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"FFIII - the fandom continues..."
 
   Since Juniper asked, I started a new thread.

Ok, so one nit - UF has the Millenium Falcon twice (see Daggerdisc), and now the Ebon Hawk in two incarnations (see One Hit Wonder). Any particular reason why other than that these are cool ships?

Also...Yoda's like 4000 years old, Vader 3000 years old, Washuu is 20,000 years old...and how old are all the Mandalorians? I hurt myself trying to figure out who lived through what era (and it only gets worse if I add in the transformers).

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  RE: FFIII - the fandom continues... Wedge Nov-09-06 1
     RE: FFIII - the fandom continues... Gryphonadmin Nov-09-06 3
  RE: FFIII - the fandom continues... Gryphonadmin Nov-09-06 2
     RE: FFIII - the fandom continues... Nathan Nov-09-06 4
         RE: FFIII - the fandom continues... Gryphonadmin Nov-09-06 5
  RE: FFIII - the fandom continues... Star Ranger4 Nov-12-06 6
     RE: FFIII - the fandom continues... BlackAeronaut Nov-12-06 7

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Wedge
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1. "RE: FFIII - the fandom continues..."
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   LAST EDITED ON Nov-09-06 AT 03:08 PM (EST)
 
>Ok, so one nit - UF has the Millenium Falcon twice (see
>Daggerdisc), and now the Ebon Hawk in two incarnations
>(see One Hit Wonder). Any particular reason why other than
>that these are cool ships?

The Ebon Hawk and the One Hit Wonder aren't the same class of ship.

http://www.starwars.com/databank/starship/ebonhawk/index.html

http://www.eyrie-productions.com/UF/FI/SOS/1HW/

As far as Daggerdisc and the Millenium Falcon, their spaceframe is from a rather ubiquitous line of cargo ships, so you're bound to see quite a lot of them (though Daggerdisc is slightly more unique than most). It'd be like saying, "Gee, there are an awful lot of C-130's flying around." It should be more surprising, in fact, that there aren't more named of the class in UF, but there are so many other starship classes to choose from that that would be boring. :)


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3. "RE: FFIII - the fandom continues..."
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   >The Ebon Hawk and the One Hit Wonder aren't the same
>class of ship.

Indeed, the Ebon Hawk may not even be of Corellian origin.

>As far as Daggerdisc and the Millenium Falcon, their
>spaceframe is from a rather ubiquitous line of cargo ships, so you're
>bound to see quite a lot of them (though Daggerdisc is slightly
>more unique than most). It'd be like saying, "Gee, there are an awful
>lot of C-130's flying around."

Yep. The YT-1300 series was in production, in various flavors, for nearly 400 years before it was finally retired in the mid-2300s. They didn't make very many YT-1320 Portsiders, but that design may have been something of an inside joke with Corellian Engineering's management anyway; the original YT-1300 Falcon and the later YT-1350 Super Falcon made up the bulk of production. Later models, like the YT-2000 and YT-2400, continue the family resemblance, as well. Ask people in the UF universe what a light freighter looks like and you'll get a picture of a discus with a plug cockpit attached somewhere. :)

(Incidentally, the fact that the model's trademark name is "Falcon" means there are an awful lot of Something Falcons out there. Spacelines often do that kind of thing with their fleets - Pan American Galactic Spaceways' fleet of Boeing 7227 Starclippers, for instance, are all named Something Clipper. As it happens, the Millennium Falcon originally belonged to a company called Millennium Transport, which was founded on Earth in the wake of First Contact to cash in on the sudden demand for space travel, bought a dozen YT-1300s, and went quite promptly bankrupt not long after the first of the planned fleet was delivered. The ship was then purchased for a scandalously low price at auction by a gambler/entrepreneur by the name of Lando Calrissian, who subsequently lost her in a legendary sabacc game to a young Corellian pilot named Han Solo.)

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2. "RE: FFIII - the fandom continues..."
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   We have only Washuu's word that she's 20,000 years old, nor does she specify whose years she's using - and frankly, I wouldn't believe anything she told me without some kind of corroborative evidence.

The surviving Mandalorians are also kind of an odd case, since they spent much of the time between the final Mandalorian War and the "modern era" in hypersleep, and there is no definitive reference that can pin down the complete chronology of the Mandalorian civilization for modern historians. They're from a much, much earlier period in galactic history than even the Santovasku and Atlanteans.

(There have, in fact, been two distinct Mandalorian civilizations, one of the First Epoch - ca. BSC 12,000-15,000 - and one very much older, contemporary with the Quintesson occupation of Cybertron. The "prehistoric" Mandalorians may have been the galaxy's first species that modern taxonomists would recognize as human. At this point, that fact isn't known to most 25th-century historians; it's quietly bit-rotting away in some archive on Cybertron, lost amid the chaos of that planet's many wars.)

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4. "RE: FFIII - the fandom continues..."
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   >(There have, in fact, been two distinct Mandalorian civilizations, one
>of the First Epoch - ca. BSC 12,000-15,000 - and one very much older,
>contemporary with the Quintesson occupation of Cybertron. The
>"prehistoric" Mandalorians may have been the galaxy's first species
>that modern taxonomists would recognize as human. At this point, that
>fact isn't known to most 25th-century historians; it's quietly
>bit-rotting away in some archive on Cybertron, lost amid the chaos of
>that planet's many wars.)

*blinkblink*

Which one built Ifurita?

And, if they were so seperated from each other chronologically and (I presume) in culture, what makes them both 'Mandalorian'? In other words, just what is a mandalore, anyway?

Or should I look forwards to seeing more of this subject 'in character', as it were?

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5. "RE: FFIII - the fandom continues..."
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   >Which one built Ifurita?

Almost certainly the really ancient one. The more recent First Epoch Mandalorians built some exquisitely powerful and elegant weapons, but they weren't much for making then decorative or self-directing; that kind of "artistic" approach was more a hallmark of the ancients. (It's odd to speak of a civilization believed to have fallen 12,000 to 17,000 years ago as "more recent", I know, but there it is.)

>And, if they were so seperated from each other chronologically and (I
>presume) in culture, what makes them both 'Mandalorian'? In other
>words, just what is a mandalore, anyway?

Mandalor (no "e") was a planet. Actually, there appear to have been several planets by that name; Jango Fett was born on Third Mandalor, for instance. The First Epoch Mandalorian Empire claimed a number of cultural and historic ties to the pre-epochal Mandalorians, who are remembered today mostly in myth, but no one is really sure how true those claims were.

What is certain is that both civilizations were technologically advanced, militaristic, and highly renowned for the quality of their weapons and their soldiers. Both supported armies referred to collectively as "the Death Watch" which worked as state-sponsored mercenaries when not actively employed pursuing the goals of the Mandalorian governments of their times, and both inhabited worlds named Mandalor. How much of this is because the later Mandalorians were carrying on historical traditions established by the ancient ones, and how much because the later Mandalorians were imitating what they'd heard of in legends in order to make their claim of descent from the ancients seem more plausible to their contemporaries, is open for debate in modern historical circles.

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6. "RE: FFIII - the fandom continues..."
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   >
>Some hours later, Len was relaxing in guest quarters, his
>long, lanky frame stretched out on a narrow single bed, and trying to
>wrap his head around the things Emmy had told him. Her ancestor
>O'bi-Wann, alive - thanks to the collaborative efforts of Emmy and
>Darth Vader, no less! Master Yoda had been right - news of that kind
>required a very big danish indeed.
>

>
>Okay, the Danish thing is definitely well on it's way to the sataus of
>Running Gag. Not that this is a bad thing. ;) I can just see it.
>Whenever Len gets big news from here on out, he's gonna say, "What?
>... I need a danish."

You know Black, you covered a lot of the same stuff I twigged on as comment worthy. Nice to see that I'm not the only one who liked those bits.

About the only thing I can add to it is when the danish first got mentioned, I flashed back to when G and Shiori (Sp?) were checking Valiant out after the hijacking and thought "But doesnt Yoda already have Admin status???"

Of COURSE you wernt
expecting it!
No One expects the
FANNISH INQUISITION!

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7. "RE: FFIII - the fandom continues..."
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   >You know Black, you covered a lot of the same stuff I twigged on as
>comment worthy. Nice to see that I'm not the only one who liked those
>bits.

Likewise. ^_^

>About the only thing I can add to it is when the danish first got
>mentioned, I flashed back to when G and Shiori (Sp?) were checking
>Valiant out after the hijacking and thought "But doesnt Yoda already
>have Admin status???"

*Laughs!* Nah, the Danish was for Len. ;)

Yeah, I'd thought about that scene as well, which led me to the line of reasoning that this was on it's way to becoming a running gsag within UF.


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"To the commissary we should go," Yoda declared firmly. "News of this kind a danish requires."


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