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"FI/TWI: Armistice Day"
 
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[ So this happened... actual finale to Desolation Angel still to come, most likely not as a Forum story but rather the full arc's compilation exclusive. --G.]

Thursday, September 13, 2390
11:12 hrs Asgard Standard Time
Asgard

For many, the day after the Ragnarök was little more than a continuation of the day of the Ragnarök, with the various splinters of the main celebration rolling right on through. For a large number of others, there effectively was no September 13; the day was given up entirely to sleeping off the 12th. There were those, however, who split the difference, spending the day in quiet reflection or otherwise recuperating from the ordeals of the Not-Quite-Last Battle and its titanic afterparty in low-key ways.

Aboard the starship Phoenix Queen, still parked amid the little cluster of Midgardian vessels whose crews had come to participate in the occasion, the ship's captain and a couple of visitors from Valhalla made up part of this third group. In the comfortable surroundings of the well-appointed sitting room of her quarters, Captain Sarah Inazuma sat in her favorite chair, swathed in a red terrycloth robe that was sybaritic in its plushness. She smiled through the gentle curl of steam rising from her teacup while her ship's steward finished serving her (rather more normally dressed) guests.

"Thank you," said one of those guests as he accepted a teacup of his own from the mechanical hand of the captain's steward.

"You're welcome, sir," the robot replied. "Is there anything else you require?" After a pause precisely timed for maximum effect, he added cordially, "Fisto is programmed to provide complete satisfaction."

Zuko deferred his first sip of tea just in time to avoid choking on it, took a moment to compose himself, then replied, "Er, no thank you. I'm good."

"Thank you, Fisto, that'll be all," said Captain Inazuma with a little smile and a sly wink for her discomfited guest.

"Affirmative, Captain," Fisto replied, withdrawing with a butlerly bow before discreetly leaving the compartment.

"I see you still enjoy putting me on the spot," Zuko remarked dryly as he took a sip of his tea.

"One must have one's little pleasures in life," the captain replied airily. "Besides, it's been a long time since I had the opportunity to twist your tail, Zuzu. You can't blame me if you make it so easy... "

Sitting opposite Zuko on the lounge's right-angled modular sofa, their mother smiled and chided her gently, "Azula, don't torment your brother."

"Oh, very well, Mother," said Azula with mock resignation. Then, becoming cheerfully brisk, she said, "So. Tell me all about what went on in the old country after I left. I tried to get an update or two out of Aang last night, but the only things he wanted to talk about were his children and that 'United Republic' thing, the latter of which sounded frankly ill-advised if you ask me."

Thus primed, the three commenced to catch up, trading stories and laughs, in the usual fashion of families that haven't been together in a long, eventful time. Only after a couple of hours had gone by in this pleasant fashion did it suddenly strike Azula how strange that was. She, her brother, and her mother had never actually been a family in any social sense.

"Do you know," she said suddenly, during a natural lull in the conversation, "I don't think the three of us have ever, ever done this before."

Zuko blinked in surprise and glanced at Ursa, who nodded a little sadly. "I think you're right, Azula," she said. "By the time you and Zuko were both old enough to have a day like this, you were no longer really on speaking terms... and there was always the shadow of your father," she added with a troubled frown.

"Well, we're here now," said Zuko pragmatically.

"Yes we are," Azula agreed with a dark little smile. "And Father... isn't." Then, her smile becoming less dark and more sly, she went on, "You two have me at a bit of a disadvantage. I don't know anything at all about what's been going on with you since I left Dìqiú, but it turns out Mother's been spying on me from the Great Beyond for the last sixty years, so I'm guessing you know all about what I've been up to."

"I haven't been spying on you," Ursa protested. "Only... looking in from time to time. To see how you were getting on. After the last time we saw each other in person, it seemed like the least I could do."

"Well, I'm glad you haven't been watching me all the time," Azula quipped with a sly smile. "I'm not a person easily embarrassed, but I've done a few things in my time I wouldn't have wanted my mother to watch me doing... "

Before either of the others could comment, the door behind Azula's chair, which led to her bedroom, glided quietly open. Azula, for her part, seemed unsurprised by this. She didn't even turn to look as a figure stepped, not altogether steadily, through the doorway and paused behind her chair; just sipped her tea, smiling, and said, "Good morning, sweetie."

Zuko could only stare, his jaw dropping, as Katara - still dressed in her now-very-rumpled clothes from last night, her hair in pillow-induced disarray - blinked like an owl in the gentle lights of the sitting room, then glared blearily at the back of Azula's head.

"i hate you," she muttered, her voice a dry croak, as she lurched past the chair and sank into the loveseat opposite the L-sofa.

"There's a shocking revelation," said Azula imperturbably. She casually pressed a key on the intercom panel built into her chair arm and went on, "Fisto, Empress Katara has risen and requires immediate caffeination." After a moment's consideration of Katara (who now sat with her head tipped back against the cushion, eyes closed), she added, "Better make it the special blend."

"Affirmative, Captain," Fisto's voice replied.

Zuko regarded the scene with something very like horror for a few moments, then leaned toward his sister and murmured, "Azula, I cannot believe you," in a voice full of reproach.

Azula raised a questioning eyebrow at him, replying with evidently genuine puzzlement, "What?" Then, as he scowled at her and drew breath to elaborate, she seemed to understand; with a dismissive roll of her eyes, she took a sip of her tea and said unconcernedly, "Oh, Zuzu, really. Just because you've never been able to control your baser urges, don't drag me into your private hell."

Seeing that there was no way he could approach that accusation which didn't end up making everything worse, Zuko subsided into ineffectual sputtering. A moment later, Fisto arrived with not an elegant little teacup, as the others all had, but a big, steaming mug marked with the Phoenix Queen's insignia and the name Phoenix Industries Dìqiú Limited. Katara took this without a word and downed a healthy slug of it without apparent regard for its temperature, then shook her head, opened her eyes, and sat up a little straighter, sighing.

"Thank you," she said, sounding rather more human.

"Your satisfaction is Fisto's purpose," the robot replied with a cordial bow before exiting.

"Well," said Ursa diplomatically, rising, "we had best be getting along, Zuko. We'll see you at dinner, Azula."

"Of course," said Azula. She stood as well, hugging first her mother, then her (still-slightly-befuddled) brother. "This has been lovely, you two," she said as she guided them to the exit. "We must do it again soon."

"Mother, are you sure this is a good idea?" Zuko wondered quietly as he and Ursa descended the ramp and left the ship.

"It'll be fine," Ursa told him. "You have to learn to trust your sister sooner or later, Zuko."

Back aboard, Azula closed the ramp behind them, then returned to her sitting room to find Katara still sitting on the loveseat, contemplating her mostly-empty coffee mug. As Azula entered, she glanced up, then quickly away, her expression awkward.

"I should go," she said, getting carefully to her feet.

"Nonsense," said Azula calmly. "I can't send you back to Aang in that condition, I'd never hear the end of it." Taking Katara's shoulders in her hands, she gently but firmly steered the waterbender back into the bedroom, then aimed her at another door off to one side of the rumpled double bunk. "Go on, in you get. Put your clothes in the chute and then tell the Autospa to give you a Number 34."

Katara resisted momentarily, motivated by a combination of residual distrust and instinctive contrariness, but the idea of an encounter with something called an "Autospa" just at this moment was mightily attractive. After shooting Azula a suspicious glare, she wrested her shoulders from her old enemy's hands and then took herself off to do as instructed anyway.

She emerged thirty very satisfactory minutes later to find her clean, neatly folded clothing on a shelf next to the chute she'd put it in at the beginning, got dressed, put her hair up in its long-accustomed style, and then went to see what Azula had gotten up to in her absence. The bedroom was deserted but all in order now, the bunk neatly made; the red robe Azula had been wearing was hanging on a hook next to the bathroom door. Puzzled, she went forward to find the sitting room empty as well.

Katara had only a vague idea of where anything else in this ship was; the tour she'd taken the night before had come after the feasthall but before the T'ien Zhan Reserve, so it was a bit of a blur. Out in the central corridor, the scent of something cooking simultaneously reminded her that she was catastrophically hungry and gave her all the clue she needed to find her way to the wardroom. Azula (now dressed in stylish modern street clothes, mainly red and black) was in the galley, which was separated from the wardroom only by a low counter, bustling about the compact and efficient space. At Katara's entrance, she looked up and smiled.

"Take a seat," she said, gesturing with a spatula. "Breakfast will be up momentarily."

Caution and curiosity warring within her, Katara slowly took the indicated seat. She was still trying to look suspicious, but by this point it was mainly just coming across as bemusement - which only deepened a few moments later, as Azula came out from behind the counter with a plate in one hand and a tall glass of something blue in the other, put them down in front of her, and then went back to get a similar set of items for herself.

"There," she said, sitting down opposite her guest and arranging her own place setting. "That should set you up nicely."

Katara eyed the plate, upon which a small stack of golden-brown discs gently steamed. The sight seemed to make up her mind between suspicion and confusion; with a mild scowl, she looked up from the plate and inquired sharply, "What is this, Azula?"

"A delicacy from the Big Universe," Azula replied pleasantly. "They're called 'pancakes'."

"I know what they are," Katara snapped.

Azula gave her a puzzled look. "Then why did you ask?"

Katara squelched her first response, closing her eyes for a moment to get a handle on her composure again. When she opened them again, the question she asked instead came as a slight surprise even to her:

"You can cook?"

Azula half-smiled. "Yes, Katara, I can cook. I can do quite a number of things, not to brag. I can cook, I can play drums and the guitar (not at the same time, obviously), I speak nine languages, and I'm a licensed scuba instructor. I have master's degrees in electrical engineering and business administration from the Nekomi Institute of Technology on Tomodachi. I also do calligraphy, flower arranging, and shiatsu massage."

Katara stared at her for a second or two, her expression hard to read, and then demanded, "Why are you being nice to me?"

Azula shrugged slightly. "Why not? The other way clearly never got me anywhere."

Katara closed her eyes again, pressing her fingers to her forehead. "Be serious."

"I am serious," Azula insisted. "What else can I do? Eat your pancakes before they get cold."

"... Fine," growled Katara. Picking up her knife and fork, she sawed a triangular section out of the stack and ate it, her expression slowly changing from wary annoyance to surprise as she chewed. "These are really good," she said reluctantly, as if confessing a crime.

"Thank you," said Azula cordially. "Try the bluapple juice, it's fresh."

From that point until the end of the meal, they said little, apart from the point where Azula offered and Katara accepted a second helping. After that, they lingered over another cup of coffee in a silence that had almost become companionable, until Katara asked:

"What happened last night?"

"Ahh, if I had a yuan for every time I've been asked that question over coffee," said Azula nostalgically.

Katara's cheeks reddened slightly. "No, I mean - stop that!"

"Sorry," said Azula with at least a fair semblance of sincerity. "You have to admit your wording did rather invite it," she added contritely.

Katara sighed, rubbing her forehead again. "I only agreed to have that one drink with you because if I hadn't, Aang would've given me the sad face. How did that manage to turn into a whole series of drinks, a tour of your ship, an entire bottle of wine, and waking up - fully clothed, thank you, and will you stop that - in your bed?"

Azula shrugged again, the picture of unconcern. "I have no idea," she admitted; then, with a smile that was at once slightly wry and slightly shy, she added, "But I'm glad it did. Do you remember what we discussed over the wine?"

"Only vaguely," said Katara. "I seem to recall it started with a revisitation of that half-baked non-apology you came up with at dinner."

Azula chuckled dryly. "It did, yes. From there... well, the short version is that it developed into an examination of the fruit-of-the-poison-tree doctrine vis-à-vis my actions during the War and any good I might've managed to do for anyone since." Her wry smile flickered on again as she added, "You took rather a hard line."

"Hnh," said Katara noncommittally into her coffee.

"In the end, though, I think we might've met somewhere near the middle. And, for the record, it wasn't a non-apology. You might be dissatisfied with what I apologized for, but the apology itself was sincere. I was wrong, I was cruel, I hurt you and the people you love, and I'm sorry for it."

Katara blinked at her in surprise. Azula's face had gone utterly still now, more completely serious than Katara had seen her in a long, long time - perhaps ever, because her seriousness now lacked both the manic edge it had had of old, and the slightly histrionic touch of drama she'd laced it with at the victory dinner. She was quiet, perfectly composed, her amber eyes steady and solemn, as she said,

"I suffered hardships and humiliations of my own in those days, you know." She held up a hand before Katara could say something scornful and went on, "That isn't an excuse, nor is it meant as one. On the contrary, it's an admission. It means I should have known better." She shook her head. "Instead of learning compassion from the cruelty I endured, I let it harden me."

Azula closed her eyes, and Katara was shocked to see a tear slip down her face. Her old foe had always been good at concealing her emotions, to the point where even Toph Beifong couldn't tell when she was hiding something; but this... this was different. This was new.

"Harden me... and make me brittle," Azula murmured, her eyes still closed; and then, almost inaudibly, she added in disgust: "Even when I was strong I was weak."

Katara was not a person accustomed to finding herself at a loss for words, but she did now. For a dozen or more seconds she sat regarding the still, silent figure opposite her at the wardroom table, her mind racing. A half-dozen different replies came to mind; she discarded them all before they could reach her lips, as two essential facets of her spirit battled against each other within her. On the one hand, she was a caring, compassionate woman, a doctor and healer, a person in whom hope for the future had never quite died even in the darkest moments of the war. On the other, she was a warrior of the Southern Water Tribe - tough, tenacious, a survivor; but that same tenacity made her stubborn and slow to forgive.

The latter was a side of her character of which she was not always altogether proud, but it was there and she'd long ago learned to deal with it. It was simply part of her nature, as Aang's goofy optimism, Zuko's habit of reproaching himself, Toph's megalomania, and Sokka's roving eye were parts of theirs. The important thing was to be mindful of it - to assess constantly whether it was digging in its heels for good reason, or just out of habit.

She hadn't quite decided in this case - there was so much history there, she wasn't sure she'd ever be able to just let it go - but under the present circumstances, she was shocked to find herself thinking, it might be worth at least attempting.

"You're... really serious about this," she said at length, her tone of voice suggesting that she at least wanted to believe it.

Azula opened her eyes and regarded Katara soberly for a few seconds more before replying, "I am capable of being serious; I just don't usually want to these days." She smiled bitterly. "You've seen what happens when I take life too seriously, Katara. It's why you hate me so."

Katara came halfway out of her seat and began to object automatically, "I don't - " Then she stopped, blinking in surprise at herself, and slowly resumed her seat. "... All right, maybe I do," she admitted. "I certainly used to, and... " She sighed. "I can't change overnight. Even a night like last night," she added with a wry attempt at a smile. "But... there are those here who've always had hopes for you. And your crew came all this way. Do you have any idea what an incredible achievement that is? They found their way to the Bifröst, dared to cross it, volunteered to fight in the war at the end of the world... all for you."

Azula smiled a bit wanly. "They're good people," she said.

"I know," said Katara. "I could tell. When they arrived, nobody in Valhalla Command knew what to do with them. They weren't with the rest of the WDF contingent, didn't seem to have any good reason to be here, and your man Boone was... very forceful when challenged." Azula mustered a chuckle for that as Katara went on, "They might all have ended up sitting out the Ragnarök in the stockade if Veronica hadn't mentioned Dìqiú. When the guards heard that, instead of locking them up, they brought them to me."

"And you put them in the line exactly where I would be," Azula mused. She gave her wan smile again. "Well played, General Katara. If they hadn't been there, I expect Zuzu would have had to kill me to stop me."

"I - " Katara hesitated, then said slowly, "I thought we'd have to anyway. When Boone reported that he had a shot and I told him to take it... I was expecting him to kill you."

"Ah," said Azula. "That explains why he claimed he had intended to last night; to save your blushes. Did you think I'd turned willingly? Changed my mind about rejoining Father's 'team'?"

Katara looked at her for a moment, then away. "Something like that," she admitted.

"Hm. Well, I suppose in your place I'd probably have assumed the same."

The two women sat regarding each other in contemplative silence for nearly a minute, neither moving.

Then Katara said, "This is awkward."

Azula gave an involuntary snort of laughter. "Just a bit," she allowed. Then she got to her feet, sobering again, and went on, "I don't expect you to be my friend, Katara. Not after all our history, however ancient it is now. I only hope that someday, we'll at least discover that we're no longer enemies. For now... let's just call it an armistice." She offered a hand across the table.

Katara got up and regarded the hand for a moment, then looked Azula in the eye again. Then, silently acknowledging that she would probably never really know what she saw there (and still unconsciously one-tenth-expecting some violent consequence), she took it.

"All right," she said. "Let's start there."

Azula smiled slightly. "We have to start somewhere."


The following morning, the rest of the Midgard contingent had long since departed and the spirits of the Avatars past had returned to the Spirit World. Of those who had come from without Asgard to take part in the Ragnarök, only the Phoenix Queen remained, and she too was preparing to depart. With her crew rounded up and aboard, Azula stood at the base of the ramp and said her goodbyes.

"I'd say 'look after yourselves'," she remarked, "but given that you're all dead anyway, that seems a bit silly."

"We're not dead, we're battling evil in another dimension!" Sokka insisted.

"And dead," Toph put in.

"You look after yourself, Azula," said Ursa with a smile. Beckoning her daughter into her arms, she added, "I'm looking forward to seeing you again, but I want the day when you're not just visiting to be a long time coming."

"I'll do what I can," said Azula, returning her mother's embrace. "In the meantime," she added wryly, "there are always mirrors. You'll have to show me how you do that. It has definite potential." Without entirely releasing Ursa, she turned her head and regarded Zuko for a second, and then - to his surprise - pulled him into the hug as well.

"Group hug!" Sokka declared, joining in.

"Nooope, too weird for me," said Toph.

"I know, right?" Mai agreed.

Off to one side, Suki leaned toward Katara and muttered, "Uh, did I miss a memo last night? Have they all forgotten that she's pure evil?"

"I'm... not so sure about that any more," Katara mused, drawing an incredulous look from the Kyoshi Warrior.

"Well, Mai, I guess this is goodbye again," Azula said once the others had turned her loose. "You're sure I can't convince you to run away and rejoin the circus?"

Mai actually smiled at that, albeit only faintly. "Heh, no thank you," she said. "I'm good right here."

"Suit yourself," said Azula with exaggerated resignation. "But I have to tell you, I think you're missing a good time." She ceremoniously shook her old friend's hand, then looked around. "I guess that only leaves one loose end... "

"Looking for me?" came a voice from behind her. Turning, she saw Ty Lee standing at the top of the ramp, a light travel bag slung over one shoulder, smirking faintly.

"It took you long enough to get your paperwork done," said Azula. "I was afraid I'd have to leave without you."

Ty Lee grinned. "Yeah, well, waitin' on you now," she said cheerfully, then turned and vanished into the ship.

"Out of her tiny mind," Mai deadpanned.

"I know, right?" Toph agreed.

"Well, goodbye, all," said Azula briskly. "I'd say we should do it again sometime, but frankly I think next time we should skip the end of the universe and just have lunch." She made the firebender salute and bowed, then turned and trotted up the ramp.

The group of Einherjar stood and watched, some waving, as the Phoenix Queen lifted off and winged away, disappearing into the brightly sunlit sky.

"Armistice Day" - a Twilight / Desolation Angel Mini-Story by Benjamin D. Hutchins
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   I really, really like this. I do.

I can't do it proper justice at the moment -- and I'm no Merc, able to pontificate clearly at the drop of a hat -- but now that I'm unemployed I will hopefully have more time, so I'm going to try to come back to this in the next day or so and give a shot at detailing why I like it.

But in the meantime... thanks, Gryph. This made my night.

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   >I'm going to try to
>come back to this in the next day or so and give a shot at detailing
>why I like it.

Well, I look forward to it, then. In the meantime, I'm glad you did. :)

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   >fruit-of-the-poison-tree

Azula discovered William Blake at some point in her career, I take it?


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   >>fruit-of-the-poison-tree
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>Azula discovered William Blake at some point in her career, I take it?

Very possibly; it strikes me that his style would appeal to her. ("In what distant deeps or skies / burnt the fire of thine eyes? / On what wings dare he aspire? / What the hand dare seize the fire?")

In this particular case, though, she's talking about the legal principle that evidence obtained legally (say, a confession) as a result of evidence obtained illegally (e.g., interrogatory leverage acquired through an illegal search) is itself inadmissible, because it wouldn't have been discovered without the original illegal act. Azula uses it as a metaphor for Katara's starting position, during their wine-infused argument, that any good she might've managed to do for the universe since Karafuto is invalidated by the fact that she was the worst person in the history of the world before then. This is not, perhaps, the most fully formed legal argument ever put forward, but then it was very late at night by that point.

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   >This is not, perhaps, the most fully formed legal argument
>ever put forward, but then it was very late at night by that point.

Logical discussion always seems less so in hindsight the closer you get to the bottom of the bottle.

That goes double if you have to ask "which bottle?"...

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   Less clear yes, but infinatly more interesting. From both an outside perspective and hindsight.

Also, am I the only one vaguely worried that Ty Lee is going in to the 'Big Universe'? I have a persistant nibble on what, exactly, would happen if/when she gets to Kane's World and encounters Joker/Harley.

(For the record, it involves a lot of awesome.)

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7. "RE: FI/TWI: Armistice Day"
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   >Also, am I the only one vaguely worried that Ty Lee is going in to the
>'Big Universe'? I have a persistant nibble on what, exactly, would
>happen if/when she gets to Kane's World and encounters Joker/Harley.

Well, by 2390 the Joker's been Dead-with-a-capital-D for eight years and Harley's still got 12 to go in Blackgate, so I'm guessing "not a lot". :)

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8. "RE: FI/TWI: Armistice Day"
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   LAST EDITED ON Apr-29-14 AT 01:00 PM (EDT)
 
>>Also, am I the only one vaguely worried that Ty Lee is going in to the
>>'Big Universe'? I have a persistant nibble on what, exactly, would
>>happen if/when she gets to Kane's World and encounters Joker/Harley.
>
>Well, by 2390 the Joker's been Dead-with-a-capital-D for eight years
>and Harley's still got 12 to go in Blackgate, so I'm guessing "not a
>lot". :)

So it takes her over a decade to get there... It's not like she's going to run out of time or anything. <grin>

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9. "RE: FI/TWI: Armistice Day"
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   LAST EDITED ON Apr-30-14 AT 11:09 PM (EDT)
 
As promised...

>
>"You're welcome, sir," the robot replied. "Is there
>anything else you require?
" After a pause precisely timed for
>maximum effect, he added cordially, "Fisto is programmed to
>provide complete satisfaction.
"

*snort*


>
>Sitting opposite Zuko on the lounge's right-angled modular sofa, their
>mother smiled and chided her gently, "Azula, don't torment your
>brother."
>

I liked what little I saw of their mother in the original series. I'm glad you're bringing her out of the fridge.


>"Do you know," she said suddenly, during a natural lull in the
>conversation, "I don't think the three of us have ever, ever done this
>before."
>
>Zuko blinked in surprise and glanced at Ursa, who nodded a little
>sadly. "I think you're right, Azula," she said. "By the time you and
>Zuko were both old enough to have a day like this, you were no longer
>really on speaking terms... and there was always the shadow of your
>father," she added with a troubled frown.

Shadow. Yes, well, I suppose that's one term for it.

>Zuko could only stare, his jaw dropping, as Katara - still dressed in
>her now-very-rumpled clothes from last night, her hair in
>pillow-induced disarray - blinked like an owl in the gentle lights of
>the sitting room, then glared blearily at the back of Azula's head.
>

*spittake*


>"i hate you," she muttered, her voice a dry
>croak, as she lurched past the chair and sank into the loveseat
>opposite the L-sofa.
>

This, for the record, is where the grin really started. It only got wider from this point forward.


>"Your satisfaction is Fisto's purpose," the robot replied
>with a cordial bow before exiting.

This isn't the first time Fisto has appeared, and Google is of course My Friend so I should know where he's from, but frankly I'm scared to type "fisto" into a search box.

I don't *need* to know -- the character's enjoyable as-is without prior knowledge -- but if there's an in-joke here I'm missing besides the obvious one then I'm still missing it. :)

>Katara stared at her for a second or two, her expression hard to read,
>and then demanded, "Why are you being nice to me?"
>
>Azula shrugged slightly. "Why not? The other way clearly
>never got me anywhere."
>

This entire exchange is really good. I like it a lot more than I liked their previous banter during the party. During the party Azula seemed... smug, I suppose. Katara wasn't any better. I certainly get that these grudges have been building for a long time, but neither of them seemed ready at the party to really lay down the axes.

Here it seems that Katara's the one holding more of a grudge. I don't know that I agree with that -- Katara's always struck me as the forgiving type -- but I can't argue against the presentation. It *makes sense*, regardless of what I think of her character.

I *really* like how you've broken, then fixed, Azula. I always felt like she got the short end of the stick in the original series, and seeing her in UF is refreshing.


>"Only vaguely," said Katara. "I seem to recall it started with a
>revisitation of that half-baked non-apology you came up with at
>dinner."
>

That... is an amazingly apt description. That's what I remember thinking while reading that scene: "This isn't an apology, Azula..."

Of course, I'm not sure how justified one would be in demanding an apology from someone who was *clearly* out of their gourd when the did the bad things, but that's not exactly the point.


>Azula chuckled dryly. "It did, yes. From there... well, the short
>version is that it developed into an examination of the
>fruit-of-the-poison-tree doctrine vis-à-vis my actions during
>the War and any good I might've managed to do for anyone since." Her
>wry smile flickered on again as she added, "You took rather a hard
>line."
>
>"Hnh," said Katara noncommittally into her coffee.
>

"Hnh," I said, and turned to the dictionary.


>"In the end, though, I think we might've met somewhere near the
>middle. And, for the record, it wasn't a non-apology. You might be
>dissatisfied with what I apologized for, but the apology itself
>was sincere. I was wrong, I was cruel, I hurt you and the people you
>love, and I'm sorry for it."
>

Ah, but, it's all in the presentation, Azula my dear.



>her spirit battled against each other within her. On the one hand,
>she was a caring, compassionate woman, a doctor and healer, a person
>in whom hope for the future had never quite died even in the darkest
>moments of the war. On the other, she was a warrior of the Southern
>Water Tribe - tough, tenacious, a survivor; but that same tenacity
>made her stubborn and slow to forgive.
>

This actually makes your interpretation of Katara make a helluva lot of sense. I can see it. Again, not sure if I agree, but I can see it.

The bitch of it is I lack the skill to explain *why* I feel like Katara is slightly off somehow. I look at her here and something just doesn't seem quite right, but I don't know what it is.

Like I said above though, the UF!Katara makes sense as a character, and this part here shows why you went the way you did with her. Which makes me happy; I don't have to agree with how you portray a character to still enjoy the portrayal of that character, if that makes sense.

>"Ah," said Azula. "That explains why he claimed he had intended to
>last night; to save your blushes. Did you think I'd turned willingly?
> Changed my mind about rejoining Father's 'team'?"
>

If this had been her debut in the UF setting, I would *totally* have thought that... though I would have also suspected that you were setting up a reversal of some sort, because UF is where characters go to become awesome again after their original writers forget how to treat them right.


>"I'd say 'look after yourselves'," she remarked, "but given that
>you're all dead anyway, that seems a bit silly."
>
>"We're not dead, we're battling evil in another dimension!" Sokka
>insisted.

*slow clap*


>"Armistice Day" - a Twilight / Desolation Angel Mini-Story
>by Benjamin D. Hutchins
>special to the Eyrie Productions Discussion Forum
>© 2014 Eyrie Productions, Unlimited

And a damn fine read, sir. Thank you.

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10. "RE: FI/TWI: Armistice Day"
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   LAST EDITED ON Apr-30-14 AT 11:33 PM (EDT)
 
>>"Your satisfaction is Fisto's purpose," the robot replied
>>with a cordial bow before exiting.
>
>This isn't the first time Fisto has appeared, and Google is of course
>My Friend so I should know where he's from, but frankly I'm scared to
>type "fisto" into a search box.

As well you should be.

Here, then, is Nukapedia's entry on Fisto, more formally the Fully Integrated Security Technotronic Officer. The UF version is slightly different, in that he's also still got his security programming and he's quite a competent butler.

>Here it seems that Katara's the one holding more of a grudge. I don't
>know that I agree with that -- Katara's always struck me as the
>forgiving type -- but I can't argue against the presentation. It
>*makes sense*, regardless of what I think of her character.

[snipped and rearranged for context's sake]

>>her spirit battled against each other within her. On the one hand,
>>she was a caring, compassionate woman, a doctor and healer, a person
>>in whom hope for the future had never quite died even in the darkest
>>moments of the war. On the other, she was a warrior of the Southern
>>Water Tribe - tough, tenacious, a survivor; but that same tenacity
>>made her stubborn and slow to forgive.
>>
>
>This actually makes your interpretation of Katara make a helluva lot
>of sense. I can see it. Again, not sure if I agree, but I can see
>it.
>
>The bitch of it is I lack the skill to explain *why* I feel like
>Katara is slightly off somehow. I look at her here and something just
>doesn't seem quite right, but I don't know what it is.
>
>Like I said above though, the UF!Katara makes sense as a character,
>and this part here shows why you went the way you did with her. Which
>makes me happy; I don't have to agree with how you portray a character
>to still enjoy the portrayal of that character, if that makes sense.

Katara - particularly in Book 3 of ATLA - is a lot like the Mark Ruffalo Bruce Banner in my head. Outwardly zen most of the time - indeed, very pleasant, someone you'd like to hang out with - but underneath that, down inside, very angry and, if you are one of the people she's angry WITH, incredibly dangerous. She doesn't show it very often, but when she does she's terrifying, and one of the things that can most reliably bring it out of her is the Fire Nation, because of what they've done to her family. She was the last of Aang's team to accept Zuko's turn, she once basically turned an entire thunderstorm into a gun and pointed it at an old man's head, and the second-to-last time she'd seen Azula before the Ragnarök, she goddamn near killed her to death. I know she's sweet and pretty and motherly and doting and all, but she will fucking cut you if you push her too hard.

She's a lot like Belldandy, too, actually. I expect they get along very well. :)

I acknowledge that this is not necessarily a view of her that everyone will take away from ATLA, but it's the one I emerged with, not a deliberate variation/embellishment on my part (as opposed to, say, the joke about Azula being good at shiatsu massage). :)

>I *really* like how you've broken, then fixed, Azula. I always felt
>like she got the short end of the stick in the original series, and
>seeing her in UF is refreshing.

I had very high hopes for the comics followup to ATLA that promised to explore Azula's fate after the very unsatisfactory nonresolution her arc received on TV, and was very disappointed when it turned out to be a) mostly rubbish* and b) still not resolved. Desolation Angel is basically my reaction to that, distributed unevenly among the gaps in a school year. :)

It's interesting to me, given that I'm not a particular fan of Ernest Hemingway, how often characters' arcs in UF come back to that passage from A Farewell to Arms that has been quoted many times on these boards: "If people bring so much courage to this world that the world has to kill them to break them, so of course it kills them. The world breaks everyone, and afterward many are strong at the broken places; but those that will not break, it kills." (Paraphrased from memory, but I think it's pretty close; I've quoted it often enough.)

>Of course, I'm not sure how justified one would be in demanding an
>apology from someone who was *clearly* out of their gourd when the did
>the bad things, but that's not exactly the point.

That's true, and has not eluded many of Katara's loved ones over the years, but it's part of the blind spot she has about the wartime Fire Nation in general. She had a hard time accepting Ty Lee and Mai into the club too, and in Mai's case probably still only really puts up with her for Zuko's sake. :)

>>fruit-of-the-poison-tree doctrine
>
>"Hnh," I said, and turned to the dictionary.

(I've gone into this elsewhere in the thread, if there's still some uncertainty.)

>And a damn fine read, sir. Thank you.

You're welcome; glad you enjoyed it.

--G.
* Though, in fairness, it did contain one good line that I was able to steal and turn around in this piece.
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11. "RE: FI/TWI: Armistice Day"
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   >>Here it seems that Katara's the one holding more of a grudge. I don't
>>know that I agree with that -- Katara's always struck me as the
>>forgiving type -- but I can't argue against the presentation. It
>>*makes sense*, regardless of what I think of her character.
{snip}
>Katara - particularly in Book 3 of ATLA - is a lot like the Mark
>Ruffalo Bruce Banner in my head. Outwardly zen most of the time -
>indeed, very pleasant, someone you'd like to hang out with - but
>underneath that, down inside, very angry and, if you are one of
>the people she's angry WITH, incredibly dangerous. She doesn't
>show it very often, but when she does she's terrifying, and one
>of the things that can most reliably bring it out of her is the Fire
>Nation, because of what they've done to her family. She was the last
>of Aang's team to accept Zuko's turn, she once basically turned an
>entire thunderstorm into a gun and pointed it at an old man's head,
>and the second-to-last time she'd seen Azula before the Ragnarök, she
>goddamn near killed her to death. I know she's sweet and pretty and
>motherly and doting and all, but she will fucking cut you if
>you push her too hard.

Uh, yeah. Much as I like Katara - and she's had 100+ years since the events of AtLA... but forgiving? If you're on her good people list, yes. Sokka, Aang, her father... yes. But if you're not? Zuko and to a lesser degree Toph had some definite work to do before they got on that list. Azula really hasn't made that sort of effort.

Azula's considerably more pragmatic and those two worldviews colliding... best viewed from a safe distance.

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15. "RE: FI/TWI: Armistice Day"
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   > Zuko and to a
>lesser degree Toph had some definite work to do before they got on
>that list.

Worth noting: Katara was willing to use her incredibly rare spirit water to heal Zuko's facial scar after he'd spent six months chasing them across the world, tying Katara to trees and almost getting Aang frozen to death and suchly.

She's pretty empathetic.

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17. "RE: FI/TWI: Armistice Day"
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   >Worth noting: Katara was willing to use her incredibly rare spirit
>water to heal Zuko's facial scar after he'd spent six months chasing
>them across the world, tying Katara to trees and almost getting Aang
>frozen to death and suchly.
>
>She's pretty empathetic.

Or she was that tired of looking at it.

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12. "RE: FI/TWI: Armistice Day"
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   And here I thought Fisto was a reference to MOTU... which immediately begged the question about exactly what he would do to provide said "satisfaction".

(Followed by an immediate quest for brain bleach).

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   > In the comfortable
>surroundings of the well-appointed sitting room of her quarters,
>Captain Sarah Inazuma sat in her favorite chair, swathed in a red
>terrycloth robe that was sybaritic in its plushness.

I see Azula continues her long and proud tradition of having important conversations with Zuko while dressed in her bedclothes.

At least she's not hitting on him this time.

>"Oh, very well, Mother," said Azula with mock resignation. Then,
>becoming cheerfully brisk, she said, "So. Tell me all about what went
>on in the old country after I left. I tried to get an update or two
>out of Aang last night, but the only things he wanted to talk
>about were his children and that 'United Republic' thing, the latter
>of which sounded frankly ill-advised if you ask me."

"Also the former, come to think of it."

>Thus primed, the three commenced to catch up, trading stories and
>laughs, in the usual fashion of families that haven't been together in
>a long, eventful time.

You know, I understand the reasons why this can't really be shown in detail, but man, I am sorry to not see Azula's various responses and reactions to future developments both re: the Fire Nation and Zuko disseminating his genetic code, the latter of which would be a topic of intense interest to her.

I also am entirely sure, in my own mind, that even after all these years Azula would be able to guess exactly how many assassination attempts Zuko had to dodge during his first decade of ruling, plus or minus no more than two or three.

>Azula raised a questioning eyebrow at him, replying with evidently
>genuine puzzlement, "What?" Then, as he scowled at her and drew
>breath to elaborate, she seemed to understand; with a dismissive roll
>of her eyes, she took a sip of her tea and said unconcernedly, "Oh,
>Zuzu, really. Just because you've never been able to
>control your baser urges, don't drag me into your private
>hell."

"We were both widowed and in our eighties, Azula. There was nothing really 'base' about it."

>"It'll be fine," Ursa told him. "You have to learn to trust your
>sister sooner or later, Zuko."

That's a lie and Ursa knows it. :)

> Azula (now dressed
>in stylish modern street clothes, mainly red and black)

While contemplating Azula's potential fashion choices when given options that didn't include ridiculously puffy pants or pointy shoes, I came to the conclusion that at some point, she would definitely have earned a Corellian Bloodstripe if for no other reason than to look boss.

>"You can cook?"

"Because Mai and Ty Lee have stories about your days on the road. Did you really figure out how to burn water? Because Zuko and I tried to figure that one out and came up empty."

>Azula half-smiled. "Yes, Katara, I can cook. I can do quite a
>number of things, not to brag. I can cook, I can play drums
>and the guitar (not at the same time, obviously), I speak nine
>languages, and I'm a licensed scuba instructor. I have degrees in
>electrical engineering and business administration from the Nekomi
>Institute of Technology on Tomodachi. I also do calligraphy, flower
>arranging, and shiatsu massage."

Azula's higher education... really, even her secondary education... must have been interesting to anyone who probably grew up with a classical Chinese view on the forms and states of matter. "Fire is made out of fire. What else could it be made out of? It isn't air or water or earth. Stop trying to trick me!"

>"Only vaguely," said Katara. "I seem to recall it started with a
>revisitation of that half-baked non-apology you came up with at
>dinner."

Ah, here we go.

>"I - " Katara hesitated, then said slowly, "I thought we'd have to
>anyway. When Boone reported that he had a shot and I told him to take
>it... I was expecting him to kill you."

I choose to believe that during that ellipses, she changed out "hoping he would" to "expecting him to."

>"Ah," said Azula. "That explains why he claimed he had intended to
>last night; to save your blushes. Did you think I'd turned willingly?
> Changed my mind about rejoining Father's 'team'?"
>
>Katara looked at her for a moment, then away. "Something like that,"
>she admitted.

More probably, Katara assumed that Azula never really left Team Burninate, but is too polite to say so while still sort of hung over. :)

>"We're not dead, we're battling evil in another dimension!" Sokka
>insisted.

I also choose to believe that Sokka toyed heavily with the idea of cashing in his return ticket to Diqiu just to fuck with people. Do a bunch of book signings, maybe try and get his acting career going again, pose for selfies on top of the graves of his enemies, that kind of thing. Publish some of the stuff he's written while in Asgard, like his completely unauthorized biography of Avatar Kyoshi.

Decided against it when he couldn't talk Toph into coming along.

>"Looking for me?" came a voice from behind her. Turning, she saw Ty
>Lee standing at the top of the ramp, a light travel bag slung over one
>shoulder, smirking faintly.

... yes.

This.

All of this. God damn, do I want to see Azula and Ty Lee tool around the galaxy being awesome girlfriends together. I want to see the shopping trip that happens the first time they make port. I want to see Azula buy all the pink things ever for Ty Lee and justify it to herself on the grounds that it's not pink, it's a light red. I want to see Ty Lee take her to Republic City and Caldera and show her all the awesome shit that she and Zuko and Mai and everyone helped build after the war. I want to see them eat noodles in Firetown and see Azula see interbending families with multiple forms of bending in the same family unit and acknowledge that maybe there's something to all that unity crap after all.

Thank god for the power of imagination.

>"Armistice Day" - a Twilight / Desolation Angel Mini-Story
>by Benjamin D. Hutchins
>special to the Eyrie Productions Discussion Forum
>© 2014 Eyrie Productions, Unlimited

Hmm. Okay, I have structural thoughts on this one that I tried to think of a place to put in-line, but couldn't, so... here at the end, I guess.

This installment is both good and necessary. Without knowing precisely what you have planned for the finale (and what, if anything, got hived off of it and transitioned into this) I still think I can confidently say that as a bridging scene, if nothing else, Armistice Day is doing yeomans work.

And I like how it is established that Katara is just going to be wierdsies about Azula for awhile. I know you'll likely resent the comparison, but it makes sense in context of both her treatment of Zuko prior to The Southern Raiders and of Azula herself during The Search, during which Katara was quite tolerant of Azula's constant and repeated freakouts. Katara will put up with a lot of shit even from people she really hates as long as there is even a soupcon of evidence of good faith.

And what really works best is the dichotomy of attitude. That's well-portrayed. Katara hasn't seen Azula in forever, and despite her young age, Katara was fully realized as a person the last time they had any interaction at all. So she's just, you know... being Katara. And being in the presence of Azula must almost be like being in the immediate postwar period all over again.

Azula, though, has been Captain Inazuma for a really long time, and while I could debate whether or not she's dealt with her issues in a comprehensive way, she has dealt with them productively. The past really is another country for her. So for the most part she's her usual insouciant self. For the most part.

Having said all that, though...

There's a lot of elision going on in there, I feel. Some of it is necessary, but a lot of this felt very telly, rather than showy. In particular that long digression into Katara's internal mental state and motivations doesn't scan particularly smoothly for me. I realize this is a vignette rather than a novelette, but... I dunno. Without trying to be a dick here, I don't think it's quite up to the standard of demonstrating a persons internal conflict, nature, and evolution we saw most recently in just about everything involve Azana and Karana.

Still, a good time was had by all.

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14. "RE: FI/TWI: Armistice Day"
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>I see Azula continues her long and proud tradition of having important
>conversations with Zuko while dressed in her bedclothes.

Well, you know, why change what works? :)

>At least she's not hitting on him this time.

Like she says, there are some things she prefers not to do with her mother watching.

>While contemplating Azula's potential fashion choices when given
>options that didn't include ridiculously puffy pants or pointy shoes,
>I came to the conclusion that at some point, she would
>definitely have earned a Corellian Bloodstripe if for no other
>reason than to look boss.

She's certainly been in the right line of work for it. Plenty of opportunities.

>More probably, Katara assumed that Azula never really left Team
>Burninate, but is too polite to say so while still sort of hung over.
>:)

She'd have been told that Azula turned down Beria's first job offer, at least.

>I also choose to believe that Sokka toyed heavily with the idea of
>cashing in his return ticket to Diqiu just to fuck with people. Do a
>bunch of book signings, maybe try and get his acting career going
>again, pose for selfies on top of the graves of his enemies, that kind
>of thing. Publish some of the stuff he's written while in Asgard, like
>his completely unauthorized biography of Avatar Kyoshi.
>
>Decided against it when he couldn't talk Toph into coming along.

... you say all that as though the matter were permanently settled. :)

>All of this. God damn, do I want to see Azula and Ty Lee tool around
>the galaxy being awesome girlfriends together[, etc.]

I can't make any specific warranty about any particular bit of your wish list there, but it's pretty likely you will see the above, and entirely possible that one or more of the detail items will be involved.

>And I like how it is established that Katara is just going to be
>wierdsies about Azula for awhile. I know you'll likely resent the
>comparison, but it makes sense in context of both her treatment of
>Zuko prior to The Southern Raiders

I don't think I'd have a lot of latitude to resent that part, since my picture of Katara and the parts of her psyche relevant to what's going on in this scene is largely informed by her attitude toward Zuko before, during, and after that episode (and the way she conducted herself generally in the course of the incident).

>There's a lot of elision going on in there, I feel. Some of it is
>necessary, but a lot of this felt very telly, rather than showy.

I'm... not sure I see how it could be otherwise, given that it deals primarily with what's going on inside one of the characters' heads. It's like Edison says about telepathic combat in Get Carter - it'll never catch on as an action movie trope because it doesn't look like anything on film.

>In
>particular that long digression into Katara's internal mental state
>and motivations doesn't scan particularly smoothly for me. I realize
>this is a vignette rather than a novelette, but... I dunno.

This is a little ironic, given that the main reason this bit is here is because of the thought process you put in motion* by saying you didn't think Tyrants gave Katara's internal mental state and motivations enough play.

(Also, three paragraphs, one of them a single sentence, is a "long digression"? Tough room. :)

>I don't think it's quite up to the standard
>of demonstrating a persons internal conflict, nature, and evolution we
>saw most recently in just about everything involve Azana and Karana.

Well... that's probably true. I prefer to see it as evidence of A Bride Too Far's unusual strength rather than any particular weakness in Armistice Day, though. The former was a real lightning-in-a-bottle moment, one of those rare and crackly times when the thing basically writes itself. This piece, well, I'm happy with it and (if I do say) I think it has some great moments and nicely turned phrases in it. I'm particularly pleased with, "You've seen what happens when I take life too seriously." It's satisfactory and it needs to be here, but it's not a product of epiphany; rather an attempt to further articulate things already in play.

>Still, a good time was had by all.

Well, that's good.

As an aside, a similar background thought process came to fruition yesterday, in regard to another gap in Desolation Angel I've been mulling over since you pointed it out. The result of that one will probably be coming to a board near you sometime this evening. It's a bit of an experiment, but then I'm feeling a bit experimental.

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16. "RE: FI/TWI: Armistice Day"
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>>Decided against it when he couldn't talk Toph into coming along.
>
>... you say all that as though the matter were permanently settled. :)

Well, I had assumed it were permanently settled in the immediate context of this story. Those return tickets presumably don't have an expiration date.

>>All of this. God damn, do I want to see Azula and Ty Lee tool around
>>the galaxy being awesome girlfriends together[, etc.]
>
>I can't make any specific warranty about any particular bit of your
>wish list there,

Hence my relying on the power of my imagination, yes. :)

>>And I like how it is established that Katara is just going to be
>>wierdsies about Azula for awhile. I know you'll likely resent the
>>comparison, but it makes sense in context of both her treatment of
>>Zuko prior to The Southern Raiders
>
>I don't think I'd have a lot of latitude to resent that part, since my
>picture of Katara and the parts of her psyche relevant to what's going
>on in this scene is largely informed by her attitude toward
>Zuko before, during, and after that episode (and the way she conducted
>herself generally in the course of the incident).

Well, I meant more the comparison to The Search. Everyone who has a brain in their informs a large part of their understanding of Katara and/or her relationship to Zuko based on the Western Air Temple to Southern Raiders run.

Although, lord above, you should have been there when that episode first aired. There were some violent rows between "she should have fucking cut him open and watched him bleed out on that road, I don't understand, when did Katara become such a pussy" and "Zuko is corrupting her, he's evil and should fall down a hole and die HOW DARE HE."

>This is a little ironic, given that the main reason this bit is
>here is because of the thought process you put in motion* by
>saying you didn't think Tyrants gave Katara's internal mental
>state and motivations enough play.

You know, I thought about that before I put pixels to screen, but ultimately decided to go with the most honest assessment I could give, despite the irony.

>(Also, three paragraphs, one of them a single sentence, is a "long
>digression"? Tough room. :)

You smile, but you know, that's a fair dig on me.

I worded that inartfully. It was a long digression, I felt, in the context of the scene and in how it broke up the story flow. It wasn't long in a standard, objective sense. I mean, I've read people who could have made that scene go on for pages and pages.

>>I don't think it's quite up to the standard
>>of demonstrating a persons internal conflict, nature, and evolution we
>>saw most recently in just about everything involve Azana and Karana.
>
>Well... that's probably true. I prefer to see it as evidence of A
>Bride Too Far
's unusual strength rather than any particular
>weakness in Armistice Day, though. The former was a real
>lightning-in-a-bottle moment, one of those rare and crackly times when
>the thing basically writes itself. This piece, well, I'm happy with
>it and (if I do say) I think it has some great moments and nicely
>turned phrases in it.

I don't think you've written anything since Symphony started that didn't have some nicely turned phrases in it. Probably your greatest strength as a writer, honestly.

>>Still, a good time was had by all.
>
>Well, that's good.

Oh yeah. I mean, I didn't dislike this piece. Quite the opposite, really.

It just... please don't take this as an impugnment on Armistice in any way, but you ever read something and go "you know, there's nothing really wrong with this in any real way, in fact it represents the standards of its originator to an above-average degree, but it just isn't doing much for me and I have no clue, either intellectually or emotionally, as to why."

That's where I'm at, kind of. And it's neither the stories or the authors fault. I dunno. I could just be tired, or stressed.

>As an aside, a similar background thought process came to fruition
>yesterday, in regard to another gap in Desolation Angel
>I've been mulling over since you pointed it out.

The gap between Agreement and Nothing?

I'm both grateful and humble I contribute to your mind-gears spinning in hopefully semi-productive ways.

>The result of
>that one will probably be coming to a board near you sometime
>this evening. It's a bit of an experiment, but then I'm feeling a bit
>experimental.

Oh, dang.

Fair warning; I may not see it right away or get to it anytime soon. My job is taking me to Denver on a 4 AM flight for a full week tommorrow, and I'm at least going to try to get to bed early. Since I'm without either a functional laptop or smartphone (yes, yes, trapped in the 20th century, I know, life has happened to me) it may be a bit.

And that makes me sad, because I goddamn love it when you get experimental and push the envelope, like you did at the start of Nothing, which may be the strongest single part of Desolation Angel.

-Merc
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18. "RE: FI/TWI: Armistice Day"
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   >Those return tickets presumably don't have an
>expiration date.

Not that I know of. Kaidan Alenko earned his in the Ragnarök and cashed it 16 years later.

>>The result of
>>that one will probably be coming to a board near you sometime
>>this evening. It's a bit of an experiment, but then I'm feeling a bit
>>experimental.
>
>Oh, dang.
>
>Fair warning; I may not see it right away or get to it anytime soon.
>My job is taking me to Denver on a 4 AM flight for a full week
>tommorrow, and I'm at least going to try to get to bed early. Since
>I'm without either a functional laptop or smartphone (yes, yes,
>trapped in the 20th century, I know, life has happened to me) it may
>be a bit.

Hmm... well, in that case, here. I'm going to be busy-ish with end-of-the-semester work and whatnot later anyway.

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19. "RE: FI/TWI: Armistice Day"
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   >>Those return tickets presumably don't have an
>>expiration date.
>
>Not that I know of. Kaidan Alenko earned his in the Ragnarök and
>cashed it 16 years later.

And suddenly, I've decided that Toph comes back to FINALLY break the Undertaker's streak in WrestleMania MMMDCXXIII (or whatever).

(Yes, I know it makes no sense... I'm feeling goofy tonight).

Mario


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20. "RE: FI/TWI: Armistice Day"
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   >And suddenly, I've decided that Toph comes back to FINALLY break the
>Undertaker's streak in WrestleMania MMMDCXXIII (or whatever).
>
>(Yes, I know it makes no sense... I'm feeling goofy tonight).

You may be thinking of the great Turkish action film Toph Beifong and El Santo vs. Spider-Man.

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21. "RE: FI/TWI: Armistice Day"
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>You may be thinking of the great Turkish action film Toph Beifong
>and El Santo vs. Spider-Man
.
>

Actually, I was thinking of Toph's first appearance, when she defeated "The Boulder" in an underground earthbending competition. (They wanted to get the Rock to voice him, but had to settle for Mick Foley).

Anyway, some aficionados prefer Toph Beifong and the Seven Golden Firebenders.

Mario


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