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1. "RE: XCOM 2¾ (CAUTION: LONG)"
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   The consensus on how Firaxis has pursued the design iterations of XCOM2 throughout the DLC and now this expansion, which I've seen from a great many people and which I agree with, seems to be "everyone gets ludicrous, borderline broken shit. The borderline broken alien shit takes the form of them throwing what are essentially one-alien-armies at you; the borderline broken human shit takes the form of lots of hardware and lots of specialist skills, allowing you to be able to set up super fucking sick combos with each other that make your team punch way, WAY above its weight class. Have fun!"

And if you get really lucky, sometimes you end up with a one-man-army yourself. I've seen gameplay videos of people who high-rolled a bunch of highly synergistic traits on a guy sending them out to beat back ADVENT by themselves.

The Chosen and the Rulers engender a lot of really strong opinions; there's a lot of heat against them and a lot of love for them as well. It seems to come down to whether you view them as cool-ass puzzles to be solved or if you view them as simply being so out-of-place and so powerful that fighting them feels like an unfair punishment rather than a bracing challenge.

And they are out of place, or at least, they're something of a big design departure. X-Com has always been very, very hard if you chose to make it so. (Terror From The Deep was just hard, period, no matter what.) But earlier iterations sort of... spread that hardness around through the normal guys you encountered and through logistical challenges. Enemies that broke the normal rules of the game were somewhat unusual and usually only broke said rules in limited ways; if an enemy had an opt-out to the standard rules, that was their one trick, their "this is my superpower" thing. Unique enemies weren't really a thing except in extreme cases; the brain in the original X-Com, that souped-up Ethereal in XCOM.

The modern incarnation of the franchise sort of dipped its toe in the water with an explicit class system and talent trees. Exception-based design; "these are the rules, EXCEPT if you have a special power that lets you break the rules." As noted above, sometimes the enemies could do this too, but it was a light touch.

The XCOM2 DLC appears to be where they just went "fuck it" and dove right in. Crazy boss aliens who "cheat." They don't have one superpower, their one cool trick, they're nothing but superpowers.

That's weird. They've never really done that before. Even the Codexes and Avatar weren't like that, although in hindsight they were sort of a taste of things to come.

It might have been aesthetically better to dial them back a bit. I think they'd be more palatable to the people who really can't stand them if they were more boss-y; that is, if their presence in the world did something like give a global buff to their affiliated "regular" enemy type and if you wanted to strip that buff away, you hunt them and kill them. Hunting down and killing colossal powerhouses like the Rulers and the Chosen feels a lot better if you're engaging them on your terms, if the flipside to "they're a one-man army" is "I decide how and when I'm gonna fight them" rather than "they're just gonna show up for tea whenever they like."

I dunno. XCOM2 has been weird. It's such a great game, but it has these odd moments of blindness. Like the timed missions in the pure vanilla version of the game. That was such a brute-force way of solving a player behavior problem and its presence was jarring alongside so many other great mechanics.

> (No good deed goes unpunished in XCOM 2, despite Merc's insistence that
> Firaxis is friend to all scrublords. :)

Hey man, the Rookie difficulty setting is right there. :)

-Merc
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  RE: XCOM 2¾ (CAUTION: LONG) Mercutio Oct-29-17 1
      RE: XCOM 2¾ (CAUTION: LONG) drakensis Oct-29-17 3
   RE: XCOM 2¾ (CAUTION: LONG) StClair Oct-29-17 2
      RE: XCOM 2¾ (CAUTION: LONG) Verbena Oct-29-17 4
      RE: XCOM 2¾ (CAUTION: LONG) Gryphonadmin Oct-29-17 5
   RE: XCOM 2¾ (CAUTION: LONG) Gryphonadmin Oct-29-17 6
      RE: XCOM 2¾ (CAUTION: LONG) StClair Oct-29-17 7
          RE: XCOM 2¾ (CAUTION: LONG) Gryphonadmin Oct-29-17 8
              RE: XCOM 2¾ (CAUTION: LONG) ebony14 Oct-30-17 10
                  RE: XCOM 2¾ (CAUTION: LONG) MoonEyes Oct-30-17 11
                  RE: XCOM 2¾ (CAUTION: LONG) Peter Eng Oct-30-17 12
                      RE: XCOM 2¾ (CAUTION: LONG) Mercutio Oct-30-17 15
      RE: XCOM 2¾ (CAUTION: LONG) Gryphonadmin Oct-29-17 9
   RE: XCOM 2¾ (CAUTION: LONG) Sofaspud Oct-30-17 13
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                  RE: quick update Star Ranger4 Nov-04-17 31
                  RE: quick update Gryphonadmin Nov-05-17 32
   RE: XCOM 2¾ (CAUTION: LONG) Peter Eng Oct-31-17 16
      RE: XCOM 2¾ (CAUTION: LONG) Gryphonadmin Oct-31-17 17
          RE: XCOM 2¾ (CAUTION: LONG) ebony14 Oct-31-17 18
              RE: XCOM 2¾ (CAUTION: LONG) Peter Eng Oct-31-17 19
                  RE: XCOM 2¾ (CAUTION: LONG) Gryphonadmin Oct-31-17 20
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                              RE: XCOM 2¾ (CAUTION: LONG) Mercutio Nov-01-17 25
   RE: XCOM 2¾ (CAUTION: LONG) Peter Eng Nov-01-17 24
   RE: XCOM 2¾ (CAUTION: LONG) MoonEyes Nov-02-17 27
      RE: XCOM 2¾ (CAUTION: LONG) Gryphonadmin Nov-03-17 28
          RE: XCOM 2¾ (CAUTION: LONG) MoonEyes Nov-12-17 38
              RE: XCOM 2¾ (CAUTION: LONG) Gryphonadmin Nov-17-17 39
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   RE: XCOM 2¾ (CAUTION: LONG) Gryphonadmin Dec-04-17 40
      RE: XCOM 2¾ (CAUTION: LONG) Trscroggs Dec-04-17 41
      RE: XCOM 2¾ (CAUTION: LONG) Peter Eng Dec-04-17 42


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