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"Call for Questions re: CFMF/Redneck"
 
  
Well, at the moment I have a lot of story fragments, a lot more ideas, and one edit & assembly job to do... but no motivation.

So I'm going to foist that job onto you people and see if anything grabs my attention.

Does anybody have any questions about either Redneck's activities or the CFMF's adventures or deployments? This can be during any period, Golden Age, Exile, or Future Imperfect, years 2006 to 2404.

You may get some answers; you might even (eventually) get a story.

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Star Ranger4
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1. "RE: Call for Questions re: CFMF/Redneck"
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   Redneck's marriage to Washuu and their adoption of Wapiko.

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2. "RE: Call for Questions re: CFMF/Redneck"
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   >Redneck's marriage to Washuu and their adoption of Wapiko.

Ooo! Ooo! The story behind the Jigglypuffs!

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5. "RE: Call for Questions re: CFMF/Redneck"
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   >>Redneck's marriage to Washuu and their adoption of Wapiko.
>
>Ooo! Ooo! The story behind the Jigglypuffs!

Pokemon exist in UF; their homeworld is a human colony; and they are not as of 2405 recognized as a sapient species.

Beyond this, I'm not at liberty to say yet.

Redneck (besides, it was a silly toss-off line anyway)

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7. "RE: Call for Questions re: CFMF/Redneck"
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   >Pokemon exist in UF; their homeworld is a human colony; and they are not
>as of 2405 recognized as a sapient species.
>Beyond this, I'm not at liberty to say yet.
>Redneck (besides, it was a silly toss-off line anyway)

A line that's come back to haunt you big time.

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10. "RE: Call for Questions re: CFMF/Redneck"
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   Redneck wrote:

Pokemon exist in UF; their homeworld is a human colony; and they are not as of 2405 recognized as a sapient species.

Beyond this, I'm not at liberty to say yet.

Ooooooooooooo. I hope that implies what I hope it implies. n_n

Redneck (besides, it was a silly toss-off line anyway)

Well, yeah. I just happen to be a major Pocket Monster fan (though, to tell the truth, I'm more interested in the potential of the world than its game or show incarnations; <plug>visit PokeMUSH: Pokemon Evolutions, a MUSH I staff at, for a treatment of the subject that isn't aimed at ten-year-olds</plug>), and I'd love to see a treatment of the material by an Eyrie author. (Well, a respectful treatment; let's not go skeet-shooting the Clefairies, okay?)

--Zenigame (Use the Jigglypuffs. Evil unholy spawn of Clefairies they are.)


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4. "RE: Call for Questions re: CFMF/Redneck"
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   >Redneck's marriage to Washuu and their adoption of Wapiko.

Redneck and Washuu were married in June, 2399, in a very large and chaotic ceremony which is tenatively slated for a story, "The Wedding from Niflheim." Unfortunately, that project is -so- outdated at present, I'd have to start over from scratch...

Anyway, Wapiko is Redneck's and Washuu's first child of their union, born March 2, 2400. She is NOT ADOPTED.

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30. "RE: Call for Questions re: CFMF/Redneck"
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   >>Redneck's marriage to Washuu and their adoption of Wapiko.
>
>Redneck and Washuu were married in June, 2399, in a very large and
>chaotic ceremony which is tenatively slated for a story, "The Wedding
>from Niflheim." Unfortunately, that project is -so- outdated at
>present, I'd have to start over from scratch...
>
>Anyway, Wapiko is Redneck's and Washuu's first child of their union,
>born March 2, 2400. She is NOT ADOPTED.
>

Ok... But I thought you said something to the effect of "what planet did you find her on" to Washuu in WLG... Oh Wait. NOW I get it. Its the same sort of thing like my folks used to do when us kids were missbehaving.

"Dear, who are these strange children and why are they sitting with us?"

I jsut realised something else. Whyen Wapiko grows into her own, and quite possibly takes over as head of the CFMF, its going to give "Sound Goldfish Warning" a WHOLE new meaning!!!!!


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37. "RE: Call for Questions re: CFMF/Redneck"
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   >>>Redneck's marriage to Washuu and their adoption of Wapiko.
>>
>>Redneck and Washuu were married in June, 2399, in a very large and
>>chaotic ceremony which is tenatively slated for a story, "The Wedding
>>from Niflheim." Unfortunately, that project is -so- outdated at
>>present, I'd have to start over from scratch...
>>
>>Anyway, Wapiko is Redneck's and Washuu's first child of their union,
>>born March 2, 2400. She is NOT ADOPTED.
>>
>
>Ok... But I thought you said something to the effect of "what planet
>did you find her on" to Washuu in WLG... Oh Wait. NOW I get it. Its
>the same sort of thing like my folks used to do when us kids were
>missbehaving.
>
>"Dear, who are these strange children and why are they sitting with
>us?"

No, it's not like that at all. Wapiko's on a totally different mental wavelength than everybody else; she lives, in the Descartean sense, in her own little universe where things are mostly sunny and happy and friendly, or could be with a little work.

>I jsut realised something else. Whyen Wapiko grows into her own, and
>quite possibly takes over as head of the CFMF, its going to give
>"Sound Goldfish Warning" a WHOLE new meaning!!!!!

Uh-uh. Wapiko is -so- uninterested in the military it doesn't bear speaking of. She never, ever wants to hurt anybody, if she can help it. Accidents don't count.

Redneck

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3. "RE: Call for Questions re: CFMF/Redneck"
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   My brain isn't working in a manner that lets me call upon anything specific, at the moment, but there's plenty of loose threads in Wilderness you could build on.


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6. "RE: Call for Questions re: CFMF/Redneck"
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   >My brain isn't working in a manner that lets me call upon anything
>specific, at the moment, but there's plenty of loose threads in
>Wilderness you could build on.

Quite a lot, indeed. There are, or were, two stories which I intend to fulfill some of those loose threads, eventually.

Dr. Kisugi's daughters and the Starlight project, Doubledealer, May Azland, and Captain Jonathan Diggers' son and his girlfriend make up the main characters of a project entitled 'Semper Liberis' for the moment. However, aside from one tiny viginette I practically stole from Bob Asprin, I've felt no urge to write it.

Coach Aya Nakajima has a supporting role in the other one, which has been virtually stalled for two years now, entitled 'Elements of Command.' I've got a full chapter handwritten in one of the notebooks I use for a ledger on convention trips, and sometime I might actually transfer that to the computer.

As for the /THEN parts of Wilderness, most of those do not make story hooks so much as they help show what the Redneck was doing between 2006 and 2388, which was their purpose.

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8. "RE: Call for Questions re: CFMF/Redneck"
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   Question:

Just how much Tylenol will Redneck consume during the time Justy Ueki Tylor commands a vessel?

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9. "RE: Call for Questions re: CFMF/Redneck"
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   LAST EDITED ON Sep-05-01 AT 01:12 PM (EDT)

Hmmm...

Well, I'd like to hear more about the CFMF following The conquest of Zardon. I mean, Miles Nasmith had a lot of start up problems that Red avoided or at least we haven't heard about.

Also, there's the whole thing about being freespacers. Do the Freespacers have an arch rivals (eg WDF v Genom). How does Redneck become the Galatica Assembly representative?

Also, how did Washu get her TV show?

You've some manticorans on your staff, how did they get there?

Hell, how did _Aral Vorkosigan_ become a freespacer. That's gotta be a good story. Do Cordelia and Miles exist?

Part of the Freespace constitution is the asylumn. What happens when planetary governments go after the freespacers?

Have the freespacers ever fought the Gamilions?

What was it like for Washu to teach on Tomodachi?

What did Washu do after Sonset?

What other adventures did Kris go on during his "walkabout?"

Does Kris ever visit New Texas?

How did the Olympus adventure end? We know kris escaped/was released, but that's it. What's the real story behind the disolution of the US, the creation of Olympus, and the Texas Republic?

Hell, what's the deal with Jeremy Freeple and Leeana?


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11. "RE: Call for Questions re: CFMF/Redneck"
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Wow, there are a LOT of questions here. I'll try to field as many of these as I can...

>Well, I'd like to hear more about the CFMF following The conquest of
>Zardon. I mean, Miles Nasmith had a lot of start up problems that Red
>avoided or at least we haven't heard about.

Unlike the Miles Naismith of the Vorkosigan-verse (to distinguish from his UF counterpart), the CFMF had no difficulty regarding income. The combination of licensing fees from RebelTech weapons designs and siezed contraband from blockades of Zardon worlds allowed the Freespacers to expand their military force through the end of the conflict, after which they contracted with the Salusian crown for a very lucrative ten-year contract.

Shortly after that contract expired, the Greub Pretendership arose, leading to en eighteen-month period during which a combination of WDF, Centauri and CFMF ships and personnel were employed in the massive reorganization of the entire Salusian military. This incident revealed the CFMF's lack of strength in heavy ships- it possessed only two cruisers, and nothing heavier, at this point in time. In response, the fleet began a massive effort in researching shipbuilding designs which would allow the CFMF to maintain its hit-and-run specialty with larger vessels.

In 2026, two of the Freespacers' new ships of the line were hijacked from drydock by partisans of the exiled Zardon Empress Dowager Malificent. These ships formed the core of the potent fleet which opposed a combined CFMF, WDF, Zardon Republic and Salusian Empire battle force in the two-year War for the Imperial Restoration. This war demonstrated both flaws and advantages in the new designs, and refinements were made as expansion was placed on hold. Fewer than twenty new ships, most of them corvettes, were commissioned in the CFMF between 2030 and 2098.

The second great building expansion came about as a consequence of the Sixth Great Kilrathi War (2098, 2100-2117), during which the CFMF managed not to lose a single ship despite -massive- damage and casualties. It is from this period that the tradition of rebuilding all Freespacer ships- no matter how damaged- solidified. In the century which followed, all the old Freespacer ships were refitted or rebuilt from the keel up, and another fifty ships were commissioned. In 2199, CFMF Tinker (CFF-100) was launched, the fleet's first battlecruiser, and the fleet stood at its then-peak strength of 103 capital ships.

The century that followed, however, was not nearly as rosy. Heavy targeted competition from companies such as GENOM's BudgetArms division and Corellian Engineering Corporation's YT-2000 line of freighters heavily undercut RebelTech Industries' sales, and thus the CFMF's financial base. The problem was exacerbated by the gradual expansion of the WDF and the general peace (with occasional flare-ups) which reigned for most of the 23rd Century. Finally, the Tinker's design proved buggier than all its predecessors (only to be expected, since the Tinker had three times the crew requirements and six times the mass of any other Freespacer-built warship of the time). As a result, not only did the fleet not expand, but it -decommissioned- one ship and, shortly after the sinking of SDF-17 Wayward Son, it lost another one when its captain turned pirate.

The Exile period found the CFMF's ships growing obsolescent due to lack of refits, its financial underpinnings unraveling, and its morale at its lowest ebb. Throughout the period, the fleet fought not only attacks from enemy star empires and pirates, but also financial wars in the board-rooms and stock exchanges and confused markets of the unravelling Galactica. With significant support from Salusia, it managed all of this with great success, and although less-than-covert opposition from GENOM prevented them from further expanding the fleet, by 2388 the CFMF was in the best morale, manpower, and financial situation it had ever known.

Boy, did it need it.

After Zeta Cygni II, the Freespacers had, of their original fleet, CFMF Camelot, CFMF Valiant, CFMF West Side Story, CFMF T'Pau, and CFMF Confederacy. The introduction of the "Gift Fleet" made up of surplus WDF and captured GENOM ships acted as a stopgap until the Freespacers could build new ships of their own design, but their presence and continued use mandated an expansion beyond RebelTech designs. Starting in 2389, the CFMF began serious purchasing of newly constructed ships from Utopia Planitia, Kuat Drive Yards, and Corellian Engineering, in addition to recruiting from smaller mercenary fleets. By 2394 the CFMF once more numbered over a hundred warships, averaging four times the tonnage and guns of its previous incarnation, and by 2406 it had doubled that number again, making it (after the WDF, GENOM MILARM, UFP Starfleet, and Salusian Royal Navy) the fifth largest starfleet in the Federation.

During the history of the CFMF, its civilian arm has grown massively. In 2005 ten civilian ships were already either owned by RebelTech or pledged allegiance to the Confederate Freespacers Alliance. Ten years later that number had grown to fifty. In 2405 the number of active ships registered with the Alliance (CFA-XXXX) was well over three thousand, with a further thousand inactive for various reasons (destroyed, sold, decommissioned, etc.). The population of the Freespacer nation likewise grew, especially during times of chaos and unrest; about 1,000 in 2005, 12,000 in 2015, 100,000 in 2100, 500,000 in 2200, over 1 million by 2300, 1.5 million by 2380, and over 2 million by 2400.

>Also, there's the whole thing about being freespacers. Do the
>Freespacers have an arch rivals (eg WDF v Genom). How does Redneck
>become the Galatica Assembly representative?

There are many smaller mercenary fleets which come and go through history which look with envy and mistrust at the CFMF... mostly because the CFMF tends to steal their 'best and brightest.' There is also a friendly rivalry between WDF and CFMF, and after the founding of the Federation a -much less- friendly rivalry between the UFP Starfleet and CFMF. After 2368, Earth government (except for the Republic of Texas and the Principality of Zanzibar) is quietly hostile to the CFMF, and after the Psi Act passes this hostility is reciprocated.

The United Galactica was originally an alliance between the Salusian and Corellian star empires and lesser powers against their shared foes (Zardon and Kilrah, and occasionally the Klingons). It was not a true galactic-level governing body until the reforms of 2099 made it so. The Freespacer nation, which had not been part of the defense alliance's decision-making body, was a charter member of the new Galactica Accords, and as such was seated in the first meeting of the new Galactica Assembly.

However, the Galactica Assembly had HUNDREDS of ambassadors in it, and as such its gears moved slowly, slowly indeed. In 2132, when the then-head-of-state of the Freespacers could not find anyone willing to represent the Freespacers in the Assembly, he put the touch on the Redneck, who was not to find his own replacement until 2202. Virtually the only legislation of note he put forward in those seventy years that passed was the Proto-Sapients Act, which gave protection for those sapient species which, due to morphology, level of intelligence or other conditions, could be abused by other races.

>Also, how did Washu get her TV show?

The Freespacers began an entertainment network and production company as part of the Zardon Civil War; it continued on after the war. "Washuu's Lab" is the only show the Freespacers produced in the 24th Century to achieve galaxy-wide popularity.

>You've some manticorans on your staff, how did they get there?

Star Kingdom of Manticore, two systems/four worlds/three stars, Enigma Sector, settled from Earth c. 2030. Not a Federation member world, but one of the twenty or so tiny independencies which huddle in the nebulae and gravitic anomalies of Enigma Sector.

>Hell, how did _Aral Vorkosigan_ become a freespacer. That's gotta be
>a good story. Do Cordelia and Miles exist?

Barrayaran Star Empire, three systems of one world each, Enigma Sector bordering the Cardassian Regime, settled c. 2040. Barrayar lost contact with the rest of the galaxy when three black holes converged around Barrayar's primary in close enough proximity (3 LY) to render hyperspace passage through the Barrayaran nebula impossible and warp transit almost suicidal. The black holes had too much velocity to remain in this conjunction for very long, and eventually they separated enough to allow passage along a narrow corridor to the corporate-owned border colony of Komarr. This passage was discovered by a WDF scout in the 2270s.

Not long after the Son's demise, GENOM took over control of Komarr; shortly after this, when GENOM failed to gain a solid foothold in Barrayar's economy or political structure (despite a 200-year Dark Age), the corporation invited Cardassia to invade Barrayar in exchange for certain economic considerations. The twenty-year long Cardassian Incursion which followed ended with ignominous defeat for the Cardassians, engineered in no small part by one Piotr Vorkosigan. A generation later (2363), a modernized Barrayarran Imperial Service force under the overall command of Piotr's son Aral practically walked into possession of Komarr, having nullified Komarr's defenses almost without a fight.

A large part of the ease of the conquest was due to Aral Vorkosigan's pledge of amnesty for the colony's board of directors. This pledge was violated by an officer of the Ministry of Political Information, who ordered the board executed. Aral responded by killing the officer with his bare hands, leading to a serious clash of political wills between the Council of Counts, the Political Ministry, and the Emperor himself. The net result was that Aral was stripped of rank and title and exiled from Barrayar; out of respect for his father, the hero of the Cardassian occupation, his bloodline was not attainted, and thus any male offspring he would have would succeed Piotr as Count.

Aral ended up with the Freespacers, who had been Barrayar's allies in the Komarr conquest only to sever ties after the 'Solstice Massacre.' As captain of the CFMF Grant, he became acquainted with an expatriate from Beta Colony, Cordelia Naismith. In 2368 Aral commanded the forces which repulsed the attempted Barrayaran invasion of Escobar; shortly after this he and Cordelia were married. They have two sons as of 2388, one by adoption and one by birth.

There are more details, but they make up a LOT of 'Elements of Command,' so this is all you get for now.

>Part of the Freespace constitution is the asylumn. What happens when
>planetary governments go after the freespacers?

Not a lot. Only the Zardon Republic's Department of Justice and the Earth Alliance do not respect the Freespacer pledge of amnesty, and both of these are a result of incidents in the 2360s.

>Have the freespacers ever fought the Gamilions?

Yes, during their brief war against Earth. The small Gamilon expatriate community in the Freespacer Alliance dates from just after that war.

>What was it like for Washu to teach on Tomodachi?

Humbling.

>What did Washu do after Sonset?

As is alluded to in Wilderness, Washuu spent the entire 23rd Century watching after Redneck's affairs, including a term of office as chief of state of the Freespacer nation. After Sonset she took on an apprentice and provided an occasional service to Lt. Cdr. Martin Rose's group of WDF officers, which became "ThunderForce".

>What other adventures did Kris go on during his "walkabout?"

Quite a few, but none has come to mind that I care to write. One of my toss-off jokes is that there's three years of it I'll -never- write, because that's where we put the series we don't want in UF.

>Does Kris ever visit New Texas?

Frequently.

>How did the Olympus adventure end? We know kris escaped/was released,
>but that's it. What's the real story behind the disolution of the US,
>the creation of Olympus, and the Texas Republic?

Okay, this part is more fluid and subject to change than the rest, but:

Nobody won Earth's Third World War, but the USA was a bigger loser than many. For about twenty years the nations of Earth struggled to rebuild their nations and resist the climactic changes the mid-level nuclear exchange had triggered. Vast amounts of tax money went into dikes for the larger coastal cities, anti-radioactivity cleanup, and global cooling efforts. As a result, the world's economy went into the crapper as people sacrificed their standard of living in exchange for maintaining the planet's viability.

The general dissatisfaction of the people of Earth with the situation, and the lack of a United Nations governing body to mediate disputes, led to small border wars and insurrections, and then finally a series of conventional wars which are collectively called the Fourth World War. Canada bailed out Russia's economy, and the two nations effectively merged; Mexico suffered a series of revolutions, resulting in the Golden Empire of Mexico; and California, its state government bankrupted beyond reclamation, was effectively bought by GENOM and seceded to form the California Corporate Free State.

The United States government, bordering on bankruptcy itself, decided to allow California to go in peace; most of the southern USA, in reaction seceded to defend what it called 'the empire of democracy.' Imperial Americana promptly declared war on California, and the USA, Canada and Russia declared war on the Americana, and other wars popped up here and there, and it took ten years of constant war before things settled down.

In the aftermath of the Fourth World War, a little-known organization named Olympus announced its intention to assume duties as representative of a United Earth to the galactic community and to serve as a meeting-place for diplomats from all the warring nations. Although this offer was accepted in principle, in practice Olympus had very little real authority until the 2370s. It was not able to stop the wars completely, although it -did- break up the alliance of Canada, Russia and the rump USA.

By 2320 Imperial Americana had achieved stalemate with the USA, but only at the cost of heavy indebtedness to GENOM. GENOM essentially controlled Imperial Americana from this point onwards, using the nation to put pressure on Olympus on the diplomatic front and the rump USA on the military front. Any efforts not directed towards these two goals in specific, or GENOM's eventual conquest of Earth in general, were given very low priority.

The capital of Imperial Americana is Austin, Texas; thus that state, or at least its major cities, was of primary importance to them. Being in the interior, however, it was not given much in the way of police forces or defenses against the bandit bands and large animals which roamed its rural areas. In the 2350s, Imperial Americana fought a very short, very decisive war with Mexico, which restored the Valley of Mexico to its prior status as a lake, and a lake which glowed in the dark at that. With its southern border emphatically secured, Imperial Americana stripped Texas of troops for its main battle line along the Ohio and Potomac Rivers.

As a result, the interior badlands of the IA, and of Texas especially, became almost uninhabitable due to bandit and predator dangers. In 2362 a couple of counties in eastern Texas hired a small group of Freespacer mercenaries to help put down bandits in the area. Imperial Americana responded by ordering the deaths of all the officials and their families, and the police force became a guerrilla army dedicated to protecting their homes from the IA's misgovernment.

Over the following five years, the small army grew, organizing and equipping as its influence spread over the area. In 2367, they finally began kicking the IA entirely out of the eastern portion of Texas. The captures of Beaumont and Lufkin, and the interception of IA army payrolls, enabled the army to hire spacegoing elements of the CFMF to interdict IA aerospace traffic. By the end of that year, the IA air forces had ceased to exist.

Threatened at its very heart, the IA managed to shake loose two armies from its ongoing war with the USA in an attempt to crush the newborn Republic of Texas through numbers. Through heavy support from the CFMF, the Texas army fought one army to a standstill along the Trinity River, eventually making its position untenable; then, moving its entire force across its small territory, it cut off another army twice its size from its lines of supply and forced its surrender.

These battles secured the Republic's ongoing existence, especially as the two defeats allowed the Texas army to take Houston almost intact. They also put the IA at a severe disadavantage against the USA, as the latter made serious advances into IA-held territory. Desperate to stave off a total unravelling of its position on Earth, GENOM used its client nations' influence (California, IA, and the Holy Republic of Munma) to sever diplomatic ties with the Freespacers and engineer the CFMF's exit from the war. From this point until the Corporate Wars of 2388, Imperial Americana remained on the defensive, unable to reclaim the bits and pieces of Texas and Louisiana which fell into the Republic's hands.

After the war, Olympus was replaced by the Earth Alliance. Imperial Americana, which had surrendered to GENOM without a shot, was for the most part reunited with the USA. The Republic of Texas took control of its historic territory, plus Oklahoma and the southwestern corner of Louisiana, and became one of three Earth nations which did not join the Earth Alliance.

>Hell, what's the deal with Jeremy Freeple and Leeana?

She has the hots for him; at some point between 2005 and 2015, she was able to consummate whatever relationship they have together.

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12. "RE: Call for Questions re: CFMF/Redneck"
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>
>Any other questions?
>
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I have one. How... in the name of PHACK... do you -remember- all of that?!?!
I'm deeply envious B-) The fact that you paint a remarkably clear and detailed textbook overview of your corner of UF points to you having that picture in the first place, something I dearly wish I had the brainspace for.

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>>Any other questions?

>I have one. How... in the name of PHACK... do you -remember- all of
>that?!?!

I keep notes. A -lot- of notes.

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13. "RE: Call for Questions re: CFMF/Redneck"
In response to message #11
 
   NOw reading that was better than a mocha frapacino and a cherry turover. that's for starting my morning the right way.

>There are many smaller mercenary fleets which come and go through
>history which look with envy and mistrust at the CFMF... mostly
>because the CFMF tends to steal their 'best and brightest.' There is
>also a friendly rivalry between WDF and CFMF, and after the founding
>of the Federation a -much less- friendly rivalry between the UFP
>Starfleet and CFMF.

Can you go into more detail here? Clearly this problem exists before the defrocking of Aya.


>After 2368, Earth government (except for the
>Republic of Texas and the Principality of Zanzibar) is quietly hostile
>to the CFMF, and after the Psi Act passes this hostility is
>reciprocated.

Why is there hostility? Is it a carry over from the liberation of Texas? Also,
I take it that with the Psi Act Earthdome operatives will try to inflitrate the CFA and CFMF. Are CFA citizens covered by the same protections as CFMF personnel?

>However, the Galactica Assembly had HUNDREDS of ambassadors in it, and
>as such its gears moved slowly, slowly indeed. In 2132, when the
>then-head-of-state of the Freespacers could not find anyone willing to
>represent the Freespacers in the Assembly, he put the touch on the
>Redneck, who was not to find his own replacement until 2202. Virtually
>the only legislation of note he put forward in those seventy years
>that passed was the Proto-Sapients Act, which gave protection for
>those sapient species which, due to morphology, level of intelligence
>or other conditions, could be abused by other races.

Nani? Can we have some examples. For example Jigglypuffs aren't covered by this. Neither is Dorothy, but than again, some people don't cosider her sapient.

>The Freespacers began an entertainment network and production company
>as part of the Zardon Civil War; it continued on after the war.
>"Washuu's Lab" is the only show the Freespacers produced in the 24th
>Century to achieve galaxy-wide popularity.

Dare I ask what other shows were part of the CFN lineup?

>Star Kingdom of Manticore, two systems/four worlds/three stars, Enigma
>Sector, settled from Earth c. 2030. Not a Federation member world, but
>
>Barrayaran Star Empire, three systems of one world each, Enigma Sector
>bordering the Cardassian Regime, settled c. 2040.

Fascinating. If both Barrayar and Manticore are in the Enigma sector, wouldn't they be in competition? Oooh, I'd pay to see _that_ war.

Second, isn't there a problem with your numbers?

Manticore has (in DW's version) 1 system, three worlds (Manticore, Gryphon, and Sphinx). Barrayar prior to LB's meeting between Cordelia and Aral has two systems two worlds (Barrayar and Komarr).

Have you decided to (a) add more worlds and systems for the heck of it. (b) include the systems of Trevor's Star and Sergyar in your UF versions?

Also, I noticed the lack of discussion on Manticore. Is this because you don't what DW's men in black to hunt you down? Just curious.

>Not long after the Son's demise, GENOM took over control of Komarr;
>shortly after this, when GENOM failed to gain a solid foothold in
>Barrayar's economy or political structure (despite a 200-year Dark
>Age), the corporation invited Cardassia to invade Barrayar in exchange
>for certain economic considerations. The twenty-year long Cardassian
>Incursion which followed ended with ignominous defeat for the
>Cardassians, engineered in no small part by one Piotr Vorkosigan. A
>generation later (2363), a modernized Barrayarran Imperial Service
>force under the overall command of Piotr's son Aral practically walked
>into possession of Komarr, having nullified Komarr's defenses almost
>without a fight.

What a cool alternative history. I am awed.

>The net result was that Aral was stripped of rank and title
>and exiled from Barrayar; out of respect for his father, the hero of
>the Cardassian occupation, his bloodline was not attainted, and thus
>any male offspring he would have would succeed Piotr as Count.

Ezar must have been feeling generous. Nifty.

>There are more details, but they make up a LOT of 'Elements of
>Command,' so this is all you get for now.

I'll hold my expressions of glee and nitpicking until then.

>Not a lot. Only the Zardon Republic's Department of Justice and the
>Earth Alliance do not respect the Freespacer pledge of amnesty, and
>both of these are a result of incidents in the 2360s.

What happened???? I don't recall anything significant and your history doesn't seem to indicate what could have been the problem.


>Yes, during their brief war against Earth. The small Gamilon
>expatriate community in the Freespacer Alliance dates from just after
>that war.

Whose brief war? Gamilon v. Earth of CFMF v. Earth?


>>What was it like for Washu to teach on Tomodachi?
>
>Humbling.

<grin> I thought Skuld didn't go to school.


>As is alluded to in Wilderness, Washuu spent the entire 23rd Century
>watching after Redneck's affairs, including a term of office as chief
>of state of the Freespacer nation. After Sonset she took on an
>apprentice and provided an occasional service to Lt. Cdr. Martin
>Rose's group of WDF officers, which became "ThunderForce".

Like what? Did some one need an atomic wedgie?


>Quite a few, but none has come to mind that I care to write. One of my
>toss-off jokes is that there's three years of it I'll -never- write,
>because that's where we put the series we don't want in UF.

<grin> I knew it had to be in there somewhere. I won't ask.


>The United States government, bordering on bankruptcy itself, decided
>to allow California to go in peace; most of the southern USA, in
>reaction seceded to defend what it called 'the empire of democracy.'
>Imperial Americana promptly declared war on California, and the USA,
>Canada and Russia declared war on the Americana, and other wars popped
>up here and there, and it took ten years of constant war before things
>settled down.

When did the Third world war occur? Why didn't the WDF intervene?


>In the 2350s, Imperial Americana fought a very
>short, very decisive war with Mexico, which restored the Valley of
>Mexico to its prior status as a lake, and a lake which glowed in the
>dark at that. With its southern border emphatically secured, Imperial
>Americana stripped Texas of troops for its main battle line along the
>Ohio and Potomac Rivers.

Damn, it's Chapultepec Castle all over again. Damn you Yankees!


>Desperate to
>stave off a total unravelling of its position on Earth, GENOM used its
>client nations' influence (California, IA, and the Holy Republic of
>Munma) to sever diplomatic ties with the Freespacers and engineer the
>CFMF's exit from the war.

How did that happen? IS it tied to the rise of Olympus?

>The Republic of Texas took control of
>its historic territory, plus Oklahoma and the southwestern corner of
>Louisiana, and became one of three Earth nations which did not join
>the Earth Alliance.

We know Zanzibar is one. Who is the other?

Thanks for the explanations,
t.

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14. "RE: Call for Questions re: CFMF/Redneck"
In response to message #13
 
   >NOw reading that was better than a mocha frapacino and a cherry
>turover. that's for starting my morning the right way.
>
>>There are many smaller mercenary fleets which come and go through
>>history which look with envy and mistrust at the CFMF... mostly
>>because the CFMF tends to steal their 'best and brightest.' There is
>>also a friendly rivalry between WDF and CFMF, and after the founding
>>of the Federation a -much less- friendly rivalry between the UFP
>>Starfleet and CFMF.
>
>Can you go into more detail here? Clearly this problem exists before
>the defrocking of Aya.

It goes back to the IA-Texas campaigns of 2368, as below. Although technically a joint effort between all its member worlds, the UFP Starfleet is predominantly human in makeup and leadership... and prejudices.

Starfleet doesn't have any love for -any- mercenary service, including the Wedge Defense Force... but they -really- aren't overfond of a certain fleet which humiliated the then-tiny Earth defenses in 2368.

>I take it that with the Psi Act Earthdome operatives will try to
>inflitrate the CFA and CFMF. Are CFA citizens covered by the same
>protections as CFMF personnel?

It greatly depends on the situation. However, the CFMF has denied the Psi Corps any access or authority on CFMF vessels, on the grounds that the Psi Act is (in the CFMF leadership's eyes) a violation of the Articles of Federation.

Since there are several psi-active species with large representation in the Freespacer population (Vulcans and Daleks having been mentioned in released text), the number of Psi Corps operatives active on Freespacer ships is pretty small, to the point that in ten years of the Psi Act no Freespacer national has -ever- been detained by the Psi Corps.

>> Virtually
>>the only legislation of note he put forward in those seventy years
>>that passed was the Proto-Sapients Act, which gave protection for
>>those sapient species which, due to morphology, level of intelligence
>>or other conditions, could be abused by other races.
>
>Nani? Can we have some examples. For example Jigglypuffs aren't
>covered by this. Neither is Dorothy, but than again, some people
>don't cosider her sapient.

The Turing Accords pre-dated the P-S Act; I'm not certain, but I think they might even predate the WDF.

The P-S Act was written with a specific species in mind, Zarathustran Fuzzies. Also covered were species such as Sphinxian treecats. More detail on this, and on any application to Pokemon, is for someone else to tell.

>>The Freespacers began an entertainment network and production company
>>as part of the Zardon Civil War; it continued on after the war.
>>"Washuu's Lab" is the only show the Freespacers produced in the 24th
>>Century to achieve galaxy-wide popularity.
>
>Dare I ask what other shows were part of the CFN lineup?

A few examples of shows running concurrent with "Washuu's Lab" produced by CFN: "Smuggler's Blues" - a drama about blockade-runners; "The Narn, The Centauri, and Margaret Moore" - sitcom about three unlikely roommates; "For the Money" - yet another docudrama about past CFMF engagements; and "Apogee" - a soap opera about families on an orbital habitat. Of the samples, none lasted more than three seasons; NCMM never broadcasted seven of the thirteen episodes taped.

In UF, as a general rule, Freespacer television is about as popular among Federation citizens as Welsh television is among inhabitants of Great Britain.

>>Star Kingdom of Manticore, two systems/four worlds/three stars, Enigma
>>Sector, settled from Earth c. 2030. Not a Federation member world, but
>>
>>Barrayaran Star Empire, three systems of one world each, Enigma Sector
>>bordering the Cardassian Regime, settled c. 2040.
>
>Fascinating. If both Barrayar and Manticore are in the Enigma sector,
>wouldn't they be in competition? Oooh, I'd pay to see _that_ war.

First, a sector is a cube hundreds of light-years on a side. It's not a small place.

Second, thanks to the space-warping effects of Enigma's many, many, many black holes, gravity waves, and other anomalies, Enigma is much larger on the inside than it is on the outside.

>Second, isn't there a problem with your numbers?
>
>Manticore has (in DW's version) 1 system, three worlds (Manticore,
>Gryphon, and Sphinx). Barrayar prior to LB's meeting between Cordelia
>and Aral has two systems two worlds (Barrayar and Komarr).
>
>Have you decided to (a) add more worlds and systems for the heck of
>it. (b) include the systems of Trevor's Star and Sergyar in your UF
>versions?

(b) is close. You are neglecting the Basilisk System in Manticore's case, and Sergyar was recognized as Barrayaran territory in the peace which ended the Escobar war. I don't think there's a Trevor's Star in UF, as Hoffman fits its role just as well.

>Also, I noticed the lack of discussion on Manticore. Is this because
>you don't what DW's men in black to hunt you down? Just curious.

No, it's because Manticore in UF is someone else's to tell about, if at all.

In any case, I wasn't aware that David Weber was opposed to fanfics.

>>The net result was that Aral was stripped of rank and title
>>and exiled from Barrayar; out of respect for his father, the hero of
>>the Cardassian occupation, his bloodline was not attainted, and thus
>>any male offspring he would have would succeed Piotr as Count.
>
>Ezar must have been feeling generous. Nifty.

I'm not allowed to say what was going through Ezar's mind, but generosity wasn't it. }:-{D

>>Not a lot. Only the Zardon Republic's Department of Justice and the
>>Earth Alliance do not respect the Freespacer pledge of amnesty, and
>>both of these are a result of incidents in the 2360s.
>
>What happened???? I don't recall anything significant and your
>history doesn't seem to indicate what could have been the problem.

The Zardon Judges' revocation is tied up with someone else's possible story, if it is ever written.

>>Yes, during their brief war against Earth. The small Gamilon
>>expatriate community in the Freespacer Alliance dates from just after
>>that war.
>
>Whose brief war? Gamilon v. Earth of CFMF v. Earth?

More like Gamilon v. Earth/CFMF/others, but again the details are another's to tell if they choose to.

>>>What was it like for Washu to teach on Tomodachi?
>>
>>Humbling.
>
><grin> I thought Skuld didn't go to school.

Skuld was around; that was sufficient.

>>As is alluded to in Wilderness, Washuu spent the entire 23rd Century
>>watching after Redneck's affairs, including a term of office as chief
>>of state of the Freespacer nation. After Sonset she took on an
>>apprentice and provided an occasional service to Lt. Cdr. Martin
>>Rose's group of WDF officers, which became "ThunderForce".
>
>Like what? Did some one need an atomic wedgie?

Possibly. Not my story to tell, at this time.

>>The United States government, bordering on bankruptcy itself, decided
>>to allow California to go in peace; most of the southern USA, in
>>reaction seceded to defend what it called 'the empire of democracy.'
>>Imperial Americana promptly declared war on California, and the USA,
>>Canada and Russia declared war on the Americana, and other wars popped
>>up here and there, and it took ten years of constant war before things
>>settled down.
>
>When did the Third world war occur? Why didn't the WDF intervene?

The Third World War, if memory serves, began almost immediately after the demise of the Wayward Son.

>>In the 2350s, Imperial Americana fought a very
>>short, very decisive war with Mexico, which restored the Valley of
>>Mexico to its prior status as a lake, and a lake which glowed in the
>>dark at that. With its southern border emphatically secured, Imperial
>>Americana stripped Texas of troops for its main battle line along the
>>Ohio and Potomac Rivers.
>
>Damn, it's Chapultepec Castle all over again. Damn you Yankees!

If you want to be technical, it was the Confederacy (sort of) what dunnit. }:-{D

>>Desperate to
>>stave off a total unravelling of its position on Earth, GENOM used its
>>client nations' influence (California, IA, and the Holy Republic of
>>Munma) to sever diplomatic ties with the Freespacers and engineer the
>>CFMF's exit from the war.
>
>How did that happen? IS it tied to the rise of Olympus?

No. Olympus had been in action for some thirty to fifty years before this.

However, California and Imperial Americana possessed strong enough economies to influence Olympus, and the Holy Republic of Munma held the balance of power in the Middle East, and as such they had serious political clout when combined. (The combination is ironic, since Imperial Americana's subsidies were the only thing sustaining the existence of Israel at that point...)

>>The Republic of Texas took control of
>>its historic territory, plus Oklahoma and the southwestern corner of
>>Louisiana, and became one of three Earth nations which did not join
>>the Earth Alliance.
>
>We know Zanzibar is one. Who is the other?

The Argentine Empire.

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16. "RE: Call for Questions re: CFMF/Redneck"
In response to message #14
 
   >Starfleet doesn't have any love for -any- mercenary service, including
>the Wedge Defense Force... but they -really- aren't overfond of a
>certain fleet which humiliated the then-tiny Earth defenses in 2368.

As they say, cool. I always thought Star Fleet was run by a bunch of chumps.
(yes this means I like Kirk better than Picard)

>It greatly depends on the situation. However, the CFMF has denied the
>Psi Corps any access or authority on CFMF vessels, on the grounds that
>the Psi Act is (in the CFMF leadership's eyes) a violation of the
>Articles of Federation.

Hmmm! Is there an Intergalatic court to settle those sorts of disputes?

>The P-S Act was written with a specific species in mind, Zarathustran
>Fuzzies. Also covered were species such as Sphinxian treecats. More
>detail on this, and on any application to Pokemon, is for someone else
>to tell.

Oh, my god. Someone has actually referenced the Fuzzies. Oh, like so amazingly cool. H. Beam Piper is smiling out there somewhere. Your avatar rocks.


>Of the samples, none lasted more than three seasons;
>NCMM never broadcasted seven of the thirteen episodes taped.

For which we will all remain eternally grateful.


>In UF, as a general rule, Freespacer television is about as popular
>among Federation citizens as Welsh television is among inhabitants of
>Great Britain.

<snicker>

>Second, thanks to the space-warping effects of Enigma's many, many,
>many black holes, gravity waves, and other anomalies, Enigma is much
>larger on the inside than it is on the outside.

Ah well, it was a thought. A bad one mind you...


>(b) is close. You are neglecting the Basilisk System in Manticore's
>case, and Sergyar was recognized as Barrayaran territory in the peace
>which ended the Escobar war. I don't think there's a Trevor's Star in
>UF, as Hoffman fits its role just as well.

Doh! I kinda forgot Basilisk.


>In any case, I wasn't aware that David Weber was opposed to fanfics.

Alas, he is. Violently. Well, not violently, but definitly legally. If you check out Cynthia Gonslaves (yes she exists) FAQ, there is a nasty bit of legal threats in there to any aspiring fan fic writers. From what I read, referencing manticore is not a problem. Playing with his characters on the other hand...let's just say you'd rather have gone up with Cordelia Ransom.

I don't agree with him, but an 800 lb NYT bestseller writer does what ever he likes.


>The Zardon Judges' revocation is tied up with someone else's possible
>story, if it is ever written.

Hmm, there seems to be a lot of that going around. I am intrigued.


>>Damn, it's Chapultepec Castle all over again. Damn you Yankees!
>
>If you want to be technical, it was the Confederacy (sort of) what
>dunnit. }:-{D


yeah, I know, but then I would have said "Damn Dixies!" which sounds like I'm cursing a country and western group. Or I could have said "Damn John Rebs!" but that sounded stupid.

I was actually mocking a bad scene in "Once Upon a Time in China" where the poorly dubbed voice of the british commander says (in syncopation with his mouth) "Damn you Yankees!" at some US solider with a bad, bad southern accent.

>(The combination is ironic, since
>Imperial Americana's subsidies were the only thing sustaining the
>existence of Israel at that point...)

I love it.

>The Argentine Empire.

Now that's disturbing....


t.

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17. "RE: Call for Questions re: CFMF/Redneck"
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   LAST EDITED ON Sep-06-01 AT 05:37 PM (EDT)

http://members.home.net/cynthia1960/weberfaq.html is a link to a (circa) 1999 FAQ about David Weber (whoever he is). I get the impression that he doesn't mind fanfic, he just wants to be sure he doesn't see it. I could be wrong, though.

Pardon the edits, link didn't work

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18. "RE: Call for Questions re: CFMF/Redneck"
In response to message #17
 
   >http://members.home.net/cynthia1960/weberfaq.html is a link to a
>(circa) 1999 FAQ about David Weber (whoever he is). I get the
>impression that he doesn't mind fanfic, he just wants to be sure he
>doesn't see it. I could be wrong, though.
>
<snip>

As I read it, Mr. Weber is only concerned with any fanfiction that
show up in the newsgroup, that is abd-w. Anything else is not
mentioned, and thus can be seen as ok. His concern is, as I see it,
that no creations of his, later on, can be seen as stolen from the
fanfiction, which is less than probable with the authors on Eyrie.

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24. "RE: Call for Questions re: CFMF/Redneck"
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   >>Starfleet doesn't have any love for -any- mercenary service, including
>>the Wedge Defense Force... but they -really- aren't overfond of a
>>certain fleet which humiliated the then-tiny Earth defenses in 2368.
>
>As they say, cool. I always thought Star Fleet was run by a bunch of
>chumps.
>(yes this means I like Kirk better than Picard)

Picard's not so bad, when you come down to it; it takes him an age to make a decision (except in crisis) but when he makes up his mind, he is damn -tenacious.-

>>It greatly depends on the situation. However, the CFMF has denied the
>>Psi Corps any access or authority on CFMF vessels, on the grounds that
>>the Psi Act is (in the CFMF leadership's eyes) a violation of the
>>Articles of Federation.
>
>Hmmm! Is there an Intergalatic court to settle those sorts of
>disputes?

You'd think, wouldn't you? Unfortunately, there isn't. The Federation High Council acts as both executive and judiciary for the UF Federation, since its founders never considered that there -could- be any court case involving two opposing Federation members which couldn't be settled in arbitration.

>>The P-S Act was written with a specific species in mind, Zarathustran
>>Fuzzies.

>Oh, my god. Someone has actually referenced the Fuzzies. Oh, like so
>amazingly cool. H. Beam Piper is smiling out there somewhere. Your
>avatar rocks.

That is not my first reference of Piper material. Go back and read 'Privateer: One Fine Mess,' and then find a copy of 'Four Day Planet.'

I love Piper's work and intend to reference him as often as I can find reasonable avenues for his creations.

>>Of the samples, none lasted more than three seasons;
>>NCMM never broadcasted seven of the thirteen episodes taped.
>
>For which we will all remain eternally grateful.

OTOH, it lasted longer than The Martin Short Show. }:-{D

>>Second, thanks to the space-warping effects of Enigma's many, many,
>>many black holes, gravity waves, and other anomalies, Enigma is much
>>larger on the inside than it is on the outside.
>
>Ah well, it was a thought. A bad one mind you...

As it happens, they're not close enough together. Manticore is near the center of the sector, while Barrayar is out on the edges.

>>In any case, I wasn't aware that David Weber was opposed to fanfics.
>
>Alas, he is. Violently. Well, not violently, but definitly legally.
>If you check out Cynthia Gonslaves (yes she exists) FAQ, there is a
>nasty bit of legal threats in there to any aspiring fan fic writers.

Reading the FAQ ('99 version), it appears that Weber is generally flattered by people -wanting- to do fanfic, but terrified of legal repercussions unless he makes an effort to -avoid- the fanfic. As such, he is specifically requesting that fanfics not be posted to a particular newsgroup (and, by inference, that they not be emailed to him). He is -not- going the route of certain other authors (one of whom he mentions by name) and prohibiting fanfics or enforcing legal strictures on their creation.

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19. "RE: Call for Questions re: CFMF/Redneck"
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   Redneck wrote:

The P-S Act was written with a specific species in mind, Zarathustran Fuzzies. Also covered were species such as Sphinxian treecats. More detail on this, and on any application to Pokemon, is for someone else to tell.

Excuse me; I have to go hold my breath now. n_n

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20. "RE: Call for Questions re: CFMF/Redneck"
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   >Excuse me; I have to go hold my breath now. n_n

Don't hold it too long. The planet Pok may exist in the UF universe, but I've no particular plans to explore the sociopolitical ramifications of its semisentient fauna and the weird culture that has developed among the planet's human colonists with regard to enslaving them and forcing them to engage in gladiatorial combat. That's just too freaking weird. :)

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21. "RE: Call for Questions re: CFMF/Redneck"
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   I take it the SPCA is not well represented in Federation politics, heh heh.

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22. "RE: Call for Questions re: CFMF/Redneck"
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   >I take it the SPCA is not well represented in Federation politics, heh
>heh.

Not since PETA was annihilated in the War Of Galactic Annoyance.

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23. "RE: Call for Questions re: CFMF/Redneck"
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   >>I take it the SPCA is not well represented in Federation politics, heh
>>heh.
>
>Not since PETA was annihilated in the War Of Galactic Annoyance.

And there was much rejoicing. (Yaaayyyyy.)

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25. "RE: Call for Questions re: CFMF/Redneck"
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   >>I take it the SPCA is not well represented in Federation politics, heh
>>heh.
>
>Not since PETA was annihilated in the War Of Galactic Annoyance.

Ah, yes. Let's pick on people because they have the audacity to have principles and the temerity to stand up for them.

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26. "RE: Call for Questions re: CFMF/Redneck"
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   >>>I take it the SPCA is not well represented in Federation politics, heh
>>>heh.
>>Not since PETA was annihilated in the War Of Galactic Annoyance.
>Ah, yes. Let's pick on people because they have the audacity to have
>principles and the temerity to stand up for them.

No, I pick on them because they're annoying. And because they take themselves way, way too seriously.

I *love* the guy who registered peta.org - People Eating Tasty Animals. He deserves an award.

I also make fun of any religion which calls for its adherents to ring my doorbell, or try to convert me after I say I'm not interested.

In general people who don't have a sense of humor about themselves or their cause are fun to joke about.

Like people who actually take the time to learn esperanto. ;-)

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27. "RE: Call for Questions re: CFMF/Redneck"
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   >No, I pick on them because they're annoying. And because they take
>themselves way, way too seriously.

There's not much of an option there. Animal rights are a popular cause, and a worthy oone, but there aren't enough people who take it seriously enough, so those who *do* take it seriously are often quite evangelical.

I'm not an activist by nature. Vocal when mandated, and highly opinionated, yes, but I'm not an activist and I know it, so I respect the people who are.

>I also make fun of any religion which calls for its adherents to ring
>my doorbell, or try to convert me after I say I'm not interested.

I find it more productive to ignore them. Or give it right back to them. "Have you accepted your personal totem?"

>Like people who actually take the time to learn esperanto. ;-)

Krokodilanto. Vi parolas volapukajo.

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28. "RE: Call for Questions re: CFMF/Redneck"
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   >I'm not an activist by nature. Vocal when mandated, and highly
>opinionated, yes, but I'm not an activist and I know it, so I respect
>the people who are.

The other day, Eric Reuss and I were driving someplace, and saw a STOP sign onto which someone had stuck a white-lettered red sticker that read "DRIVING". We decided what the world really needs is an activist group whose fervent driving cause is to stamp out activism.

>>Like people who actually take the time to learn esperanto. ;-)
>
>Krokodilanto. Vi parolas volapukajo.

... And a double dumbass on you!

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32. "RE: Call for Questions re: CFMF/Redneck"
In response to message #28
 
   >The other day, Eric Reuss and I were driving someplace, and saw a STOP
>sign onto which someone had stuck a white-lettered red sticker that
>read "DRIVING". We decided what the world really needs is an activist
>group whose fervent driving cause is to stamp out activism.

I could respond to this seriously, but that'd be implying that there's something worth responding to seriously above.

Instead, I'll just ask if that's like imagining a world with no hypothetical situations. (Try it. Your head will implode after about ten minutes if you don't crack up laughing before that.)

>>>Like people who actually take the time to learn esperanto. ;-)
>>
>>Krokodilanto. Vi parolas volapukajo.
>
>... And a double dumbass on you!

Ahh, eloquence. (At least it gets points for quoting Star Trek IV.)

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42. "RE: Call for Questions re: CFMF/Redneck"
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   >>>Like people who actually take the time to learn esperanto. ;-)
>>
>>Krokodilanto. Vi parolas volapukajo.
>
>... And a double dumbass on you!
>

Someone was watching the TNN Star Trek marathon the other day <or just finds that line inordinately memorable>

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31. "RE: Call for Questions re: CFMF/Redneck"
In response to message #27
 
   >>No, I pick on them because they're annoying. And because they take
>>themselves way, way too seriously.
>
>There's not much of an option there. Animal rights are a popular
>cause, and a worthy oone, but there aren't enough people who take it
>seriously enough, so those who *do* take it seriously are often quite
>evangelical.

Which makes it that much harder for the people who don't take it seriously enough to maybe consider doing so. Stunts like the 'Got Milk' billboard in New York make them look like idiots, and make people discredit all aspects of the movement as 'those crazy tree-huggers' (or duck-squeezers, a joking term someone coined here at work). Which in turn makes it harder for people who are doing real work in conservation and whatnot to get public support and funding. Extremists are quite often more harm to their cause than good.

But then, I'm a Bambi-killin' hillbilly, so what do I know about any of that. ;)

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33. "RE: Call for Questions re: CFMF/Redneck"
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   >Which in turn makes it harder for people who are doing real
>work in conservation and whatnot to get public support and funding.
>Extremists are quite often more harm to their cause than good.

As a shooting hobbyist, I'm painfully well-aware of that...

(See also: Those anti-smoking wackos who pile bodybags around tobacco-company headquarters and similar bizarre stunts.)

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36. "RE: Call for Questions re: CFMF/Redneck"
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   >>Which in turn makes it harder for people who are doing real
>>work in conservation and whatnot to get public support and funding.
>>Extremists are quite often more harm to their cause than good.
>
>As a shooting hobbyist, I'm painfully well-aware of that...

Dad's been a member of the NRA for ages, but is considering dropping out because a) they're beginning to reach PETA-esque depths of absurdity and b) they apparently now never stop asking for money from members. Last time I was home mom mentioned how it was an almost constant stream of junk mail from them now. It'd be nice if something a little more moderate yet still high-profile would fill the gap the NRA is leaving in its wake...

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45. "RE: Call for Questions re: CFMF/Redneck"
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   >Dad's been a member of the NRA for ages, but is considering dropping
>out because a) they're beginning to reach PETA-esque depths of
>absurdity and b) they apparently now never stop asking for money from
>members. Last time I was home mom mentioned how it was an almost
>constant stream of junk mail from them now. It'd be nice if something
>a little more moderate yet still high-profile would fill the gap the
>NRA is leaving in its wake...
>
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I don't think we need something a little more moderate, but one does tire of the incessant begging the NRA does. I'll stick with GOA and GRNC (Grass Roots North Carolina) for the time being.

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29. "RE: Call for Questions re: CFMF/Redneck"
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   >>Not since PETA was annihilated in the War Of Galactic Annoyance.
>
>Ah, yes. Let's pick on people because they have the audacity to have
>principles and the temerity to stand up for them.

I'd rather pick on people because they're a bunch of foamy-jowled crackpots who occasionally irritate me in person.

I could tell about the time I had to call a cop to get a Mormon to leave me alone, but I think I'll just take it as read.

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34. "RE: Call for Questions re: CFMF/Redneck"
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   >I could tell about the time I had to call a cop to get a Mormon to
>leave me alone, but I think I'll just take it as read.

Unbearable heat, deadly creatures, sulfurous lake... the promised land? Sounds like hell. ;-)

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35. "RE: Call for Questions re: CFMF/Redneck"
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   >>I could tell about the time I had to call a cop to get a Mormon to
>>leave me alone, but I think I'll just take it as read.
>
>Unbearable heat, deadly creatures, sulfurous lake... the promised
>land? Sounds like hell. ;-)

I guess Brigham figured it beat Ohio.

He might have had a point, at that.

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39. "RE: Call for Questions re: CFMF/Redneck"
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   >>>I could tell about the time I had to call a cop to get a Mormon to
>>>leave me alone, but I think I'll just take it as read.
>>
>>Unbearable heat, deadly creatures, sulfurous lake... the promised
>>land? Sounds like hell. ;-)
>
>I guess Brigham figured it beat Ohio.
>
>He might have had a point, at that.

California's the state I don't get, from that standpoint. Sure, San Francisco's got a great climate, but it's on a whacking huge faultline. And LA? It's on a whacking huge faultline in the middle of a desert.

Me? Given a choice, I'll take New England. I figure having to periodically scrape a quarter inch of ice off my car (which, to me, is the true signal for when winter starts) beats hurricanes (the local Big Hazard here in the Carolinas) or earthquakes any day. That, and I can get better food (well, better pizza, anyway; there's no substitute for the Mexican one finds here), and the climate is better politically. (Around here, a "liberal" is someone who locks his guns up at night.)

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40. "RE: Call for Questions re: CFMF/Redneck"
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   >California's the state I don't get, from that standpoint. Sure, San
>Francisco's got a great climate, but it's on a whacking huge faultline

Mm... I lived there, I lived here, they've both got their hazards. We do get hurricanes here in New England now and then; not as often as in, say, the Carolinas, but sometimes. Hurricane Bob in the fall of '91 whacked Rhode Island and eastern and central Massachusetts pretty damn hard. We also have those charming ice storms in the fall sometimes - you know, the ones that leave most of the state of Maine without power for up to a week? Oh, and we're due for a major earthquake of our own at some point, because there are faults here.

Then there are the various social things to consider. Like the fact that in the Bay Area you can get a burger at 2 in the morning, whereas in Waltham, Store 24 (see the name? Know what it's supposed to mean?) is closed then, let alone the area's restaurants. Or the laughable excuse for our nearest 24-hour supermarket, clear the hell over in Porter Square in Cambridge, which is closed on Friday, Saturday and Sunday nights! Or the fact that one of my favorite hobbies is all but illegal around here, and another is on its way down the same path. (Don't get me started on that. Especially not in this thread; it's drifted enough as it is. I shouldn't be posting this. I wish DCF had an easy way to branch to a new forum, the way you can in usenet just by changing the Newsgroups: header... )

Anyway, there are balancing factors. Out there, I missed the seasons, Harvard Square, being able to get to Maine without having to fly, and such-like. Over here, I miss all-night Safeways, Top Dog, and my gun collection.

In the South, I imagine I would miss things like books and occasional breathably dry air, but I could be hyperbolizing based on what I've read of the place.

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43. "RE: Call for Questions re: CFMF/Redneck"
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   >Mm... I lived there, I lived here, they've both got their hazards. We
>do get hurricanes here in New England now and then; not as often as
>in, say, the Carolinas, but sometimes. Hurricane Bob in the fall of
>'91 whacked Rhode Island and eastern and central Massachusetts pretty
>damn hard. We also have those charming ice storms in the fall
>sometimes - you know, the ones that leave most of the state of Maine
>without power for up to a week? Oh, and we're due for a major
>earthquake of our own at some point, because there are faults
>here.

I lived in Southwestern Connecticut for fourteen years (grew up in Bridgeport, then ended up in Danbury). Hurricanes usually miss that part of New England, and it's only a short hop to New York. Same thing with the ice storms. (Living in that part of Connecticut is nice, but not without its hazards; there's lots of rich people, and when, like me, you're not one of them you tend to be made aware of it rather quickly, and often in a vaguely embarassing fashion.)

And, in that area, an all-night diner really is all-night. And I haven't had an eggplant parmagiana grinder since I moved out of the area. Nor proper pizza. (Make no mistake: New Haven pizza is at least as good as New York pizza, although it is different.)

>Then there are the various social things to consider. Like the fact
>that in the Bay Area you can get a burger at 2 in the morning, whereas
>in Waltham, Store 24 (see the name? Know what it's supposed to mean?)
>is closed then, let alone the area's restaurants. Or the
>laughable excuse for our nearest 24-hour supermarket, clear the hell
>over in Porter Square in Cambridge, which is closed on Friday,
>Saturday and Sunday nights!

Ahhh, good ol' blue laws.

I do have to say that for Greensboro -- while it's not as 24-hour as Danbury, is still fairly so. WalMart, Harris Teeter, and Super K-Mart really are 24/7 (I think they close down for a few hours on Thanksgiving and Christmas), and there's a few 24-hour diners and IHOP. Plus, one can buy beer at any time of the day or night, until between 6 AM and noon on Sunday mornings, something one can't do anywhere I've lived or spent any significant amount of time in up in the Northeast. (Connecticut? No alcohol after 8 or on Sundays. Upstate New York? They let you go as late as 11. The City is another story, but, then, the City always is.)

>In the South, I imagine I would miss things like books and occasional
>breathably dry air, but I could be hyperbolizing based on what I've
>read of the place.

You could be. Make no mistake, the South is as humid as they say; it's fairly common for me to have problems with my car windows fogging up on the outside. And I mean all the way around. And, in Greensboro, it's not all that hot by Southern standards, but it's ridiculously humid. Books? Well, in more cosmopolitan, metropolitan areas like Greensboro, or, say, RTP (Raleigh-Durham area), or maybe Charlotte (can't say for sure, haven't been there in awhile), there's plenty of bookstores that tend to have surprisingly broad selections. (Borders does exist here, for example.) And, since people in the South tend to be really cheap, discount stores for just about anything are a dime a dozen.

On the whole, where I'm living in the South isn't that bad. That accent is common but not universal (there's a lot of people living here who came from elsewhere), and while I'm going to miss proper winters, and people who have some clue as to how to drive on icy roads, and snow, there's the tradeoff of having a really long fall.

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41. "RE: Call for Questions re: CFMF/Redneck"
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   >California's the state I don't get, from that standpoint. Sure, San
>Francisco's got a great climate, but it's on a whacking huge
>faultline. And LA? It's on a whacking huge faultline in the
>middle of a desert
.

To be fair, the whacking huge faultline is 60 to 100 miles east of LA. A big San Andreas quake down here wouldn't be too terrible by the time it got to LA unless it was stupidly huge. There was a mid 7 quake out near Palmdale a few years ago, all I got by the beach was 30 seconds of being reminded what crossing the English Channel in June was like (I wasn't really freaked until after, cause it faded out so smoothly I wasn't sure exactly when it stopped, and spent the next few hours wondering if everything was still moving).

Not that the ground under LA isn't a spiderweb of minor faultlines, but still. :)

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38. "RE: Call for Questions re: CFMF/Redneck"
In response to message #25
 
   >>Not since PETA was annihilated in the War Of Galactic Annoyance.
>
>Ah, yes. Let's pick on people because they have the audacity to have
>principles and the temerity to stand up for them.

The Luddites were principled people willing to stand up for those principles... never mind that those principles included disease, poverty, inefficiency, pollution, etc. etc. etc.

The PETA has principles, but it lacks all common sense in the application of those principles. I've always had the feeling that PETA's eventual goal is the mass suicide of the human race so that Nature can get along without us.

Besides, any group which claims that cow milk is a cruelty and that people should be encouraged to drink beer instead- and actually attempts a national campaign on this- deserves to be mocked. Repeatedly. INCESSANTLY.

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44. "RE: Call for Questions re: CFMF/Redneck"
In response to message #38
 
   >The Luddites were principled people willing to stand up for those
>principles... never mind that those principles included disease,
>poverty, inefficiency, pollution, etc. etc. etc.

I'm convinced that any Utopia will destroy what could remotely be called sapient humans.

>The PETA has principles, but it lacks all common sense in the
>application of those principles. I've always had the feeling that
>PETA's eventual goal is the mass suicide of the human race so that
>Nature can get along without us.

No kidding. Food chain. Does anyone in the PETA leadership understand how the concept works? As a woman, all I can say is thank god for technical progress and advent of humanism.

>Besides, any group which claims that cow milk is a cruelty and that
>people should be encouraged to drink beer instead- and actually
>attempts a national campaign on this- deserves to be mocked.
>Repeatedly. INCESSANTLY.

No kidding. Have they ever seen a cow or a goat that needs milking? They are miserable. I weas at a state fair this weekend. The poor goats were waddling and bleatting in discomfort. They had huge, swollen udders. They could easily be prey to predators or even suffer internal ailments from their inability to lose milk without stimulation (i.e. milking or nursing).

The human breeding experiments with animals cannot be reversed. If the anti-milk crowd wants to actively cause the exinction of dairy goats and dairy cows, then they need to look at their principles. Animal cruelty also happens when humans abandon domesticated species.

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46. "RE: Call for Questions re: CFMF/Redneck"
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   I've got a few questions for you, Redneck!

First off, A couple of Real Life questions:

1.At Project A-Kon, I heard that a reader of Undocumented Features came up to you and asked for your autograph. How did it feel being recognized as a writer in this aspect and are you wondering what kind of insanities you've helped to unleash upon the world of fanfics now?

2. Would you be willing to work with people that are not members of Eyrie Productions on a fanfic?

Now, onto the questions:

1. How many ships of the CFMF are based on actual Sci-Fi ships and if so, can you give three ships from three series? (For instance, is a Liberator-class Guncrusier a Defieant-class Escort/Light Destroyer from Star Trek: Deep Space Nine?)

2. Could you explain how Zatharas got into Washuu-chan's lab and what his duties are there?

3. For Wahsuu: Which one do you like of Ben and Jerry's-Cherry Gracia or Phish Food?

4. How does/did Redneck feel about the situation after the Third World War, I mean his true feelings as a person and not Redneck the WDF Cadet turned CFMF Leader turned Smuggler/Jedi Padawan.

5. Is Redneck still in his Padawan stages or has he made Knight yet?

6. What are the names of the WDF/Genom Ships that were given to the CFMF at the end of Wilderness?

7. Does Little Joe and General Taygril (of Genom and creator of the TIE Project) go out on a date after the end of Twlight?

8. What ever happened to RebelTech?

9. Is Redneck and Washuu members of the Experts of Justice?

Well, that's all of my questions that I can think of at 2:56 AM on Monday. Sorry, Red.

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47. "RE: Call for Questions re: CFMF/Redneck"
In response to message #46
 
   >I've got a few questions for you, Redneck!
>
>First off, A couple of Real Life questions:
>
>1.At Project A-Kon, I heard that a reader of Undocumented Features
>came up to you and asked for your autograph. How did it feel being
>recognized as a writer in this aspect

Familiar, although it was the first time I've been asked for an autograph because of UF stuff.

I get a -lot- of recognition, especially on alt.fan.bgcrisis.

>and are you wondering what kind
>of insanities you've helped to unleash upon the world of fanfics now?

Not really. I've had to abandon a couple of non-UF fic ideas because other people beat me to some of their basic concepts.

>2. Would you be willing to work with people that are not members of
>Eyrie Productions on a fanfic?

Yes, but I'd be picky.

>Now, onto the questions:
>
>1. How many ships of the CFMF are based on actual Sci-Fi ships and if
>so, can you give three ships from three series? (For instance, is a
>Liberator-class Guncrusier a Defieant-class Escort/Light Destroyer
>from Star Trek: Deep Space Nine?)

The following ships are based of paper spaceships I learned how to make in junior high; the Plymouth-I, -II, -III, and -IV class, the Broadway class, the Camelot class, the Albatross class, the Emperor class, the Liberator class, the Charlemagne class, and the Johnston class.

None of the CFMF ships above starfighter level which have appeared 'on-screen' are based on any prior sources.

>2. Could you explain how Zatharas got into Washuu-chan's lab and what
>his duties are there?

Sometime about four or five thousand years ago, Zathras answered an advertisement asking for a student-assistant. He's been in the Lab ever since, and his duties are basic maintenance, occasional food service, and whatever Washuu tells him to do.

>3. For Wahsuu: Which one do you like of Ben and Jerry's-Cherry Gracia
>or Phish Food?

Cherry Garcia matches her crab-motif better.

>4. How does/did Redneck feel about the situation after the Third World
>War, I mean his true feelings as a person and not Redneck the WDF
>Cadet turned CFMF Leader turned Smuggler/Jedi Padawan.

You can't separate the lot.

Both the Third and Fourth World Wars happened while the Redneck was on his Sabbatical, and thus he filed it mentally with all the other catastrophic changes he came home to.

>5. Is Redneck still in his Padawan stages or has he made Knight yet?

Very difficult to say. Redneck keeps in practice and continues his training by himself, screening very carefully the existing records for the tiny fragments of true Jedi teachines. OTOH, it's not a high priority, and although Redneck will occasionally profess his religion as Jedi, he claims no -current- rank in the Order, not even the status of Padawan. "I was once a Jedi Padawan" is as close as he'll come.

>6. What are the names of the WDF/Genom Ships that were given to the
>CFMF at the end of Wilderness?

Imperial-class Star Destroyer CFMF Chimera
Victory-class Star Destroyers CFMF Foehammer, Thundercloud, Arquebus
Yamato-class Battleship CFMF Shenandoah
Ikazuchi-class Carriers CFMF Reconquista, Perseverance, Retribution, Iron Fist,
Interdictor-class Heavy Cruiser CFMF Untouchable
Constitution-class Heavy Cruisers CFMF Ranger, Seraphis
Miranada-class Light Cruisers CFMF Decartes, John Locke, Patrick Henry, Jefferson

Most of these ships were not officially commissioned into the CFMF for years afterwards; they were treated as ships-under-construction pressed into emergency service, and were only commissioned once all systems were refitted for CFMF equipment and the ship's crew was brought up to full compliment. CFMF Chimera was the main exception, as it became the temporary home of the CFMF's officer academy while its massive refit was conducted. The last ship of the Gift Fleet to be entered into the fleet registry was the Arquebus, CFF-212, in 2395.

>7. Does Little Joe and General Taygril (of Genom and creator of the
>TIE Project) go out on a date after the end of Twlight?

No. Little Joe is 25, Tangril in her late eighties (vigorous middle age). There's a vast gulf between them.

>8. What ever happened to RebelTech?

Still the Freespacer nation's single largest employer.

>9. Is Redneck and Washuu members of the Experts of Justice?

No; as of 2405, both are retired in order to raise a family. Redneck is working as a test pilot, and Washuu is teaching at the New Avalon Institute of Science.

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48. "RE: Call for Questions re: CFMF/Redneck"
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>
>Imperial-class Star Destroyer CFMF Chimera
>Victory-class Star Destroyers CFMF Foehammer, Thundercloud, Arquebus
>Yamato-class Battleship CFMF Shenandoah
>Ikazuchi-class Carriers CFMF Reconquista, Perseverance, Retribution,
>Iron Fist,
>Interdictor-class Heavy Cruiser CFMF Untouchable
>Constitution-class Heavy Cruisers CFMF Ranger, Seraphis
>Miranada-class Light Cruisers CFMF Decartes, John Locke, Patrick
>Henry, Jefferson

Ah, and here is another set of questions that a friend of mine (and fellow gamer/writer) wanted to know:

Are all four of the Miranada-class Light Cruisers of the same sub-type. There are four apparent sub-types of Miranda Cruisers in existance. Here they are so you don't have to go out and try to find them.

Type 1: The "Reliant" type. Basically, the Miranda-class is equipped with Pulse Phasers and this sub-type of the class removes them in favor of more science equipment. Usually used for long range missions.

Noteworthy ships: USS Reliant (NCC-1864), USS Miranda, USS Brattain (NCC-21166), USS Tian An Men (NCC-21382)

Type 2: The "Saratoga" type. Basically is the standard Miranda with the "Rollbar" and the attached systems removed. Usually used for normal Light Crusier duties (such as border patrol of inner planets)

Noteworthy ships: USS Saratoga (NCC-31911), USS Vigilant (NCC-33984).

Type 3: The "Lantree" type. This type removes both the "Rollbar" w/attached systems and the Pulse Phaser. This type is normally used for short-range science missions and planetary survey missions. It's also good for handling smugglers for some odd reasons.

Noteworthy ships: USS Lantree (NCC-1837)

Type 4: The Soyuz-class Heavy Crusier conversion. Basically, this type is the conversion package used to convert the standard Light Crusier into a ship designed for battle as well as science. Basically, you replace the rollbar with an enhanced aft sensor package which includes several functions and new systems. This type is normally used for long range combat missions, border patrols on the frontier and "Clipping" (not to sure on the meaning, possibly Megazone knows more than I do on this).

Noteworthy ships: USS Bozeman (NCC-1941)

Other ships in the Miranda-class is as follows: USS Andover, USS Brisban, and the USS Mondial.

Redneck, if you need any help with Starfleet or any other kind of Star Trek ship details, I'm at your service. But pretty much, my question is are all the Mirandas given to the CFMF all the same and can I captain one? (sorry, I captain the USS Ranger in my friends Star Trek RPG game and it's a Miranda Type 1, hence my question on captaining one..ah, forget it and tell me to shut up :))

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49. "RE: Call for Questions re: CFMF/Redneck"
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   >Ah, and here is another set of questions that a friend of mine (and
>fellow gamer/writer) wanted to know:
>
>Are all four of the Miranada-class Light Cruisers of the same
>sub-type. There are four apparent sub-types of Miranda Cruisers in
>existance. Here they are so you don't have to go out and try to find
>them.

Yes, they are. All four start out as the then-current UF mode of Miranda, the same type as the USS Reliant. Their CFMF refit raised their sublight acceleration drastically and reduced their sensor suites in exchange for adding an additional pair of ventral-mount heavy phasers.

CFMF Descartes mounts, if memory serves, six heavy phaser arrays, four photon torpedo launchers, and seven quad blaster turrets for anti-starfighter defense. Although it has no major gunnery blind spots, the rollbar area (esp. the torpedo turret in the center) and the sides of the warp nacelles are only weakly covered.

(I'm only mildly interested in actual ST technobabble, in such cases, but I do play Starfleet Command a bit.)

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