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JeanneHedge
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"Music Cues in UF"
 
   In the new Knights 3 annotation thread, Gryphon wrote:

>Various bits of the From the Earth to the Moon music - the
>opening and ending themes, and a piece from Mason Daring's score to
>the fifth episode, "Spider" - are still my go-to tracks for Corwin and
>Utena's relationship: the first when they're being heroic together,
>the second in cheerful moments, the third on the occasions when the
>romance comes to the fore.

The official soundtrack for that miniseries was such a disappointment IMO - the opening and closing themes, filled out vintage popular music. No instrumental music at all. I had to hunt all over to find bits and pieces of the soundtrack, especially for the episode "Spider," which was my co-favorite (the other being episode 10, "Galileo Was Right," also scored by Mason Daring). I liked the humor in "Spider," especially all the riffs on the movie "The Great Escape".

I'm curious what piece from "Spider" is your romance go-to for Corwin and Utena. Do you know the title, or can you describe where it's played? (you gave time codes, but I'm asking about what's happening on-screen) I'm guessing it's when they're in orbit, when the one astronaut has to go inside during the spacewalk, leaving the other with nothing to do but hang out and watch the Earth go by.


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Gryphonadmin
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1. "RE: Music Cues in UF"
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   LAST EDITED ON Jan-24-14 AT 09:27 PM (EST)
 
>I liked the humor
>in "Spider," especially all the riffs on the movie "The Great Escape".

Heh, those are actually just cues taken straight from Elmer Bernstein's score for The Great Escape, not original compositions intended to sound like them - a nicely responsible licensing decision from the producers, and I was a little surprised they made it onto the DVD version. Licensed BGM often suffers in home video releases.

>I'm curious what piece from "Spider" is your romance go-to for Corwin
>and Utena. Do you know the title, or can you describe where it's
>played?

The track is called "Spider/Eagle". I can't remember now exactly what's going on in the episode when it plays. The leitmotif (that's twice today I've used that word) turns up several times in the course of the ep, but I think that specific track might play during the scene where they've cut Spider loose at the end of the test and Schweickart and McDivitt are watching it drift away, or possibly earlier on, when Tom Kelly is doing his final inspection before handover to NASA.

Check the discussion threads for Clarion Call - ISTR there was a fairly in-depth look at it there, and I think there's actually a link to the track itself on Mason Daring's website (assuming, of course, that it's still there). If you can't find it, let me know and I'll see if I can hook you up. HBO never bothered including it on any official soundtrack release and the composer himself was giving it away for free on his website five years ago, so I don't have any particular piracy angst happening there. :)

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JeanneHedge
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2. "RE: Music Cues in UF"
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   >>I liked the humor
>>in "Spider," especially all the riffs on the movie "The Great Escape".
>
>Heh, those are actually just cues taken straight from Elmer
>Bernstein's score for The Great Escape, not original
>compositions intended to sound like them - a nicely responsible
>licensing decision from the producers, and I was a little surprised
>they made it onto the DVD version. Licensed BGM often suffers in home
>video releases.

True enough. I thought it funny, too, when the main character needed to get out of the office, he'd go outside to bounce a ball off the wall. And when that project wrapped we got to see all the lost balls on the roof of the building.

>>I'm curious what piece from "Spider" is your romance go-to for Corwin
>>and Utena. Do you know the title, or can you describe where it's
>>played?
>
>The track is called "Spider/Eagle". I can't remember now exactly
>what's going on in the episode when it plays. The leitmotif
>(that's twice today I've used that word) turns up several times in the
>course of the ep, but I think that specific track might play during
>the scene where they've cut Spider loose at the end of the test
>and Schweickart and McDivitt are watching it drift away, or possibly
>earlier on, when Tom Kelly is doing his final inspection before
>handover to NASA.

OK, I've got that one. Not the full one, judging from the time stamps used in the stories (unless I can't do math), but a 1:53 version. The time stamps indicate 2:44, but I assume that's based on the scene as presented, which may use a "stretched" version of the piece.

>Check the discussion threads for Clarion Call - ISTR there was
>a fairly in-depth look at it there, and I think there's actually a
>link to the track itself on Mason Daring's website (assuming, of
>course, that it's still there). If you can't find it, let me know and
>I'll see if I can hook you up. HBO never bothered including it on any
>official soundtrack release and the composer himself was giving it
>away for free on his website five years ago, so I don't have any
>particular piracy angst happening there. :)

It's still there. If you go to MasonDaring.com, then click the link to credits, scroll down to From the Earth to the Moon. There are 2 stylized "D" icons next to that title, with the one for Spider/Eagle being on the left. It's an MP3, and downloads quite nicely. Oddly enough, the file name is Track17.mp3 - track 17 of what?

I would (almost) kill for a complete soundtrack for that miniseries. As I noted earlier, too bad HBO didn't do one.


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Gryphonadmin
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3. "RE: Music Cues in UF"
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   >OK, I've got that one. Not the full one, judging from the time stamps
>used in the stories (unless I can't do math), but a 1:53 version. The
>time stamps indicate 2:44, but I assume that's based on the scene as
>presented, which may use a "stretched" version of the piece.

Yeah, the track at Mason Daring's website is probably some kind of sample version - you can hear how it fades out mid-phrase. The broadcast version went on for the full length of the scene, and that's what I was basing the cue in Clarion Call on; I only found out afterward, during the post-release discussion of the story, that the website version was out there.

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5. "RE: Music Cues in UF"
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   >>OK, I've got that one. Not the full one, judging from the time stamps
>>used in the stories (unless I can't do math), but a 1:53 version. The
>>time stamps indicate 2:44, but I assume that's based on the scene as
>>presented, which may use a "stretched" version of the piece.
>
>Yeah, the track at Mason Daring's website is probably some kind of
>sample version - you can hear how it fades out mid-phrase. The
>broadcast version went on for the full length of the scene, and that's
>what I was basing the cue in Clarion Call on; I only found out
>afterward, during the post-release discussion of the story, that the
>website version was out there.


For everyone who has been wondering why we've been nattering on about this piece of music, I found something interesting on YouTube this frozen Saturday morning. This link is to an isolated music version of the final scene of "Spider." All dialogue and sound effects have been removed, what's left is nearly 5 minutes of Mason Daring's "Spider/Eagle". Enjoy!

I also found another Mason Daring track titled "Camera Moon", from episode 7, "That's All There Is," which told the story of Apollo 12 - a low point of which was when the astronauts broke the camera (the first color camera to be used) just as the moon walk started, causing there to be little-to-no video of that part of the mission.

And if anyone wants to try searching the music out, I found a possibly helpful website called Flying Dreams. This page is a mini-episode guide that pays attention to the musical score, including listing who wrote it.

Jeanne


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4. "RE: Music Cues in UF"
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   >I would (almost) kill for a complete soundtrack for that miniseries.
>As I noted earlier, too bad HBO didn't do one.

I've found (and own!) two limited-release scores from the series, one for Mark Mancina's score of episode two ("Apollo 1") and one from James Newton Howard's score for episode six ("Mare Tranquilatis"). So far I haven't found any of the Kamen scores or rest of the Daring - but if they exist, I will.

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