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26. "RE: Disagreement in Principle"
In response to message #10
 
   >
>>MERCUTIO: The difference between DJ and Shinji is that the latter is a
>>protagonist and the former is a hero-
>
>I'm relatively certain that I, in fact, said those precise words at at
>least one point.
>
>Not sure what it says about me and my conversatin' style that Traitor
>could intuit it so precisely. I choose to not think about this and
>instead drink more cider.
>
>-Merc
>Keep Rat

*makes a note to get Merc more cider, check on the homebrew partner*

There was a canard a few years back that if you genderswapped the cast, everyone would fit all too well. Boy!Asuka would be the fiery, high-spirited, drill-will-pierce-the-heavens test pilot, Rei would be the laconic loner, and Shinji would, of course, be The Chick, and the romantic interest the two were fighting over.

Then last week I was reading an essay on gender roles in fiction and why male authors write female characters (and, in specific case, why some authors write genderbent SIs, this being a SpaceBattles.com debate at the particular moment). And there was a lot of talk about how girls were 'allowed' to show emotional weakness and guys weren't.

I'm wondering if this is the heart of why Shinji - whose actions are very believable and in-character, even if we may find them disappointing - gets so much abuse and dislike from the fanbase. (Actually, no, I'm not wondering, I'm pretty darn certain of it.)

Note for example that Asuka -does- go through a similar (and more rapid, and more severe) emotional collapse herself, and nobody holds it against her: she's a girl, it's expected, it's -allowed-. Shinji? To quote Misato; "You're a boy, aren't you?"

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Croaker
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"When in doubt, shoot something. Preferably the enemy."


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 Disagreement in Principle [View All] Gryphonadmin Dec-29-13 TOP
   RE: Disagreement in Principle Mercutio Dec-29-13 1
      RE: Disagreement in Principle Gryphonadmin Dec-29-13 2
          RE: Disagreement in Principle The Traitor Dec-29-13 3
              RE: Disagreement in Principle Gryphonadmin Dec-29-13 4
                  RE: Disagreement in Principle The Traitor Dec-30-13 5
                      RE: Disagreement in Principle MuninsFire Dec-30-13 6
                          RE: Disagreement in Principle Offsides Dec-30-13 7
                          RE: Disagreement in Principle Mercutio Jan-01-14 11
                              RE: Disagreement in Principle Nathan Jan-01-14 12
                              RE: Disagreement in Principle Gryphonadmin Jan-01-14 14
                              RE: Disagreement in Principle MuninsFire Jan-01-14 18
                                  RE: Disagreement in Principle Nova Floresca Jan-01-14 19
                                      RE: Disagreement in Principle MuninsFire Jan-01-14 20
                                          RE: Disagreement in Principle Gryphonadmin Jan-02-14 21
                                          RE: Disagreement in Principle The Traitor Jan-02-14 22
                                              RE: Disagreement in Principle MuninsFire Jan-02-14 23
                                              RE: Disagreement in Principle The Traitor Jan-02-14 24
                                              RE: Disagreement in Principle twipper Jan-02-14 25
                                              RE: Disagreement in Principle Mephronmoderator Jun-03-14 36
                          RE: Disagreement in Principle twipper Jan-01-14 17
                          RE: Disagreement in Principle dstar Jan-13-14 34
                              RE: Disagreement in Principle Meagen Jan-14-14 35
              RE: Disagreement in Principle Meridias Dec-31-13 9
              RE: Disagreement in Principle Mercutio Jan-01-14 10
                  RE: Disagreement in Principle Gryphonadmin Jan-01-14 13
                  RE: Disagreement in Principle Peter Eng Jan-01-14 15
                      RE: Disagreement in Principle The Traitor Jan-01-14 16
                 RE: Disagreement in Principle Croaker Jan-06-14 26
          RE: Disagreement in Principle Mephronmoderator Dec-31-13 8
      RE: Disagreement in Principle BLUE Jan-09-14 27
          RE: Disagreement in Principle Offsides Jan-10-14 28
              RE: Disagreement in Principle MuninsFire Jan-10-14 29
                  RE: Disagreement in Principle Gryphonadmin Jan-10-14 30
                      RE: Disagreement in Principle The Traitor Jan-10-14 31
                          RE: Disagreement in Principle BeardedFerret Jan-12-14 32
                              RE: Disagreement in Principle DaPatman89 Jan-12-14 33


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