bit less boggle than I might have
>expected actually, I guess a side effect of the inherent oddity of
>their lives, and the inherent oddity of G's existence in their lives
>to boot.

Yeah, they've seen some shit. When you spend your days using magic powers and advanced technology to fight alien robot monsters, your WTF threshold moves. (Also, they're all still pretty tired from the day before, which takes the edge off their reactions a little.)

>I am somewhat surprised Trude didn't blush to the point of combustion
>by the end.

I suspect she was when she uttered the third and final "Hartmann—!", but she was off-camera by then. :)

>> Gryphon chuckled and finished tying his shoe. "Indeed. I'm even a count!"
>
>I forgot about the (mostly honorary though with Kaiser Fritz who can
>tell) enobling G received until now. The question is, when Remilia was
>being dramatic about her own, did -he- forget, not want to tempt fate
>and possible vampiric irritation, or just save it as an ace in the
>hole in case of emergency?

Heheh, didn't have it yet in TTW. That decree came a couple days after he got back to St-Ulrich from his first spell at SDM. Time travel!

>Is Minna the only witch likely to have mojo radar, or just the most
>sensitive?

Quite a few witches have at least a rudimentary threat assessment sense, particularly veterans like the 501st, but Minna's is the most sensitive by a long stretch, since it ties directly into her magical specialty. The others have to concentrate to get a read on something like that; hers is always on, at a low level. Although, that said, Mio would probably have seen something surprising if she'd thought to take a look at Remi with her witch eye, too.

>Also, always a good idea to not poke the bear, especially when it
>seems happy. Though I don't think Remilia's temper is quite that
>Mercurial.

It isn't, and she wouldn't have done anything violent even if they had somehow managed to actually offend her, but still, you don't want to be getting off on the wrong foot.

>> Remilia gave her a serene smile and replied with perfect unconcern, "Yes,
>> Major Schnaufer. I am a vampire."
>> Heidemarie, her query short-circuited, blinked. "Ah."
>
>This might tie into my previous question, or might just be keen
>observational skills, but how did Heidemarie know to ask?

Having been tagged with the "vampire" label for most of her life, Heidemarie's read a lot more of the lore on the subject than most people of her era. She thought they were extinct, but she at least knew they used to be real. As such, she picked up on clues the others missed. One example is the fact that bat familiar witches' wings don't manifest that way, which Francie Whittle also noticed because she's obsessed with propulsion and maneuver magic, but she didn't know what the alternative interpretation was.

TLDR: If anybody in that room was going to spot an actual vampire without being told, it was going to be Heidemarie W. "The Vampire" Schnaufer. :)

>> (Initial introduction of Remilia to the 501st witches in living room not quoted for some, rapidly failing, semblance of brevity.)

Semblance of brevity?! Who needs that?

>Watching Remilia work a room makes one see one possible source for
>tales of vampires having the ability to dominate minds and charm
>people into being dinner. No sense that any supernatural shenanigans
>were going on here, other than her existing, mind you, just I can see
>where a myth might be born.

Yep!

She probably does have a Charisma modifier on, because of the full moon, although not on a "supernatural mind control" level—just that she's feeling good and it's got her especially on her game.

>Also, this group seems to take the whole 'vampires are real yo' thing
>even more in stride. The 501st are quite the resilient and flexible
>lot.

I grappled with that bit a little, thinking it might be going a little too smoothly, but ultimately I figured y'know, "no what that's impossible" has been done to death. What if they just... rolled with it?

(Also, Francie's reaction in particular is kind of a callback to her learning that the rocket man is real, which just happened a few days before. When it comes to this castle, is there anything that can't happen here? :)

What I'm taking away from this is that I needed to narrate these parts a bit better, which is totally fair. I had a lot of pieces on the board (and I totally missed out Witolda Urbanowicz and Wojtek! They must already have been asleep).

>> "Benjamin, mon amour, tu essaies de me faire peur à mort?!” Remilia demanded.
>
>I speak no French, and didn't think to Google translate, but the
>writing in this scene left no doubt about the message being delivered
>here.

It's in the annotations, but for the record, "Benjamin, my love, are you trying to scare me to death?!" (Geoff provided this line. :)

>Though it is amusing that an ageless, nearly immortal vampire
>would be terrified by riding in a Belv.

Ah, but it's not just any Belv. It's the Super Belv. The most powerful Belv... in the world.

(Also, the danger you don't fully understand is always scarier than the danger you do.)

>> "Monsieur, do you see these wings? They're not humorous."
>
>I am sure there are situations where they might be, but saying so
>would be... unwise.

Well, yes, I mean, if she were trying to climb through a small window and they got hung up on the jamb, that would be funny, but only a fool would say so.

>Also, how jaded of a public servant was that clerk? He didn't take it
>in stride precisely, but he air of 'seen it all' is quite potent.

The French (or Gallian) civil servant is a unique breed, the Alsatian doubly so. :) Also, this guy is worn the heck out. It's 10:30 on a Friday night and he's still at work, because somebody decided to close the office for a party that afternoon, but the same amount of work still needed to get done. He probably thinks he's hallucinating.

(Also also, he's Gallian in 1946 and he was at an office party that afternoon, so he's probably a bit drunk.)

>A testament to G's willpower to not make some horse appropriate noise
>at that comment.

Please. He has some dignity. In public. Usually.

(If it had been Flan saying that, he probably would have.)

>So blood types have flavors, and we know illnesses can be tasted to
>some extent, is it a thing for vampires in UF to go the route of VtM
>kindred and snack on the inebriated if they are looking to partake of
>recreational pharmaceuticals?

Some do, some don't. It's not particularly effective if what they're after is the same effect that the original user is experiencing—too dilute, and their own physiology is too resilient. It does change the bouquet somewhat, though. Sort of like terroir in wine. :)

(As to the blood types thing, I'm not sure if it's in the games somewhere or just a very consistently adopted fanon thing, but I've seen numerous sources claiming that Remilia prefers type B, while A is Flandre's favorite. In that case, she's in luck, because she got around a gallon of it back in TTW Act VI. :)

>Seems like the Scarlets, at least, might
>not strictly need to, though they would need truly mythical quantities
>of whatever substance to get past their regeneration I'd guess.

Yeah, anyone with enough stuff in their system to affect either of the Scarlets secondhand would have been killed by it, and they don't do carrion. :)

>It's very good that G doesn't age, if keeps this up he'll be many
>years older than himself.

Well, he'd have to keep it up for some time to start showing a cumulative effect; it's a solid two-to-one ratio. But yes, whenever you're shenaniganing with time, it helps to be more or less immunized to it yourself.

(This is also a consideration for Sakuya, since her own timestream keeps running when The World has the continuum around her paused. Or, well, technically her personal timestream is accelerated to such a degree that the continuum around her appeears to have stopped. Either way you look at it, by rights that should have the side effect of aging her much faster than her surroundings, given how much she uses that trick. The fact that, on the contrary, she doesn't seem to age at all is... suggestive.)

>Also, given all the commentary about how fraught this maneuver is,
>repeating it, and seemingly planning to do so more often, seems like a
>bit of tempting fate. But I may just be paranoid due to other authors,
>and, you know, real life.

Well, they know it's something they need to be cautious about. And exactly how often he'll be doing it is still kind of up in the air. Theoretically he could do it monthly; it would be more work, but easier to keep track of things, since he'd just be resetting each full moon. On the other hand, letting it ride for two or three months and then doubling back is less faff, but means a longer "walk" to get back to SDM. Six of one...

(My meta-problem now is that I've "caught up" to the main OWaW timeline, so his SDM time is no longer in the "past".)

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6. "RE: GG Book 2 Act II: La Grande Rencontre"
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   >Pretty good, if I do say so myself. Specialized equipment's not
>particularly required, as far as I'm concerned; he's probably just
>baking them in cast-iron frying pans. That's how I do it in real
>life.
>

I've never seen a home pizza get the cheese to quite the right consistency and ever so mild singe level, but I may just be picky. In any case, as is often said even bad pizza is still pretty good (in most cases, I'm sure there are horrors out there I don't need to be aware of.) The cast iron pan seems like it'd be very good for good crust.

>Flandre thinks it's the bee's knees. Remilia thinks it's a bit
>unrefined, but tasty—but then, that's Liberion food for you. :)
>

Sometimes unrefined things are the tastiest, at least in proper context. A county fair, for example.

>(We'll get to see what was in it soon.)
>

That itch will be scratched, and at least hints that we'll get to see more people reacting to what would appear to be insanity at first blush (at least I'm guessing that if Remilia was willing to lay out her age and at least partially her nature to the clerk, she'd be at least as forthcoming to a head of state.)

>That, and it's a way of trying to save a little bit of face in the
>aftermath of having been chewed out by her little sister in front of
>the rest of the household. Remilia's pretty level-headed, but she's
>not good at processing embarrassment, and it was made all the worse in
>this case because she knew Flan was mostly right.
>

The interesting thing to me is that delivered differently that line might well have caused laughter, especially for anyone who has been present for one or more rounds of adolescence in others since exiting their own.

>Nope. :)
>
>(If you cornered Remilia about that, she'd blame the full moon. And
>she'd have a point, it does tend to make every aspect of her
>personality a bit... bigger.)
>

Since she was asleep when they returned, I am left to wonder if Remilia told Flandre about her excursion off screen, or if there will be at least a bit of good natured "oh, you didn't want me to go, but you can? I am definitely going with next time."

>Yeah, I'm really looking forward to Flan interacting with the crew.
>I've already written one such scene, and it's burning a hole in my
>drafts folder now.
>

If Minna's awareness ping hard on Remilia, she might actually be a bit afraid of Flandre (at least internally.)

>(Also, that Erica line is one of my favorites. :)
>

I hadn't really even thought about the 501st crew in ages, but that one line does an excellent job of reintroducing a character and setting 'this is who this is' expectations.

>Yeah, they've seen some shit. When you spend your days using magic
>powers and advanced technology to fight alien robot monsters, your WTF
>threshold moves. (Also, they're all still pretty tired from the day
>before, which takes the edge off their reactions a little.)
>

Also helped potentially by being told, if only moments before, that G's intended was in fact a vampire, then watching her fly into the room.
I wonder, does she have some 6th sense for finding him now, or did she just circle the building stealthily until she spotted him?

>Heheh, didn't have it yet in TTW. That decree came a couple days
>after he got back to St-Ulrich from his first spell at SDM. Time
>travel!
>

Yeah, I goofed, and was set straight on this. In my defense, time travel. Especially time travel involving loops. Austin Powers said it best, "oh no, I've gone cross-eyed."

>Quite a few witches have at least a rudimentary threat assessment
>sense, particularly veterans like the 501st, but Minna's is the most
>sensitive by a long stretch, since it ties directly into her magical
>specialty. The others have to concentrate to get a read on something
>like that; hers is always on, at a low level. Although, that said,
>Mio would probably have seen something surprising if she'd thought to
>take a look at Remi with her witch eye, too.
>

Makes me think of a scene in the Dresden Files novels where the titular character uses his mage sight on the faerie queens, and instantly regrets it.

>Having been tagged with the "vampire" label for most of her life,
>Heidemarie's read a lot more of the lore on the subject than most
>people of her era. She thought they were extinct, but she at least
>knew they used to be real. As such, she picked up on clues the
>others missed. One example is the fact that bat familiar witches'
>wings don't manifest that way, which Francie Whittle also noticed
>because she's obsessed with propulsion and maneuver magic, but she
>didn't know what the alternative interpretation was.
>
>TLDR: If anybody in that room was going to spot an actual vampire
>without being told, it was going to be Heidemarie W. "The Vampire"
>Schnaufer. :)
>

Fair enough. Interesting that enough evidence remained after whatever purges took place to prove, or at least strongly indicate, that vampires had been real. The revolution, it seems, was not as thorough as they were bloodthirsty.

>Semblance of brevity?! Who needs that?
>

I hadn't been in the habit of play-by-play style commentary before, but this series has led to me being... verbose. Possibly the audience side of the odd-but-good-vibe coin you've mentioned surrounding this.

>Yep!
>
>She probably does have a Charisma modifier on, because of the full
>moon, although not on a "supernatural mind control" level—just that
>she's feeling good and it's got her especially on her game.
>

I suspect several folks in universe would say, if not in the exact terms, that she always has a pretty significant Charisma modifier, but point taken about the moon providing a bit more. If nothing else, confidence that doesn't cross into cockiness always wears well.

>I grappled with that bit a little, thinking it might be going a little
>too smoothly, but ultimately I figured y'know, "no what that's
>impossible" has been done to death. What if they just...
>rolled with it?
>
>(Also, Francie's reaction in particular is kind of a callback to her
>learning that the rocket man is real, which just happened a few days
>before. When it comes to this castle, is there anything that
>can't happen here? :)
>
>What I'm taking away from this is that I needed to narrate these parts
>a bit better, which is totally fair. I had a lot of pieces on the
>board (and I totally missed out Witolda Urbanowicz and Wojtek! They
>must already have been asleep).
>

It might have just been the contrast to the first introduction, group 3 definitely felt much more Zen. It wasn't meant as criticism as much as musing, though I guess it is a question of whether or not the intent was to portray the witches as a whole as a group who have reached the level of 'well, now that's a thing that happened/exists' before carrying on mostly unperturbed when the improbable shows up.

>Well, yes, I mean, if she were trying to climb through a small window
>and they got hung up on the jamb, that would be funny, but only a fool
>would say so.
>

Might not have to be a fool, might just have to be willing (and able) to absorb the logical consequences. If one were very lucky, I'd think Remilia might actually find it funny as well, but only if no one else could see, and getting through the window was not urgent.

>The French (or Gallian) civil servant is a unique breed, the Alsatian
>doubly so. :) Also, this guy is worn the heck out. It's 10:30 on a
>Friday night and he's still at work, because somebody decided
>to close the office for a party that afternoon, but the same amount of
>work still needed to get done. He probably thinks he's hallucinating.
>
>(Also also, he's Gallian in 1946 and he was at an office party that
>afternoon, so he's probably a bit drunk.)
>

That might also feed into the suspicion of hallucination, especially if he had any absinthe.

>Please. He has some dignity. In public. Usually.
>
>(If it had been Flan saying that, he probably would have.)
>

And she would have laughed, so that would be another successful mission well executed.

>(As to the blood types thing, I'm not sure if it's in the games
>somewhere or just a very consistently adopted fanon thing, but I've
>seen numerous sources claiming that Remilia prefers type B, while A is
>Flandre's favorite. In that case, she's in luck, because she got
>around a gallon of it back in TTW Act VI. :)
>

The reactions all around if Flandre herself were to ever comment something like "I couldn't just let you wander off, you're my favorite flavor" would be something.

>(This is also a consideration for Sakuya, since her own timestream
>keeps running when The World has the continuum around her paused. Or,
>well, technically her personal timestream is accelerated to such a
>degree that the continuum around her appeears to have stopped. Either
>way you look at it, by rights that should have the side effect of
>aging her much faster than her surroundings, given how much she uses
>that trick. The fact that, on the contrary, she doesn't seem to age
>at all is... suggestive.)
>

Hmm, this reveal gets a bit more buildup again. Looking forward to more of the Maid of Blades.

>(My meta-problem now is that I've "caught up" to the main OWaW
>timeline, so his SDM time is no longer in the "past".)
>

I don't envy you that particular headache.


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8. "RE: GG Book 2 Act II: La Grande Rencontre"
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   >The cast iron pan seems like it'd be very good for good
>crust.

It's superb. From much trial and error, the trick seems to be: once you take it out of the oven, leave it in the pan until the cheese stops bubbling.

>Since she was asleep when they returned, I am left to wonder if
>Remilia told Flandre about her excursion off screen, or if there will
>be at least a bit of good natured "oh, you didn't want me to go, but
>you can? I am definitely going with next time."

She only told Sakuya where she was going, although presumably Sakuya informed Meiling and Flandre when they noticed Remilia wasn't there for lunch. And I'm sure Flandre had a bit of a huff about it, if only to amuse Meiling. :)

We will soon see the Scarlets revisiting the whole matter of who leaves the grounds and when, which is another scene I'm looking forward to a lot.

>If Minna's awareness ping hard on Remilia, she might actually be a bit
>afraid of Flandre (at least internally.)

It could go either way. Her signature could show up as an extreme potential threat, or so unlike anything Minna's ever seen before that it's just the witch sensing equivalent of a blank spot on the screen and a little graphic that says [NO DATA].

>>(Also, that Erica line is one of my favorites. :)
>
>I hadn't really even thought about the 501st crew in ages, but that
>one line does an excellent job of reintroducing a character and
>setting 'this is who this is' expectations.

When I dropped it in a Twitter DM to BZA without attribution, her immediate response was, "Hahaha! Is that Erica or Lucchini?" And to be fair, it could also be Lucchini, but she was in sickbay at the time. :)

>Also helped potentially by being told, if only moments before, that
>G's intended was in fact a vampire, then watching her fly into the
>room.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure Trude thought he was being sarcastic until she noticed the person standing outside the window. (Outside which there is a sheer drop not just from the second floor of the castle, but down the cliff on which the castle is built. And while you're picturing that, think about this. Shortly before her appearance in OWaW episode 10, Wilma climbed up that wall. :)

>I wonder, does she have some 6th sense for finding him now, or did she
>just circle the building stealthily until she spotted him?

She would wish the former to be believed, but no, it was in fact simply good old-fashioned looking in windows. :)

(The former could actually be arranged, but there's a thing they'd have to do that they haven't done. At least not yet.)

>Yeah, I goofed, and was set straight on this. In my defense, time
>travel. Especially time travel involving loops. Austin Powers said it
>best, "oh no, I've gone cross-eyed."

Oh, no worries. I've confused myself repeatedly while writing the dang thing. In fact, it's just occurred to me that there's at least one small continuity blunder in this very episode: Erica put up that signup sheet on the door some time before the narration in this ep says she did. (I suppose we could apply the Marvel No-Prize rubric and say that the narration only means she put up a fresh copy. After all, it's not a whiteboard, when it fills up it has to be replaced. :)

>>TLDR: If anybody in that room was going to spot an actual vampire
>>without being told, it was going to be Heidemarie W. "The Vampire"
>>Schnaufer. :)
>
>Fair enough. Interesting that enough evidence remained after whatever
>purges took place to prove, or at least strongly indicate, that
>vampires had been real. The revolution, it seems, was not as thorough
>as they were bloodthirsty.

In Gallia, the purge was pretty thorough, but not complete, because the Committee for Public Safety was itself purged before they could get absolutely every record. It was still broadly effective in terms of what the general public in modern Gallia believes, but there are bits and pieces here and there still. In Karlsland, the similar efforts undertaken in 1870, during the Second Reich's unification under Wilhelm I and Bismarck, were... uneven, but more successful in the west, farther away from European vampires' ancestral heartland. If Heidemarie were Prussian, she'd have had an easier time finding the sources she consulted, but even in Württemberg, where she comes from, there was enough around for her to put together a pretty complete picture. But it's the kind of thing a person would have to have a bit of an obsession with and do a lot of digging to find out about.

It just occurred to me, as I was typing that, that she and Flandre have unusual grounds for bonding. Heidemarie spent her childhood stuck in a basement too, not because she was a Danger to Herself and Others, but because her magical night vision made her so light-sensitive that if she'd gone outside during the day, or even looked out windows on a regular basis, before she learned to control it, she'd have gone blind. (That's canonically why she wears glasses: because her eyesight was damaged by daylight exposure in childhood, when her parents didn't realize what the problem was soon enough.) And, like Flandre, while she was down there she had plenty of time for reading.

(She probably remembers more of the books she read than Flan does, admittedly.)

>It might have just been the contrast to the first introduction, group
>3 definitely felt much more Zen. It wasn't meant as criticism as much
>as musing, though I guess it is a question of whether or not the
>intent was to portray the witches as a whole as a group who have
>reached the level of 'well, now that's a thing that happened/exists'
>before carrying on mostly unperturbed when the improbable shows up.

Pretty much this—and the fact that the last group we saw were the most relaxed anyway, because they were on downtime and not involved in the prep for Operation Hammer. And one of them was Eila, who plays her cards close to the vest, while another was Shizuka, who isn't as forceful as Mio but is similarly as pragmatic as a bag of nails. :)

Speaking of cards, I suspect immediately after that scene, Eila retired to her room and ran off a whole bunch of Tarot readings. And got The High Priestess and The World a lot. :)

>>Well, yes, I mean, if she were trying to climb through a small window
>>and they got hung up on the jamb, that would be funny, but only a fool
>>would say so.
>
>Might not have to be a fool, might just have to be willing (and able)
>to absorb the logical consequences. If one were very lucky, I'd think
>Remilia might actually find it funny as well, but only if no one else
>could see, and getting through the window was not urgent.

True, it depends on the circumstances. She still wouldn't see the funny side while she was actually in the window, but possibly immediately thereafter. :)

>>(Also also, he's Gallian in 1946 and he was at an office party that
>>afternoon, so he's probably a bit drunk.)
>
>That might also feed into the suspicion of hallucination, especially
>if he had any absinthe.

The Green Fairy, she is a harsh mistress.

>The reactions all around if Flandre herself were to ever comment
>something like "I couldn't just let you wander off, you're my favorite
>flavor" would be something.

She spends a good bit of her time revolving the "just my type" joke in her head, but she can't... quite... get it to a punch line yet. :)

>Hmm, this reveal gets a bit more buildup again. Looking forward to
>more of the Maid of Blades.

Heh, that's like the kind of nickname she would have had in the '60s and '70s if she were an American comics character. Especially DC, all their guys had like five names back then. :)

Someone in the original "so I ran across this interesting character" thread about Touhou over on Source Material described her as Remilia's "vorpal maid," which is a phrase that takes some beating. (Apologies if that was you, I can't be arsed to go look it up at 2:30 in the morning. :)

>>(My meta-problem now is that I've "caught up" to the main OWaW
>>timeline, so his SDM time is no longer in the "past".)
>
>I don't envy you that particular headache.

Oh, I have a plan (for once), but I also have a bunch of things to establish first.

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9. "RE: GG Book 2 Act II: La Grande Rencontre"
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   >It's superb. From much trial and error, the trick seems to be: once
>you take it out of the oven, leave it in the pan until the cheese
>stops bubbling.
>

Since a pan/skillet is involved, is this for deep dish use only, or will it serve for thinner crusts? (I know this is getting a bit far afield, I just want to take some advantage of experience having run across someone with it.)

>It could go either way. Her signature could show up as an extreme
>potential threat, or so unlike anything Minna's ever seen before that
>it's just the witch sensing equivalent of a blank spot on the screen
>and a little graphic that says [NO DATA].
>

Under the circumstances, one might interpret 'No Data' as translating to 'oh shit.' Now I'm hoping for an encounter that answers this bit of curosity (I expect Flandre and Minna will cross paths eventually, so this should only require patience, but that's never been a strong suit of the EPU fandom. Though I think we have, on average, gotten better over the years.)

>When I dropped it in a Twitter DM to BZA without attribution, her
>immediate response was, "Hahaha! Is that Erica or Lucchini?" And to
>be fair, it could also be Lucchini, but she was in sickbay at
>the time. :)
>

If she had been present, she probably would have seconded Erica's motion regarding marriage requirements.

>(The former could actually be arranged, but there's a thing they'd
>have to do that they haven't done. At least not yet.)
>

Well, there's some speculation fodder. I can think of a few of front runners, from the stereotypically vampiric, to the lewd, to the almost mundanely mystical. I can rule out one of my suspects if Flandre does currently possess an ability to sense where G is (time bubble notwithstanding I'd imagine.)

>Oh, no worries. I've confused myself repeatedly while writing the
>dang thing. In fact, it's just occurred to me that there's at least
>one small continuity blunder in this very episode: Erica put up that
>signup sheet on the door some time before the narration in this ep
>says she did. (I suppose we could apply the Marvel No-Prize rubric
>and say that the narration only means she put up a fresh copy. After
>all, it's not a whiteboard, when it fills up it has to be replaced. :)
>

Is it a No-Prize if it comes from staff, or just a mild not-quite-retcon?

>It just occurred to me, as I was typing that, that she and Flandre
>have unusual grounds for bonding. Heidemarie spent her childhood
>stuck in a basement too, not because she was a Danger to Herself and
>Others, but because her magical night vision made her so
>light-sensitive that if she'd gone outside during the day, or even
>looked out windows on a regular basis, before she learned to control
>it, she'd have gone blind. (That's canonically why she wears glasses:
>because her eyesight was damaged by daylight exposure in childhood,
>when her parents didn't realize what the problem was soon enough.)
>And, like Flandre, while she was down there she had plenty of time for
>reading.
>
>(She probably remembers more of the books she read than Flan does,
>admittedly.)
>

Team Basement Dweller... nah, the initials could have some humor value, but that just seems like all the wrong connotations. But someone might at least chuckle so I'll leave this mark of my not quite right thought processes here.

>Pretty much this—and the fact that the last group we saw were
>the most relaxed anyway, because they were on downtime and not
>involved in the prep for Operation Hammer. And one of them was Eila,
>who plays her cards close to the vest, while another was Shizuka, who
>isn't as forceful as Mio but is similarly as pragmatic as a bag of
>nails. :)
>

Did Mio even notice Remilia's nature, it didn't seem like it. Certainly if she did, she clearly didn't much care. Though out of all the witches she's probably the absolute most likely to go the path of 'if G is OK with it, why should I worry?'

>Speaking of cards, I suspect immediately after that scene, Eila
>retired to her room and ran off a whole bunch of Tarot
>readings. And got The High Priestess
> and The World a lot. :)
>

The second card would probably trigger various amused sounds from G and Remilia that Eila would entirely not comprehend. Interesting that both cards official (as much as Tarot can be said to have it) interpretations actually do seem fitting, above and beyond their winking reference value.

>She spends a good bit of her time revolving the "just my type" joke in
>her head, but she can't... quite... get it to a punch line yet. :)
>

Not without some blushing I expect. I'm sure she'll get it sorted out eventually.

>Heh, that's like the kind of nickname she would have had in the '60s
>and '70s if she were an American comics character. Especially DC, all
>their guys had like five names back then. :)
>

I read a lot of comics, including older comics from garage sales and flea markets, as a kid. It probably permanently warped my thinking. Plus it has pun potential, so how could it not slip out into the wild?

>Someone in the original "so I ran across this interesting character"
>thread about Touhou over on Source Material described her as Remilia's
>"vorpal maid," which is a phrase that takes some beating. (Apologies
>if that was you, I can't be arsed to go look it up at 2:30 in the
>morning. :)
>

I knew nothing of Touhou before this storyline came about, so that wasn't me. It does give me the mental image of one of the Scarlet sisters actually wielding Sakuya as a weapon and beheading someone with her.



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10. "RE: GG Book 2 Act II: La Grande Rencontre"
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>Since a pan/skillet is involved, is this for deep dish use only, or
>will it serve for thinner crusts?

Not only for deep dish, I usually do a regular "stretched dough"-type crust. I haven't tried it with anything that might be marketed as "thin 'n crispy", as that's not really my thing.

>(I expect Flandre and Minna will cross paths eventually, so
>this should only require patience, but that's never been a strong suit
>of the EPU fandom. Though I think we have, on average, gotten better
>over the years.)

Given the incredible variability of output over the last decade or so, those of you who are still here have had little choice, unfortunately. :/

>If she had been present, she probably would have seconded Erica's
>motion regarding marriage requirements.

Part of me is tempted to actually show the witches in council over this matter, but then I would have to entitle that episode "Failing the Bechdel Test" and I dunno if I need the tsuris. :)

(Well, OK, the Bechdel test stipulates that women in scenes must not only talk about men, not that they never can, but still.)

>Well, there's some speculation fodder. I can think of a few of front
>runners, from the stereotypically vampiric, to the lewd, to the almost
>mundanely mystical.

... to the Dutch. ;)

Anyway, I'll get to it, but for now I'll put your mind partly at ease and assure you that it isn't lewd. Well, not by any reasonably conventional standard of lewdness. Everything is lewd to someone...

>Did Mio even notice Remilia's nature, it didn't seem like it.
>Certainly if she did, she clearly didn't much care. Though out of all
>the witches she's probably the absolute most likely to go the path of
>'if G is OK with it, why should I worry?'

Yeah, Mio knows something is up, but she's not bothered. A, she reckons the boy has pretty good taste, and B, her own confidence level is such that she figures if there is a problem, she'll handle it.

>The second card would probably trigger various amused sounds from G
>and Remilia that Eila would entirely not comprehend. Interesting that
>both cards official (as much as Tarot can be said to have it)
>interpretations actually do seem fitting, above and beyond their
>winking reference value.

The thing about Eila's Tarot readings is that nobody else thinks they're accurate, and even Eila doesn't realize how they are a lot of the time, but they usually are.

>>She spends a good bit of her time revolving the "just my type" joke in
>>her head, but she can't... quite... get it to a punch line yet. :)
>
>Not without some blushing I expect. I'm sure she'll get it sorted out
>eventually.

These days, Flandre sometimes thinks that "I'll Get It Sorted Out Eventually" (possibly in a Latin translation) should be on her personal coat of arms, if she had one.

(Of potential interest, the actual motto on the Scarlet family's escutcheon is NON CEDERE - "we do not yield".)

>I knew nothing of Touhou before this storyline came about, so that
>wasn't me. It does give me the mental image of one of the Scarlet
>sisters actually wielding Sakuya as a weapon and beheading
>someone with her.

Heh. Well, three out of the four people she lives with are strong enough to deploy her in a Fastball Special, which might count. :)

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11. "RE: GG Book 2 Act II: La Grande Rencontre"
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>>Well, there's some speculation fodder. I can think of a few of front
>>runners, from the stereotypically vampiric, to the lewd, to the almost
>>mundanely mystical.
>
>... to the Dutch. ;)

Completely off-topic, but the linked song very vividly reminded me of an idle thought I had years ago about Jean-Jacques Ragulin (post-enbluesification) cutting a heavy blues-rock live album with The Art Of Noise. This would have been on the track list.

The album's name would've been Lors, Le Bruit Ici!, which is one of those bilingual referential puns that feels really clever if you are a faintly pretentious muso like Ragulin still kind of is. It roughly translates to "Man, It's Noisy In Here" (for those who don't have random bits of UF trivia poking them in the brain, the first Art Of Noise live album was called Man It's So Loud In Here), but it transliterates to "Man, The Noise Here!", which... well, they are.

I'm a dork. =]

Dragging this back on topic:-

>These days, Flandre sometimes thinks that "I'll Get It Sorted Out
>Eventually" (possibly in a Latin translation) should be on her
>personal coat of arms, if she had one.

The combined arms of the von Katadien-Scarlet house probably bears the motto "Suus Non In Annis, Suus Milia Passuum". For them as don't speak (mangled bastard Google Translate) Latin, that roughly translates to "It's Not The Years, It's The Mileage". =]

Per previous comment, I am and retain a dork. =]

---
"She's old, she's lame, she's barren too, // "She's not worth feed or hay, // "But I'll give her this," - he blew smoke at me - // "She was something in her day." -- Garnet Rogers, Small Victory

FiMFiction.net: we might accept blatant porn involving the cast of My Little Pony but as God is my witness we have standards.

"The von Katadien insignia is smaller and less prominent than that of House Scarlet," said Remilia as she looked up from her drawing table, "but we won't hold it against you, mon fidèle coursier. The weather of late has been so frightfully cold."


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13. "RE: GG Book 2 Act II: La Grande Rencontre"
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   >The combined arms of the von Katadien-Scarlet house probably bears the
>motto "Suus Non In Annis, Suus Milia Passuum". For them as don't speak
>(mangled bastard Google Translate) Latin, that roughly translates to
>"It's Not The Years, It's The Mileage". =]
>

I wonder which of them feels the oldest? Chronologically they're near enough to make little difference in the grand scheme of things, but it would be amusing to see who has the most 'get off my lawn' energy.

>Per previous comment, I am and retain a dork. =]
>

I think you might have meant 'remain', or that's a use of that word I'm not familiar with (both plausible) but in any case it gives me the notion that you actually have a dork on the payroll for some inscrutable purpose, which may be the most amusing option.


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17. "RE: GG Book 2 Act II: La Grande Rencontre"
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   I did mean remain. I don't retain a dork on the payroll. That would just be silly. I work for free.

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FiMFiction.net: we might accept blatant porn involving the cast of My Little Pony but as God is my witness we have standards.

Honestly, the scene fragment I wrote for GG2.1 was an aberration. I've been a rock-stupid twerp here for eleven years oh fuck now I feel oooooold...


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18. "RE: GG Book 2 Act II: La Grande Rencontre"
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   >Honestly, the scene fragment I wrote for GG2.1 was an
>aberration. I've been a rock-stupid twerp here for eleven years oh
>fuck now I feel oooooold...

Don't sell yourself short, that's an order of magnitude (or two) more than I've contributed in about twice that time, or however long there have been forums here.


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20. "RE: GG Book 2 Act II: La Grande Rencontre"
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>I wonder which of them feels the oldest? Chronologically
>they're near enough to make little difference in the grand scheme of
>things, but it would be amusing to see who has the most 'get off my
>lawn' energy.

Sadly, they can never have that scene from Jaws where they compare scars and trade the war stories behind them, because they both regenerate without forming scars, and just pointing to where they would otherwise be lacks a certain gravitas. :)

Honestly, though, I think it's a wash. Gryphon has a lot more physical mileage on him despite his slightly younger age, but Remilia has had many more long dark tea-times of the soul, despite G's experiences during the Exile.

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15. "RE: GG Book 2 Act II: La Grande Rencontre"
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   >The album's name would've been Lors, Le Bruit Ici!, which is
>one of those bilingual referential puns that feels really clever if
>you are a faintly pretentious muso like Ragulin still kind of is.

Heh, they could drop that as a double release with [sic.], the album of covers of songs with misspelling and/or grammatical errors in the titles, which Kate has wanted to do for aaaaages. "Who[m] Do You Love", "The Kids Are Alright", "Mama Weer All Crazee Now", et al. :)

>The combined arms of the von Katadien-Scarlet house probably bears the
>motto "Suus Non In Annis, Suus Milia Passuum". For them as don't speak
>(mangled bastard Google Translate) Latin, that roughly translates to
>"It's Not The Years, It's The Mileage". =]

I was thinking possibly VBI MINIME CREDAS ("when you least expect it"). :)

>"The von Katadien insignia is smaller and less prominent than
>that of House Scarlet," said Remilia as she looked up from her drawing
>table, "but we won't hold it against you, mon fidèle coursier.
>The weather of late has been so frightfully cold."

That wouldn't even get a verbal comment. He'd just turn and look at her over his glasses for a second, then go back to whatever he was doing. :)

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30. "RE: GG Book 2 Act II: La Grande Rencontre"
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   Try:

nec annos, sed intervallum

(literally, "not years, but distance")

"Mile" is being translated by google as 'thousand paces' which is both -correct- and -worthless- in this instance XD

Latin slogans rarely translate across with exact wording; I usually try to go for the -sense- of the sentiment rather than getting hung up on exact words.

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12. "RE: GG Book 2 Act II: La Grande Rencontre"
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   >Not only for deep dish, I usually do a regular "stretched dough"-type
>crust. I haven't tried it with anything that might be marketed as
>"thin 'n crispy", as that's not really my thing.
>

I had meant the stretched dough kind so no worries there. Thanks for the advice and tolerance for the off topic digression.

>Part of me is tempted to actually show the witches in council over
>this matter, but then I would have to entitle that episode "Failing
>the Bechdel Test" and I dunno if I need the tsuris. :)
>

Seems like fodder for a quasi-canon mini story if it somehow comes to exist. I can see not wanting to summon the stress by unleashing it onto the world though, even if it's funny.

>... to the Dutch. ;)
>

It is situationally amusing that the second comment on that video when I looked was:

"Last time I heard this song I took off down the highway going 120 mph.

I wasn't even in a car."

>Heh. Well, three out of the four people she lives with are strong
>enough to deploy her in a
>Fastball Special,
> which might count. :)
>

True. The D&D rules nerd in me wonders of vorpal weapons still have the property when thrown, but that's far enough off the topic it's over the horizon, and might start sneaking up from the other direction.


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21. "RE: GG Book 2 Act II: La Grande Rencontre"
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   >>Not only for deep dish, I usually do a regular "stretched dough"-type
>>crust. I haven't tried it with anything that might be marketed as
>>"thin 'n crispy", as that's not really my thing.
>
>I had meant the stretched dough kind so no worries there. Thanks for
>the advice and tolerance for the off topic digression.

Pizza à la Poêle en Fonte

--G.
or, in this context, Pizza à la Mode Diable Écarlate
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22. "RE: GG Book 2 Act II: La Grande Rencontre"
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   I am now given to wonder if the pizza made its appearance in story due to your first run of it earlier this week, or if that is just a coincidence.

>or, in this context, Pizza à la Mode Diable
>Écarlate

I had that notion that to truly be in that style it would have a non-conventional red ingredient added, but I imagine the oven heat probably ruins said substance for any nutritional purposes.


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23. "RE: GG Book 2 Act II: La Grande Rencontre"
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>I am now given to wonder if the pizza made its appearance in story due
>to your first run of it earlier this week, or if that is just a
>coincidence.

Just a coincidence. I make this pizza every week or two IRL, when I have the parts on hand, and when I wanted to throw in a reference to G doing some of the cooking, that was the first thing that popped into my head. He's not going to be trying to make belgad shyam in 1946, after all. :)

(I probably had it in mind when I mentioned that some of the supplies in the May drop were rations from Romagna, as well. That's probably where the sauce came from.)

>>or, in this context, Pizza à la Mode Diable
>>Écarlate

>
>I had that notion that to truly be in that style it would have a
>non-conventional red ingredient added, but I imagine the oven heat
>probably ruins said substance for any nutritional purposes.

I'm not sure. Remilia often puts it in tea, which is near-boiling water and presumably denatures the proteins, but that may be just for flavor and not strictly sustenance.

(Regardless, the usual custom at SDM is for the vampire residents to sanguinate to taste à la table, for the sake of courtesy to those fellow diners who would prefer not to have human blood in their food as it comes from the kitchen—a habit Remilia developed during the early time-bubble nights and just kept doing after there was no one around to be courteous to any more. And Flan generally just takes hers neat; she never developed Remilia's taste for spiking other foods and drinks with it.)

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28. "RE: GG Book 2 Act II: La Grande Rencontre"
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   A nice breakfast fry-up with a black pudding might be nice. Though it would be ...interesting to ensure that the human-consumption black pudding and the vampire-consumption black pudding are kept -separate-

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35. "RE: GG Book 2 Act II: La Grande Rencontre"
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   >I'm not sure. Remilia often puts it in tea, which is near-boiling
>water and presumably denatures the proteins, but that may be just for
>flavor and not strictly sustenance.

If the point is the proteins rather than the mystical significance of the whole blood consumption thing, the body will not care. In fact, it will likely aid digestion, because as part of the whole digestive process the body denatures long chain proteins so the various enzymes can work at it and chop them into smaller pieces that the body can more easily shuffle around and process as substrate for its own protein sequencing.

And that's before you get into things like prion diseases, where being able to denature proteins is an absolutely critical base function to protect you from them.


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16. "RE: GG Book 2 Act II: La Grande Rencontre"
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   >>Since a pan/skillet is involved, is this for deep dish use only, or
>>will it serve for thinner crusts?
>
>Not only for deep dish, I usually do a regular "stretched dough"-type
>crust. I haven't tried it with anything that might be marketed as
>"thin 'n crispy", as that's not really my thing.

Chiming in here as a guy that works in a pizza place - namely a chain of Papa John's stores.

The hand stretched version you're thinking of is referred to as "hand tossed" dough, as the more showy dough slappers can toss the dough skin in the air and spin it on a finger tip to let centrifugal force do its thing.

(The term "Dough Slapper" itself comes from the more basic form of dough tossing - also called dough slapping - where they simply slap the dough skin from one hand to the other.)

Regarding special implements... As G said, none are really required beyond having a halfway decent oven. Gas or electric will do, but convection ovens, of course, work better. However, there are "Proper" pizza ovens, but these are only special in that they have a slab-bottom made of either stainless steel or stone that you supposed to directly place the pizza on - no need for pans or screens. But these are prohibitively expensive to own and require a LONG warm-up time since the "Proper" temperature for cooking pizza is anywhere between 600 and 800 degrees Fahrenheit.

As for what kind of pizza I like? Here, my status as a Human Black Hole applies. Generally I like hand tossed style crust, but I also love a good thin crust now and then. (Papa John's thin crust is particularly good, IMO.) Same with pan-style pizza - particularly where the cheese and topping are out to the edges of the pan. Properly done, it's great stuff.

Pizza Pie is an actual thing, and not simply a term to refer to a pizza in general. In fact, referring to any other pizza as a "pie" is a generally erroneous thing. Actual Pizza Pies are more akin to the Chicago-Style pan pizzas, which can often exceed an inch in thickness.

Suffice to say, a Pizza Pie is the kind of pizza where you have no choice but to eat it like a pie - with a knife and fork.

>>(I expect Flandre and Minna will cross paths eventually, so
>>this should only require patience, but that's never been a strong suit
>>of the EPU fandom. Though I think we have, on average, gotten better
>>over the years.)
>
>Given the incredible variability of output over the last decade or so,
>those of you who are still here have had little choice, unfortunately.
>:/
>
>>If she had been present, she probably would have seconded Erica's
>>motion regarding marriage requirements.
>
>Part of me is tempted to actually show the witches in council over
>this matter, but then I would have to entitle that episode "Failing
>the Bechdel Test" and I dunno if I need the tsuris. :)
>
>(Well, OK, the Bechdel test stipulates that women in scenes must not
>only talk about men, not that they never can, but
>still.)
>

Eh. I know I'm probably preaching to the choir here, but the Bechdel Test is an overrated thing, and anyone that believes in it wholeheartedly needs to be pointed towards a porno flick that happens to technically pass the Bechdel Test.

Besides, these sorts of people are pretty toxic in general, though, and not the sort to hang around here.

>>The second card would probably trigger various amused sounds from G
>>and Remilia that Eila would entirely not comprehend. Interesting that
>>both cards official (as much as Tarot can be said to have it)
>>interpretations actually do seem fitting, above and beyond their
>>winking reference value.
>
>The thing about Eila's Tarot readings is that nobody else thinks
>they're accurate, and even Eila doesn't realize how they are a
>lot of the time, but they usually are.

Expanding a bit on this topic here, as someone who dated a Pagan.

The funny thing is that tarot decks, much like dice for some hard-core DND and other table-top gamers, seem to have their own personalities where the same two cards for different decks can have wildly different interpretations. For example, said Pagan girlfriend had a special limited-run tarot where the artwork was all done by the infamous HR Geiger (the man who is responsible for the Xenomorph's aesthetic in the series of Alien films). Said tarot deck had some particularly and wickedly snide and sarcastic interpretations that were very fitting of the representing artwork on the Major Arcana.

>These days, Flandre sometimes thinks that "I'll Get It Sorted Out
>Eventually" (possibly in a Latin translation) should be on her
>personal coat of arms, if she had one.
>
>(Of potential interest, the actual motto on the Scarlet family's
>escutcheon is NON CEDERE - "we do not yield".)

Oh man, these can be so much fun if you work at it. In one of my current projects, I'm having it that a Macross-class SDF has the following motto: "Ecce et flebitis"

>>I knew nothing of Touhou before this storyline came about, so that
>>wasn't me. It does give me the mental image of one of the Scarlet
>>sisters actually wielding Sakuya as a weapon and beheading
>>someone with her.
>
>Heh. Well, three out of the four people she lives with are strong
>enough to deploy her in a Fastball Special, which might count. :)

Pffft. I love the bits in the picture there...

"Piotr Rasputin--Colossus. Organic Steel. Fast Ball tops out at 220 MPH."
"Logan--Wolverine. Adamantium Skeleton, Claws. Currently traveling at 220 MPH."


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>Suffice to say, a Pizza Pie is the kind of pizza where you have no
>choice but to eat it like a pie - with a knife and fork.

Huh, wow, you just reminded me of something I haven't thought about in decades. Way back when, like when I was in high school, Pizza Hut did a thing called the Priazzo, which was basically a pizza with another pizza on top of it. Like literally a pie made from pizzas. I really liked it, but evidently it didn't catch on or was too much of a pain in the ass to make or something, because it disappeared within a few years and as far as I know has never been seen since. I had to look up what it was called, and amusingly, the search terms that got me there were "pizza hut double pizza thing from the 80s". :)

>Eh. I know I'm probably preaching to the choir here, but the Bechdel
>Test is an overrated thing, and anyone that believes in it
>wholeheartedly needs to be pointed towards a porno flick that happens
>to technically pass the Bechdel Test.
>
>Besides, these sorts of people are pretty toxic in general, though,
>and not the sort to hang around here.

Well, I'm not exactly a zealot, but I see the point that the thing's originators were (presumably?) trying to make, namely that no one type of character should have nothing to discuss but some other, often more privileged, type of character. I like to think most of my characters have well-enough-realized lives that they don't fall down that hole anyway, but it's not completely without value as a thing to be mindful of—particularly since OWaW in general is in one sense the story of a male interloper in a canonically virtually-all-female world anyway. Mind you, he interlopes largely by more or less being viewed as just one of the girls, but still. :)

>The funny thing is that tarot decks, much like dice for some hard-core
>DND and other table-top gamers, seem to have their own personalities
>where the same two cards for different decks can have wildly different
>interpretations.

I've always kind of assumed that, like pretty much all classical fortune-telling tools, they mean whatever the person using them can convince everybody else in the room they mean.

>Oh man, these can be so much fun if you work at it. In one of my
>current projects, I'm having it that a Macross-class SDF has the
>following motto: "Ecce et flebitis"

That goes nicely with NOLITE ACCIPERE VLLOS LIGNEOS SESTERTIOS. :)

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24. "RE: GG Book 2 Act II: La Grande Rencontre"
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   On the subject of the Bechdel Test: it's not really a serious test of Unreproachable Feminist Principles. It's an insanely low bar. The point (per Alison Bechdel) was to point out how many pieces of popular media don't even manage something as basic as that. Sure, lesbian porn can pass it, but a lot of beloved films and TV shows can't, and the latter is the more important part of the broader point about female representation in media.

>>The funny thing is that tarot decks, much like dice for some hard-core
>>DND and other table-top gamers, seem to have their own personalities
>>where the same two cards for different decks can have wildly different
>>interpretations.
>
>I've always kind of assumed that, like pretty much all classical
>fortune-telling tools, they mean whatever the person using them can
>convince everybody else in the room they mean.

Now I'm just imagining Eila getting freaked out by the tarot readings and turning to more esoteric modes of divination, which is about when Mio and the others find her crouched on the floor studying some molten lead in an old baked bean tin full of water and mumbling about why the shape looks like a planet made of metal but, like, evil somehow...

For reference: a common method of predicting the future in Finland is uudenvuodentina, the practice of dropping molten lead or tin in water and divining the future through the shape. It seems like something that Eila would be familiar with, though the parallels between our world and hers are not totally exact. The Karlsländerin in attendance might know of a similar practice from the Vaterland, but that's only done at the turn of the New Year; everyone else, meanwhile, is going to be horrendously confused.

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25. "RE: GG Book 2 Act II: La Grande Rencontre"
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   >Now I'm just imagining Eila getting freaked out by the tarot readings
>and turning to more esoteric modes of divination, which is about when
>Mio and the others find her crouched on the floor studying some molten
>lead in an old baked bean tin full of water and mumbling about why the
>shape looks like a planet made of metal but, like, evil somehow...

I'm laughing like Peter Lorre again; you must be doing something right. ;)

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37. "RE: GG Book 2 Act II: La Grande Rencontre"
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   >>Suffice to say, a Pizza Pie is the kind of pizza where you have no
>>choice but to eat it like a pie - with a knife and fork.
>
>Huh, wow, you just reminded me of something I haven't thought about in
>decades. Way back when, like when I was in high school, Pizza Hut did
>a thing called the Priazzo, which was basically a pizza with another
>pizza on top of it. Like literally a pie made from pizzas. I really
>liked it, but evidently it didn't catch on or was too much of a pain
>in the ass to make or something, because it disappeared within a few
>years and as far as I know has never been seen since. I had to look
>up what it was called, and amusingly, the search terms that got me
>there were "pizza hut double pizza thing from the 80s". :)

Heh. Always glad to bring back a happy memory.

>>The funny thing is that tarot decks, much like dice for some hard-core
>>DND and other table-top gamers, seem to have their own personalities
>>where the same two cards for different decks can have wildly different
>>interpretations.
>
>I've always kind of assumed that, like pretty much all classical
>fortune-telling tools, they mean whatever the person using them can
>convince everybody else in the room they mean.

Eh, it's a matter of perspective when you're not the one doing the divination.

Really, the only person that you should be divining for are yourself and those closest to you (e.g.: spouse(s)/significant other(s) and immediate family). Doing it for other people tends to mix things up in unexpected ways - especially if you consider the fact that you may not be completely aware of the full details of the circumstances of the person you're divining for. (Whoof, that was a long-ass sentence, but precise wording was called for here.)

Thus, divination tends to be an extremely personal thing. The fact that Eila shares her divinations with the rest of the squadron is a statement: The 501st is her family, full stop.

>>Oh man, these can be so much fun if you work at it. In one of my
>>current projects, I'm having it that a Macross-class SDF has the
>>following motto: "Ecce et flebitis"
>
>That goes nicely with NOLITE ACCIPERE VLLOS LIGNEOS SESTERTIOS.
>:)

Having trouble with that last word. Something about accepting wooden x-item? Wooden horses? Wooden coins? (Google Translate is not being terribly helpful.)


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38. "RE: GG Book 2 Act II: La Grande Rencontre"
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   Given the rest of the statement, the last bit would have to be 'wooden nickels'. Latin would have had no direct word so fudging was required.



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41. "RE: GG Book 2 Act II: La Grande Rencontre"
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   >Given the rest of the statement, the last bit would have to be 'wooden
>nickels'. Latin would have had no direct word so fudging was required.

It’s the school motto of the Deedlit S. Mandeville Institute, and that’s exactly what it means.

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26. "RE: GG Book 2 Act II: La Grande Rencontre"
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   >Eh. I know I'm probably preaching to the choir here, but the Bechdel
>Test is an overrated thing, and anyone that believes in it
>wholeheartedly needs to be pointed towards a porno flick that happens
>to technically pass the Bechdel Test.

My favourite fact about the Bechdel Test is the line "Oh my god, Becky, look at her butt" means Baby Got Back by Sir Mix-a-Lot passes it.

The point is that the test while it is, as Traitor mentioned, a ridiculously low bar to pass which many works don't, it's not meant as a judgement of the quality of a work or its female characters. Good films can fail, while bad films can pass. For example:


  1. Gravity fails because there are only two main characters - one male, one female - and hence no opportunity for two females to have a conversation in the first place.
  2. Mulan (the animated version) fails because of its feminist themes of overcoming sexism - Mulan starts in an environment where women are valued only for their ability to get a man and produce babies, and then moves into an environment where there are no other women at all because it's not allowed.
  3. Manos: The Hands of Fate is in no way a good film, nor does it ever present women in a positive way. Nevertheless, it passes because Manos' wives discuss whether or not to spare the lives of the mother and daughter so they can become wives too.

In conclusion, when considering whether or not something passes the test, you also need to ask why it does or doesn't.

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27. "RE: GG Book 2 Act II: La Grande Rencontre"
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   >>Since a pan/skillet is involved, is this for deep dish use only, or
>>will it serve for thinner crusts?
>
>Not only for deep dish, I usually do a regular "stretched dough"-type
>crust. I haven't tried it with anything that might be marketed as
>"thin 'n crispy", as that's not really my thing.

Ach, this is one of my rabbitholes...

So, yes, cast iron works -just fine- for pizza and depending on how you gimmick with the crust properties you can do all kinds in a skillet.

However there's a -lot- of other options.

My personal preference relies on a 'pizza stone' - a piece of ceramic that you leave in the oven to heat up, and then you slide the pizza on it. Works amazingly! gets you a nice crisp bottom to the crust.

However, Gryph's unlikely to have a commercial one of those - but he's -extremely- likely to have, in his pile of building supplies for a fancy european house, a metric assload of -slate- for the roof. And it just so happens that slate will work -just fine- in an oven*

Alternatively, you can just slap it on a grill; with the right crust composition and without too many toppings it'll do -well enough- that you can get acceptable results on a regular BBQ.

Alternatively, given this is a manor house, it's likely they would have a dedicated bread oven, which would function much like a professional pizza oven - and it's not like a peel would be that hard to fashion.

So if anything, Gryph's likely to have the means to make -more legitimate pizza- than I can in my house.

* provided it's thick enough. Very thin pieces will shatter.

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36. "RE: GG Book 2 Act II: La Grande Rencontre"
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   >*snip*
>Alternatively, given this is a manor house, it's likely they would
>have a dedicated bread oven, which would function much like a
>professional pizza oven - and it's not like a peel would be that hard
>to fashion.

Snipped for brevity.

This is mostly because pizza basically is a form of bread, just bread with something other than dough baked right with it. I know southern Germany has Flammkuchen, which are basically thin crusted pizza usually topped with creme frèche, bacon and onions and historically baked to check the temperature of the oven before you shove in loaves of bread.

Which is an important thing to check, because otherwise you might burn or under cook your bread, at a time when temperature measuring instruments were extremely expensive if they existed at all, and may not have been able to handle an oven.


I would not be one bit surprised if products like pizza were common across Europe at one point or another so the baker could check the temperature of the oven.

And have a snack.


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29. "RE: GG Book 2 Act II: La Grande Rencontre"
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   LAST EDITED ON Sep-26-20 AT 08:58 PM (EDT)
 
>These days, Flandre sometimes thinks that "I'll Get It Sorted Out
>Eventually" (possibly in a Latin translation) should be on her
>personal coat of arms, if she had one.

When I was a kid, I knew a guy who had a sailboat called "Mañana" ;-)

Lessee...."sort" as a verb is going to be summat like 'ordino' ( implies - as one might expect - ordering, arranging ) or 'dispono' ( which is more 'regulate' )

Given the connotation, we'll go with 'ordino' as the verb, but since this is future tense ( "eventually" ) we'll need to match that - it's an -are verb so that'll be... ordinavit? Yeah, that seems right.

Now you -could- just leave it as that word - "ordinavit" does carry "I will be sorting it" as a meaning - but that doesn't quite get the kind of "mañana" connotation we're after. Fortunately, 'tamen' is a direct translation of 'eventually' in approximately that sense.

Hence:

"Tamen Ordinavit"

Edit: though if you want to make sure 'it' is emphasized, you could go with "tamen hoc ordinavit" with 'hoc' taking the accusative case as the direct object, emphasizing 'it' as an indefinite thing that will be sorted. It also scans a little better.

Double-edit:

"tah men" "hock" "ore DEE nah vit" is how you pronounce that ( for values of 'pronounce' that are ecclesiastic, rather than classical, latin ( and isn't -that- a whole rabbithole ) )

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31. "RE: GG Book 2 Act II: La Grande Rencontre"
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   >"tah men" "hock" "ore DEE nah vit" is how you pronounce that ( for
>values of 'pronounce' that are ecclesiastic, rather than classical,
>latin ( and isn't -that- a whole rabbithole ) )

Way back in the depths of prehistory, my dad got a book that fondly imagined itself to be a sort of "modern" SF adventure. It was about a Roman-era gladiator who'd been found frozen in ice (yes, that "sort of SF"...) and discovered in modern times. When he was resuscitated, he found himself being asked questions in the most perfect Latin by all sorts of language experts. He opened his mouth...

...and spoke Vulgar Latin in a thick-as-molasses Italian accent. The narrator almost fell over laughing.

Fortunately, I remember nothing else about the entire story — not even the title or author — yes, it really was that bad.

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32. "RE: GG Book 2 Act II: La Grande Rencontre"
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   If you ever work out what that book was, let me know because that sounds -amazing- and I really want to read it now, with a glass of whiskey in hand.

Classical Latin was not pronounced using the modern phonemes associated with those letters; it was...close-ish? but - well, for instance, the whole V thing.

See, they had 'v' and 'u'! but...well, they weren't really pronounced that -differently-. "V" kinda came out more like a modern "W" and was, in fact, effectively just a consonant version of "U"

Which means G. Iulius Caesar, when talking about what he'd been doing in France, sounded a little like Elmer Fudd: "Waynee, weedee, weekee"

Everything sounds more impressive in Latin....so long as you pronounce it "wrong" XD

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39. "RE: GG Book 2 Act II: La Grande Rencontre"
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   >If you ever work out what that book was, let me know because that
>sounds -amazing- and I really want to read it now, with a glass of
>whiskey in hand.

I'm moderately sure I sort-of remember the cover; a typical lots-of-tanned-and-sweaty-muscles type, wearing a maybe-red loincloth and one of the common helmet types with a broad brim, crest, and mesh mask covering the whole face. Holding something that looked not entirely unlike an actual gladius, and striking a dramatic pose. Publishing date could be 30-40 years ago, plus-or-minus.

I usually remember books I've read all the way through better than that, but this one just wasn't all that memorable. I don't even remember how it ended after he (inevitably) escaped from the medical lab where he was revived. A single glass might not be enough, you might need the whole bottle so you can forget it as well. ;)

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40. "RE: GG Book 2 Act II: La Grande Rencontre"
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   >I don't even
>remember how it ended

....

>Unable to save the day: File is read-only.

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33. "RE: GG Book 2 Act II: La Grande Rencontre"
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   >When I was a kid, I knew a guy who had a sailboat called "Mañana" ;-)
>
>Lessee...."sort" as a verb is going to be summat like 'ordino' (
>implies - as one might expect - ordering, arranging ) or 'dispono' (
>which is more 'regulate' )
>
>Given the connotation, we'll go with 'ordino' as the verb, but since
>this is future tense ( "eventually" ) we'll need to match that - it's
>an -are verb so that'll be... ordinavit? Yeah, that seems right.
>
>Now you -could- just leave it as that word - "ordinavit" does carry "I
>will be sorting it" as a meaning - but that doesn't quite get the kind
>of "mañana" connotation we're after. Fortunately, 'tamen' is a direct
>translation of 'eventually' in approximately that sense.
>
>Hence:
>
>"Tamen Ordinavit"
>
>Edit: though if you want to make sure 'it' is emphasized, you could go
>with "tamen hoc ordinavit" with 'hoc' taking the accusative case as
>the direct object, emphasizing 'it' as an indefinite thing that will
>be sorted. It also scans a little better.
>
>Double-edit:
>
>"tah men" "hock" "ore DEE nah vit" is how you pronounce that ( for
>values of 'pronounce' that are ecclesiastic, rather than classical,
>latin ( and isn't -that- a whole rabbithole ) )

I had wanted to toss out the Latin for that motto just because that saying as a motto amuses me, but Google kept spitting out garbage and my own Latin classes are too many decades in my past, so I'm glad someone had it covered.

Funny thing I do recall from high school Latin, the teacher insisted on classical pronunciation, despite the class being in a Catholic school where you'd expect ecclesiastic to rule the day. That always struck me as odd.


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34. "RE: GG Book 2 Act II: La Grande Rencontre"
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   >
>I had wanted to toss out the Latin for that motto just because that
>saying as a motto amuses me, but Google kept spitting out garbage and
>my own Latin classes are too many decades in my past, so I'm glad
>someone had it covered.
>

It's kind of a hobby of mine. Puts me in a good mood. Have had an incredibly shitty week and needed an amusement :-) Happy to do this kinda thing pretty much anytime.

>Funny thing I do recall from high school Latin, the teacher insisted
>on classical pronunciation, despite the class being in a Catholic
>school where you'd expect ecclesiastic to rule the day. That always
>struck me as odd.
>

Huh, that isn't what I'd expect either.

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4. "RE: GG Book 2 Act II: La Grande Rencontre"
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   LAST EDITED ON Sep-25-20 AT 07:16 PM (EDT)
 
Oh yeah, I was going to mention this in the release post, but I forgot. (It's alluded to in another thread, but anyway.) This episode went in a completely different direction than I had planned, and I'm happy it did, because it was a hoot. (And what I had planned is still coming, just... in a slightly different order.) I love it when I'm grappling with a Gordian knot and a character just suddenly grabs the sword and goes after it. :)

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14. "RE: GG Book 2 Act II: La Grande Rencontre"
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   Yeah, it's a funny thing what happens whenever you let the characters drive.

Echoes of "Lost in Cleveland" abound. ;)


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