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"GG 3/II: Fait avec Soin"
 
   While they wait for the President of Gallia to return to Paris, the Scarlet Mansion party have plenty of time to explore the capital—and to discover that, even in a modern city, the twentieth century still has magic to be found.

Act II: "Fait avec Soin"

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1. "RE: GG 3/II: Fait avec Soin"
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   You could write Flandre-centric episodes for the next 20 years and I'd be here for it. She's a good character, and the whole stuffed animal arc was fantastic.

Also, I'm impressed that the ministry haa same-day photograph development at the Ministry. The wheels of bureaucracy are turning like a drag racer engine for the Scarlets.


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2. "RE: GG 3/II: Fait avec Soin"
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   >You could write Flandre-centric episodes for the next 20 years and I'd
>be here for it.

Heh, and here I was reviewing this episode and thinking, "Jeez, I've focused on Flan a lot the last little while. I've got to try and spread these things out." :)

>She's a good character, and the whole stuffed animal
>arc was fantastic.

Credit where due, that whole subplot came from Traitor's suggestion in the thread for 3/I.

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9. "RE: GG 3/II: Fait avec Soin"
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>>She's a good character, and the whole stuffed animal
>>arc was fantastic.
>
>Credit where due, that whole subplot came from Traitor's suggestion in
>the thread for 3/I.

I am absolutely amazed and in awe at how well you wove that in. Amazing, just beautiful.



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3. "typo? RE: GG 3/II: Fait avec Soin"
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   ... clearly predated the autmobile..

"autmobile"? typo or a French language thing?

I hate being the kind of person that catches typos. It's just not who I am!

Anyway, loving eyrie since "Split Infinitive" was posted to USENET. :-)

This is your best stuff yet G!


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6. "RE: typo? RE: GG 3/II: Fait avec Soin"
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   >... clearly predated the autmobile..
>
>"autmobile"? typo or a French language thing?

Yeah, that's just a missed letter. Funnily enough, automobile is a loan-word from French (by way of Greek and Latin roots) in the first place! In English the preferred word was originally "motorcar".

>Anyway, loving eyrie since "Split Infinitive" was posted to USENET.
>:-)

Dang, that's going back a ways.

>This is your best stuff yet G!

Thanks!

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4. "RE: GG 3/II: Fait avec Soin"
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   > a dollop of B-negative preserves

I misremember if this was in a prior thread, so apologies if so, but...do they have a preference for specific types, or are there flavor differences, or is it just for textual flavor?

Also, do blood preserves have herbs and such in them? Spices? Obviously the family has had contact with the Dutch, who were the primary spice importers to Europe during that time period, but did they have the sense to -use- them? ;-)

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5. "RE: GG 3/II: Fait avec Soin"
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   >> a dollop of B-negative preserves
>
>I misremember if this was in a prior thread, so apologies if so,
>but...do they have a preference for specific types, or are there
>flavor differences, or is it just for textual flavor?

Remilia's favorite blood type is B, Flandre's is A (neither is particular about Rh factor).

I've never tasted anyone's blood other than my own, to the best of my recollection, but I'll go out on a limb and assume the difference is only apparent to vampires. :)

>Also, do blood preserves have herbs and such in them? Spices?

I hadn't really considered that, but there's no real reason why they couldn't. I'm sure that at the least, they have a botanical component that's involved in the alchemical processes used to create them, so flavorants for their own sake aren't out of the question.

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7. "RE: GG 3/II: Fait avec Soin"
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   >
>Remilia's favorite blood type is B, Flandre's is A (neither is
>particular about Rh factor).
>

"Papa said that Rh-positive tasted better in tea, but I've never noticed a difference."

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8. "RE: GG 3/II: Fait avec Soin"
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   >I hadn't really considered that, but there's no real reason why they couldn't.
>I'm sure that at the least, they have a botanical component that's involved in
>the alchemical processes used to create them, so flavorants for their own sake
>aren't out of the question.

Oooh. I have some suggestions :-)

I....have some experience eating blood-related foods (and I just found out there's a "medical food" from Russia that's a blood -chocolate- bar, of all things!) and can give several tips about blood-related cuisine XD

(There's a Filipino joint down the hill from me that's really very authentic; we visited the first time and I ordered 'Chocolate Meat'.

The lady looked at me a bit funny, making sure I knew this was not, like, pork chops, but I'm very far from squeamish.

It was -delicious- and it was terribly funny when she came out while we were eating and saw me chowing down on it XD)

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12. "RE: GG 3/II: Fait avec Soin"
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   Yeah, same here. If there is one thing that Sweden and Finland has, it's a surprising array of foods with blood, from the standard black pudding, to pancakes, breads, dumplings, sausage(which is not the same as pudding), soup...

I've had all of this and it still surprised me when I started thinking about it.

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16. "RE: GG 3/II: Fait avec Soin"
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   >Yeah, same here. If there is one thing that Sweden and Finland has,
>it's a surprising array of foods with blood, from the standard black
>pudding, to pancakes, breads, dumplings, sausage(which is not the same
>as pudding), soup...
>
Not surprising to me, as the harsher climate there means you use EVERY darn little bit of the animal, even now.

Cause... yeah. we americans can be wasteful in the largess of our foods.

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10. "RE: GG 3/II: Fait avec Soin"
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   The opening sequence to this piece maybe doesn't set the whole mood, but definitely serves as ample notice "here there be feels."

>Meiling looked mildly surprised. "You don't—of course you don't," she
>interrupted herself. Grinning, she shuffled through the pile, extracted one
>of the volumes, and handed it across the table. "See for yourself! They're fun."
>

I can't help but wonder what Meiling would make of the state of modern comics as they exist IRL. Probably a much less upbeat assessment.

>"But he does need a home." A faraway look came into the old man's eyes as
>he went on, "He's been sitting in that window for ever such a long time.
>Since before the Neuroi came. He watched them take the city, then watched
>them go again. He's seen a lot from his throne behind that glass, has good
>King Babar. Perhaps it's time for him to go and seek his fortune in the world
>outside it."
>

I always end up halfway re-reading these when I dive back in for quotes and in light of what gets revealed later this bit just hits in a whole new way the second time around.

>Flandre shook her head. "I didn't, at the time. The ones at that store
>weren't... I don't know how to explain it. They didn't speak to me." She
>turned her head, catching the slightly puzzled, slightly concerned look
>crossing her sister's face, and rolled her eyes in mild exasperation. "I
>don't mean it literally. Honestly, sometimes I think you don't really believe
>I'm not crazy. Anyway, I was never that kind of crazy. I didn't hear voices.
>Well, except for my own. Look, all I'm saying is, this one is special."
>

Two thoughts that occur here are, in no particular order, that a few centuries of habit must be hard to fully break, and that I am feel compelled to fanboy just a bit here at the weaving of some humor into even the heavy moments of this piece overall. The literary craftsmanship is noticed and appreciated Gryphon.

>"I'm sorry," she said, her voice breaking. "I'm sorry, Flan. I couldn't help
>you. I didn't know what to do. Nothing I tried worked. Eventually, I... I
>gave up," she admitted miserably. "I'm so sorry."
>

Back on the topic of the feels of this piece, I'm not sure a sequence in simple text has made me wish I could hug fictional characters quite so much. Flandre possibly just a touch more, but they're both small, pretty sure they'd fit easily into a group hug if it were possible.

On a less visceral (not sure if that's the best word, but it's all my mental thesaurus is providing at the moment) level, it's good to see the sisters taking some of this time to talk through their lingering issues a bit. I expect they'll be better off for it in the long run.

>Her eyes steady on her younger sister's, Remilia paused for just a moment,
>then said with a very slight smile, "And so Prince Vazul Skarlátvörös became
>Count Victor Scarlet."
>

I didn't see this coming during Remilia's story until the paragraph immediately preceding this line. I feel a bit dense for not picking up that scent sooner.

>Next to her, her younger sister Flandre looked a bit more contemporary, but
>also slightly funereal, in her black skirt-and-vest set over a white blouse
>and petticoat.
>

Bit of a chuckle, for me, here since there's a decent chance that Flandre chose that outfit to be cheerful, given vampiric fashion sensibilities.

>The only hitch they ran into was when the time came for them to be
>photographed for their new identity documents. Sakuya and Meiling,
>summoned by telephone from the hotel for the occasion, sat for their
>photos without difficulty, but taking pictures of the Scarlets themselves
>proved to be impossible with the equipment the Interior Ministry had available.
>Like virtually all photographic equipment in use at that time, it relied on
>salts of silver to function, so the photographer managed only to take perfectly
>framed pictures of an apparently empty chair.
>

I'm not sure if the forum side conversation on vampires and photographic technology bore some useful fruit here, or if it was just an amusing coincidence that it came up just before this piece.

In any case, I am guessing it is one of those "magic is just like that" things that somehow whatever prevents vampires from being photographed also somehow prevents their clothes from showing up, rather than an Invisible Man style presentation.

>The phrase he used for these methods, always uttered with a smile and a
>chuckle, was cacher les cadavres: "hiding the bodies."
>

Somehow I feel like most professions have some variation of this, though that might be a bad turn of phrase for those pursuits that could result in actual bodies.

>The product of her afternoon was not, strictly speaking, a stuffed animal,
>but rather a cloth doll: a depiction of her elder sister, complete with a
>detailed miniature reproduction of one of her usual pink outfits, mob cap,
>wings and all. Doll-Remilia had eyes made from translucent red coat buttons
>and a permanent little stitched-on smile, punctuated with tiny triangular
>upper fangs made from chips of some pearlescent material, that gave her a
>faint air of smugness.
>

Not a bat in a mob cap, but just as adorable. And 'faint air of smugness' for Remilia is pretty much, in D&D parlance, an at-will cantrip.

>When this business with the government is finished, perhaps I should drop in
>and see him in Folkestone
, Remilia mused, setting aside her teaspoon and taking
>a sip of red tea. Must pick up a tide chart for the Pas de Calais.
>

It would be interesting to see if that would go down all that well. I don't imagine all military installations, even with witches about, are as flexible in the face of the should-be-impossible as witches of St. Ulrich.

>Presently Flandre said, "I went back to M. Constantin's shop again, but it was
>locked and there was no one inside. I asked in the butcher's shop next door if
>anyone had seen him..." She looked up, making eye contact with her sister, and
>went on in a small voice, "... and they said that he had died."
>Frowning, Remilia took Flandre's nearer hand, squeezing it, and said gently,
>"I'm so sorry to hear that."
>"I just saw him yesterday," Flandre said.
>Remilia nodded. "I know. But... that's the way of things with humans sometimes,
>I'm afraid. Didn't you tell me he was quite an elderly man?"
>Flandre shook her head. "No. I mean yes, he was, but you don't understand. They
>told me he died three years ago. In Britannia. During the occupation."
>

Another bit that snuck up on me. On the first reading, I had thought the 'slightly fae vanishing toyshop' angle might have been left aside, then I got here. This sequence does show nicely that both sisters can be just as wise as one another, and as their 4+ centuries of life would generally have led them to be.


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13. "RE: GG 3/II: Fait avec Soin"
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   >The opening sequence to this piece maybe doesn't set the whole mood,
>but definitely serves as ample notice "here there be feels."

Fun fact: I've had that conversation lying around for a while now, waiting for a place to happen. When I prototyped it in the studio channel, Remilia's line about how her using Flan as a weapon would have made them both monsters really jumped out.

>I can't help but wonder what Meiling would make of the state of modern
>comics as they exist IRL. Probably a much less upbeat assessment.

Well, they're not really the same thing. Tintin was a newspaper-supplement comic--granted, one that ran for two pages an issue, not three panels, but still, until after World War II it worked on a different sort of creative cycle than the kind of comics that have the whole magazine to themselves. But yeah, I can't really see her being into the whole holographic foil and annual megacrossover business. (Then again, that may be at least partly because canonically she's a manga collector, since she's a character inhabiting a Japanese milieu, and that's a whole different vibe.)

>I always end up halfway re-reading these when I dive back in for
>quotes and in light of what gets revealed later this bit just hits in
>a whole new way the second time around.

I like it when I have an opportunity to put something like that together.

>Two thoughts that occur here are, in no particular order, that a few
>centuries of habit must be hard to fully break, and that I am feel
>compelled to fanboy just a bit here at the weaving of some humor into
>even the heavy moments of this piece overall. The literary
>craftsmanship is noticed and appreciated Gryphon.

Why, thank you. To be fair, that sort of thing is hard to avoid with Flan anyway. :)

>Back on the topic of the feels of this piece, I'm not sure a sequence
>in simple text has made me wish I could hug fictional characters quite
>so much. Flandre possibly just a touch more, but they're both small,
>pretty sure they'd fit easily into a group hug if it were possible.

Eminently so.

>On a less visceral (not sure if that's the best word, but it's all my
>mental thesaurus is providing at the moment) level, it's good to see
>the sisters taking some of this time to talk through their lingering
>issues a bit. I expect they'll be better off for it in the long run.

For the most part, they're both willing to regard the "lost decades" as so much water under the bridge, in the name of moving on with their lives, but on the other hand, you can't just walk away from that kind of thing altogether--and it also provides an opportunity to address the other problem Flandre brought up when talking with G a few episodes ago, namely that they were estranged by circumstances for so long that, on some levels, they're still getting to know each other again.

>>Her eyes steady on her younger sister's, Remilia paused for just a moment,
>>then said with a very slight smile, "And so Prince Vazul Skarlátvörös became
>>Count Victor Scarlet."
>>
>I didn't see this coming during Remilia's story until the paragraph
>immediately preceding this line. I feel a bit dense for not picking up
>that scent sooner.

The original draft of the scene named Victor as Victor right from the start, which made it pretty obvious, but I'd always had it in mind that he had changed his name from something more Eastern when he moved to Alsace, so I changed it around during editing in hopes of this exact thing.

>>Next to her, her younger sister Flandre looked a bit more contemporary, but
>>also slightly funereal, in her black skirt-and-vest set over a white blouse
>>and petticoat.
>
>Bit of a chuckle, for me, here since there's a decent chance that
>Flandre chose that outfit to be cheerful, given vampiric
>fashion sensibilities.

If not cheerful, at least hopeful. It's sort of the same effect as in the first couple of episodes of Strike Witches 2, when Mio's drawn wearing a white swimsuit instead of the usual blue to symbolize that her life is at a turning point.

>I'm not sure if the forum side conversation on vampires and
>photographic technology bore some useful fruit here, or if it was just
>an amusing coincidence that it came up just before this piece.

More the latter--it occurred to me independently that the authorities were going to have a tough time with this part, once I researched it and found that French identity cards did have photos back in those days.

(It wouldn't be that unusual if they didnt; I distinctly remember that Maine driver's licenses didn't when I was little. Although presumably their passports would still have needed pictures, even if the ID cards hadn't.)

>In any case, I am guessing it is one of those "magic is just like
>that" things that somehow whatever prevents vampires from being
>photographed also somehow prevents their clothes from showing up,
>rather than an Invisible Man style presentation.

Yes--the same magical phenomenon as failing to appear in silver-backed mirrors.

>Somehow I feel like most professions have some variation of this,
>though that might be a bad turn of phrase for those pursuits that
>could result in actual bodies.

Yeah, you don't really want, say, ambulance drivers to have techniques for hiding the bodies, for instance.

>Not a bat in a mob cap, but just as adorable.

I suspect the bat will still happen, sometime. :)

Also considered for this sequence: panda Meiling; Inusakuya.

>>When this business with the government is finished, perhaps I should drop in
>>and see him in Folkestone
, Remilia mused, setting aside her teaspoon and taking
>>a sip of red tea. Must pick up a tide chart for the Pas de Calais.
>>
>
>It would be interesting to see if that would go down all that well. I
>don't imagine all military installations, even with witches about, are
>as flexible in the face of the should-be-impossible as witches of St.
>Ulrich.

They wouldn't much care for it at HMS Barbican, but since Project Mogami has been banished to Crone Rock (which is otherwise abandoned at this point), she'd probably get away with it there.

>This sequence does show nicely that both sisters can
>be just as wise as one another, and as their 4+ centuries of life
>would generally have led them to be.

Less obviously so in Flan's case, since she spent most of that time with the alternating sensibilities of a six-year-old and a mean tweenager, but yes. (Her wisdom is more innate than learned, which is also why it's more uneven.)

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19. "RE: GG 3/II: Fait avec Soin"
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   >Well, they're not really the same thing. Tintin was a
>newspaper-supplement comic--granted, one that ran for two pages
>an issue, not three panels, but still, until after World War II it
>worked on a different sort of creative cycle than the kind of comics
>that have the whole magazine to themselves. But yeah, I can't really
>see her being into the whole holographic foil and annual megacrossover
>business. (Then again, that may be at least partly because
>canonically she's a manga collector, since she's a character
>inhabiting a Japanese milieu, and that's a whole different vibe.)

I do wonder how Tintin would have turned out without the political angle to the war. Tintin the reporter was always involved in national disputes, but once the war hit, Hergé essentially remade the character as a adventurer. I mean, it probably didn't hurt his survival chances that Tintin in the Land of the Soviets is essentially an anti-communist hit piece (which happened to be relatively accurate).

I think Tintin and the War Witches would have been an excellent book.

>Yes--the same magical phenomenon as failing to appear in silver-backed
>mirrors.

That sent me on a bit of a research project. It seems that the best mirrors in the Renaissance would have been Venetian -- very expensive, but silvered with a tin amalgam. After about a century of a monopoly on these bad boys, industrial espionage eventually succeeded, and France started mass producing mirrors.

But through history, mirrors would have been made with lots of different things, first water, then copper and bronze, then silver and silvered glass, then steel, then all sorts of plated glass like tin, nickel, mercury alloys, and finally to today's choices of silver-backed glass, aluminum glass, and plastic film.

Though for some reason, of all of the magic that goes on in various stories, the mirror thing bugs me more than anything else because like photons don't have a "bounced of a vampire" metadata bit, like how does that even work???

>The original draft of the scene named Victor as Victor right from the
>start, which made it pretty obvious, but I'd always had it in mind
>that he had changed his name from something more Eastern when he moved
>to Alsace, so I changed it around during editing in hopes of this
>exact thing.

More Eastern? Tell that to my Russian coworker, Victor. )))

Just like to add that the whole relationship between Ben and the Scarlet sisters is turning out to be quite French.


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21. "RE: GG 3/II: Fait avec Soin"
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   >I do wonder how Tintin would have turned out without the political
>angle to the war. Tintin the reporter was always involved in national
>disputes, but once the war hit, Hergé essentially remade the
>character as a adventurer.

What's interesting is that he left him that way after the war. I think even Hergé himself realized by that point that putting a heavy political shading on the comic was limiting his potential audience--and it's also conceivable that his experiences during the war cooled his youthful conservatism somewhat. (Besides which, many people become less crusading by temperament as they age, after all.)

>I think Tintin and the War Witches would have been an excellent
>book.

Heh, I can see it. It would be set during the Battle of Britannia, and involve His Majesty's Government "requisitioning" Marlinspike Hall (as happened to many British stately homes for various War Purposes during the real war) for use as a witch base, much to Captain Haddock's annoyance. And Professor Calculus working with Francie Whittle.

>Though for some reason, of all of the magic that goes on in various
>stories, the mirror thing bugs me more than anything else because like
>photons don't have a "bounced of a vampire" metadata bit, like how
>does that even work???

How do you know they don't? The quantum characteristics of photons are baffling enough in a universe without magic. :)

>More Eastern? Tell that to my Russian coworker, Victor. )))

Well, OK, but all the same, I think you might agree upon reflection that "Vazul" is rather more Eastern, from a West European perspective.

>Just like to add that the whole relationship between Ben and the
>Scarlet sisters is turning out to be quite French.

I know, right? I get the impression that, with the matter finally settled between herself and Remilia for good, Flandre only doesn't declare herself G's mistress because technically he can't have one until he's married. Next she'll be wanting her own apartment conveniently close to his office. :)

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14. "RE: GG 3/II: Fait avec Soin"
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   >>Presently Flandre said, "I went back to M. Constantin's shop again, but it was
>>locked and there was no one inside. I asked in the butcher's shop next door if
>>anyone had seen him..." She looked up, making eye contact with her sister, and
>>went on in a small voice, "... and they said that he had died."
>>Frowning, Remilia took Flandre's nearer hand, squeezing it, and said gently,
>>"I'm so sorry to hear that."
>>"I just saw him yesterday," Flandre said.
>>Remilia nodded. "I know. But... that's the way of things with humans sometimes,
>>I'm afraid. Didn't you tell me he was quite an elderly man?"
>>Flandre shook her head. "No. I mean yes, he was, but you don't understand. They
>>told me he died three years ago. In Britannia. During the occupation."

This bit of the story hit me with so many 'this shop isn't actually here' markers that I figured this was a restless spirit trying to do restless spirit things when Flandre talked with M. Constantin about learning how to make stuffed animals. The 'proud craftsman desperately wanting to pass on their skills to a worthy heir' angle was clear when he handed off his tools to Flandre.

It's a well crafted bit of story, properly foreshadowed between the proprietor's physical age, his implied birthdate (somewhere in the 1850's, or 90 years before the story takes place) and his apparent lack of care for material compensation.


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11. "RE: GG 3/II: Fait avec Soin"
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   What with Tintin and Babar showing up, I wonder if we'll see Gardien de la Paix Clouseau of La Sûreté.
In 1946, the later Inspecteur would have been 21 and likely fresh out of the academy.
I could see pompous whats-his-face snap out of Flan's mind-scramble and run straight to the absolutely WORST police officer to complain.

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18. "RE: GG 3/II: Fait avec Soin"
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   Seeing Mme. Clavel escorting twelve little girls in two straight lines seems more likely, but still not something I'd bet on.

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22. "RE: GG 3/II: Fait avec Soin"
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   Or Saint-Exupéry's Little Prince.


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23. "RE: GG 3/II: Fait avec Soin"
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   LAST EDITED ON Nov-26-20 AT 08:41 AM (EST)
 
Princess, thank you very much. :P We've already met Antoinette Marie Jeanne-Baptiste Roger, Comtesse de Saint-Exupéry of the Free Gallian Air Forces, after all, the reconnaissance expert of the 511th JFW.

Still, that the book would appear, and appeal to Flan, is not at all impossible or unlikely, respectively.

And since I happened to have played it just yesterday evening, La Môme wrote La Vie en rose in 1945. It wasn't recorded until 1947, but she performed it before that. That'd be something for the sister's to hear live, perhaps. :)

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24. "RE: GG 3/II: Fait avec Soin"
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   >And since I happened to have played it just yesterday evening, La
>Môme wrote La Vie en rose in 1945. It wasn't recorded until 1947, but
>she performed it before that. That'd be something for the sister's to
>hear live, perhaps. :)

Heh, as it happens, I kept wanting to use that song in Thicker Than Water, but never did because they couldn't have had the record yet. So now that they're in Paris, that's an idea (although I'm not sure I can see them going to the sort of place Piaf would have been singing in... Pigalle cabaret doesn't really seem like their kind of thing).

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27. "RE: GG 3/II: Fait avec Soin"
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   >Pigalle cabaret doesn't really seem like their kind of
>thing).

Oh, I don't know...Moulin Rouge wasn't THAT bad. There were things that might be seen as risque, but they had "standard" cabaret stuff that too, and featured famous jazz performers, the Cotton Club Parade visited in 1937 for instance, and Piaf performed with Yves Montand in 1944.

But I see what you mean. Still, she also did on-stage shows for the allied forces....could include the 501st. *G*

Just a thought, but, well...Piaf is about as iconically French as it gets. I would have suggested Brel, or Django Reinhardt, but Brel would be all of 17 and his career as a singer is another 7 years away, not to mention he's in Brussels, in his second-to-last year at Institut Saint-Louis, and Reinhardt would be touring the US with Duke Ellington.


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31. "RE: GG 3/II: Fait avec Soin"
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   >>And since I happened to have played it just yesterday evening, La
>>Môme wrote La Vie en rose in 1945. It wasn't recorded until 1947, but
>>she performed it before that. That'd be something for the sister's to
>>hear live, perhaps. :)
>
>Heh, as it happens, I kept wanting to use that song in Thicker Than
>Water
, but never did because they couldn't have had the record
>yet. So now that they're in Paris, that's an idea (although I'm not
>sure I can see them going to the sort of place Piaf would have been
>singing in... Pigalle cabaret doesn't really seem like their kind of
>thing).

Their having been out of touch for so long makes for an easy excuse for this sort of thing. They could either go in with some inaccurate assumptions or, more likely, to see if this thing they have no experience with is something they like or not.

There are almost certainly going to be things where they come out not having liked it, or only having liked particular elements but not the show as a whole.

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28. "RE: GG 3/II: Fait avec Soin"
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   >Seeing Mme. Clavel escorting twelve little girls in two straight lines
>seems more likely, but still not something I'd bet on.

This reminded me that it's been a long time since I read Hotel Bemelmans, Madeline creator Ludwig Bemelmans's memoir of his time working in grand hotels as a boy and young man, which is simultaneously a hoot and kind of horrifying, because boy howdy, the hospitality industry was not the place to be in the early 20th century. (Probably still isn't today, either, but back then, even less so.)

Later in life, Bemelmans claimed in an interview that he came to the US in 1914, aged sixteen, because when he was an apprentice in a hotel in Austria, he was routinely whipped by the headwaiter, and when he warned the man that if it happened again he'd shoot him, it happened again, so he shot him. Later biographers of Bemelmans, including his own son, allowed as how this was probably a tall tale, but I wish to believe that it's true. Some part of me loves the idea that a future well-loved children's illustrator came to the United States as a boy because he was on the lam after shooting his boss.

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29. "RE: GG 3/II: Fait avec Soin"
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   ... This is going to be the fate of the douche who tried to chew out Sakuya, isn't it.

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the getting shot part. not the becoming an adored children's book author and illustrator part.


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30. "RE: GG 3/II: Fait avec Soin"
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   >the getting shot part. not the becoming an adored children's
>book author and illustrator part.

Well, you never know. Such an experience can have a way of changing a man's course in life when it doesn't end it instead.

-IA.

(Besides, he was only a minor annoyance in the end...)


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32. "RE: GG 3/II: Fait avec Soin"
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>Well, you never know. Such an experience can have a way of changing a
>man's course in life when it doesn't end it instead.

"Depend upon it, sir, when a man knows he is to be hanged in a fortnight, it concentrates his mind wonderfully."

As it were.

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15. "RE: GG 3/II: Fait avec Soin"
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   > Rising in turn to face off with her, Flandre insisted, "I could have made a difference."
>
> Remilia shook her head again. "The price would have been too high."
>
> Flandre's fists clenched. "Even for Maman and Papa's lives?" she demanded.
>
> "Yes," said Remilia flatly, her eyes steady on her sister's. "If they were here, they
> would say so themselves."

Indeed. A bit of a great look into how to be a person when everyone else sees you as
a monster

> The old man gave her a curious look. "You don't know Babar? I would have thought, at your
> age... well, never mind," he said, shaking his head. Smiling, he emerged from behind the
> counter, revealing himself to be wearing baggy corduroy trousers and a pair of old house
> slippers. The corduroy went wiff-wiff, wiff-wiff as he made his way slowly to the window,
> reached over the half-height backdrop, and retrieved the elephant, then returned and handed
> it to Flandre.

That was such a DAWWWWWW moment in general I'm glad you decided to add it in. As well as
when Flandre explains to Remilia just WHY this one spoke more to her because of its
loving imperfections!

> 'Give me a long enough lever and a fulcrum on which to place it, and I will move the world.'
> He brought the lever, but you were the fulcrum. If you're not there, and if you don't still
> have hope, none of that happens."

BRRR!!!! All the feels are sending chills down my spine here.

> Her eyes steady on her younger sister's, Remilia paused for just a moment, then said with a
> very slight smile, "And so Prince Vazul Skarlátvörös became Count Victor Scarlet."

HOLY SCHNIKE GRYPH!!!! Just... Whoa, more chills yes warm fuzzy feels!

> "All I ask," said Constantin with his kindly smile, holding both of her hands around the
> shears and looking her in the face, "is that you think of me when you use these, and remember
> what I've taught you."

Which shows this man is a true artiste and master of his craft!

> "It's an honor," she said. "It's such an honor."

Yes, it is Remilia.

> The artist blinked in surprise. "Ah, of course!" he said. "Well. I may be the first painter
> in Paris to have his work used as an official form of identification. That's quite a
> distinction."

... Am I getting this right? That in addition to the portraits going back
to Scarlet Manor, they'll take photos of them to use on the ID cards? Cause... yeah. thats a slick fix!

> Flandre shook her head. "No. I mean yes, he was, but you don't understand. They told me he died
> three years ago. In Britannia. During the occupation."
>
> Remilia's eyes widened. "Oh," she said, a look of dawning amazement on her face.

O.o And here I thought you were going to pass on the more metamystical side of that.

Of COURSE you wernt
expecting it!
No One expects the
FANNISH INQUISITION!

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17. "RE: GG 3/II: Fait avec Soin"
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   >Indeed. A bit of a great look into how to be a person when everyone
>else sees you as a monster

Mm, "Who, exactly, were the monsters here?" has always kind of been the theme of the whole "10th of Floréal" incident.

>> The artist blinked in surprise. "Ah, of course!" he said. "Well. I may be the first painter
>> in Paris to have his work used as an official form of identification. That's quite a
>> distinction."
>
>... Am I getting this right? That in addition to the portraits going back
> to Scarlet Manor, they'll take photos of them to use on the ID cards?

Yup! That's the plan.

>O.o And here I thought you were going to pass on the more
>metamystical side of that.

Pass up a good ghost story, in a series about vampires and witches? I did mod it a bit from the original suggestion, in that the shop is quite real, it's just that it was (from a mundane perspective, anyway) empty the whole time. (That's why it's so dusty and forlorn--not because business is bad in the rebuilding period, because the shop's been abandoned since the summer of 1940.)

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20. "RE: GG 3/II: Fait avec Soin"
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   >>O.o And here I thought you were going to pass on the more
>>metamystical side of that.
>
>Pass up a good ghost story, in a series about vampires and witches? I
>did mod it a bit from the original suggestion, in that the shop
>is quite real, it's just that it was (from a mundane perspective,
>anyway) empty the whole time. (That's why it's so dusty and
>forlorn--not because business is bad in the rebuilding period, because
>the shop's been abandoned since the summer of 1940.)

I do have to wonder (and probably way off base, but hey, hare-brained theories are FUN). I'm thinking that living in a time-shifted bubble for as long as the sisters have, that time itself is perhaps...not quite as solid for them as it would be for others. Making it easier for the 'ghost' (or perhaps briefly, magically time-displaced) toymaker to pass on his skills and tools.

...and if that IS the explanation, there are all SORTS of *very interesting* possibilities, considering how cross-time( and -dimension) Gryphon's life is.



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25. "RE: GG 3/II: Fait avec Soin"
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   It'd probably be rather muted in the "main" universe. After all, there's a working afterlife, with agents (some of whom he knows quite well) to ensure it keeps working. New Avalon has people who ensure that unfinished business gets finished and malevolent phantasms are banished, the dead are often a mere day-pass away, and the gods are even closer.

On the OWaW side, I imagine things are a lot more frayed. The majority of psychopomps probably met their end in whatever left Gungnir lying around to be claimed by the Scarlets, and those who remain are operating without orders and doing the best they can. And on the human side, even though people are pushing back the Neuroi, there are still millions who still lay where they fell, in areas where the inhabitants are hostile to all other known magical creatures.

So I imagine that the majority of this stuff will happen before they go to New Avalon with Gryphon.


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26. "RE: GG 3/II: Fait avec Soin"
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   LAST EDITED ON Nov-26-20 AT 05:01 PM (EST)
 
All of this said, I have a very clear mental image of what Flandre didn't see: M. Constantin standing at the door of his little shop, having just bid her farewell, his final gift(s) in her hands... and, with a fond and utterly peaceful smile, fading silently away.


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33. "RE: GG 3/II: Fait avec Soin"
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   Now that Flandre is making stuffed friends, I offer this as a suggestion for a future project.


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34. "RE: GG 3/II: Fait avec Soin"
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   >Now that Flandre is making stuffed friends, I offer
>this as a suggestion for a future project.

Ha. Wow. Yeah, that is completely her style.

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