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Gryphon
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25. "RE: Star-Crossed Appendix"
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LAST EDITED ON Mar-14-10 AT 00:48 AM (EST) >> >>But it's making me look forward to the new members in SoS5... and I >>can see what sort of weapons the quarians would choose for melee. It's >>obvious, when you think about it! >> > >A hydrospanner? Heh, the other day Phil dug up a bit of artwork online showing Tali'Zorah holding... well, it's supposed to be a wrench about as long as she is tall, but the way the artist drew it, it ended up looking like cross between George and a high-tech future version of one of those arm-extender grabby devices people in wheelchairs use to pick up stuff off the floor. "Who's in charge here?" "The Claaaawwwwww." --G. -><- Benjamin D. Hutchins, Co-Founder, Editor-in-Chief, & Forum Admin Eyrie Productions, Unlimited http://www.eyrie-productions.com/ Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam. |
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Gryphon
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1. "RE: Star-Crossed Appendix"
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>And Tali... wandered around the galaxy, looked *everywhere*, and >eventually had to... give up. And go home.Well... yeah. Pretty much. There's a little more to it than that, but in the end, that's about what it amounts to, yeah. That's more or less why I called it Star-Crossed... 'cause they are. I know more or less where Tali goes from here, though, and she'll be okay. Not great, perhaps, not on top of the universe 24/7, but... okay. Which is better than a lot of people ever do in this crazy, mixed-up galaxy where the troubles of a few people don't amount to a hill of beans. (Phil so wanted me to riff the parting scene from Casablanca more directly in Democracy, but I just couldn't do it, because, well, unlike Ilsa, Tali actually convinced Gryphon that they didn't have to part.) --G. -><- Benjamin D. Hutchins, Co-Founder, Editor-in-Chief, & Forum Admin Eyrie Productions, Unlimited http://www.eyrie-productions.com/ Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam. |
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Astynax
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Mar-12-10, 07:22 PM (EDT) |
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2. "RE: Star-Crossed Appendix"
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LAST EDITED ON Mar-12-10 AT 07:43 PM (EST) >Well... yeah. Pretty much. There's a little more to it than >that, but in the end, that's about what it amounts to, yeah. That's >more or less why I called it Star-Crossed... 'cause they are. >I know more or less where Tali goes from here, though, and she'll be >okay. Not great, perhaps, not on top of the universe 24/7, but... >okay. Which is better than a lot of people ever do in this crazy, >mixed-up galaxy where the troubles of a few people don't amount to a >hill of beans. > >(Phil so wanted me to riff the parting scene from >Casablanca more directly in Democracy, but I just >couldn't do it, because, well, unlike Ilsa, Tali actually convinced >Gryphon that they didn't have to part.) >This reminds me that it still isn't officially set (probably deliberately) what fully becomes of Tali. Given the hints from earlier chapters and forum comments, my brain concocted several possibilities, two of which still apply. The obvious one: Mordin's tinkerings made Tali a bit more hardy, and probably longer lived than many quarians because of it, but not immortal. Thus, age and biology would conspire to tip the scales for her and nudge her down the path to becoming Tali'Zorah. The fairy tale one: Mordin's tinkerings worked better than even he had hoped, and Tali continues her search more or less unabated for the 30 odd years until Gryphon pops back into the main UF universe. Tali'Zorah occurs when Vedik settles down and has a daughter, whom he names after his boyhood love, but everyone else believes is named after the great quarian who brought them to their new homeworld (the fact that they are the same individual providing a potential source of wry amusement for Vedik, depending on his perspective.) The tone of the story and the Exile as a whole make the split between these two something like 90/10, but a guy can hope for a (much delayed) happy ending, right?
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Gryphon
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4. "RE: Star-Crossed Appendix"
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>This reminds me that it still isn't officially set (probably >deliberately) what fully becomes of Tali.Well, only because I haven't written it yet. I've got most of it jotted down in my mind. For now, trust me. I may be forced by circumstances to make her work for the good ending, but I love Tali too much to stick her with the one where she gets shot in the face holding the door open. :) --G. -><- Benjamin D. Hutchins, Co-Founder, Editor-in-Chief, & Forum Admin Eyrie Productions, Unlimited http://www.eyrie-productions.com/ Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam. |
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Peter Eng
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19. "RE: Star-Crossed Appendix"
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>...I love Tali too much to stick her with the ending where >she gets shot in the face holding the door open. :) >That seems to be true of most of your protagonists. I like that. Peter Eng -- Insert humorous comment here. |
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Gryphon
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25. "RE: Star-Crossed Appendix"
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LAST EDITED ON Mar-14-10 AT 00:48 AM (EST) >> >>But it's making me look forward to the new members in SoS5... and I >>can see what sort of weapons the quarians would choose for melee. It's >>obvious, when you think about it! >> > >A hydrospanner? Heh, the other day Phil dug up a bit of artwork online showing Tali'Zorah holding... well, it's supposed to be a wrench about as long as she is tall, but the way the artist drew it, it ended up looking like cross between George and a high-tech future version of one of those arm-extender grabby devices people in wheelchairs use to pick up stuff off the floor. "Who's in charge here?" "The Claaaawwwwww." --G. -><- Benjamin D. Hutchins, Co-Founder, Editor-in-Chief, & Forum Admin Eyrie Productions, Unlimited http://www.eyrie-productions.com/ Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam. |
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Meagen
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Mar-12-10, 11:35 PM (EDT) |
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10. "RE: Star-Crossed Appendix"
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>>And Tali... wandered around the galaxy, looked *everywhere*, and >>eventually had to... give up. And go home. > >Well... yeah. Pretty much. There's a little more to it than >that, but in the end, that's about what it amounts to, yeah. That's >more or less why I called it Star-Crossed... 'cause they are. The fact you're not writing the universe arc in chronological order just gives it a sort of looming inevitability. The three epilogues show us three people who need something very badly and set out to get it: for Kei, it's a bit of perspective, for Gryph, a safe port of call where he can just *rest*, and for Tali... seeing Gryph again. We know, because we've seen it, the first two eventually find what they need. And for the same reason we know Tali will *not* find him again. >I know more or less where Tali goes from here, though, and she'll be >okay. Not great, perhaps, not on top of the universe 24/7, but... >okay. Which is better than a lot of people ever do in this crazy, >mixed-up galaxy where the troubles of a few people don't amount to a >hill of beans. The worse part is, unless she gets a hold of some very specific information, there is absolutely nothing to tell her that she didn't fail because she wasn't good enough, or because he changed his mind and decided he didn't want her around. I personally hate the "guy who's been patiently waiting for you back home is not True Love and if you end up married to him you're sacrificing your happiness for stability" meme, but still, I'm having trouble seeing how Tali could go from here to anything like "so I didn't end up finding him and came home. it sucked at first, but eventually I managed to get over it, and that's how you were born". -- With great power come great perks. |
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Gryphon
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11. "RE: Star-Crossed Appendix"
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LAST EDITED ON Mar-13-10 AT 02:39 AM (EST) >We know, because we've seen it, the first two eventually find >what they need. And for the same reason we know Tali will *not* >find him again.Do we, though? We know we haven't seen her in the act of finding him. And we know, or at least can make a solid guess, that they aren't together again, in the sense of being a couple, between 2356 and 2412, because if they had been, it would have left a mark somewhere in the parts of those years we've seen. But we don't know that she failed in the mission Admiral Zorah gave her, we don't know that she returned home (if she returned home) because she "gave up", and we don't know that she traded anything for anything when and if she did. That, as they say in legal circles, assumes facts not in evidence - or, as my grandfather would put it, you're borrowing trouble by assuming it. Like I told Astynax, I love her too. I don't punish characters I love for no good reason. Trust me. I got Corwin out of a deeper hole than this. >The worse part is, unless she gets a hold of some very specific >information, there is absolutely nothing to tell her that she didn't >fail because she wasn't good enough, or because he changed his mind >and decided he didn't want her around. That's true. However, being both relentless and brilliant, she stands as good a chance as anybody in the galaxy of getting hold of that information. And we know it's gettable. Maia Sterling has it in Manhunt. --G. -><- Benjamin D. Hutchins, Co-Founder, Editor-in-Chief, & Forum Admin Eyrie Productions, Unlimited http://www.eyrie-productions.com/ Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam. |
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BeardedFerret
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Mar-13-10, 03:12 AM (EDT) |
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12. "RE: Star-Crossed Appendix"
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>I got Corwin out of a deeper hole than this. At this point, though, I'm starting to think that maybe it's not a hole at all. She loves Gryphon, or at least did in the 2350s. Who's to say that she'll still be in that place 50+ years down the road? For that matter, immortal youthfulness and a certain degree of promiscuity (not really the right word, but at this point his little black book's got to be the size of a physics text) aside, who's to say Gryphon will? Sometimes, for whatever reason, things just don't work out and the flame doesn't come back. It'd be interesting to see that kind of thing happen between Gryph and an old love (not necessarily Tali, but she makes a good example) - a reconnection, but the spark they felt in the past erased by over 50 years of living. This doesn't have to be a bad thing though, or an unhappy ending - it happens to folks all the time. Thinking about it from this perspective, there's nothing really stopping Star-Crossed from becoming a slightly elongated version of what it was intended to be - boy meets girl, boy and girl have a long adventure, boy eventually leaves girl (and universe) but not before helping her become a better person. Boy and girl move on. |
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Gryphon
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Mar-13-10, 04:20 AM (EDT) |
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13. "RE: Star-Crossed Appendix"
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>at this point his little black book's got >to be the size of a physics textI dug around once and took a running tally, because I was growing weary of the snark, and found that I knew actual people who had gotten around a good deal more in actual-person sorts of timeframes. But people will think what they think. And Vision's snarky little notes in the BPGD files don't help... In any event, you make an interesting point, but... well, I never quite know what's going to happen when I actually get into the writing process on a given story (see my notes in the Appendix annotations about how this story and Scrapheap City Shuffle developed along unexpected lines), but... I dunno, from where I'm sitting right now it doesn't feel like this is going to fade away so easily. For one thing, it's... unfinished. And not just physically, though that's obviously part of it (and one Tali went to a lot of trouble to make possible). We've seen something like what you describe a few times already, though, so it's not as if it's a completely foreign experience for him. --G. -><- Benjamin D. Hutchins, Co-Founder, Editor-in-Chief, & Forum Admin Eyrie Productions, Unlimited http://www.eyrie-productions.com/ Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam. |
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BeardedFerret
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Mar-13-10, 04:47 AM (EDT) |
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14. "RE: Star-Crossed Appendix"
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>In any event, you make an interesting point, but... well, I never >quite know what's going to happen when I actually get into the >writing process on a given story (see my notes in the Appendix >annotations about how this story and Scrapheap City Shuffle >developed along unexpected lines), but... I dunno, from where I'm >sitting right now it doesn't feel like this is going to fade away so >easily. For one thing, it's... unfinished. And not just >physically, though that's obviously part of it (and one Tali went to a >lot of trouble to make possible). I get the unfinished part, but (at the risk of pressing the point) sometimes even that isn't enough. Take, for example, Sarah and Carl's story from Love, Actually. Sometimes, a near miss is all you get, and in fact I'd argue that it'd be healthier to move on over that length of time rather than continue to hold a torch. Hell, you could even use an older, wiser Tali as the orchestrator of Gryph and Kei's reunion post-Manhunt. |
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dstar
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Mar-13-10, 07:26 AM (EDT) |
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16. "RE: Star-Crossed Appendix"
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>I get the unfinished part, but (at the risk of pressing the point) >sometimes even that isn't enough. Take, for example, Sarah and Carl's >story from Love, Actually. Sometimes, a near miss is all you >get, and in fact I'd argue that it'd be healthier to move on over that >length of time rather than continue to hold a torch. Hell, you could >even use an older, wiser Tali as the orchestrator of Gryph and Kei's >reunion post-Manhunt. Dude. It's only been three or four decades. In the lifespan of an immortal, that's not long at all. And, just like Tali isn't Gryphon's one-and-only love, there's nothing to say that Gryphon is *her* one-and-only. Shalon Wood |
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Peter Eng
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20. "RE: Star-Crossed Appendix"
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>(UF-Gryphon's) little black book... ...is smaller than you think. Remember, this is a man who will have been around for over four centuries by the time the FI era ends. If anything, it says something that the list of women in his life is so short, relative to his lifespan. He spent over half of his life in a nearly unbroken period as a Galactic Do-Gooder, as well as being guitarist for Card No. 1. Can you imagine the groupies? (I half suspect that Vision is making a list of "Gryphon's women" to deal with a faint touch of jealousy that she's smart enough to ignore, but not strong enough to stamp out.) As far as I can tell, the women in UF-Gryphon's life are never "A bit on the side," as he put it in his epilogue. He has friends, and lovers, but not one-night stands. Peter Eng -- Insert humorous comment here. |
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KeithF
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42. "RE: Star-Crossed Appendix"
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>As far as I can tell, the women in UF-Gryphon's life are never "A bit >on the side," as he put it in his epilogue. He has friends, and >lovers, but not one-night stands. >Yeah, I always thought it was pretty clear that he does love all the various women in his life (though some people in-universe probably regard most of them as 'bits on the side' or 'one-night stands', if only because that's how it would be for a lot of men). However, while 'ships that pass in the night' is OK for characters who only appear as cameos or BPGD entries, or where the relationship is a subplot in a larger story (e.g. Sumire in Aegis Florea), the relationship with Tali got a lot of airtime in Star-Crossed and developed over a long period, hence my comment below that it would be a shame if she became just 'one of many' in FI - more from a reader point of view than from an in-universe point of view. |
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Gryphon
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46. "RE: Star-Crossed Appendix"
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>Yeah, I always thought it was pretty clear that he does love all the >various women in his life (though some people in-universe probably >regard most of them as 'bits on the side' or 'one-night stands', if >only because that's how it would be for a lot of men).I suppose I should own up at this point and admit that, technically, if you go by the strict definition of the words in the phrase, Skuld was a one-night stand. But since in common parlance that usually refers to women one never sees again in any context, we might perhaps overlook it. :) >the relationship with Tali >got a lot of airtime in Star-Crossed and developed over a long period, >hence my comment below that it would be a shame if she became just >'one of many' in FI - more from a reader point of view than from an >in-universe point of view. Well, and like I said earlier, I don't think Tali would be comfortable with that sort of arrangement anyway. Even primus inter pares (or prima, I suppose, damned romance languages with their stupid gendered nouns) would be a tough position (er, so to speak) for someone with her temperament to accept. I don't know as I'd say she has a jealous streak, as such, but she certainly doesn't like to do things by halves. If she ever chose to leave her home and nation for good - in essence abandoning one of the most clannish cultures in the galaxy - it would have to be for a life just as committed and unconditional. Clearly that's not on the cards for Future Imperfect. It's too... imperfect. Mind you, even if it were, she'd still have to deal with the Grave Feminine Conspiracy. But she probably wouldn't mind that. Quarians are natural conspirators. :) --G. -><- Benjamin D. Hutchins, Co-Founder, Editor-in-Chief, & Forum Admin Eyrie Productions, Unlimited http://www.eyrie-productions.com/ Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam. |
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Angryoptimist
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47. "RE: Star-Crossed Appendix"
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>Well, and like I said earlier, I don't think Tali would be comfortable >with that sort of arrangement anyway. Even primus inter pares >(or prima, I suppose, damned romance languages with their >stupid gendered nouns) would be a tough position (er, so to speak) for >someone with her temperament to accept. I don't know as I'd say she >has a jealous streak, as such, but she certainly doesn't like to do >things by halves. If she ever chose to leave her home and nation for >good - in essence abandoning one of the most clannish cultures in the >galaxy - it would have to be for a life just as committed and >unconditional. Hmm. So, I'm imagining, she could have found him, discovered that he was taken (possibly WAY taken, depending on when) and gone back. Star-crossed indeed. Or something. I get the feeling that you're planning to take this character somewhere, but I've no idea where--which is nice, I like to be surprised by a good story. >Clearly that's not on the cards for Future Imperfect. It's too... >imperfect. Uh oh. That doesn't necessary imply the opposite for the New Frontier, but if that happened, and given your insights into Tali, I have a hard time seeing it as resolving itself without a death or several. >Mind you, even if it were, she'd still have to deal with the Grave >Feminine Conspiracy. But she probably wouldn't mind that. Quarians >are natural conspirators. :) I know only as much about Quarians as your story (and the Mass Effect wiki--which communicates only factoids, so that's a distant second) communicates, but your Tali sure does seem like she'd be able to swing a good conspiracy. |
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trboturtle2
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50. "RE: Star-Crossed Appendix"
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>Clearly that's not on the cards for Future Imperfect. It's too... >imperfect. > >Mind you, even if it were, she'd still have to deal with the Grave >Feminine Conspiracy. But she probably wouldn't mind that. Quarians >are natural conspirators. :) > >--G. >-><- >Benjamin D. Hutchins, Co-Founder, Editor-in-Chief, & Forum Admin >Eyrie Productions, Unlimited http://www.eyrie-productions.com/ >Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam. So, Where is the "Gryphon's Old Flame Assocition (GOFA)" holding their convention this year?? B-D (Need real, graphic smileys for this forum...) Craig
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Gryphon
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51. "RE: Star-Crossed Appendix"
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LAST EDITED ON Mar-18-10 AT 07:24 PM (EDT) >So, Where is the "Gryphon's Old Flame Assocition (GOFA)" holding their >convention this year?? B-D Probably the Imperial Kanagawa Hotel on Ishiyama. Sumire owns the place, and she's the one who thinks they need to have meetings, so they might as well make her pick up the tab. (That's not actually what the organization's called; having been founded by an Ishiyaman, it has an impenetrably cryptic Japanese name that translates imperfectly to some innocuously bureaucratic-sounding phrase like "Lion Eagle Study and Advancement Society".) >(Need real, graphic smileys for this forum...) Nah, we really don't. In fact, DCF already has them. They irritate the crap out of me on other boards, so they were the first thing I turned off. What was wrong with colon close-parenthesis? You kids, off my lawn, et cetera. --G. -><- Benjamin D. Hutchins, Co-Founder, Editor-in-Chief, & Forum Admin Eyrie Productions, Unlimited http://www.eyrie-productions.com/ Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam. |
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A Vile Gangster
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53. "RE: Star-Crossed Appendix"
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>I sorta see them (and Gryph'll probably chew hell outta me for this, >or jus' laugh himself to death) as forming a sort of auxiliary >background network of people who... alleviate problems for the IPO. >Not working for him as such - I mean, a sizeable amount of them >already do - but clearing the way for those who do and helping out >with, say, a well-placed tranq dart to the head of a crime boss's >bodyguard on a stealth mission. The unseen people who just make his >life a little bit easier however they can. 'Sides, who -doesn't- wanna >see a steampunk version of Tali? *Is wracked by full-body spasms* No! What-what you're describing... That kind of thing can't happen! G-Gryphon's ANGELS?! ---- Now Playing: Type O Negative-- Unsuccessfully Coping With the Natural Beauty of Infidelity(The Least Worst Of, 2000) Hello, Angels! < THIS SPACE FOR RENT > |
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Gryphon
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54. "RE: Star-Crossed Appendix"
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>I sorta see them as forming a sort of auxiliary >background network of people who... alleviate problems for the IPO. No, it's actually a lot less interesting than that. The phrase is an old injoke - Gryphon occasionally claims that he believes he's the object of what he calls a "grave feminine conspiracy" to subtly regulate the amount of trouble he can get himself into - that various of the women in his life (and I don't necessarily just mean that in its euphemistic sense; he's fairly well convinced, for instance, that Utena's a member, and probably Paige Guthrie, and maybe Cortana as well) are working together in secret to shape the course of his life so that, without his being consciously aware of it, he's prevented from ever really badly screwing up, either personally or professionally. He further claims to believe that, since Kei left the scene, Sumire Kanzaki has held the chair of this shadowy board of directors. So it's sort of like what you said, except instead of ninja-ing people who might complicate tactical missions, they deal with threats and potential obstacles that are more conceptual than literal. What he doesn't realize is that it's quite true. The Grave Feminine Conspiracy should not be confused with IPO Special Assignment 11, which is not secret and doesn't lurk in the background stage-managing non-tactical matters. There's some overlap, but neither group is an actual subset of the other. --G. -><- Benjamin D. Hutchins, Co-Founder, Editor-in-Chief, & Forum Admin Eyrie Productions, Unlimited http://www.eyrie-productions.com/ Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam. |
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Meagen
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18. "RE: Star-Crossed Appendix"
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>But we don't know that she failed in the mission Admiral Zorah >gave her, we don't know that she returned home (if she returned home) >because she "gave up", and we don't know that she traded anything for >anything when and if she did. That, as they say in legal circles, >assumes facts not in evidence - or, as my grandfather would put it, >you're borrowing trouble by assuming it. I do make some assumptions, but I just can't imagine it turning out any other way. Oh, hey, you know what you could do about that...? -- With great power come great perks. |
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Gryphon
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7. "RE: Star-Crossed Appendix"
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>Random question for G: Where did you pull the word "Kythera" from? >I've heard it in another context recently (totally unrelated), and it >made me curious. It's a Greek island, one of the Ionian chain. Ionia was more or less the birthplace of modern Western thought and the scientific method. Another nearby island, Antikythera, was where the eponymous Antikythera Mechanism, a mechanical computer that is not less than jaw-droppingly sophisticated for the era it's been dated to, was discovered. --G. -><- Benjamin D. Hutchins, Co-Founder, Editor-in-Chief, & Forum Admin Eyrie Productions, Unlimited http://www.eyrie-productions.com/ Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam. |
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Bad Moon
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9. "RE: Star-Crossed Appendix"
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The scene with Aria and Kei made me chuckle, as I got this image in my head of Kei answering the door circa 2407, and a Asari!-Kei nervously waving back at her and saying "Hi Dad." Wherupon a triumphant Gryphon chimes in with a "HA! Now you know how it feels!" from the kitchen. Not that Gryphon is the UF version of Oberon of Amber, but this sort of situation would happen to him rather than Kei. And THAT made me think that Kei's life oddly parallels an asari's life cycle of Maiden, Matron, and Matriarch. Kei spent her first few centuries bombing around the galaxy, doing fantastically cool shit and occasionally waking up hung over in some Wretched Hive of Scum and Villany. After GENOM got trounced, she "settled down," Settled down here being remarkably like her old life in some ways but instead of getting hammered after a mission, she goes home and fixes dinner (if its her turn.) ------ Jon Helscher That thing you burned up isn't important to me. It's the fluid catalytic cracking unit. It made shoes for orphans. Nice job breaking it, hero. GLaDOS- Portal |
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Fred MacManus
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Mar-16-10, 01:21 PM (EDT) |
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33. "RE: Star-Crossed Appendix"
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>The scene with Aria and Kei made me chuckle, as I got this image in my >head of Kei answering the door circa 2407, and a Asari!-Kei nervously >waving back at her and saying "Hi Dad." I'm not so sure it would be nervous. Given the contribution Kei would make to randomizing the genes, she's bound to be AT LEAST as mouthy as that matriarch bartender with the krogan father. If not more. -- "Yup," Ri giggled. "That's Fred. He actually said that a Klingon cruiser had almost half as many weapons as it needed. That was just before he used its bridge like a baseball bat and detonated their main reactor. Of course, he also said the IPS Valiant had almost a quarter as many weapons as it needed. I'm not sure what Captain Tenjou's reaction to that was, but I'm sure it had to have been interesting. -I- was in cryo-sleep at the time, in a smuggling crate that Big Fire had managed to get into the Valiant's hold." |
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Gryphon
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Mar-16-10, 02:10 PM (EDT) |
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34. "RE: Star-Crossed Appendix"
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>>The scene with Aria and Kei made me chuckle, as I got this image in my >>head of Kei answering the door circa 2407, and a Asari!-Kei nervously >>waving back at her and saying "Hi Dad." > >I'm not so sure it would be nervous. Given the contribution Kei would >make to randomizing the genes, she's bound to be AT LEAST as mouthy as >that matriarch bartender with the krogan father. Well, sure, but on the other hand, in 2407 any offspring that might've resulted from Kei and Aria's little vacation in 2356 would only be 50, which is about 10 in asari "dog years". (Liara T'Soni's 106, and she notes in the first game that she's considered "barely more than a child" among her people.) Also, I am hugely confused by your sigblock. --G. -><- Benjamin D. Hutchins, Co-Founder, Editor-in-Chief, & Forum Admin Eyrie Productions, Unlimited http://www.eyrie-productions.com/ Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam. |
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Arashi
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Mar-16-10, 02:27 PM (EDT) |
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36. "RE: Star-Crossed Appendix"
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>Well, sure, but on the other hand, in 2407 any offspring that might've >resulted from Kei and Aria's little vacation in 2356 would only be 50, >which is about 10 in asari "dog years". (Liara T'Soni's 106, and she >notes in the first game that she's considered "barely more than a >child" among her people.) > >Also, I am hugely confused by your sigblock. > >--G. >-><- >Benjamin D. Hutchins, Co-Founder, Editor-in-Chief, & Forum Admin >Eyrie Productions, Unlimited http://www.eyrie-productions.com/ >Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam. Wouldn't exactly mean much. The asari at Gateway weapons says she's "80 and just out of her parents house", how she sounds is more like a 17-18, maybe a 16 runaway at least. To compare slightly, to the other asari at Illium Memories, is with a salarian (Mordin not-withstanding, they live up to 40) and calling him Dad while looking like an adult asari. (Though that's probably a graphic issue, ME-verse doesn't have children at all apparently :p ) When in Danger, or in Doubt. Run in circles, scream and shout. |
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Fred MacManus
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Mar-16-10, 02:48 PM (EDT) |
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37. "RE: Star-Crossed Appendix"
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>>>The scene with Aria and Kei made me chuckle, as I got this image in my >>>head of Kei answering the door circa 2407, and a Asari!-Kei nervously >>>waving back at her and saying "Hi Dad." >> >>I'm not so sure it would be nervous. Given the contribution Kei would >>make to randomizing the genes, she's bound to be AT LEAST as mouthy as >>that matriarch bartender with the krogan father. > >Well, sure, but on the other hand, in 2407 any offspring that might've >resulted from Kei and Aria's little vacation in 2356 would only be 50, >which is about 10 in asari "dog years". (Liara T'Soni's 106, and she >notes in the first game that she's considered "barely more than a >child" among her people.) VERY good point. (Honestly, I have this small problem with time. Rusty used to tease me about it all the frakking time. Never thought about how young the sprog would be.) > >Also, I am hugely confused by your sigblock. > Sigblock? Oh. Note to self: Pay more attention when doing cut/paste operations. That's a bit from a xover I'm working on, set in an entirely different universe, in which one of the protags has an encounter with the good ship Valiant in his history. What's below was what I'd INTENDED to cut/paste. -- "Nothing major, he says," Tali muttered as she positioned herself to fire. "Just a gram of antimatter, he says. Explosions are an occupational hazard, he says. I am -insane!-" |
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Fred MacManus
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Mar-16-10, 09:34 PM (EDT) |
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39. "RE: Star-Crossed Appendix"
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>>Sigblock? Oh. Note to self: Pay more attention when doing cut/paste >>operations. That's a bit from a xover I'm working on, set in an >>entirely different universe, in which one of the protags has an >>encounter with the good ship Valiant in his history. What's below was >>what I'd INTENDED to cut/paste. > >So in other words, you're using characters and situations from UF >(this being the next best thing to actually writing in UF, >which has been off-limits for years). When did you intend to ask, if >ever? You know what they say about making assumptions. -- "Nothing major, he says," Tali muttered as she positioned herself to fire. "Just a gram of antimatter, he says. Explosions are an occupational hazard, he says. I am -insane!-"
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Offsides
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Mar-17-10, 10:20 AM (EDT) |
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43. "RE: Star-Crossed Appendix"
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>Yeah, but it's another fanfic. I'm no expert, but I'd have thought >that so long as he does the usual I Do Not Own spiel then no harm >would be done. His use of the word crossover implies fanfic, which in >turn implies non-continuity. If he was trying to pass it off as >-actual- UF, then yeah, I think everybody'd have a problem. From what >I've gathered, though, he isn't. > Rule #0 of writing crossover fanfic: Don't tell the original authors anything about it.They might like it, they might ignore it, or they might come down on you withe a sledgehammer. This goes doubly so for authors who have explicitly stated that they don't want to know about it (hint, hint). offsides [...] in order to be a realist you must believe in miracles. -- David Ben Gurion EPU RCW #π #include <stdsig.h> |
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Bad Moon
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Mar-17-10, 02:46 AM (EDT) |
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40. "RE: Star-Crossed Appendix"
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Asari Dog Years would be a good name for a band. ------ Jon Helscher That thing you burned up isn't important to me. It's the fluid catalytic cracking unit. It made shoes for orphans. Nice job breaking it, hero. GLaDOS- Portal |
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trigger
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Mar-13-10, 02:44 PM (EDT) |
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22. "RE: Star-Crossed Appendix"
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I loved the ending. Yes, I prefer the happier every after endings to stories - but that was nearly perfect. G and V having it out, and then fate taking a hand. Kei finding friends in strange places, and Tali who is already suffering from heartbreak about to do something terribly heroic and terribly human. It felt real. t. Trigger Argee trigger_argee@hotmail.com Manon, Maccadon, Orado, etc. Denton, never leave home without it. "I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me." - HST |
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KeithF
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Mar-14-10, 12:48 PM (EDT) |
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26. "RE: Star-Crossed Appendix"
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I re-registered (my old email is defunct) to give my thoughts on this Exile piece, which I felt was the best UF story in years. It had a great cast of characters, it was sweetly tragic without being unnecessarily GRIMDARK, and I enjoyed the narrow focus and small cast (compared to FI pieces where the Good Guys have so many allies and resources). It reminded me a bit of Scrapheap City Shuffle, another favourite. In particular, I thought the romance between Gryphon and Tali was very touching in its understatedness. The way the physical separation between the two of them was handled was really good; it wasn't treated simply as an "issue" or an obstacle, but became an important part of the relationship in more than just a negative way. In fact, the relationship was built up so well and seemed so heartfelt that I'm somewhat reluctant to see Tali turn up in the romantically overcrowded FI era; it would be a shame if she simply became another minor character who Gryphon sees occasionally. (I'm probably going to get flamed for that, but eh.) |
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A Vile Gangster
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Mar-14-10, 03:40 PM (EDT) |
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29. "RE: Star-Crossed Appendix"
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LAST EDITED ON Mar-14-10 AT 03:41 PM (EDT) >For what it's worth, I think you're right about this; moreover, I >don't think Tali'Shukra would want to be part of that picture. She's >simply not that kind of woman. I'm not worried about her in that respect. Because at the end of reading Star-Crossed, I heard this in my head; (Jeremy Clarkson VO):"Tali'Shukra, The Technologist, is loose in the Undocumented Features Universe." Oh, My. ---- Now Playing: Skindred-- Pressure(Babylon, 2004) < THIS SPACE FOR RENT > |
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Gryphon
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Mar-15-10, 12:54 PM (EDT) |
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32. "RE: Star-Crossed Appendix"
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>For some reason, I'm seeing G on the Enterprise after his warp drive >accident, unpacking his gear, pulling out a hyperwave receiver and >tuning it to BBC Galactic, and getting nothing but static. Nice. I briefly considered continuing "The High Side" through to about that point, in essence re-doing the Split Infinitive pre-credits sequence, but decided against it. As such, I hadn't designed it all the way to the end... but if I had, I'd like to think I'd have come to that, because it's perfectly symmetrical. Bit bleak, though, even by this piece's standards. --G. -><- Benjamin D. Hutchins, Co-Founder, Editor-in-Chief, & Forum Admin Eyrie Productions, Unlimited http://www.eyrie-productions.com/ Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam. |
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CGWolfgang
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Mar-18-10, 01:40 AM (EDT) |
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48. "RE: Star-Crossed Appendix"
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I have to say this is one of my favorite UF stories to date. One interesting thing I noted was Mordin's statement of the ring being something around 50,000 years old. Its an interesting coincidence that Mass Relays are the same age (if they exist in UF). It'd be kind of fun to find out if the UF stargates are that old as well. All that old technology lying around with the age old question of 'just who in the universe left these things here and where'd they go?' hanging over them has me wondering how these ancient artifacts are tied together (if at all). Just a quick question though. Towards the end Miranda slammed the krogran with what I assumed was biotic powers. What is the extent of biotics in the UF verse if at all, or is she using the force? (or am I picking at something that hasn't been fleshed out?) ~Wolfgang
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