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"Academic Milestones Dep't"
 
   This is not the usual sort of project that gets posted here, but now that the grade for it is in and the process complete, I thought maybe a few of you might be interested in the reason why I haven't been doing as much of the usual sort of thing for the last couple of months.

Here is my senior thesis in history, "An Instinct for the Regrettable": The Inventions and Legacy of Thomas Midgley, Jr. - which just received an A and some very kind remarks from Prof. Segal, the faculty member who conducted the senior seminar section I was in this past semester. It's a tale of good intentions and unanticipated consequences, in which one man played an improbable key role in two of the most infamous environmental mistakes made by 20th-century industrial chemistry.

This paper marks the last of the requirements for my Bachelor of Arts in History from the University of Maine. Because I'm still working on the courses for my minor in graphic design (which I may or may not be able to complete in the spring semester, but since I've missed December graduation, I may as well attempt it), I won't actually graduate until May, but I have now accumulated all the credits necessary to do so, and have no further undergraduate work to do in the area of my major.

This spring, in addition to the above, I'll be taking a graduate-level course with the same professor, and have been assured by the head of the University's Graduate School that, should I be accepted as an MA candidate next fall, I'll be given retroactive graduate credit for it. I'll also need to take the Graduate Record Exam sometime in the spring, gather up letters of recommendation, and all that jazz to facilitate the graduate admissions application, and so on.

Right now, though, I've got 16 days to kick back, unwind, re-shelve the books I used for the above project, and see about getting some proper creativity done before all that starts.

I don't expect "An Instinct for the Regrettable" to be everybody's cup of tea, but some of you may enjoy it. I've been told my academic work is pretty readable.

(If anyone is really interested in that kind of stuff, I have other, shorter papers from previous semesters kicking around. I don't think I've already posted any of my term papers from the other 400-level history courses I've taken, though I could have forgotten. The ones on Johannes Kepler and the Canadian government's 1970s social engineering experiment, Project Surname, might interest a few folks.)

--G.
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  RE: Academic Milestones Dep't Vorticity Dec-26-14 1
     RE: Academic Milestones Dep't Gryphonadmin Dec-26-14 2
  RE: Academic Milestones Dep't StClair Dec-30-14 3
  RE: Academic Milestones Dep't SpottedKitty Dec-30-14 4
  RE: Academic Milestones Dep't Peter Eng Dec-30-14 5
     RE: Academic Milestones Dep't Gryphonadmin Dec-30-14 6
         RE: Academic Milestones Dep't Peter Eng Dec-31-14 11
  RE: Academic Milestones Dep't JeanneHedge Dec-30-14 7
     RE: Academic Milestones Dep't Gryphonadmin Dec-30-14 8
         RE: Academic Milestones Dep't JeanneHedge Dec-31-14 9
             RE: Academic Milestones Dep't Gryphonadmin Dec-31-14 10
  RE: Academic Milestones Dep't Sofaspud Jan-07-15 12
     RE: Academic Milestones Dep't Peter Eng Jan-08-15 13

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Vorticity
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1. "RE: Academic Milestones Dep't"
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   > An Instinct for the Regrettable
Oh, *that* guy.

>I don't expect "An Instinct for the Regrettable" to be everybody's cup of tea,
>but some of you may enjoy it. I've been told my academic work is pretty readable.

Oh, it's certainly readable, and not really any harder to understand than a typical science magazine article. Of course it might be a little bit easier for me because have two terms of Atmospheric Chemistry courses.

In the case of chlorofluorocarbons, I probably would have brought up a couple more points. The first is that safe refrigeration has saved thousands if not millions of lives, both in preventing starvation and in transport of vaccines and drugs safely into the tropics. That alone outweighs most of the damage caused by increased UV exposure -- and we were lucky enough to have cooperation from the chemical companies for the replacement.

What bothers me about Midgley as an environmental scientist, is that it doesn't ever seem to have thought about the end fate of the products he made. And is that simply a product of being a man of his time? Modernist culture sure talked a lot about changing the whole world for the better -- was it without ever really considering that the world wasn't so big that it couldn't be changed by accident? Or did he have that imagination, but it was just covered by showmanship and profiteering?

Also fluorides are known to be fairly stable, like the calcium fluoride in your tooth enamel.

Anyway, your paper was a good read for me, thanks for sharing. 💯

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2. "RE: Academic Milestones Dep't"
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   >In the case of chlorofluorocarbons, I probably would have brought up a
>couple more points. The first is that safe refrigeration has saved
>thousands if not millions of lives, both in preventing starvation and
>in transport of vaccines and drugs safely into the tropics. That
>alone outweighs most of the damage caused by increased UV exposure --
>and we were lucky enough to have cooperation from the chemical
>companies for the replacement.

This is so, and crossed my mind at some point during the process, but I seem to have... er... forgotten to include it in the final text. :/

>What bothers me about Midgley as an environmental scientist, is that
>it doesn't ever seem to have thought about the end fate of the
>products he made. And is that simply a product of being a man of his
>time? Modernist culture sure talked a lot about changing the whole
>world for the better -- was it without ever really considering that
>the world wasn't so big that it couldn't be changed by accident?

I believe that was in fact the case, for the most part. It's hard to picture it from our own modern perspective, but in Midgley's day, I think most chemists assumed the world was too big for the efforts of humans to have any really significant effect on it, at least on a global scale. A factory or mine might make the immediate area around it unpleasant, but surely such effects were only local.

I mean, the story of CFCs' downfall is a prime example of the kind of thing that changed that view, first by showing that they persisted in enormous quantities in the atmosphere when most people assumed they would just disperse and decay, and then by showing that when they did finally decay Really Bad Things happened. And that was 30 years after Midgley's death. In his day no one would have believed either thing could even happen.

For that matter, even the people who thought TEL was dangerous in the '30s assumed it would be a problem at the point of manufacture and maybe the point of use, not contaminate the entire atmosphere for generations.

--G.
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3. "RE: Academic Milestones Dep't"
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   Entertaining and informative, as I've come to expect. Thanks for posting it.


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4. "RE: Academic Milestones Dep't"
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   I enjoyed it, too. I already knew the broad strokes of the story of those two chemicals, but there were a lot of fascinating details in here I'd never come across before.

I like reading science and history-of-science articles anyway; in fact, I think I still have my old collections of Asimov's F&SF columns tucked away in a box in the attic.

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Unable to save the day: File is read-only.


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Peter Eng
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5. "RE: Academic Milestones Dep't"
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   >
>I don't expect "An Instinct for the Regrettable" to be
>everybody's cup of tea, but some of you may enjoy it. I've been told
>my academic work is pretty readable.
>

Also, the sun is pretty warm.

This is an excellent piece of work, and I think it would be readable regardless of a person's experience. Some people might choose not to read it because they weren't interested in the subject, but I don't think anybody would have trouble understanding what they were reading.

If you don't mind, I'd like to post a link to this.

Peter Eng
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6. "RE: Academic Milestones Dep't"
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   >If you don't mind, I'd like to post a link to this.

Sure, I guess that's cool. Post it where, out of curiosity?

I've been toying with the idea of submitting it to The Historian (the journal of Phi Alpha Theta, the international history honor society, of which I'm a member), but their submission rules say that they won't consider anything that's been published before; it doesn't say anything about people having seen it online.

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Peter Eng
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11. "RE: Academic Milestones Dep't"
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   >>If you don't mind, I'd like to post a link to this.
>
>Sure, I guess that's cool. Post it where, out of curiosity?
>

Well, I was going to put on Facebook, but...

>
>I've been toying with the idea of submitting it to The
>Historian
(the journal of Phi Alpha Theta, the international
>history honor society, of which I'm a member), but their submission
>rules say that they won't consider anything that's been published
>before; it doesn't say anything about people having seen it online.
>

...I'd rather wait for clarification on this, because if you can get this published in a more professional outlet first, I support that wholeheartedly.

Peter Eng
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7. "RE: Academic Milestones Dep't"
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   Congratulations on attaining your BA (even if you're not getting the "sheepskin" until Spring). Is it my imagination, or did this take less than the standard 4 years?


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Gryphonadmin
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8. "RE: Academic Milestones Dep't"
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   LAST EDITED ON Dec-30-14 AT 11:45 PM (EST)
 
>Congratulations on attaining your BA (even if you're not getting the
>"sheepskin" until Spring). Is it my imagination, or did this take less
>than the standard 4 years?

Imagination bordering on hallucination, my freshman year was 1993-94. :)

(And that's my freshman year as a history major at UMaine. My first freshman year in college was 1991-92 at WPI, but they didn't offer a history degree back then; I was a computer science major. A really bad computer science major.)

No, in all seriousness, the semester that just ended was my ninth since returning as a full-time student for Fall 2010, but I spent the first year majoring in things other than history, and was still maintaining a double major (and so taking classes in other areas) until this fall, so depending on how you slice it, the answer could be yes or no.

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9. "RE: Academic Milestones Dep't"
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   And of course, you had the big medical excursion in that 2010-14 zone too. But however long it took - 5 years or 21 years, congratulations still stand :)


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10. "RE: Academic Milestones Dep't"
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   >And of course, you had the big medical excursion in that 2010-14 zone
>too.

Weirdly enough, that didn't cost me much academic time; it happened during the summer of 2012, and by the time the school year started I was... not quite recovered enough to go back, but I did anyway. I've taken a handful of 3/4-time semesters since then, which has also stretched things out a little, but never completely missed one.

>But however long it took - 5 years or 21 years, congratulations
>still stand :)

Thank you.

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12. "RE: Academic Milestones Dep't"
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   I don't have the chops (chemically, historically, or grammatically) to criticize this piece, but I can offer my opinion:

This was a helluva lot of fun to read!

I'm not sure why, exactly, but it reminds me of this piece by Max Gergel. Less exhaustive (and to me, bordering on incomprehensible) detail, more simplified -- but similar in feel, somehow.

It's funny, given what forum we're on and all, but I think I enjoy your non-fanfiction-related writing as much, if not more. Which is not to say I dislike the fanfic, but I'm having a hard time expressing myself here.

The best shorthand I can think of is, I like Gryph's Story Time a helluva lot, and would like to see more. (I think I even said something similar back in the days when Off The Top Of My Head was just out.)

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13. "RE: Academic Milestones Dep't"
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   >
>It's funny, given what forum we're on and all, but I think I enjoy
>your non-fanfiction-related writing as much, if not more. Which is
>not to say I dislike the fanfic, but I'm having a hard time expressing
>myself here.
>

Here, have a metaphor.

Sofaspud on EPU fanfic: "These are really good waffles."
Sofaspud on Gryphon's non-fanfic writing: "These are really good waffles with my favorite waffle topping."

Peter Eng
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