In Borderlands 2, most Tediore guns are so badly made that after you finish off a clip of ammunition you have to throw them away before they explode.

Tediore decided that this would be a feature, and made the ammunition supply unstable to the point that the gun exploding also cooks off all the ammo, making the explosion bigger. I have killed myself accidentally by manually reloading one of these guns between fights.

Well, think of it this way: you're not losing a gun, you're getting a free grenade with every reload!

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Well, that makes as much sense as anything else in the Borderlands universe. :)

(I never got very far in Borderlands 2; it's hard, I'm bad at games, and they seem to have disabled the "demigod mode" cheat in the engine, which is all that got me through the first one.)

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As for the difficulty, Tediore guns didn't make it any easier, since you not only had to figure out how the gun shot, you had to learn how the disposed (and now explosive) weapon arced and train yourself out of manually reloading.

The best is the Tediore rocket launcher. After you shot the last rocket in the clip the launcher launches itself.

Kei does in fact have both of those things.

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Gods help me, I've considered it.

Years ago, I showed my grandfather the Nagant revolver I'd just bought online, and he smiled and said, "Benjamin, we have the same taste in junk." :)

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It reminds me a bit of the "gettin' around patents" phase of earlier firearms history, except that there was no earthly reason to do any of it that way by that point in time. :)

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....yes! This. Exactly that.

After finishing watching this, I had another thought: thank goodness 3d printing wasn't available to the guy, because the 'rapid prototyping' that we have nowadays would make for an even bigger mess with this, given the history of the company's pivot.

I watched a bunch of the other videos that people have put up on these things, just to get a feel for what I should expect....NONE of them prepared me for it actually FIRING!"

Which is about as text-book a case of "damning with faint praise" as you're likely to get, I think.

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This is how you know that Ian is a true ZIP™ Operator™.

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Jesus, that manual.
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I think I see a connection to the same odd corner of the firearms world that brought us the Um, What The... ? Specifically, the notion that a real special-forces operative would want to attach a pistol to the underside of their rifle is ridiculous ... but it's the sort of thing that people whose entire conception of special forces operations comes from movies might think a special-forces operative would do. And, therefore, the sort of capability someone who has Walter Mitty fantasies about being in special ops would want on their cheap-ass pistol they bought without any real intention of shooting it at anyone.

Deliberately making and marketing a cheap-ass pistol for mall ninjas seems out of character for Doug Donnelly as described. But I could see him getting a little infected with that mindset himself, as part of the lack of business sense that led to his betting his company on this thing in the first place.

That's the sort of manual that has the 2nd amendment taking up a page somewhere.

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I was rewatching the video, first to remind myself what on earth this was, and then out of morbid fascination ... around 23m18s Ian is paging through the manual and sure enough, there's the 2nd amendment on the last page.

Heeeh! Well, on the one hand, I apologize for the suffering I have caused, both real and metaphorical. On the other hand, I can't other than look forward to the image of an Ignatine with a Zip 22™ so my shame isn't enormous. It's there. But not very overwhelming.

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This has the added bonus of getting the thing out of your gun case before any of your other firearms pick up gremlins from being near the accursed thing.

"This is probably a stupid question, but . . ."

Rezzing this thread meant I rewatched the video, and yeah, yeah, it definitely fits the criteria.

> If I had one, I would be boxing it up to send
>off to ATF for evaluation as we speak. (You have to send them an
>actual example of the gun you're proposing for inclusion.

I just imagine the inspector unsealing the box and staring at it for a moment. "...What in God's name is this thing?"

Matrix Dragon, J. Random Nutter

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Edit to note that...weeeeell. A bullpup should have the mechanism and breech BEHIND the "firing grip", ie trigger. The Zip has it ABOVE, but admittedly, it isn't in FRONT.
Suspect the text is cribbed from The Other Wiki, where it is claimed to be a bullpup.
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