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"PROTIP: revolver reloading"
 
   LAST EDITED ON Nov-17-17 AT 09:43 PM (EST)
 
Don't reload a revolver like they do it in Destiny 2. You will bend the cylinder crane and ruin your revolver.

This has been a public service announcement.

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  RE: PROTIP: revolver reloading Matrix Dragon Nov-18-17 1
  RE: PROTIP: revolver reloading MuninsFire Nov-18-17 2
     RE: PROTIP: revolver reloading Matrix Dragon Nov-18-17 3
     RE: PROTIP: revolver reloading Gryphonadmin Nov-18-17 4
  RE: PROTIP: revolver reloading Peter Eng Nov-18-17 5
     RE: PROTIP: revolver reloading Gryphonadmin Nov-18-17 6
         RE: PROTIP: revolver reloading Matrix Dragon Nov-18-17 7
             RE: PROTIP: revolver reloading Gryphonadmin Nov-18-17 8
                 RE: PROTIP: revolver reloading pjmoyermoderator Nov-18-17 9
                     RE: PROTIP: revolver reloading Matrix Dragon Nov-18-17 10
  RE: PROTIP: revolver reloading Berk Nov-19-17 11
     RE: PROTIP: revolver reloading Gryphonadmin Nov-19-17 12
         RE: PROTIP: revolver reloading Berk Nov-19-17 13
             RE: PROTIP: revolver reloading Gryphonadmin Nov-19-17 14
                 RE: PROTIP: revolver reloading Berk Nov-19-17 15
                     RE: PROTIP: revolver reloading Gryphonadmin Nov-19-17 16
                         RE: PROTIP: revolver reloading Berk Nov-19-17 17
         RE: PROTIP: revolver reloading Gryphonadmin Nov-20-17 19
             RE: PROTIP: revolver reloading Berk Nov-20-17 20
                 RE: PROTIP: revolver reloading Gryphonadmin Nov-20-17 23
  RE: PROTIP: revolver reloading MuninsFire Nov-20-17 18
     RE: PROTIP: revolver reloading MoonEyes Nov-20-17 21
     RE: PROTIP: revolver reloading Berk Nov-20-17 22
         RE: PROTIP: revolver reloading Gryphonadmin Nov-20-17 24
             RE: PROTIP: revolver reloading Berk Nov-21-17 25
             RE: PROTIP: revolver reloading MoonEyes Nov-21-17 26
  RE: PROTIP: revolver reloading mdg1 Nov-21-17 27
     RE: PROTIP: revolver reloading Gryphonadmin Nov-21-17 28
         RE: PROTIP: revolver reloading Nathan Nov-21-17 29
         RE: PROTIP: revolver reloading mdg1 Nov-23-17 31
     RE: PROTIP: revolver reloading Matrix Dragon Nov-22-17 30
         RE: PROTIP: revolver reloading mdg1 Nov-23-17 32
             RE: PROTIP: revolver reloading MoonEyes Nov-24-17 33
                 RE: PROTIP: revolver reloading Peter Eng Nov-24-17 34
                 RE: PROTIP: revolver reloading mdg1 Nov-25-17 35

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1. "RE: PROTIP: revolver reloading"
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   Guardians have future tech and Space Magic to help them do that. Modern weapons lack those advantages. Instead of looking cool, you'll just look like an idiot.

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2. "RE: PROTIP: revolver reloading"
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   Wait is...is he dumping out the whole interior of the cylinder? Or is he leaving a speedloader on the thing when he loads it?

Or am I just not seeing things right, as may well be the case

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3. "RE: PROTIP: revolver reloading"
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   >Wait is...is he dumping out the whole interior of the cylinder? Or is
>he leaving a speedloader on the thing when he loads it?
>
>Or am I just not seeing things right, as may well be the case

Space Magic Future Tech. All the hand cannons in Destiny run on 'this looks cool' as opposed to 'this is how guns work'

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4. "RE: PROTIP: revolver reloading"
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   >Wait is...is he dumping out the whole interior of the cylinder? Or is
>he leaving a speedloader on the thing when he loads it?
>
>Or am I just not seeing things right, as may well be the case

Yeah, it looks like the revolvers in Destiny use ammunition that's basically one big cartridge with several (in this instance, nine) loaded chambers in it and the ratchet/indexing mechanism built into the back. There's a top-break one that one of the other Hats uses for a while during that stream, which works in basically the same way.

I don't know if the game's designers gave it much thought—for instance, does the cylinder have a central axis pin that just doesn't go all the way to the back, and if not how is it retained?—but it looks cool, and it's a decent visual justification for how much faster and less fiddly than real revolvers they are to reload. Assuming sufficiently strong Future Materials that the cylinder only being retained at the very front isn't a problem, I can't think of any reason why it wouldn't work mechanically, although it wouldn't be very efficient materials-wise.

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5. "RE: PROTIP: revolver reloading"
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   Okay, I barely followed that, but I think what's happening in the reload sequence is:

1. The revolver can somehow be opened and unloaded one-handed without damaging the...hinge?...that swings it out.
2. The person then shoves in what appears to be a disposable cylinder of bullets.
3. After that, the revolver is then flipped shut, which should also damage the hinge, but apparently doesn't.

I swear, there should be a major industry in scavenging the brass and the disposable cylinders from an area.

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6. "RE: PROTIP: revolver reloading"
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   >1. The revolver can somehow be opened and unloaded one-handed without
>damaging the...hinge?...that swings it out.

Technically speaking, the swing arm that the cylinder is attached to in revolvers that work that way is called the crane. And it is possible to open and close a real swing-out revolver that way, just... not a great idea. Modern revolvers are usually built well enough that they won't be ruined immediately, but handling them like that habitually will eventually lead to things bending and stretching such that they don't line up properly any more.

>I swear, there should be a major industry in scavenging the brass and
>the disposable cylinders from an area.

Based on the relatively few bits of the storyline the guys weren't talking over in that stream, it appears that the game's setting is post-apocalyptic, so presumably people have other things on their minds. :)

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7. "RE: PROTIP: revolver reloading"
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   >Based on the relatively few bits of the storyline the guys weren't
>talking over in that stream, it appears that the game's setting is
>post-apocalyptic, so presumably people have other things on their
>minds. :)

Post-apocalyptic with a good dose of space magic, and a common material in the game is essentially sci-fi 3D printer material at nearly replicator level of versatility. Spent brass isn't really an issue, even before you include the magic guns where headshots cause the bullet to return to the chamber... Which would have had interesting development issues during the design phase :)

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8. "RE: PROTIP: revolver reloading"
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   >the magic guns where headshots cause
>the bullet to return to the chamber... Which would have had
>interesting development issues during the design phase :)

"All right, explanation. What happened here?"

"Well, we were testing the latest rev of the headshot return gun."

"And one of you decided to test it by shooting Johnson in the head?"

"No, Johnson was doing the firing test."

"Go on..."

"He was shooting at one of the standard Mark 12 target drones, and... I don't know. Either his hand slipped, or he tried an unauthorized disarm shot, or... we'll never know. Anyway, as you can see, he hit the drone's weapon."

"... And the round rehomed..."

"... To his head. Yes. That's... that's what it looks like."

"Hmm. Well... have to have a word with the software guys about algorithm reversibility. Carry on."

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9. "RE: PROTIP: revolver reloading"
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   AKA: A typical day at Omolon R&D.

(Whose ammunition is made of printed-on-the-fly liquid polymer and are reneowned creators of the Hard Light auto rifle, whose bullets ricochet as a feature.)

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10. "RE: PROTIP: revolver reloading"
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   >AKA: A typical day at Omolon R&D.
>
>(Whose ammunition is made of printed-on-the-fly liquid polymer and are
>reneowned creators of the Hard Light auto rifle, whose bullets
>ricochet as a feature.)

Xur's selling that this week. I've seen so many dance parties breaking out on Titan this weekend...

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11. "RE: PROTIP: revolver reloading"
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   Destiny's competition, Warframe, has issues with revolvers as well. For some unfathomable reason the revolvers in that game eject brass after each shot.

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12. "RE: PROTIP: revolver reloading"
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   >Destiny's competition, Warframe, has issues with revolvers as well.
>For some unfathomable reason the revolvers in that game eject brass
>after each shot.

I kind of want to try to design one that does that now, just for the "what." value. It would be like one of those absurdist sculptures based on Jacques Carelman drawings.

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13. "RE: PROTIP: revolver reloading"
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   There's no place in the mechanism for it to actually eject brass, so I suspect that the brass ejection is a part of the firing animation for pistols.

Warframe, being a small studio game, has a tendency to recycle animations and models.

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14. "RE: PROTIP: revolver reloading"
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   >There's no place in the mechanism for it to actually eject brass, so I
>suspect that the brass ejection is a part of the firing animation for
>pistols.

Heh, oops. Sort of like how which transporter effect happens to your character in Star Trek Online is built into the character model, which seems fine until a TOS Federation character relocates to the game's "present day". :)

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15. "RE: PROTIP: revolver reloading"
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   I'm willing to forgive them certain amounts of small details and other assorted shenanigans if only because they can put together some of the most visually distinct product I've seen for a game that really is honest to Ghu freemium.

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16. "RE: PROTIP: revolver reloading"
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   >I'm willing to forgive them certain amounts of small details and other
>assorted shenanigans if only because they can put together some of the
>most visually distinct product I've seen for a game that really is honest to Ghu freemium.

I'm not a huge fan of the production design—it's a bit too busy and fiddly for my taste—but I respect the amount of work that must've gone into it.

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17. "RE: PROTIP: revolver reloading"
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   The Prime series frames are a bit much, yes.

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19. "RE: PROTIP: revolver reloading"
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   >>Destiny's competition, Warframe, has issues with revolvers as well.
>>For some unfathomable reason the revolvers in that game eject brass
>>after each shot.
>
>I kind of want to try to design one that does that now, just for the
>"what." value. It would be like one of those absurdist sculptures
>based on Jacques Carelman drawings.

Oh yeah! I knew the concept reminded me of something. Maybe the gun in Warframe is really a split-breech or open-chamber rotary feed system, like a future-tech Dardick. :)

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20. "RE: PROTIP: revolver reloading"
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   What a peculiar cartridge...

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23. "RE: PROTIP: revolver reloading"
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   LAST EDITED ON Nov-20-17 AT 04:46 PM (EST)
 
>What a peculiar cartridge...

Made of the finest Celanese Fortiflex.

(To be fair, "Celanese" is the name of the company that makes Fortiflex® brand plastic, it's not like "fine Corinthian leather". Still, how 1950s is that packaging? I love stuff like that.)

Also, I just think "trounds" is fun to say out loud. Trounds. Trrrouuuunds.

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18. "RE: PROTIP: revolver reloading"
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   LAST EDITED ON Nov-20-17 AT 00:37 AM (EST) by Gryphon (admin)
 
Speaking of inadviseable revolvers - the term "craft produced" is a fun euphemism for this little hotrod.

Seems it might pack a little bit of a kick when firing...

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21. "RE: PROTIP: revolver reloading"
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   Juuuuuust a tad, yes. I particularly like the name of the special police too, as an aside.

...!
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22. "RE: PROTIP: revolver reloading"
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   I think any time that thing's trigger is pulled and the bullet doesn't Own Goal the shooter is a good day.

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24. "RE: PROTIP: revolver reloading"
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   >I think any time that thing's trigger is pulled and the bullet doesn't
>Own Goal the shooter is a good day.

I'd like to have seen more about how it works. It looks like it has a top-break action, in which case, um... yeah. You guys go ahead, I'll catch up. Handmade firearms are not inherently unsafe, and 7.62×39 isn't insanely powerful for a handgun round—I mean, it's not like the occasional full-power 7.62×54 Mosin-Nagant obrez you hear about somebody making—but I think I would at least want whatever I was firing it from to have a solid frame.

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25. "RE: PROTIP: revolver reloading"
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   The revolver is definitely a top-break situation of some sort. I'm very uncertain about the integrity of the cylinder itself, which appears to have gas ports bored in it.

This makes me suspect that Mk1 of the design blew apart. Just a gut feeling.

The rifle is also deeply concerning for other reasons, mainly in the engineering tolerances between the clip and, pretty much everything else. I'm reasonably sure that at some point in time that thing has been on fire, aft of the bolt.

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26. "RE: PROTIP: revolver reloading"
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>It looks like it has a >top-break action, in which case, um... yeah.
>You guys go ahead, I'll catch up.

Not only that, it looks like it has, basically, an outhouse latch holding it closed. Because really?

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27. "RE: PROTIP: revolver reloading"
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   We all know there's only one proper way to reload a revolver.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjHmNbUCT-U

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28. "RE: PROTIP: revolver reloading"
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   >We all know there's only one proper way to reload a revolver.

What the actual fuck?

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29. "RE: PROTIP: revolver reloading"
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   Ah, Grenadier. Toss Trigun and Rurouni Kenshin in a blender, then add jiggle physics. Much better than it had any right to be, but by rights it should've been terrible, so it was... OK.

Main character's a sweetheart, though.

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31. "RE: PROTIP: revolver reloading"
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   >>We all know there's only one proper way to reload a revolver.
>
>What the actual fuck?
>

That was pretty much my reaction as well. :D

Mario


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30. "RE: PROTIP: revolver reloading"
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   >We all know there's only one proper way to reload a revolver.

*Head tilt* Huh.

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32. "RE: PROTIP: revolver reloading"
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   >>We all know there's only one proper way to reload a revolver.
>
>*Head tilt* Huh.
>
>Matrix Dragon, J. Random Nutter

Well, I figured it was either this, or one of the funky reloads from Dark Tower, but I've been trying to be a bit more chaotic of late, so the boob catapult won

(There's also a rather nifty gunkata bit in one episode)

Mario


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33. "RE: PROTIP: revolver reloading"
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   >(There's also a rather nifty gunkata bit in one episode)

Thoroughly stolen from Equilibrium...except for the boob-catapult-reloads. Which, you know, if those had been in the original movie....

Yeah.

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34. "RE: PROTIP: revolver reloading"
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   >>(There's also a rather nifty gunkata bit in one episode)
>
>Thoroughly stolen from Equilibrium...except for the
>boob-catapult-reloads. Which, you know, if those had been in the
>original movie....
>

...it would still have been...

*shades*

...a total bust.

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35. "RE: PROTIP: revolver reloading"
In response to message #33
 
   >>(There's also a rather nifty gunkata bit in one episode)
>
>Thoroughly stolen from Equilibrium...except for the
>boob-catapult-reloads. Which, you know, if those had been in the
>original movie....
>
>Yeah.

It wouldn't be the only time. Mazinkaiser SKL swiped from the film as well, including the somewhat iconic "gun up, gun down" pose that does nothing but look cool:

Mario


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