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"CTCS 50th Anniversary: No Longer the Limit"
 
   "Why don't we go to the moon?"

Yue: Dìqiú's only natural satellite. For all our recorded history, she has haunted us with her beauty and impressed us with her power. Waterbenders love her. Firebenders fear her. Young lovers pray for her intercession. And always, people have wondered: Could we ever possibly reach high enough to touch her?

And if we could... do we dare try?

Fifty years ago, Professor Asami Sato led a massive international effort to do just that. Now, to mark the 50th anniversary of that historic event, the United Republic Space Agency is proud to present this special commemorative account of the mission's climax: That pivotal moment when the brave crew of the spaceship Agni V, after a journey of more than 80,000 leagues, reached their destination—becoming the first, and so far only, mortal beings from Dìqiú to visit the moon.

Excerpted from Professor Sato's award-winning memoir of Project Phoenix Flight, Challenging the Cold Silence, this is the definitive telling of a story that has captivated all Dìqiú for half a century... and counting:

No Longer the Limit


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CTCS 50th Anniversary: No Longer the Limit [View All] Gryphonadmin Jul-21-19 TOP
  RE: CTCS 50th Anniversary: No Longer the Limit Verbena Jul-21-19 1
  RE: CTCS 50th Anniversary: No Longer the Limit MoonEyes Jul-21-19 2
     RE: CTCS 50th Anniversary: No Longer the Limit Droken Jul-21-19 3
  RE: CTCS 50th Anniversary: No Longer the Limit Senji Jul-21-19 4
  RE: CTCS 50th Anniversary: No Longer the Limit SpottedKitty Jul-21-19 5
     RE: CTCS 50th Anniversary: No Longer the Limit Gryphonadmin Jul-21-19 6
         RE: CTCS 50th Anniversary: No Longer the Limit StClair Jul-24-19 11
             RE: CTCS 50th Anniversary: No Longer the Limit Gryphonadmin Jul-24-19 13
  RE: CTCS 50th Anniversary: No Longer the Limit Peter Eng Jul-21-19 7
     RE: CTCS 50th Anniversary: No Longer the Limit Gryphonadmin Jul-21-19 8
  RE: CTCS 50th Anniversary: No Longer the Limit MoonEyes Jul-23-19 9
     RE: CTCS 50th Anniversary: No Longer the Limit Star Ranger4 Jul-24-19 12
         RE: CTCS 50th Anniversary: No Longer the Limit MoonEyes Jul-25-19 14
             RE: CTCS 50th Anniversary: No Longer the Limit Croaker Jul-29-19 15
                 RE: CTCS 50th Anniversary: No Longer the Limit Gryphonadmin Jul-29-19 16
                     RE: CTCS 50th Anniversary: No Longer the Limit Croaker Jul-30-19 17
                         RE: CTCS 50th Anniversary: No Longer the Limit pjmoyermoderator Jul-30-19 18
                             RE: CTCS 50th Anniversary: No Longer the Limit Croaker Jul-30-19 19
  RE: CTCS 50th Anniversary: No Longer the Limit MuninsFire Jul-23-19 10

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1. "RE: CTCS 50th Anniversary: No Longer the Limit"
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   I'm just going to say this:

Holy shit!

I haven't even had time to read it yet--that will have to wait, I have a long day tomorrow--but I had to come to the forums tonight just to express how amazed I am at the sheer effort you've put into this. It looks amazing. I know how much effort you all must have put into it.

I'll share more later when I can actually read it. =)

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2. "RE: CTCS 50th Anniversary: No Longer the Limit"
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   Well. Ummm. Yeah....

HOT DAMN! That was an EPIC thing in its own right, and with the time, and the meaning? Wow.

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3. "RE: CTCS 50th Anniversary: No Longer the Limit"
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   -SECONDED-

That... that was absolutely spectacular. Oh man, chills the -whole way down-, and then the ending? Even on its own this would have been amazing. Waiting until the 50th anniversary was just an exceptional stroke of excellence.

*deep bow* Well -played- everyone. -Damn- well played.

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4. "RE: CTCS 50th Anniversary: No Longer the Limit"
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   F-ck.

That was perfect.


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5. "RE: CTCS 50th Anniversary: No Longer the Limit"
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   LAST EDITED ON Jul-21-19 AT 06:08 PM (EDT)
 
<pointing upthread> What they said.

Interesting how the use of various bending abilities allows a very different mission plan and spacecraft design. I think I've read all of the released snippets, but I wasn't expecting a direct ascent and plane-type landing profile.

Incidentally, my head-canon is that the final line of the landing transcript is best read in Al Bean's voice. Just listen to the Apollo 12 landing video (a.k.a. the Pete and Al Show) on YouTube. ;)

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6. "RE: CTCS 50th Anniversary: No Longer the Limit"
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   LAST EDITED ON Jul-21-19 AT 06:52 PM (EDT)
 
>Incidentally, my head-canon is that the final line of the landing
>transcript is best read in Al Bean's voice. Just listen to the Apollo
>12 landing video (a.k.a. the Pete and Al Show) on YouTube. ;)

The Apollo 12 episode ("That's All There Is") is probably my favorite of From the Earth to the Moon). It's such a strong counterpoint to "Tranquillity Base". Apollo 11 was Serious Business Undertaken by Serious Men,* two of whom were among the most enigmatic and unknowable astronauts in NASA. Apollo 12 was Pete, Al, and Dick Go to the Moon. :)

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11. "RE: CTCS 50th Anniversary: No Longer the Limit"
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   LAST EDITED ON Jul-24-19 AT 08:31 PM (EDT)
 
I was listening to a segment of the Apollo 11 mission audio from the trip back, on the real-time site, and the conversation turned to how much spaghetti and meatballs they'd have to load onto the next spacecraft to try to match Al Bean's appetite. I love stuff like that, and I'd never heard it before. :)


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13. "RE: CTCS 50th Anniversary: No Longer the Limit"
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   >I was listening to a segment of the Apollo 11 mission audio from the
>trip back, on the real-time site, and the conversation turned to how
>much spaghetti and meatballs they'd have to load onto the next
>spacecraft to try to match Al Bean's appetite. I love stuff
>like that, and I'd never heard it before. :)

Speaking of food on Apollo missions:

- John Young doesn't realize he has a hot mic after the first EVA debrief, Apollo 16

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7. "RE: CTCS 50th Anniversary: No Longer the Limit"
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   I assume that the proper response to "Are you a turtleduck?" is something like, "You bet your sweet assrabbit I am!"

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8. "RE: CTCS 50th Anniversary: No Longer the Limit"
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   >I assume that the proper response to "Are you a turtleduck?" is
>something like, "You bet your sweet assrabbit I am!"

No... no, it's much less ambiguous in Dìqiú. :)

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9. "RE: CTCS 50th Anniversary: No Longer the Limit"
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   Interestingly, just before this epic work came out, I'd been (re)playing Watch Dogs 2. And in it is a notable section about private launch companies putting satellites into space, which leads to a mission breaking into the assembly building of one such company.

Around the room where this assembly happens are a bunch of sound files speaking about the development of space craft as opposed to ships or airplanes, and how a space craft would not be constrained to shapes in the same way as either a ship or a plane, i.e. not needing a certain hull shape or wings, but instead would most likely be shaped to protect the crew from the vagaries of space.

Of course, the Agni V wouldn't be dependent on what an earth-designed-and-built craft would, but I still found the contrast very interesting, and apropos.

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12. "RE: CTCS 50th Anniversary: No Longer the Limit"
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   >Of course, the Agni V wouldn't be dependent on what an
>earth-designed-and-built craft would, but I still found the contrast
>very interesting, and apropos.
>

I am not sure I agree, as the Agni both launched from Diqu and would return to it, and would seem to be limited by a lot of the same restrictions Von Braun's SSO (single stage to orbit... AND BEYOND!) would have had?

This seems to be the one thing our Apollo program had over Diqu's did... that Apollo's command modules vs the lunar landing modules did not have to worry about these things while the Agni did?


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14. "RE: CTCS 50th Anniversary: No Longer the Limit"
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   Well, the propulsion methods were fairly clearly not the same sort of system, is what I meant. So, making a craft that DID have wings, and so on, would have made more sense, and the other issues that faced Apollo would probably not have been of the same kinds and/or magnitudes, either. Thus, Agni V was designed as she was, something notably different from what landed on the natural satellite of Sol 3.

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15. "RE: CTCS 50th Anniversary: No Longer the Limit"
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   >Well, the propulsion methods were fairly clearly not the same sort of
>system, is what I meant. So, making a craft that DID have wings, and
>so on, would have made more sense, and the other issues that faced
>Apollo would probably not have been of the same kinds and/or
>magnitudes, either. Thus, Agni V was designed as she was, something
>notably different from what landed on the natural satellite of Sol 3.
>
>...!
>Stoke Mandeville, Esq & The Victorian Ballsmiths
>"Nobody Want Verdigris-Covered Balls!"

Yeah, the main issue that Apollo had to deal with was weight. They not only had to have enough fuel to lift the payload, but enough fuel to lift that fuel, repeat several times. It's why the Rocket Equation is the devil in the details of exploring the solar system, and why any possible reactionless drive is such a huge thing.

The Agni V does not have to deal with all of that, and so has some massive advantages in terms of payload weight, takeoff/landing methodology, and loiter time (more life support mass available). Of course, it has the major limitation that it's entirely dependent on the availability of the Avatar to provide its main thrust.

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16. "RE: CTCS 50th Anniversary: No Longer the Limit"
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   >Of course, it has the major limitation that it's entirely dependent on
>the availability of the Avatar to provide its main thrust.

And the Comet. The biggest headache the Phoenix Flight mission planners faced was that the launch window was >< that wide, and there was only going to be one of them per century.

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17. "RE: CTCS 50th Anniversary: No Longer the Limit"
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   >>Of course, it has the major limitation that it's entirely dependent on
>>the availability of the Avatar to provide its main thrust.
>
>And the Comet. The biggest headache the Phoenix Flight mission
>planners faced was that the launch window was >< that wide, and there
>was only going to be one of them per century.

That is indeed a pretty major limiting factor. Kinda makes the likelihood of repeat flights pretty much nil.

Unless they can come up with a different arrangement, maybe multi-stage with teams of firebenders working in synch... gonna be difficult.

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18. "RE: CTCS 50th Anniversary: No Longer the Limit"
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   >>And the Comet. The biggest headache the Phoenix Flight mission
>>planners faced was that the launch window was >< that wide, and there
>>was only going to be one of them per century.
>
>That is indeed a pretty major limiting factor. Kinda makes the
>likelihood of repeat flights pretty much nil.
>
>Unless they can come up with a different arrangement, maybe
>multi-stage with teams of firebenders working in synch... gonna be
>difficult.

Well, by that point, they'd forego the "powered by firebending" plan and just go with the multi-stage liquid propellant launchers that had already been used for satellite launches. There hasn't been a return flight to Yue, however, since the need for that got superseded by the announcement of the Veil passages to Zipang and the people there.

--- Philip






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19. "RE: CTCS 50th Anniversary: No Longer the Limit"
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   >Well, by that point, they'd forego the "powered by firebending" plan
>and just go with the multi-stage liquid propellant launchers that had
>already been used for satellite launches. There hasn't been a return
>flight to Yue, however, since the need for that got superseded by the
>announcement of the Veil passages to Zipang and the people there.
>
>--- Philip

Yeah, running into an entire galaxy of populated worlds with easy travel kinda renders the whole thing irrelevant.

In an exciting and yet subtly melancholy way, as I have flashbacks to Corwin and Utena's trip to the moon.

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10. "RE: CTCS 50th Anniversary: No Longer the Limit"
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   I admit that this made me tear up a little. Very powerfully written. Thank you.

In Xanadu did Kubla Khan
A stately pleasure-dome decree
Where Alph, the sacred river, ran
Through caverns measureless to man
Down to a sunless sea


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